I thought that I would start this thread so that we may communicate, get to know each other and share any pertinent information prior to starting class!

My name is La Tonya and I'm originally from Detroit, but I currently reside in California (I interviewed in Feb 14).
I'll be moving back to Detroit around July 1.
I'm looking forward to beginning my medical career! :)

Glad to meet you. I'll be there as well.

I know 5 people from MSU going (my former BS 111L partner, my former Physics lab partner, a girl that lived in Bailey freshman year, the boyfriend of a girl in my CEM 411 class, myself). Wayne is quite the happenin' place this year.

Check out the megathread in the Allopathic forum for more info.

Join thefacebook.com with your new email address so we can start getting to know everyone. :thumbup:

I interviewed in March and got my acceptance letter today. I am excited about starting in August.

This is an e-mail I received from a current student (ddmoore) about where ti begin!!! :)

Honestly, 95% of the required/rec. books you don't need to buy. There is enough material in the notes that extra sources is just a distraction. Plus, they rec. dozens of books that really have no relavence to the coursework. Here is a list of books that you NEED to buy:

Netter Anatomy Atlas

Books it helps to buy:

Rohen Anatomy Picture Atlas
Gross Anatomy Board Review Series
Physiology Board Review Series
(You can check good Histo books out from the library)
Any old undergrad biochem book
Maybe the nutrition book

Don't worry about doing much before class starts. As was the case for us, plenty of people will offer to sell books on the email lists once you get your WSU-SOM email. You could always look on amazon.com or half.com for the books if you desired. As I have told others, I think the best way to spend your summer is to relax and enjoy it. School comes pretty fast and moves fast. Since you aren't really sure about how it goes, you probably wouldn't study the right stuff or at the right pace to make a difference. If you want to excel, just overstudy for the first exams, know every single detail, then tone it back from there to fit your preferences. Send any additional questions my way.

-ddmoore[/QUOTE]

Congrats to all of you! I've also applied to Wayne, interviewed in Feb, but still on the wait-list. Actually still trying to decide between OU and Wayne (if I end up getting in). Any advice/suggestions would be appreciated!

I'll be heading up north from Canada to join you guys.

eh dare, good to have ya' doncha no.

I'll be heading up north from Canada to join you guys.

Holla for Wayne 09'

Native Michigander here, did undergrad in the great white north of the UP.

I’m going apartment shopping in the area this week/next weekend and still looking for a roommate.

Feel free to contact me with suggestions.

-Josh

This is an e-mail I received from a current student (ddmoore) about where ti begin!!! :)

Honestly, 95% of the required/rec. books you don't need to buy. There is enough material in the notes that extra sources is just a distraction. Plus, they rec. dozens of books that really have no relavence to the coursework. Here is a list of books that you NEED to buy:

Netter Anatomy Atlas

Books it helps to buy:

Rohen Anatomy Picture Atlas
Gross Anatomy Board Review Series
Physiology Board Review Series
(You can check good Histo books out from the library)
Any old undergrad biochem book
Maybe the nutrition book

Don't worry about doing much before class starts. As was the case for us, plenty of people will offer to sell books on the email lists once you get your WSU-SOM email. You could always look on amazon.com or half.com for the books if you desired. As I have told others, I think the best way to spend your summer is to relax and enjoy it. School comes pretty fast and moves fast. Since you aren't really sure about how it goes, you probably wouldn't study the right stuff or at the right pace to make a difference. If you want to excel, just overstudy for the first exams, know every single detail, then tone it back from there to fit your preferences. Send any additional questions my way.

-ddmoore[/QUOTE]

As AStudent said, check out the thread in the Allopathic forum. There are quite a few members of the class of 2008 that hang out there.
Only modification that I would make to ddmoore's comment is that I felt that Rohen was vital for anatomy. It is a wonderful book to have to (to paraphrase one of the guys at the bookstore) 'see what your dissection was supposed to look like'.
Also, hard to beat it for studying when the labs are locked down prior to an exam.

Any other questions...
visit us in the allo forum or feel free to bounce them my way and I'll do what I can (keep in mind we have a round of exams coming up in a couple of weeks)

oldjeeps
WSU-SOM
Class of 2008

only two weeks :) , two exams :eek: , and on OSCE to go until I am a MS2. Please, oh please let me pass it all.

Hey, I do not log on to this forum that often, but it’s nice to see a Wayne thread when I do. I will also be starting at Wayne this fall and am a Michigan native who just graduated from University of Michigan. I leave Wednesday for Europe, but I’ll be back in Detroit in July. See you all then.

