Here's my thoughts.

Since we seem to have some regular WSU SOM posters on here I thought about making a thread where we could discuss classes, bash prof's, and generally let off steam...without a title on the thread that leads everyone to believe that WSU sucks.

What do ya'll think? Well I know what I think...

So let the debate/ranting/questions begin!

Nice idea... sorry about the title of the last one. It was a bad exam... :laugh:

Nice idea... sorry about the title of the last one. It was a bad exam... :laugh:


Hey I totally agree with the crappy exam! Hmm. Today I'm gonna try to stay home instead of going to biochem and see how it works.

Hey I totally agree with the crappy exam! Hmm. Today I'm gonna try to stay home instead of going to biochem and see how it works.

I'm totally with you on that idea. Akins basically sucks as a lecturer, so I'm just going by his notes. What's up with Gatti? Does he remind anyone else of the Count from Sesame Street?

At least physio isn't bad this time around....

I'm totally with you on that idea. Akins basically sucks as a lecturer, so I'm just going by his notes. What's up with Gatti? Does he remind anyone else of the Count from Sesame Street?

At least physio isn't bad this time around....

Dammit, I was perfectly content not to listen to Gatti's lectures, but now I'm all curious. Remember the anatomy lecturer that sounded like Kermit?

Dammit, I was perfectly content not to listen to Gatti's lectures, but now I'm all curious. Remember the anatomy lecturer that sounded like Kermit?

Nope. Must've skipped that day! :p

I'm totally with you on that idea. Akins basically sucks as a lecturer, so I'm just going by his notes. What's up with Gatti? Does he remind anyone else of the Count from Sesame Street?

At least physio isn't bad this time around....


Yes I think he sounds like the Count. Did you know he's married to Ackerman??!?!?!?!! I feel bad for their little girl, could you imagine? Instead of cute little toys as a child she must have had molecular models!

On the Akins note: I printed off all of his summaries and am going to go by them and the practice q's he gives at the ends of his lectures.

Yes I think he sounds like the Count. Did you know he's married to Ackerman??!?!?!?!! I feel bad for their little girl, could you imagine? Instead of cute little toys as a child she must have had molecular models!

On the Akins note: I printed off all of his summaries and am going to go by them and the practice q's he gives at the ends of his lectures.

Have you looked at his conference Q&A's on blackboard? I think they're going to be really helpful with studying as well. They seem to highlight the mosre important questions and lecture slides...

The "rumor" from the second years is that this exam is not that hard. Gatti said the same in one of the lectures. In fact, he said don't worry about a lot of his conference questions, because they are much harder than anything on the exam. Of course I'm not suggesting to study less, but it helps ease the nerves. Always prepare for the worst...

Two more weeks to go. I feel week, and I am behind with akins stuff and reproduction. What the hell is my problem.
Anyways, it's nice to know that no one's showing up to class anymore. I was listening to mitchel's lecture the other day and it seemed that only a couple of people actually showed up. But the bad news is that there is this rumor that bruce might stop video taping the lectures in the future because of the low attendance. Bruce is going to betray us, that bastard!

I don't think that Bruce can arbitrarily decide to not tape the lectures. Point being that what if someone is out of town or actually sick and can't come to lecture. Another point of taping the lectures is to give us a way to review material we might have missed during class...like we can't write as fast as Brusilow made up material...so they can't just decide not to tape the lectures because of low attendance.

If you guys are on biochem exam #2 you had better study. I don't think they made that beast any easier since I took it.

I know, I was just kidding about bruce. He seems like a nice guy who will ace every basic science exam if he is in med school. Plus the rumor is that the dean is pissed off, and not bruce, about the low attendance. And that they will stop video taping next year and not this year. But I bet you will still be able to get the audio, which might be good enough.
Bruce should work on the audio thing not fading away with the video. There is nothing worse then hearing :"ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW IS THAt the protein ....... (no audio for 10 minutes) DON'T WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE", I mean why does he pick the more important stuff to not have audio with it.
Oh yeah, and don't you love it when professors say hence, thereaftor, and exquisite in the same sentence. Man, what am I doing in med school?
Ba Humbug, I am just a disgruntled guy.

If you guys are on biochem exam #2 you had better study. I don't think they made that beast any easier since I took it.


Biochem #3. Any tips???

http://www.msu.edu/~boneadam/churchsign.jpg

Lol! :laugh:

You're right...it is an adventure! ;)

Biochem #3. Any tips???

Always know the last page of every lecture. They invariably craft questions from that info. Other than that, best to probe the profs directly (and discretely).

Always know the last page of every lecture. They invariably craft questions from that info. Other than that, best to probe the profs directly (and discretely).

Is it true that the 3rd exam is easier? I've heard rumors that exam 3 in both biochem and physio are the easiest exams of the year. Even some of our profs have said they will not be hard. Is there any truth to this, or are people just trying to screw us?

Is it true that the 3rd exam is easier? I've heard rumors that exam 3 in both biochem and physio are the easiest exams of the year. Even some of our profs have said they will not be hard. Is there any truth to this, or are people just trying to screw us?

Understand it was 3 years ago that I took the exam. What I remember is that the exams became increasingly more difficult. Exam 1 should have been relatively easy with a high average (some questions from Mitchell, woman with the thick-rimmed glasses). Then Exam 2 more difficult. Maybe they have changed things, but "they" try to weed out people so I am sure the exam will be more difficult.

Also, beware of the 2nd years. I remember our 2nd years gave us information that was totally false. It's kind of like a rite of passage or something. Always screw the underclassmen.

Also, beware of the 2nd years. I remember our 2nd years gave us information that was totally false. It's kind of like a rite of passage or something. Always screw the underclassmen.

I definitely think the 2nd years try to screw us. They told us not to study too hard for a certain anatomy exam (I believe it was the third one) and we all listened. It ended up being the exam with one of the lowest class averages. They also told us year one gets easier after anatomy. Boy, was that a whopper! I think biochem is much harder then anatomy was.... at least memorizing bones, muscles, nerves was somewhat relevant to practice.

I definitely think the 2nd years try to screw us. They told us not to study too hard for a certain anatomy exam (I believe it was the third one) and we all listened. It ended up being the exam with one of the lowest class averages. They also told us year one gets easier after anatomy. Boy, was that a whopper! I think biochem is much harder then anatomy was.... at least memorizing bones, muscles, nerves was somewhat relevant to practice.


Maybe you guys are just not as smart as the MSII's??? Ever think of that???

No I am just kidding, then again?!?

Maybe you guys are just not as smart as the MSII's??? Ever think of that???

No I am just kidding, then again?!?

That's not very nice. The admin makes the exams harder every year. They are aware that there is always a group of students who will memorize the test questions and reconstruct the exam. Why do they do this? For their younger brother and sisters in the class below them. If you are not hooked up with an older sibling or sig other in the class above you, you are at a significant disadvantage.

Maybe you guys are just not as smart as the MSII's??? Ever think of that???

No I am just kidding, then again?!?


Go away troll.

I definitely think the 2nd years try to screw us. They told us not to study too hard for a certain anatomy exam (I believe it was the third one) and we all listened. It ended up being the exam with one of the lowest class averages. They also told us year one gets easier after anatomy. Boy, was that a whopper! I think biochem is much harder then anatomy was.... at least memorizing bones, muscles, nerves was somewhat relevant to practice.

I think that, partially, it is a problem of averages. This year's MSII were a very smart MSI group...they had high averages compared to many of the years prior. I remember this being said by a couple of prof's in Anat/Histo block. So then the prof's decide to make some of the tests harder for us because the MSII's set a standard. And our class still gets really high averages on most of the tests. There have been people getting 96-100% on each and every test.

In talking with our class advisor if they were to post a bell curve for each of the tests, with the possible exception of clin med, our class would not have a traditional bell curve, we are actually bi-modal. There is a large group that is getting really high scores (95%-ish) and another group who hits at the 70%-ish mark...meaning most of our class averages hit in the 80's while not that many people actually get those scores.

I think that, partially, it is a problem of averages. This year's MSII were a very smart MSI group...they had high averages compared to many of the years prior. I remember this being said by a couple of prof's in Anat/Histo block. So then the prof's decide to make some of the tests harder for us because the MSII's set a standard. And our class still gets really high averages on most of the tests. There have been people getting 96-100% on each and every test.

In talking with our class advisor if they were to post a bell curve for each of the tests, with the possible exception of clin med, our class would not have a traditional bell curve, we are actually bi-modal. There is a large group that is getting really high scores (95%-ish) and another group who hits at the 70%-ish mark...meaning most of our class averages hit in the 80's while not that many people actually get those scores.

I'm definitely in the 70%ish group...

a week and a half to go
does anyone know if we have to worry about foa's lectures. I just took a look at it and it seems to be pointless. So I don't want to watch another 1/2 an hour of naked pictures, that are pointless by the way, if I don't need too

a week and a half to go
does anyone know if we have to worry about foa's lectures. I just took a look at it and it seems to be pointless. So I don't want to watch another 1/2 an hour of naked pictures, that are pointless by the way, if I don't need too

I went to his lectures and didn't see that he really covered anything we didn't already know. He did make a remark today about how one slide wouldn't be on his exam, so I think he will have questions on the exam. I wouldn't bother watching the lectures though....

Maybe you guys are just not as smart as the MSII's??? Ever think of that???

No I am just kidding, then again?!?
Not to say we are smarter... but... it seems to be common knowledge that we have the highest percentages of any class in recent history. Damn these people fcking up my Z-score, haha.

