does anyone know the ranking of medicine programs in new york.
there are a lot to choose from but i dont want to make a mistake and apply to the program that is not so good.

so in short ranking ny 5 boroughs medicine programs. any clue?

i am surprised that nobody so far has an answer for this question?

how do i find out which tier programs belong to.

thanks

I think that people aren't responding because there have already been a few recent threads about this topic. Check out these links:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=89974
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85027

thanks i appreciate it.

I have read those threads but i dont think i have seen anyone give information on which tier programs belong to.
besides as far as i have seen only handful of schools were rated in new york. (is that the hint that we have only 5 or 6 good programs in ny.)

Originally posted by adalbertp
thanks i appreciate it.

I have read those threads but i dont think i have seen anyone give information on which tier programs belong to.
besides as far as i have seen only handful of schools were rated in new york. (is that the hint that we have only 5 or 6 good programs in ny.)

It depends on how you tier things... I think that you'll find that columbia is in a top tier (probably among top 10 programs). Cornell would be in the next tier down. Somewhere lower would be NYU, Sinai and Montefiore. Another step down in the list might be North Shore in LI. Then further down would be LIJ in LI/Queens. THen there is St. Vincents (teaching hospital for NYMC), Lennox Hill which are more community-based. I am not sure where St. Lukes-Roosevelt, Jacobi, NYU Downtown, Beth Israel, etc... fall in relation to each other.

The reason why it is hard to put things into tiers with other programs in the country is that NYC is in a class of its own. This also does not in anyway reflect each programs overall desirability. Each program has its pluses and minuses. While they are in or around NYC,each is in a different neighborhood. They also have different populations, with different percentages of private and service patients. ie: the rank is in the eye of the beholder.

Originally posted by lurkerboy
It depends on how you tier things... I think that you'll find that columbia is in a top tier (probably among top 10 programs). Cornell would be in the next tier down. Somewhere lower would be NYU, Sinai and Montefiore. Another step down in the list might be North Shore in LI. Then further down would be LIJ in LI/Queens. THen there is St. Vincents (teaching hospital for NYMC), Lennox Hill which are more community-based. I am not sure where St. Lukes-Roosevelt, Jacobi, NYU Downtown, Beth Israel, etc... fall in relation to each other.

The reason why it is hard to put things into tiers with other programs in the country is that NYC is in a class of its own. This also does not in anyway reflect each programs overall desirability. Each program has its pluses and minuses. While they are in or around NYC,each is in a different neighborhood. They also have different populations, with different percentages of private and service patients. ie: the rank is in the eye of the beholder.


thanks a lot for the info that was quite informative.
you said something about depends how you tier programs? How did you tier these programs. According to what criteria.
Was it objective or was it subjective.

thanks

Originally posted by adalbertp
thanks a lot for the info that was quite informative.
you said something about depends how you tier programs? How did you tier these programs. According to what criteria.
Was it objective or was it subjective.

thanks

What I meant was I don't know what you mean by "tier" how many programs are in a "tier"? This is based on overall reputation from what I've seen/heard on the 'trail.

Mount sinai was mentioned in top 10 for NY
which program is it? Since on scut work there are quite a few.

Look at the titles closely... "Mount Sinai School of Medicine Program" is in there.

Don't get confused by all of the affiliated programs. I met several people who applied to all of the wrong programs because they didn't read where they were actually applying to. Eg: Mt Sinai (Elmhurst) is separate from "Mt Sinai" and NYU Downtown is not the same as the NYU program.

Agree about the confusion..NYU Downtown is a small community hospital that often does not match all its medicine spots,it's affiliation with NYU is more in name.I heard it is not used for med student teaching much.It is not to be confused with the the actual NYU program.

Word on the street is that they are going to rename the hospital again (back to Beekman Downtown, perhaps) due to the lack of significant affiliation.

There was much discussion about Albert Einstein programs.
Such as Montefiore and Jacobi. I think it was mentioned that Monte residents wokr quite hard and get decent fellowships in the end.Where does Beth israel stand between the two. I am not sure if i heard much about it.

Monte is the AECOM Hospital while Jacobi and BI are only affiliates. Beth Israel is measurably below Monte and probably Jacobi too. The only plus is that its near the village.

um not quite...Jacobi is right next to AECOM. Its not really an affiliate...like Beth Is...Its the other primary teaching hospital of Albert Einstein.

furthermore, putting LIJ below North Shore is quite a stretch...They definately have a different feel. Definately it seemed that more DOs were at North Shore. Not like that means much. But they both do similarily in terms of fellowship...perhaps LIJ is slightly better for some areas...

where does new york methodist hosp figure among the programs in new york?

NY Methodist is a nice private hospital in nice neighborhood in Brooklyn.It is nowhere near most of the the Manhattan hospitals in terms of prestige.It has an affiliation with Cornell but again this is more of a very limited type of connection.Outside of the EM residency there are few US grads.It might be a perfectly good place but has no real "name. Its not a stretch to put LIJ below North Shore regardless of the presence DOs (there are IMGs and DOs at LIJ also) North Shore has in the past been far more prestigious-It had a significant Cornell affiliation.Nowadays I would say there is little difference between the two.

again to be accurate...northshore may have had an allegiance to cornell in the PAST...but it does not feign any relationship with them now...they say that their affiliate institution is NYU.

while northshore has some years with almost 1/3 DO, LIJ does not. there were 2-3 img/class at LIJ, 1-2 do...this is based purely on the last 3 years data, which they gave us at the interview...
again, i don't think this has bearing on a programs strength. yet there's no reason to cover it up either...

my point is again, they are for the most part equal..for most areas eg cards, gi...but if you are thinking hemeonc, i would stay away from northshore...their placement seems a bit sketch..

Bronx-Lebanon seems like an awesome inner-city place to do medicine. Do the residents at Monte get as good training as Bronx-Lebanon? How are the fellowship opportunities at Monte? I heard Monte didn't do too hot in GI fellowships last year, something like 2/8. Can anyone give me some decent insight into these 2 programs?

The fellowship placement pretty much follows the ranks we've discussed earlier so I doubt Bronx-Lebanon does better than Monte in anything. The only exceptions occur at places like St. Vincents where they take a lot of their own residents for fellowships.

I know most of rankings that have been going on in ny are those in nyc. The question is how is Maymonides Hospital and does it even come close to all the other programs in the city that were mentioned previously ex. nyu, mount sinai, aecom, st roosev.
also what is their candidacy for cardio fellowships.

thanks

Maimonidies is in brooklyn. It would fall below Sinai/NYU/AECOM-Monte. It is probably one of the better Brooklyn hospitals.

If my preference is Montef. program of Albert Einst.
would it make sense to do a cards rotation at Beth israel knowing that beth israel is not as good as monte but the plus side is that i am in contact with the head of the cards there who seems to be very nice and quite helpful.

any ideas

Unless the cards guy there works at Monte too I doubt it will help you get many brownie points anywhere but Beth Israel.

Because Monte is the central hospital of the AECOM system, the reverse might be true.

actually he is or was an attending at Columbia until half a year ago.