Is anyone else pissed about class being moved up to 7am on Friday? I am very sad about the death of Dr. Hazlett (especially because he was the one who interviewed me), but I don't see why class should be moved up that early. They could either cancel the class or reschedule for Friday afternoon or Tuesday.

Basically I hate getting up that early and I know attendance has been low lately anways... is anyone going to show up for the early lecture? If I do go, I will not have showered and be in my PJ's...

Had Dr. Hazlett been sick recently? His death was really a shocker!

Katrina...I do think that they could have rescheduled for a better time than 7:00 in the morning. I won't be there, even if I didn't shower and was in Pj's I would still have to get up at 6:30. It is just not going to happen for me.

MD'05: No. That is why it is so surprising. He just passed away in his sleep. Dr. Linda tried to wake him up for an early meeting and that is when she realized that he was dead. He had passed away in the night and it was peaceful.

Is anyone else pissed about class being moved up to 7am on Friday? I am very sad about the death of Dr. Hazlett (especially because he was the one who interviewed me), but I don't see why class should be moved up that early. They could either cancel the class or reschedule for Friday afternoon or Tuesday.

Basically I hate getting up that early and I know attendance has been low lately anways... is anyone going to show up for the early lecture? If I do go, I will not have showered and be in my PJ's...


I don't think it will be a big deal for people who don't go to class anyway, they will have the tapes of the lectures, and I think if people really want to go to lecture and attend for funeral in support of his family and the great man that Dr. Hazlett was, I don't think one day of getting up early should be that big a deal....i am determined to go even though that means getting up at 5 am.....

My brain is broken. Can't study for these stupid exams. Will use all of break to get drunk.

My brain is broken. Can't study for these stupid exams. Will use all of break to get drunk.

I hear that.

I hear that.

I'm starting right after the physio exam on Thurs. My fiance and some pals of his are going to a hick bar in Lansing where they have a mechanical bull...

I feel so pumped up that I am gonig to fail this thing after tommorrow

I feel so pumped up that I am gonig to fail this thing after tommorrow

No your not... A whole week!!! I have been dreaming of this since christmas break. Physio and biochem done!!! then we have 2 months left!!! Can you believe it? :eek: :D

No your not... A whole week!!! I have been dreaming of this since christmas break. Physio and biochem done!!! then we have 2 months left!!! Can you believe it? :eek: :D

I have a sneaking suspicion that the worst has yet to come with neuro. But screw that for now, just have to get through these transcription factors... then its on to embarassing myself via public drunkeness.

a week will be nice. I guess that's something I could look forward too.
I am going to get out of scott hall, I think what's stressing me out the most are those pathways on the boards that kids in our class keep on drawing in the MD labs. And it will be nice if one person I met so far said, yeah I am kind of behind ........., it just seems everyone is so prepared for this one.
Well I guess I could always study in shiffman or maybe ann arbor

a week will be nice. I guess that's something I could look forward too.
I am going to get out of scott hall, I think what's stressing me out the most are those pathways on the boards that kids in our class keep on drawing in the MD labs. And it will be nice if one person I met so far said, yeah I am kind of behind ........., it just seems everyone is so prepared for this one.
Well I guess I could always study in shiffman or maybe ann arbor

I don't know who you talk to, but it seems like everyone I know is behind, especially with all the Akins crap in biochem. I'm just basically studying his summaries now and saying "screw it" to all the other stuff...

Is anyone as uninterested in physio as me this time around? At first I liked it, but now it just seems so monotonous... too many damn hormones floating around.

yeah, I personally think foa's notes suck. they are all over the place and make no sense. How can cortisol first be pro and then anti-insulin .......
I just want this thing over with. It's nice to know that I am not the only one out there who is kind of behind. You actually made me feel a little better. so thanks.

Shangel,....whatever!!!! Aren't you a phD in molecular bio. I know that you are doing your dissertation on "cortisol malfunction in the diabetic vs. non diabetic age related, type 2 diabetes patient". You should be teaching us this stuff!!!!

I guess I should stop complaining then. I forgot that most of you kids in our class didn't have this before, so I guess I am at an advantage of having everything as a review during the first two years of med school. It will suck though if I start getting below 600s on the next two exams.

Wow ....Shangel, it is a good thing we have modest people like you in our class.

I am sorry, I didn't mean to come across like that. I guess it's my competitive nature I guess. Plus it won't look good if a med student straight off from undergrad did better then ME, someone who has a doctorate for god sake. I mean we all know that PhD's teach MDs

I am sorry, I didn't mean to come across like that. I guess it's my competitive nature I guess. Plus it won't look good if a med student straight off from undergrad did better then ME, someone who has a doctorate for god sake. I mean we all know that PhD's teach MDs

What are you doing?

I am just trying to psych out FU/dUMP for lying about me having a PhD. I wish I had one, maybe then I won't be stressed out

I am just trying to psych out FU/dUMP for lying about me having a PhD. I wish I had one, maybe then I won't be stressed out

K, I thought that I detected sarcasm. Just checking...

Hello everyone from Wayne,

Yesterday I received notification that I have been accepted to Wayne State! I am extremely excited, because Wayne is definately my top choice school.

I actually just wanted to thank all of you guys for making me feel do welcome during my two visits to campus. I had an awesome tour guide when I intereviewed, and and on my second visit I met some really nice second years in the class that I sat in on... Oh and your second year pathology instructor, the guy with the pony-tail, he is an AMAZING lecturer. So anyway, thank you to everyone who is freindly to the prospective students!

Also, I was wondering where everyone lives... I was thinking of maybe living in the new dorms. This would be a good choice for me because my husband will have to stay in Grand Rapids :( and I don't want to have to worry about having 2 seperate households/apartments... Does anyone have any opinions about living on campus? Have you heard about these new dorms?

Thank you all again,
Soleil

I have a sneaking suspicion that the worst has yet to come with neuro. But screw that for now, just have to get through these transcription factors... then its on to embarassing myself via public drunkeness.

Do NOT hit the wall for Neuro. Dig deep, and get through it. Our class had 20-something people fail Neuro, probably because they were so sick of first year and it was springtime.

I came within two questions of failing neuro...but partly because I went to a bachelor party in Las Vegas the weekend before the final. If I hadn't honored Exam #1..... :laugh:

Ruffels (sp?) had a good lab. Get there early, tho', if he's still teaching it.

Do NOT hit the wall for Neuro. Dig deep, and get through it. Our class had 20-something people fail Neuro, probably because they were so sick of first year and it was springtime.

I came within two questions of failing neuro...but partly because I went to a bachelor party in Las Vegas the weekend before the final. If I hadn't honored Exam #1..... :laugh:

Ruffels (sp?) had a good lab. Get there early, tho', if he's still teaching it.

Are there any good books we should get for neuro or just use the notes? Are Raffols' notes for neuro as bad as they were for anatomy?

Does anyone know who's going to replace Dr. Hazlett for neuro?

Hello everyone from Wayne,

Yesterday I received notification that I have been accepted to Wayne State! I am extremely excited, because Wayne is definately my top choice school.

I actually just wanted to thank all of you guys for making me feel do welcome during my two visits to campus. I had an awesome tour guide when I intereviewed, and and on my second visit I met some really nice second years in the class that I sat in on... Oh and your second year pathology instructor, the guy with the pony-tail, he is an AMAZING lecturer. So anyway, thank you to everyone who is freindly to the prospective students!

Also, I was wondering where everyone lives... I was thinking of maybe living in the new dorms. This would be a good choice for me because my husband will have to stay in Grand Rapids :( and I don't want to have to worry about having 2 seperate households/apartments... Does anyone have any opinions about living on campus? Have you heard about these new dorms?

Thank you all again,
Soleil

Congratulations! Wayne is a pretty damn good school, despite all of the bitching we do about it.

Those new dorms look pretty nice, but you might get sick of living around a bunch of undergrads... depends on what kind of person you are. A good majority of people live in the Royal Oak/Ferndale area because its relatively inexpensive and a short drive down Woodward Ave to school. Keep in mind that if you buy a parking pass (which is damn expensive) you are guaranteed parking right across the street from Scott Hall, so you don't need to worry about proximity. And hey, you might find out like I did that you don't like going to school, in which case you can go ahead and move back in with your fiancee in Grand Rapids. Good luck!

"And hey, you might find out like I did that you don't like going to school, in which case you can go ahead and move back in with your fiancee in Grand Rapids."

Flobber,

Looks like I am going to Wayne State as well. Could you elaborate on what you mentioned :D? My wife lives about 250 miles from Detroit and I plan to drive back there every weekend. I am wondering what's the schedule is like for first year. How late you have to be at the school? Particularly, on Friday afternoon and Monday morning :)

You only need to be in school during anatomy and histology, and not everyday. I think I would've done alot better in anatomy if I didn't show up to lab and just came in for one whole day during the weekend. And histology lab is once a week. So you really only have to be in school two days a week and that's just in the beggining. Once those two classes are over you can pretty much never show up to class again except for during exams and for clinical medicine.
I think the last time I was in jaffaar was a month ago, and that was after my last physio exam.
Good luck with med school and I recommend buying netters now, you won't regret pre-reading before school starts.

How late you have to be at the school? Particularly, on Friday afternoon and Monday morning :)

If you actually benefit from going to lectures, then you'll be in school from about 9am-12, break for lunch, and then lecture from 1-2ish, then anatomy lab from 2is-5ish. You can really do your dissections anytime, so a lot of people either don't come to lab during the posted time and come in on the weekends OR "speed dissect," finish early, and come in on an occasional weekend to review. I actually went to most of the lectures during the anatomy/histology unit. Now in biochem/physio, I probably went to class about 10% of the time.

The good thing is (for now anyways), they put our lectures up online. So you can watch them from the warm, coziness of your home. I find this very helpful for notetaking purposes, because the damn profs talk too fast... my pencil's usually on fire from the friction!!!

You only need to be in school during anatomy and histology, and not everyday. I think I would've done alot better in anatomy if I didn't show up to lab and just came in for one whole day during the weekend. And histology lab is once a week. So you really only have to be in school two days a week and that's just in the beggining. Once those two classes are over you can pretty much never show up to class again except for during exams and for clinical medicine.
I think the last time I was in jaffaar was a month ago, and that was after my last physio exam.
Good luck with med school and I recommend buying netters now, you won't regret pre-reading before school starts.

Agreed. Although, I think that its probably best if you start on the right foot and actually attend anatomy labs, as they are "required". Plus, its the only time to actually meet a lot of your classmates and profs. Other than that, though, all the lectures are available on video over the internet, so you could be a totally productive correspondant student. Histo lab was useless for me, so you might scratch that off too.

One thing you may not already know: all of the notes for every class are given to us in a gargantuan packet at the beginning of every class. 90-95% of the test material is out of those notes... the other 5-10% is unfair crap that you wouldn't have gotten from lecture anyways. Net result: I don't even bother watching lectures anymore, I just read and re-read the notes. Lecture is only productive for those that learn that way, of which there are a few. Figure out how you learn and don't feel obligated to attend/not attend based on others study habits. Good luck to you both!

"And hey, you might find out like I did that you don't like going to school, in which case you can go ahead and move back in with your fiancee in Grand Rapids."

Flobber,

Looks like I am going to Wayne State as well. Could you elaborate on what you mentioned :D? My wife lives about 250 miles from Detroit and I plan to drive back there every weekend. I am wondering what's the schedule is like for first year. How late you have to be at the school? Particularly, on Friday afternoon and Monday morning :)

Sorry, didn't see your final question there. For the first block, anyway, Friday afternoon probably means anatomy lab about half the time. Monday morning (all mornings) = histology lecture = joke = have fun with your wife.

That sounded dirtier than I meant it to.

Nice Flobber...

On restrospect I don't think I would have gone to as many of the histo lectures that I did. However if you can get in with a decent histo lab instructor then they go over everything from that particular week with the slides in about 2 hours. It is like getting a whole week of lecture boiled down. I went to Pourcho's lab alot (speedy, knowledgable, concise), Wheater is really good too (though her class is usually packed). They both give good info, but not a whole lot of extraneous material like some of the others.

Anatomy classes...hmmm, pre-read and then if you don't get it...go to class. I found that anatomy lab was the best part of that class, but I think I am in the minority. It was a great way for me to learn, but I am a big hands-on person, I dissected every day. I also found that the prof's that you may not like in class ***sneeze that sounds alot like Bagchi*** were excellent in lab. Get in good with the lab prof's, if they like you they will spend alot of time at your table helping you identify hard to find objects. Dr. Dawn (still don't know her last name) is good in lab and Dr. Ettinger is also fabulous. She is a big sports fan so if you know trivia esp. baseball she will like you and spend time at your table just digging in with you. Bagchi is great for head and neck!!! That bears repeating. Bagchi is great for head and neck. He is probably the only reason why I passed that test.

Physio...go to or listen to the lectures in the first section esp if you guys end up with Kish and Golden. Their notes are really bad and test you on what they say in class. Second unit: Rossi is very enthusiastic in a kind of grandma way, very cute. Didn't have to study for her material that much because I learned alot from her lectures. DiCarlo...he is a nut!!! Seriously a nut, but again, I didn't even really read his notes because he is so great in class. Also, be sure to get his Jeopardy questions from the end of his section...most of the questions are exactly the same even the answers, and the others questions will just be re-written but the same exact principle.

Biochem. It sucks. Brusilow teaches from what he says in class, so his notes are pretty much useless. Mitchell - Colonel Sanders in disguise - completely boring, just be sure you can answer his conference questions. Brooks, man of the never-ending pathways...read the notes don't memorize the pathways, even though pathways is all he does in class.

Ok, I've exhausted all of my recommendations for now. And I guess that most of this won't be relevant for another 8-12 months but I guess that there is a record and you can always look it back up here.

Nice Flobber...

Mitchell - Colonel Sanders in disguise - completely boring, just be sure you can answer his conference questions.

We both know that BROOKS is the true Colonel Sanders and Mitchell is just a sleepy Irishman. Let the truth be told!

I thought he was more like the drunken irishman

I thought he was more like the drunken irishman

*zing!* :laugh:

*zing!* :laugh:

I refuse to rag on that man; he writes the EASIEST exam questions ever and I shall forever love him.

Not that being a drunken Irishman is bad...

i totally agree

I don't know who you talk to, but it seems like everyone I know is behind, especially with all the Akins crap in biochem. I'm just basically studying his summaries now and saying "screw it" to all the other stuff...

Is anyone as uninterested in physio as me this time around? At first I liked it, but now it just seems so monotonous... too many damn hormones floating around.

I know what you mean... it is 7:30 and the summaries are looking good enough

We both know that BROOKS is the true Colonel Sanders and Mitchell is just a sleepy Irishman. Let the truth be told!


Brooks is to thin, but he does have the slight southern accent. Mitchell has the Colonel down on looks alone! Every time I look at him all I can see is a bucket of chicken under one arm.

less then 12 more hours, man, 12 lectures to go and I am gold

I'd give that exam two thumbs up... two thumbs up Brooks' ass. I hate that chicken-peddlin' bastard!

On a separate note, I love Akins. I'm feeling quite fuzzy about Gatti, too.

What did you guys think?

I'd give that exam two thumbs up... two thumbs up Brooks' ass. I hate that chicken-peddlin' bastard!

On a separate note, I love Akins. I'm feeling quite fuzzy about Gatti, too.

What did you guys think?

I think most of Akins' Q's were ok, Gatti's were fairly easy... Brooks delights in making us feel raped up the ass...

Now I gotta try to cram more info into my already liquifying brain matter before it all leaks out my ears....

I think most of Akins' Q's were ok, Gatti's were fairly easy... Brooks delights in making us feel raped up the ass...



You guys are hilarious! Seems like you really have a fun class. I won't wish you luck on the exam because that always seemed condescending to me. I will instead wish you success in your hard work! Corny, but oh well.

I am guessing the average is going to be something like 95% for this one. And I am going to be the only kid in class with less then a 90%

what was the answer of that one question about NER, none of the answers seemed not right, I think I put that it doesn't recognize both the parent and daughter

I'd give that exam two thumbs up... two thumbs up Brooks' ass. I hate that chicken-peddlin' bastard!

On a separate note, I love Akins. I'm feeling quite fuzzy about Gatti, too.

What did you guys think?

Gatti is my hero....

what was the answer of that one question about NER, none of the answers seemed not right, I think I put that it doesn't recognize both the parent and daughter

The answer was that it is mutagenic because it can't distinguish between strands. I think...

I think that's what I put too, thanks
did the answer also say something about how it can tell the difference betwenn the daughter and parent strand, I think it was C

what's the difference between RIA-GH and BIA-GH?

what's the difference between RIA-GH and BIA-GH?

Growth hormones of some sort? Never heard of em... ohhh, this is gonna be a riot tomorrow.

Yeah, the answer was C, btw.

Wait... is it maybe radioimmunoassayed and... something-immunoassayed?

RIA = Radio Immuno Assayed = how much is in your system

BIA = Biological Immuno Assayed = how much is in the active form

Does anyone else feel really stupid after that exam? I'm not sure if it was difficult, but my brain hurts...

Did I miss a lecture on leptin? All I remember seeing was a picture of two mice connected and one was fat and the other was skinny (and dead, I believe).

What was the glycosylated protein hormone?

I think I don't like Rillema's questions, some were ok but the rest... talk about being nit-picky!! I feel that at least half of the questions were insulin related, and I don't think that 1/2 of our lectures were on insulin. It is over though!!! yaaa...you all coming to the Post tonite? I'll be there!!

Rillema's questions = ridiculous

and I cited that

I think I don't like Rillema's questions, some were ok but the rest... talk about being nit-picky!!

I'll second that!

Regarding some of Rillema's questions, does the term BOHICA mean anything to the rest of you?

I'll second that!

Regarding some of Rillema's questions, does the term BOHICA mean anything to the rest of you?

BOHICA = Bend Over! Here It Comes Again!

I just hope I pulled a decent score.

Rillema's questions = ridiculous

and I cited that

you actually said ridiculous?

Cause that would be awesome... :D

you actually said ridiculous?

Cause that would be awesome... :D
Yes, I actually cited that, word for word.

Yes, I actually cited that, word for word.

Assuming they actually read our citations, it would be amusing to be a fly on the wall when they get to that one.

BOHICA = Bend Over! Here It Comes Again!

I just hope I pulled a decent score.

my point exactly.

Is anyone else as hungover as I am this morning?

Apparently the Long Islands that I drank were stronger than I thought.... I had to make my fiance pull over three times on the way home so I could puke. I don't even remember anything after we got home. I woke up with my PJ's on thinking "what the hell happened last night." Then I remembered the pukedom that occured... Even though I hate puking (and being hungover), it really felt good to let loose again!

Happy Spring Break everyone!!!

Is anyone else as hungover as I am this morning?

Apparently the Long Islands that I drank were stronger than I thought.... I had to make my fiance pull over three times on the way home so I could puke. I don't even remember anything after we got home. I woke up with my PJ's on thinking "what the hell happened last night." Then I remembered the pukedom that occured... Even though I hate puking (and being hungover), it really felt good to let loose again!

Happy Spring Break everyone!!!

I actually feel pretty good, esp for all of those amaretto sours, and a couple of Red Headed Sluts. Not hung over at all, though I did take my vitamins yesterday, drink plenty of water when I got home @ 3 am, and took a shower...which gets rid of the smoke smell. I find usually that 1/2 of my hangover symptoms come from the smoke saturation so I always take a shower to clear my sinuses before I go to bed.

Did any of you get hit on by the creepy law student? The guy in the green retro t-shirt, brown jacket with some faux fur trim, heaver-set, and sunglasses??? I know that I wasn't the only one because I saw him trying to kiss like 3 other ladies over the evening! But hey, It was his birthday!!! ewww.

What are ya'lls plans for break?

Is anyone else as hungover as I am this morning?

Apparently the Long Islands that I drank were stronger than I thought.... I had to make my fiance pull over three times on the way home so I could puke. I don't even remember anything after we got home. I woke up with my PJ's on thinking "what the hell happened last night." Then I remembered the pukedom that occured... Even though I hate puking (and being hungover), it really felt good to let loose again!

Happy Spring Break everyone!!!

my head hurts.

YEY for spring break!!!!!!

Too bad much of it is going to be spent working... but at least I get to play with cute animals!!!

Hope everyone's break is great!!!!!

Yeah, physio wasn't that good. What the hell were they asking toward the end, I remember just dosing off and thinking, come on I just want to pass, god please give me that 70% commulative average.
Yesterday night was great. I was just chilling out with family, it was nice talking with normal people every once and a while. 9 more study free, t.v. watching, days, I am happy!

you work with cute animals? elaborate

you work with cute animals? elaborate


I work at a vet clinic.

I don't know how many of you check your e-mail over break. But there is some bad news. Taniform passed away on Saturday in Ecuador. He got caught in the rip tide and was swept out to sea. His body was recovered today. He was always such a joker and I know that I will remember the good times we had in class, partying at after-exam parties, and singing along at the Ol' Shelaleigh. I'm sure that we will all miss his presence.

I don't know how many of you check your e-mail over break. But there is some bad news. Taniform passed away on Saturday in Ecuador. He got caught in the rip tide and was swept out to sea. His body was recovered today. He was always such a joker and I know that I will remember the good times we had in class, partying at after-exam parties, and singing along at the Ol' Shelaleigh. I'm sure that we will all miss his presence.

I just got the e-mails. It is so sad. I really only knew him from soccer but he was always smiling and easy to get a long with. :-(

I feel sick to my stomach after reading that email. Taniform was one of the first people I met when I started here. You just never think that someone you know is going to die. I feel just aweful for all his friends and family.

It is so hard to believe that he is gone. Just five days ago we were at the bar laughing and dancing and having a good time, debating on whether to have an after-bar party back at his/Emeka's place.

CeLo - you have it right, it does make me sick

It is unbelievable....i am just at a loss.....
He was such a great person, friends with everybody. I am so saddened for his family

Just so ya'll know we are trying to raise some money to help send Taniform's body to wherever his family is gonna have him buried (I hear it's very expensive to have bodies transported by air). I spoke to Emeka this morning and we are gonna try to raise some money for the family. I know that they are supposed to be addressing the class before our monday lecture and I think we will try to collect some money then. I you could pass the word around it would be helpful. Thanks

Just so ya'll know we are trying to raise some money to help send Taniform's body to wherever his family is gonna have him buried (I hear it's very expensive to have bodies transported by air). I spoke to Emeka this morning and we are gonna try to raise some money for the family. I know that they are supposed to be addressing the class before our monday lecture and I think we will try to collect some money then. I you could pass the word around it would be helpful. Thanks

How absolutely sad. You should post a message to all class listserves so that we can contribute a few dollars.

Well, it is the last night of break. boo hoo. Now we start the wonderful world of neuro...yech! I got the atlas...wow, that is a lot of black and white. I just hope that it is more interesting than biochem was. Wait, anything would be more interesting than biochem...what was I thinking! See ya'll tomorrow. Well all of you who come to class. hehe.

Well, it is the last night of break. boo hoo. Now we start the wonderful world of neuro...yech! I got the atlas...wow, that is a lot of black and white. I just hope that it is more interesting than biochem was. Wait, anything would be more interesting than biochem...what was I thinking! See ya'll tomorrow. Well all of you who come to class. hehe.

Let me know how class goes. I was planning on going, but the fact that I'm still on a break-time sleep schedule combined with the fact that tomorrow's neuro lecture is by Crossland has led me to reconsider.

Pathetic that I can't even rouse myself to attend the FIRST lecture anymore.

yeah, I am not going too

There wasn't a lot of people in neuro yesterday. Lecture for nutrition is pretty bad. But the way that they mix up the lectures now makes it hard to miss just one of the classes!!

2 more months!!!!

Has anyone bought the 2005 Atlas of the Brain from Rafols? I tried to see if you could buy it cheaper from Amazon... it looks like Rafols actually wrote the book. Does that mean the book is a useless pice of *&%$#??? Let me know if you've spent the $45 on this book and think it'll be useful...

Also, upperclassmen: can you tell us if it's worth it to buy this book???

Has anyone bought the 2005 Atlas of the Brain from Rafols? I tried to see if you could buy it cheaper from Amazon... it looks like Rafols actually wrote the book. Does that mean the book is a useless pice of *&%$#??? Let me know if you've spent the $45 on this book and think it'll be useful...

Also, upperclassmen: can you tell us if it's worth it to buy this book???

FWIW I spent some time speaking with the folks at the medical bookstore and they seemed to think that we could get by with a Rafols atlas and the BRS neuro text (or if you don't like BRS then a textbook and the Neuro High Yield, instead).
They also seemed to think that Rafols had improved his atlas this year.

I don't know if things have changed much since last year but that atlas was definately a huge help. I'm not sure if you can even pass neuro without that thing. All of the little lab sessions focus on his atlas and point out all the tracts and nuclei and, this was key for me, reinforce the main points taught in class. I felt like I learned just as much during those sessions as I did with just the notes. You might get sick of the repetition and the length but you won't forget it...at least not for the exam. I'm praying for neuropath this year :-(

Our sex doctor was getting a little too excited today. And does she really think that infants have orgasms? And kids doing things to themselves because of the pleasure responses triggered by dopamine, I never thought kids were this perverted before today.

Well at least she was more interesting than the second Doc. I swear, the amount my bum has been in those chairs in Scott hall this week! My upper back is strained from bending over notes in the semi-darkness trying to read/take notes and my backside is numb from the 5+ hours of lecture a day.

Just wanted to offer my condolences to y'all for the death of 1st yr Taniform Abongwa. I didnt know him personally, seen him like once or so, but he was good friends with some of my friends who knew him from Undergrad at U of M, and in med schl. Kinda sad how stuff like this puts things in perspective, now even my Neuro Lab exam I've 2morrow isnt that big of a deal anymore. I tried contacting people I knew who were friends with him, Emeka is a friend of mine, and I just found out and tried contacting him, wonder how he's handling it.

I talked to Rafols today when I went to buy my atlas and he said it took him 4 years to compile it. But if we all buy one he will make about $12,000. Not bad!

I started going to class this week for the first time since anatomy. I am so burned out. You can only sit still for so long, and after 5 hours of neuro lecture I can't concentrate on the notes. I am NOT looking forward to the 3 hour labs! Just keep telling yourself, two more months...

Just wanted to offer my condolences to y'all for the death of 1st yr Taniform Abongwa. I didnt know him personally, seen him like once or so, but he was good friends with some of my friends who knew him from Undergrad at U of M, and in med schl. Kinda sad how stuff like this puts things in perspective, now even my Neuro Lab exam I've 2morrow isnt that big of a deal anymore. I tried contacting people I knew who were friends with him, Emeka is a friend of mine, and I just found out and tried contacting him, wonder how he's handling it.
Yeah, it really is a shame. I have seen Emeka quite a bit, and even saw him tonight. You can tell he is visually down, but at this point his main goal is attempting to raise money to give to Taniform's family to help subsidize the cost of sending him back home and the funeral. He was at the fourth year party tonight without knowing anyone, with a bucket to collect money. If you want to help, try emailing him and donating some money.

Yeah, it really is a shame. I have seen Emeka quite a bit, and even saw him tonight. You can tell he is visually down, but at this point his main goal is attempting to raise money to give to Taniform's family to help subsidize the cost of sending him back home and the funeral. He was at the fourth year party tonight without knowing anyone, with a bucket to collect money. If you want to help, try emailing him and donating some money.

yeah its sad, tried calling him tonight, still havent been able to get a hold of him. Spoke to another mutual friend, who is also at WSU and has also known him since undergrad and she had to move an exam cause she couldnt get herself to take it.
At this point any donation would help,w I'v so I knoe to give something

The guy who passed away, is his first name Desmond? I saw his name in one of those students host list. Really sad.

No, his name was Taniform.

Has anyone bought the 2005 Atlas of the Brain from Rafols? I tried to see if you could buy it cheaper from Amazon... it looks like Rafols actually wrote the book. Does that mean the book is a useless pice of *&%$#??? Let me know if you've spent the $45 on this book and think it'll be useful...

Also, upperclassmen: can you tell us if it's worth it to buy this book???

I got by without it. To be honest, I got by without most of the textbooks they had for the different classes. The only exception to that was the Kumar & Robbins textbook for all of pathophys next year. That book was/is the bible.

I was back at G.Spot Hall on Thursday for my gf/fiance's match day. God that building brings back bad memories. :laugh:

I was back at G.Spot Hall on Thursday for my gf/fiance's match day. God that building brings back bad memories. :laugh:

I hope that she matched well!

any advice on how to study for nutritient.
I heard that there are alot of questions that come from the book and are not covered in lecture or the notes. is that true?

any advice on how to study for nutritient.
I heard that there are alot of questions that come from the book and are not covered in lecture or the notes. is that true?

That is true. When I took the exam (2002), Sardesai designed test questions based on information from his book. Normally, the question would come from the material early in a chapter. Sometimes the first or second paragraph. His exam may have changed since 2002, however.

I hope that she matched well!

Yeah, she matched at her top choice, Oakwood for FP. Closest program to A2, and she loathed the idea of being a UMich resident :laugh:

When I took nutrition in 2001, I found that you needed to be at or listen to the lecture to do really well on Sardesi's tests. Most of the questions I missed (I am one of those pathological people who will look up questions they don't know right after exams) weren't in his lecture notes, so I assume that he mentioned them during his lectures.

so i was wondering if any of you wayne state students knew if it was common to live as far away as livonia... or somewhere half way in between detroit and ann arbor?

my problem is that my gf/fiance was accepted to UM's undergrad as a transfer student- but I am on hold at their medical school. however, i was accepted at wayne. I know wayne is pretty much a commuter campus, but was wondering how big of deal it would be for me to make that drive everyday... i think half way is about 20 miles- so does that mean 20 mins or would traffic make it longer? (we want to live together)

thanks

Not so much traffic (although that is a factor), but construction, 1-94 has been invaded by the orange barrels for the next 8 months.

so i was wondering if any of you wayne state students knew if it was common to live as far away as livonia... or somewhere half way in between detroit and ann arbor?

my problem is that my gf/fiance was accepted to UM's undergrad as a transfer student- but I am on hold at their medical school. however, i was accepted at wayne. I know wayne is pretty much a commuter campus, but was wondering how big of deal it would be for me to make that drive everyday... i think half way is about 20 miles- so does that mean 20 mins or would traffic make it longer?

thanks

Yeah, it really is a shame. I have seen Emeka quite a bit, and even saw him tonight. You can tell he is visually down, but at this point his main goal is attempting to raise money to give to Taniform's family to help subsidize the cost of sending him back home and the funeral. He was at the fourth year party tonight without knowing anyone, with a bucket to collect money. If you want to help, try emailing him and donating some money.


Emeka has been amazing through all this, but i suppose no one knows how he really is doing but him. I think he is trying to stay active and busy, which probably helps, but it's gotta be rough on him.....thankfully, his friends and our class are unbelievably supportive. there are a lot of us who will be there for him and i hope he will be fine

Traffic not an issue on I94?! :confused: Just when are you on it?
Fun8stuff, I would say to plan on spending at least 40 minutes to cover those 20 miles (but probably more with the current construction). There was someone at the lab where I used to work (in Detroit) that would drive in from Ypsi every day – so it is doable, but it would be painful with the current gas prices.

To answer the original question - I am sure that there are probably some WSUSOM students with at least that long of a commute (not that I would want it). Of course if you decide to be one of the students that stays home and watches the lectures online than it is mostly a non-issue.

Fun8stuff, if you end up at WSU I would personally suggest finding a place closer to school and visiting your woman on the weekends.

Not so much traffic (although that is a factor), but construction, 1-94 has been invaded by the orange barrels for the next 8 months.

Fun,
What about Dearborn? I know a handful of students there.

so i was wondering if any of you wayne state students knew if it was common to live as far away as livonia... or somewhere half way in between detroit and ann arbor?

my problem is that my gf/fiance was accepted to UM's undergrad as a transfer student- but I am on hold at their medical school. however, i was accepted at wayne. I know wayne is pretty much a commuter campus, but was wondering how big of deal it would be for me to make that drive everyday... i think half way is about 20 miles- so does that mean 20 mins or would traffic make it longer? (we want to live together)

thanks

I used to live in Livonia. While I've never made the trek to Wayne during rush hour, I'd say it'll take at least 30 min. You'd most likely be taking I-96 into school. You could also hop onto the Lodge Freeway as well. I'm not sure if it'd save you any time though. There's actually a chance I might be living in Livonia again next year, so I'd be in the same boat as you trying to figure out the fastest way into school from there. Keep in mind: they videotape lectures and put them online, so it's not totally necessary to get to school everyday. ;)

I think most med students live at Wayne live at least 20 min from campus (a safe, respectable distance from the horrors of Detroit).

(a safe, respectable distance from the horrors of Detroit).

I take offense to that statement.

I live downtown and have only been shot twice.

No seriously, many of our classmates live downtown and I have never heard of anyone having troubles with crime. One person had their car window smashed, but that is not all that uncommon in any city. It's misinformed attitudes like you have presented that only perpetuate the negative image of Detroit. Nothing blows me away more than people from Livonia or wherever in the Metro area that like to leave the state and bash Detroit to everyone they meet. Don't they realize that these people see no distinction between Livonia and Detroit, just like the national media failed to point out that the Palace Basketbrawl happened in Auburn Hills, 45 min away from Detroit. You'd be amazed how many people I get to come down to Detroit who have a great time and only later feel ashamed that their judgment of the city was completely misguided.

Not to mention that the pseudo-"urban" experience of Royal Oak now only gets on my nerves. And the blandness of suburbia like Livonia makes me want to drive my car into a wall. Nothing like looking out my window at the river, walking to the bar, and peering up at skyscrapers when I leave.

As long as the debate of the quickest route into downtown Detroit has been raised, I’ll point out the obvious…
The Super Bowl is going to be here next winter. In an attempt to give all of our visitors the nicest ride into downtown, ALL freeways into Detroit (M10, I94, I96, I75, etc.) are going to be a mess of construction until sometime in November or December.

Also, not to get into a flaming war with anyone, but I think that the breakdown for housing for the class of 2008 is something like (rough generalization to follow) 1/3 in Royal Oak, 1/3 in Detroit, 1/3 in other suburbs.

I used to live in Livonia. While I've never made the trek to Wayne during rush hour, I'd say it'll take at least 30 min. You'd most likely be taking I-96 into school. You could also hop onto the Lodge Freeway as well. I'm not sure if it'd save you any time though. There's actually a chance I might be living in Livonia again next year, so I'd be in the same boat as you trying to figure out the fastest way into school from there. Keep in mind: they videotape lectures and put them online, so it's not totally necessary to get to school everyday. ;)

I think most med students live at Wayne live at least 20 min from campus (a safe, respectable distance from the horrors of Detroit).

Can’t say that I am a fan of skyscrapers, but they are better than all of the urban sprawl, which is driven by the suburbs.
And there are also a lot of neat old buildings (houses, skyscrapers, commercial buildings) in Detroit – see them while you can, before they are all torn down (or deteriorate to the point where they should be)
Not to mention that the pseudo-"urban" experience of Royal Oak now only gets on my nerves. And the blandness of suburbia like Livonia makes me want to drive my car into a wall. Nothing like looking out my window at the river, walking to the bar, and peering up at skyscrapers when I leave.

Also, not to get into a flaming war with anyone, but I think that the breakdown for housing for the class of 2008 is something like (rough generalization to follow) 1/3 in Royal Oak, 1/3 in Detroit, 1/3 in other suburbs.

I would agree with this.

"If we really want Detroit to be the place to be, then first we have to be in Detroit." -Edsel Ford

I take offense to that statement.

I live downtown and have only been shot twice.

No seriously, many of our classmates live downtown and I have never heard of anyone having troubles with crime. One person had their car window smashed, but that is not all that uncommon in any city. It's misinformed attitudes like you have presented that only perpetuate the negative image of Detroit. Nothing blows me away more than people from Livonia or wherever in the Metro area that like to leave the state and bash Detroit to everyone they meet. Don't they realize that these people see no distinction between Livonia and Detroit, just like the national media failed to point out that the Palace Basketbrawl happened in Auburn Hills, 45 min away from Detroit. You'd be amazed how many people I get to come down to Detroit who have a great time and only later feel ashamed that their judgment of the city was completely misguided.


I agree that metro Detroit suburbs are nothing to brag about, but I'd still never live within the city limits of D-town. I get nervous just driving away from campus. I know a girl who was raped a few blocks from Wayne and my fiance knows someone who was shot in Detroit. The safety reports that Wayne's police department sends out doesn't really make me feel that safe either. I'm just glad I drive a Saturn that's not likely to be stolen because of it's lovely plastic doors!

I've been to some cool cities (Chicago, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Washington DC) and I have to say Detroit really is a craphole except for Greektown, the casinos, and the few block radius surrounding Comerica Park and Ford Field. Maybe if I hadn't been spoiled with the beautiful scenery of Michigan State's campus as an undergrad, I'd be able to appreciate boarded up buildings more..... :laugh:

I took classes at WSU in State Hall, and I was only mugged once.

I agree that metro Detroit suburbs are nothing to brag about, but I'd still never live within the city limits of D-town. I get nervous just driving away from campus. I know a girl who was raped a few blocks from Wayne and my fiance knows someone who was shot in Detroit. The safety reports that Wayne's police department sends out doesn't really make me feel that safe either. I'm just glad I drive a Saturn that's not likely to be stolen because of it's lovely plastic doors!

I've been to some cool cities (Chicago, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Washington DC) and I have to say Detroit really is a craphole except for Greektown, the casinos, and the few block radius surrounding Comerica Park and Ford Field. Maybe if I hadn't been spoiled with the beautiful scenery of Michigan State's campus as an undergrad, I'd be able to appreciate boarded up buildings more..... :laugh:

I agree that metro Detroit suburbs are nothing to brag about, but I'd still never live within the city limits of D-town. I get nervous just driving away from campus. I know a girl who was raped a few blocks from Wayne and my fiance knows someone who was shot in Detroit. The safety reports that Wayne's police department sends out doesn't really make me feel that safe either. I'm just glad I drive a Saturn that's not likely to be stolen because of it's lovely plastic doors!

I've been to some cool cities (Chicago, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Washington DC) and I have to say Detroit really is a craphole except for Greektown, the casinos, and the few block radius surrounding Comerica Park and Ford Field. Maybe if I hadn't been spoiled with the beautiful scenery of Michigan State's campus as an undergrad, I'd be able to appreciate boarded up buildings more..... :laugh:

I know people who have been assaulted at places all throughout metro-Detroit, these are problems not limited to the city itself. Is there a higher incidence of crime, of course, but it's called being aware of your surroundings and being smart about where you go and why. Besides, much of the crime in Detroit is perpetrated in the outskirts and neighborhoods involving gangs and drugs, there is actually not that much crime in the Central Business District and Downtown. As for the safety reports, with the exception of the stolen cars, they are not that different than any campus with 30+thousand students. There was a serial raper up at MSU earlier this year, but funny how nobody seems worried about that. As for you car being stolen, don't park on surface streets and use a Club, simple.

The problem with Detroit is that it is a city that needs to be discovered. You don't drive down a single street and see a bunch of heavily advertised clubs/bars/restaurants, although woodward is getting that way. Detroit's attractions are relatively hidden and it takes either time or someone who knows where they are to show them to you. You would be amazed how many extremely nice places there are tucked into the corners of D-town. But, if you are so frozen with fear that you can't leave the car, which you shouldn't be, then you're never going to see what Detroit has to offer. As for the beautiful scenery of MSU, yes it does have nice green spaces, but those buildings are about as boring as you can get... and my grandpa built them. Huge square brick montrosities. When you say you don't appreciate boarded up buildings, you must not appreciate architecture. Even despite the fact that some of Detroit's beauties are boarded up, they are still magnificent gems dating back to the 20's and 30's. But maybe the reason I live in Detroit is the same reason I backpacked Egypt during the peak tension leading up to the Iraq war... because without that hint of unknown and slight danger, life just wouldn't be any fun.

Fun,
What about Dearborn? I know a handful of students there.

The thing is, is that I will probably want to live with my gf/fiance. Isn't Dearborn ~40 mins away from ann arbor? We already spent 2 years apart and don't really want to live apart again. Plus, we might be married by then... we kind of plan things at the last minute.... she has 2 years left of school, and clearly UM would be best for her. I guess we could always both live 10 minutes away from school, then theoretically we would be 20 minutes apart... but i dunno.... this is going to be a last minute decision for me. I am going to quit rambling now.

I used to live in Livonia. While I've never made the trek to Wayne during rush hour, I'd say it'll take at least 30 min. You'd most likely be taking I-96 into school. You could also hop onto the Lodge Freeway as well. I'm not sure if it'd save you any time though. There's actually a chance I might be living in Livonia again next year, so I'd be in the same boat as you trying to figure out the fastest way into school from there. Keep in mind: they videotape lectures and put them online, so it's not totally necessary to get to school everyday. ;)

I think most med students live at Wayne live at least 20 min from campus (a safe, respectable distance from the horrors of Detroit).

Lol... I'm not so concerned about the "horrors of detroit", as I am with quality medical education. If so many people live that far away, do most people study at home? Is there a place at the school to study? About how many days a week do you think I would have to come to town during first and second year?

Another question off topic- do most profs give you any kind of list of topics that will be on the exams?

Thanks for your help!

The thing is, is that I will probably want to live with my gf/fiance. Isn't Dearborn ~40 mins away from ann arbor? We already spent 2 years apart and don't really want to live apart again. Plus, we might be married by then... we kind of plan things at the last minute.... she has 2 years left of school, and clearly UM would be best for her. I guess we could always both live 10 minutes away from school, then theoretically we would be 20 minutes apart... but i dunno.... this is going to be a last minute decision for me. I am going to quit rambling now.

You are not going to have time for a girlfriend once you are in school. Live in Detroit and focus on your studies. If she is worth anything, she will wait for you another 2 years and can move in with you in Detroit.

Lol... I'm not so concerned about the "horrors of detroit", as I am with quality medical education. If so many people live that far away, do most people study at home? Is there a place at the school to study? About how many days a week do you think I would have to come to town during first and second year?

Another question off topic- do most profs give you any kind of list of topics that will be on the exams?

Thanks for your help!

OMG ... Detroit is not as dangerous as Chicago. Give me a break. Just don't let anyone approach you on the street while walking and you will be good. During my first and second years, people mostly studied at the Law Library or the Undergraduate library (main campus) because both are new and the UG lib is next door to Starbucks and the Fitness Center. There is also Shiffman library (old and small, but quiet) and now they also keep the homeless bums out so you will not be molested.

You will love Detroit once you get here. Just hook up with a few natives and they will show you the gems as a previous poster stated.

I personally enjoy parking on Woodward outside of Magic Stick or Union St on the weekends and being accosted by bums who want money to 'watch' my car, with the implicit threat that something will happen to it if I don't fork over some paper.

Cars get broken into around that area all the time. Even with a police precinct two blocks away.

The difference between Detroit & Chicago is there are 'good' areas and 'bad areas' in Chicago...in Detroit, there aren't nearly as many delineating lines. One of my favorite clubs, X/S (and now Candy Bar) had a highly-publicized drive-by shooting with two dead, and a GSW body found behind it. And this is two blocks away from the stadiums...wtf?

Fun8Stuff you would be fine living in Livonia. I lived there during undergrad and went to UM-Dearborn. It took me 20 min to get there. I live in Westland now and it takes me about 40 min to get to school. It's even faster when there's no construction. And like everyone said, it's not like you have to go to school everyday. You might want to look into Plymouth or Canton. Both are close to Ann Arbor (275 to M-14) and not a bad drive from Detroit (275 to 96). I live far right now from a freeway because nothing in Westland is close to one, but if you can find something close to one you'd be fine. I used to drive from Dearborn to Ann Arbor everyday to go to work when I was in undergrad and the drive is fine, about 30 min. This is normal to me because I never got "spoiled" living on campus where I could walk to class in 10 minutes. For people who lived on campus in college this sounds like a lot of driving, but it's really not. Most people commute to work from an hour away.

Most people commute to work from an hour away.

And we thank them all for their contributions to urban sprawl, the continued deterioration of Detroit (due to the population exodus), traffic congestion, increased demand for gas (with its associated impact on price at the pump), etc.

Fun8Stuff you would be fine living in Livonia. I lived there during undergrad and went to UM-Dearborn. It took me 20 min to get there. I live in Westland now and it takes me about 40 min to get to school. It's even faster when there's no construction. And like everyone said, it's not like you have to go to school everyday. You might want to look into Plymouth or Canton. Both are close to Ann Arbor (275 to M-14) and not a bad drive from Detroit (275 to 96). I live far right now from a freeway because nothing in Westland is close to one, but if you can find something close to one you'd be fine. I used to drive from Dearborn to Ann Arbor everyday to go to work when I was in undergrad and the drive is fine, about 30 min. This is normal to me because I never got "spoiled" living on campus where I could walk to class in 10 minutes. For people who lived on campus in college this sounds like a lot of driving, but it's really not. Most people commute to work from an hour away.

thanks for your advice! does anyone know about how many days a week (on average) first and second year students have to go to the university?

thanks for your advice! does anyone know about how many days a week (on average) first and second year students have to go to the university?
It depends on what unit you are in. First year, you have to go pretty much everyday during anatomy and histology due to labs. For physio and biochem you could probably not go at all except for the exams. For neuro you would need to go about once a week.

I certainly don't advocate this, but it is possible. As for studying, I am the world's biggest procrastinator at home, so I study at Shiffman, but that's the benefit of being 4 min from school.

Emeka has been amazing through all this, but i suppose no one knows how he really is doing but him. I think he is trying to stay active and busy, which probably helps, but it's gotta be rough on him.....thankfully, his friends and our class are unbelievably supportive. there are a lot of us who will be there for him and i hope he will be fine


I talked to him on a the phone yesterday because I was really concerned, and he was clearly not himself, this was Emeka b4 that we would trade our war stories from med schl a month prior to this incident, and he sounded ok, but clearly not himself. I know he's trying to stay active, he had to go out to Cali to see Taniform's family. He's totally against trying to reschedule any exam, even though I tried convincing him to.
Goodness they are right when they say life does happen whilt ur in med schl, one of my classmate's mother just got in a car accident and is in comatose.

You are not going to have time for a girlfriend once you are in school. Live in Detroit and focus on your studies. If she is worth anything, she will wait for you another 2 years and can move in with you in Detroit.

Don't listen to him, if you want to spend time with your GF/fiance then you'll find it. I recently got engaged and my fiance lives in Lansing. I find time to visit him every weekend (or he comes here to see me). It's really all about prioritizing and making sure you get enough studying done during the week in order to have the weekends free. We're actually moving in together before I start year 2 because we're getting married in December and it'll be easier to not need to move during the school year. Though I don't have much experience in this area, I've been told that it's really nice to come home and have your significant other there. I'm sure it really helps having that kind of support and comfort.

He's totally against trying to reschedule any exam, even though I tried convincing him to.

I have a lot of respect for this. I think taking exams on schedule is part of being a responsible adult and learning to adapt to the challenges that life presents. I dealt with my grandmother dying literally in my arms right before an exam last unit. I found that the exam actually helped because I didn't have the time to sit around and mourn or think.

wow ddmoore, that had to be tough. But I think you should've got the extension if it was that bad, there should be accomadations to those with hardships

It depends on what unit you are in. First year, you have to go pretty much everyday during anatomy and histology due to labs. For physio and biochem you could probably not go at all except for the exams. For neuro you would need to go about once a week.

I certainly don't advocate this, but it is possible. As for studying, I am the world's biggest procrastinator at home, so I study at Shiffman, but that's the benefit of being 4 min from school.


what's shiffman? why wouldn't you advocate only viewing the lectures online? Is there really a difference? In my upper level classes I really feel like I learn most of the material on my own... Although, where I am at now I am about a 3 minute walk from all of my classes and I love it. I find it hard to imagine having to drive. And- I have a hard time studying at home.

How is the medical library??

They didn't take us there on tour, is there a reason?

wow ddmoore, that had to be tough. But I think you should've got the extension if it was that bad, there should be accomadations to those with hardships
Life's about dealing with hardships in stride, so no big deal. I ended up doing pretty well in the end, so no worries there. Besides, I thought I would lead the make-up slots open for all the people feigning illness, haha.

Fun,
Shiffman is the medical library. It's funny that you mention that AS because I had someone else mention that they heard from someone else that the library was avoided on the interviewee tour because it felt like something was being hidden. It was probably avoided because time is limited. A library is a library for the most part. It is just three floors of book stacks with a ton of desks and table in between and around the edges with a couple computer labs and a 24hr study room.

As for why I don't advocate just watching the lectures online everyday, well they get messed up sometimes. Also, I live by myself, so if I never left my apartment I would begin to feel like a hermit. It's nice to go spend some time with my friends at school.

It depends on what unit you are in. First year, you have to go pretty much everyday during anatomy and histology due to labs. For physio and biochem you could probably not go at all except for the exams. For neuro you would need to go about once a week.

I certainly don't advocate this, but it is possible. As for studying, I am the world's biggest procrastinator at home, so I study at Shiffman, but that's the benefit of being 4 min from school.

Fun,
I'll have to echo ddmoore's comments here (except I usually head for my local coffee shop or public library).
There is one other variable: what type of learner are you? If you learn best when you go to lectures (or are too OCD to skip a lecture), then be sure to do so. If that is not the case you might even be able to get by without watching/listening to the lectures and just going off the notes that WSU distributes.

Fun,
I'll have to echo ddmoore's comments here (except I usually head for my local coffee shop or public library).
There is one other variable: what type of learner are you? If you learn best when you go to lectures (or are too OCD to skip a lecture), then be sure to do so. If that is not the case you might even be able to get by without watching/listening to the lectures and just going off the notes that WSU distributes.

thanks again for your advice. i'm curious: do most profs give you an outline of what will be on the test or is it generally assumed to know every little thing that was covered in lecture?

i am pretty OCD about lectures now, but i'm not really sure how much i get from them. When I have missed lecture in the past, i don't think it really hindered me for the test...

There is a list of objectives that the professors stress, but I have yet to figure out why? For the most part you simply need to know every single piece of information in the notes... and then some, haha.

Don't listen to him, if you want to spend time with your GF/fiance then you'll find it. I recently got engaged and my fiance lives in Lansing. I find time to visit him every weekend (or he comes here to see me). It's really all about prioritizing and making sure you get enough studying done during the week in order to have the weekends free. We're actually moving in together before I start year 2 because we're getting married in December and it'll be easier to not need to move during the school year. Though I don't have much experience in this area, I've been told that it's really nice to come home and have your significant other there. I'm sure it really helps having that kind of support and comfort.

You'll be changing your tune come second year.

How is the medical library??

They didn't take us there on tour, is there a reason?

Yup. It sucks.

You'll be changing your tune come second year.

yeah, well fortunately my gf is not high maintenance. We've been together for about 4 yrs, so it's not your typical thing. I think she understands the time commitment..or i think she is as prepared as she can be.

It really isn't that bad. I have been able to still maintain good grades, a life outside of school, and some amount of work. I know that my Fiance and I talked about med school a lot before I started, and so far things are great!! I still get to see him everyday and it helps to come home and just relax a bit with him before starting studying!!! You will be fine!!!

Everyone tries to scare you telling you that you'll lose your gf/bf and all your friends, but it really isn't that bad!

Hi every body,

I'm currently a sophomore/chem major/Wayne pre-med student. I'm very interested in applying to wayne state. The problem is my low G.P.A. I have two C's in bio (BIO 1500) and organic 1 and I had to repeat genaral bio (Bio 1510). I graduated from high school with a 4.00, but college sure is different. My first semester went ok with getting all A's in chem, english and others except BIO 1500 (the class is about plants, mainly, and animals) I got my first C. In the second semester, unfortunate events occured (my brother needed bone marrow transplant, imagine the situation I was in) which lead to C in organic 1, B- in Calc 1, and I droped bio 1510. I took summer classes, Organic 2 and got A's on lec. and lab, and got a B in BIO 1510. The fall of my sophmore year went very well, except for Calc 2, got an B- aganin (I suck at calc and math prof. at Wayne suck :mad: ) Now it's my winter semester, I'm taking microbiology (I'm already done with the pre men chem requirement) I'm enjoying the class and doing o.k.
Last month I started volunteering at a hospital and shadowing a doctor in a lymphoma clinic. I loved working in hospital and clinic so far. I will also start a research this summer.

*My advisor advised me to retake both orgo 1 and Bio 1500, but would that really make a difference, isn't bad to repeat two classes?

*Did I start too late with the volunteering, shadowing, researching (I didn't do any thing freshman year and the begining of sophomore year)?

*what else should I do to improve my chances at getting accepted to wayne medical school?

*Can you share with me some of your back up plans, if not accepted to wayne?

*Is there any body who struggled freshman year, then improved and got accepted?



thank you for your time :o

Life's about dealing with hardships in stride, so no big deal. I ended up doing pretty well in the end, so no worries there. Besides, I thought I would lead the make-up slots open for all the people feigning illness, haha.

No offense, but either you are a tad bit sociopathic or you were not that close to your grandmother.

Hi every body,

I'm currently a sophomore/chem major/Wayne pre-med student. I'm very interested in applying to wayne state. The problem is my low G.P.A. I have two C's in bio (BIO 1500) and organic 1 and I had to repeat genaral bio (Bio 1510). I graduated from high school with a 4.00, but college sure is different. My first semester went ok with getting all A's in chem, english and others except BIO 1500 (the class is about plants, mainly, and animals) I got my first C. In the second semester, unfortunate events occured (my brother needed bone marrow transplant, imagine the situation I was in) which lead to C in organic 1, B- in Calc 1, and I droped bio 1510. I took summer classes, Organic 2 and got A's on lec. and lab, and got a B in BIO 1510. The fall of my sophmore year went very well, except for Calc 2, got an B- aganin (I suck at calc and math prof. at Wayne suck :mad: ) Now it's my winter semester, I'm taking microbiology (I'm already done with the pre men chem requirement) I'm enjoying the class and doing o.k.
Last month I started volunteering at a hospital and shadowing a doctor in a lymphoma clinic. I loved working in hospital and clinic so far. I will also start a research this summer.

*My advisor advised me to retake both orgo 1 and Bio 1500, but would that really make a difference, isn't bad to repeat two classes?

*Did I start too late with the volunteering, shadowing, researching (I didn't do any thing freshman year and the begining of sophomore year)?

*what else should I do to improve my chances at getting accepted to wayne medical school?

*Can you share with me some of your back up plans, if not accepted to wayne?

*Is there any body who struggled freshman year, then improved and got accepted?



thank you for your time :o

The main thing you need to do is start schmoozing with the WSUSOM administration now! They LOVE WSU students. Make sure you do research through the medical school so that you can get LORs from physicians known to the adcom at the medical school. Also, show how hard you can work and what a joy you are to be around. But always, always, always, make sure your coursework and GPA comes first!

As far as your course grades go, they are not great, but I would never repeat a course. Take an upper level course and do extremely well. It is all about showing improvement. I suggest taking a biochemistry course and cell biology course and doing extremely well in both. These courses will be invaluable once you begin medical school.

I hope this helps.

No offense, but either you are a tad bit sociopathic or you were not that close to your grandmother.

My grandmother died the Thursday before classes started at Wayne. While I was deeply saddened by this, she was 89 and we all knew she'd be checking out soon. I also lost one of my uncles right before Thanksgiving. That was much harder to deal with, because he was so much younger.

While I didn't need to make up any exams because of either death in the family, I can understand why someone would need to. If it was my one of my sisters or mother who'd died, I'd be an emotional wreck and probably need to take a leave of absence. But with my grandma, she was old and had lived a very long life. I think it's wrong to say that just because someone isn't an emotional wreck doesn't mean they weren't very close to the person. It's much easier to deal with the deaths of grandparents and other older people. Also, maybe the person had a very long, drawnout death from cancer. I think when those people die, it's more of a relief because they aren't suffering anymore.

No offense, but either you are a tad bit sociopathic or you were not that close to your grandmother.

Well, if you knew the entire scenario, you probably wouldn't be running your mouth like this, so i'll just forgive this ridiculous comment and won't justify it with a further response.

As for the taking time off, I can completely understand if that is what someone needs to do, but my point was that I respect someone who doesn't want exceptions to be made for them, that's all.

Well, if you knew the entire scenario, you probably wouldn't be running your mouth like this, so i'll just forgive this ridiculous comment and won't justify it with a further response.


Who the hell was talking to you? I expressed my opinion and my opinion stands. I think it is pretty cold to be able to take an exam when a loved one has just died. I couldn't do it.

Who the hell was talking to you? I expressed my opinion and my opinion stands. I think it is pretty cold to be able to take an exam when a loved one has just died. I couldn't do it.

I'm not interested in turning our little piece of SDN into a flame war, but I have to say this: MD05, every damn thing you post is some type of downer or insult. By your name, I'm assuming your a fourth year, which means you barely even count as a WSU student anymore. You're essentially a doc now. Leave the thread to us unenlightened and naive little students.

I'm not interested in turning our little piece of SDN into a flame war, but I have to say this: MD05, every damn thing you post is some type of downer or insult. By your name, I'm assuming your a fourth year, which means you barely even count as a WSU student anymore. You're essentially a doc now. Leave the thread to us unenlightened and naive little students.

Goodbye then cruel med students! Flounder in your naivete!

Goodbye then cruel med students! Flounder in your naivete!

Md’05

For a fourth year med student (assuming that’s what you are) you seem extremely out of it. You should have learned a long time ago that not everyone is going to agree with your opinion.
In case you never noticed during your clinical rotations, it is possible to actually mourn someone before they die (I know since I have done it with two grandparents – both with long-term illnesses). That is why it is useful to know the entire scenario. I am in complete agreement with katrinadams9, in some circumstances it is more of a relief to know that your loved ones suffering has come to an end.

Leave and take any words of wisdom, if you feel so inclined. However, if you do that thinking that we are “cruel med students”, then I wish you luck on dealing with all of the “cruel” people that you are going to have to deal with as an intern. I would suggest that you find a way to develop a thicker hide so that you’ll be less touchy.

Well, if you knew the entire scenario, you probably wouldn't be running your mouth like this, so i'll just forgive this ridiculous comment and won't justify it with a further response.

As for the taking time off, I can completely understand if that is what someone needs to do, but my point was that I respect someone who doesn't want exceptions to be made for them, that's all.

ddmoore,
My sympathies to you on the loss of your grandmother.
Like you, I respect individuals that want to roll with life’s punches and not have exceptions made for them and I can understand why some might feel the need to take some time off to mourn.
Personally, it has always been a question of when I did my mourning – after the death or before (in my experiences, during long periods of deterioration where it was obvious that death was not too far off).

Md’05

For a fourth year med student (assuming that’s what you are) you seem extremely out of it. You should have learned a long time ago that not everyone is going to agree with your opinion.
In case you never noticed during your clinical rotations, it is possible to actually mourn someone before they die (I know since I have done it with two grandparents – both with long-term illnesses). That is why it is useful to know the entire scenario. I am in complete agreement with katrinadams9, in some circumstances it is more of a relief to know that your loved ones suffering has come to an end.

Leave and take any words of wisdom, if you feel so inclined. However, if you do that thinking that we are “cruel med students”, then I wish you luck on dealing with all of the “cruel” people that you are going to have to deal with as an intern. I would suggest that you find a way to develop a thicker hide so that you’ll be less touchy.

OMG, please take yourself less seriously, oh-self-righteous one.

The only people who are relieved that their loved one has died are the people that have to care for that loved one or pay the hospital bill. That's what my clinical rotations have taught me, oh wise one.

Hi every body,

I'm currently a sophomore/chem major/Wayne pre-med student. I'm very interested in applying to wayne state. The problem is my low G.P.A. I have two C's in bio (BIO 1500) and organic 1 and I had to repeat genaral bio (Bio 1510). I graduated from high school with a 4.00, but college sure is different. My first semester went ok with getting all A's in chem, english and others except BIO 1500 (the class is about plants, mainly, and animals) I got my first C. In the second semester, unfortunate events occured (my brother needed bone marrow transplant, imagine the situation I was in) which lead to C in organic 1, B- in Calc 1, and I droped bio 1510. I took summer classes, Organic 2 and got A's on lec. and lab, and got a B in BIO 1510. The fall of my sophmore year went very well, except for Calc 2, got an B- aganin (I suck at calc and math prof. at Wayne suck :mad: ) Now it's my winter semester, I'm taking microbiology (I'm already done with the pre men chem requirement) I'm enjoying the class and doing o.k.
Last month I started volunteering at a hospital and shadowing a doctor in a lymphoma clinic. I loved working in hospital and clinic so far. I will also start a research this summer.

*My advisor advised me to retake both orgo 1 and Bio 1500, but would that really make a difference, isn't bad to repeat two classes?

*Did I start too late with the volunteering, shadowing, researching (I didn't do any thing freshman year and the begining of sophomore year)?

*what else should I do to improve my chances at getting accepted to wayne medical school?

*Can you share with me some of your back up plans, if not accepted to wayne?

*Is there any body who struggled freshman year, then improved and got accepted?



thank you for your time :o

I wouldn’t sweat a couple of Cs too much. I had a D in a Biology class and still managed to get in. One of the things that can work for you is the trend of your grades – do your grades improve as you adjust to college life? Remember while the average undergrad GPA is mid-3s that means there are folks with lower ones (my undergrad GPA was approx. 3.0 and I have been holding my own, so far - of course it did take me a few rounds of re-applying to get in).
If calc sucks for you; then why are you still dealing with it?
As for if it is bad for you to retake multiple classes, I think that depends on the school (how it shows up on your transcript), your reason for re-taking, and the medical school you are interested in (re-takes show up differently on different applications). Think about how your admissions packet is going to look as a whole – not just GPA.

Volunteering/shadowing/etc I think depend more on the quality of your experiences from here out (and the letters that you can get from them). Like has already been mentioned, if you want to get in at Wayne, start working on making yourself a recognized individual. The better the admissions committee feels that they know you the better (generally).

As for backup plans, think about applying to multiple schools. Unless you are dead set on being an MD, I would suggest that you spend some time reading up on DOs and thinking about if that might be a viable alternative for you.
You might also consider the PA route. I know a few MDs that if they had it all to do over would have become PAs.

OMG, please take yourself less seriously, oh-self-righteous one.

The only people who are relieved that their loved one has died are the people that have to care for that loved one or pay the hospital bill. That's what my clinical rotations have taught me, oh wise one.

Sorry to break it to you, oh cynical one, but some people actually do really care about their loved ones and the suffering that they are going through. Maybe you didn’t see that around the DMC; if so, then that is an unfortunate thing. Your comments seem to suggest that you are never lost a loved one, after a long drawn-out illness – if that is the case I am extremely jealous and hope that you never have to go through it. However, after you do (if you are unfortunate enough to do so) you might change your tune.

Personally, seeing my grandmother waste away to nothing but a shell of herself bothered me more than her funeral. Do I miss her? Most certainly, but I miss who she was up until the last six months of her life (when she got sick).

I wouldn’t sweat a couple of Cs too much. I had a D in a Biology class and still managed to get in. One of the things that can work for you is the trend of your grades – do your grades improve as you adjust to college life? Remember while the average undergrad GPA is mid-3s that means there are folks with lower ones (my undergrad GPA was approx. 3.0 and I have been holding my own, so far - of course it did take me a few rounds of re-applying to get in).
If calc sucks for you; then why are you still dealing with it?
As for if it is bad for you to retake multiple classes, I think that depends on the school (how it shows up on your transcript), your reason for re-taking, and the medical school you are interested in (re-takes show up differently on different applications). Think about how your admissions packet is going to look as a whole – not just GPA.

Volunteering/shadowing/etc I think depend more on the quality of your experiences from here out (and the letters that you can get from them). Like has already been mentioned, if you want to get in at Wayne, start working on making yourself a recognized individual. The better the admissions committee feels that they know you the better (generally).

As for backup plans, think about applying to multiple schools. Unless you are dead set on being an MD, I would suggest that you spend some time reading up on DOs and thinking about if that might be a viable alternative for you.
You might also consider the PA route. I know a few MDs that if they had it all to do over would have become PAs.

thank you all for you quick response.
well, I'm still taking calc because I have to, it's for my chemistry degree. I'm actually doing great in calc 3, two exam with A-. Does majoring in chemistry make a difference vs. the biology by the way?

" if you want to get in at Wayne, start working on making yourself a recognized individual" do you have any suggestion on how to do that, beside volunteering and shadowing doctors?

it might be a stupit question, but how do you find out who is on WSUMS acceptance committee or whatever it is called?

The "students" must be at Lampoon so I'll throw you a bone ...

http://www.med.wayne.edu/faculty_senate/StandingCommittees.htm