I thought that I would start this thread so that we may communicate, get to know each other and share any pertinent information prior to starting class!

My name is La Tonya and I'm originally from Detroit, but I currently reside in California (I interviewed in Feb 14).
I'll be moving back to Detroit around July 1.
I'm looking forward to beginning my medical career! :)

So where are you guys looking at staying? I am trying to choose between belleville and westland- my fiance will be continuing undergrad at UM and we need to live in between. Also, how much per month are you looking at spending on an apartment?

So where are you guys looking at staying? I am trying to choose between belleville and westland- my fiance will be continuing undergrad at UM and we need to live in between. Also, how much per month are you looking at spending on an apartment?

I'm looking either downtown or in the royle oak/ferndale area. I'm trying to find a place with atleast one or two roomates for about 300-500 a month. Still looking for roomates.

I'm living downtown in a 1 bedroom, for the ladies.

Whatever the cost you'll be able to pay it back someday.

I'm looking either downtown or in the royle oak/ferndale area. I'm trying to find a place with atleast one or two roomates for about 300-500 a month. Still looking for roomates.

I'm living downtown in a 1 bedroom, for the ladies.

Whatever the cost you'll be able to pay it back someday.

Nice plan.

Did anyone look at the major apartment complexes yet?

I'm looking either downtown or in the royle oak/ferndale area. I'm trying to find a place with atleast one or two roomates for about 300-500 a month. Still looking for roomates.

One other area that y’all might consider is the Grosse Pointes. Contrary to popular opinion there are apartments out there that aren’t too expensive and there are certain perks to living out there (resident only parks, etc). Also, it can be quicker to get into WSU-SOM from the Grosse Pointes than from RO – especially with some of the current construction – due to more possible routes (RO to SOM is 75 or Woodward: GP to SOM is 94, Mack, Jefferson, Warren, or Harper).

Granted it is a pain to get to any class functions in RO from GP (no direct route), but with proper planning that CAN be a minor issue.


P.S. it just so happens that I am renting a house in Grosse Pointe Park and am looking for housemates – if anyone is interested or would like more information PM me.

Hey,
I'm trying to decide b/w Wayne State and MCO. Can someone tell me about the grading system at Wayne State. I know it's P/F but I really need to know if it fosters collaboration amongst the students. I am looking for an environment that fosters collaboration and not competitiveness. Can any current students elaborate on this. Or can any students who are familiar with the curriculum elaborate.
Also in terms of housing since I can't drive (I know it's pretty sad but in nyc...I take the subway and buses) I would need somewhere that's near campus are their any places within walking distance. Also what is the price range for a 1 bedroom. Thanks everyone.

where in nyc are you?

where in nyc are you?
I live in Brooklyn.

Does anyone know if the grading system at Wayne State is curved?

Hey,
I'm trying to decide b/w Wayne State and MCO. Can someone tell me about the grading system at Wayne State. I know it's P/F but I really need to know if it fosters collaboration amongst the students. I am looking for an environment that fosters collaboration and not competitiveness. Can any current students elaborate on this. Or can any students who are familiar with the curriculum elaborate.
Also in terms of housing since I can't drive (I know it's pretty sad but in nyc...I take the subway and buses) I would need somewhere that's near campus are their any places within walking distance. Also what is the price range for a 1 bedroom. Thanks everyone.


I would definatly say its better for your career to choose WSU over MCO. I dont mean anything negative about MCO, but its just not really known. WSU isnt really known outside of the midwest, but it is known around here. It is respected around here.

Hey fellow classmates!

Soo, I've finally decided on Wayne SOM today!

Anyways, I wanted some input on living areas.

For people that have or will live in Detroit, is it relatively safe? I used to live in MI years ago and my memories of Detroit are pretty negative. Also, during my interview I drove around Wayne and have to say that I wouldn't feel too safe walking around at night (ie, giving my dogs a walk every night.)

I also visited Royal Oak. The students I met at Wayne told me that it was an up and coming place, but after driving around I found that its only like 3 blocks of stuff and then its all "blah".

I also received that housing packet from Wayne, but it seems that most of the apts and condos are in Detroit. And once again, the "safety" issue comes to mind.

Geez, I must sound paranoid! But its actually not me thats worried about safety, its my fiance and my two pugs! Anyways, any input would greatly be appreciated! Thanks!

Does anyone know if the grading system at Wayne State is curved?

What do you mean by graded on a curve?
I am finishing up my first year at WSU-SOM and would be willing to attempt to explain the way scores are calculated if you really want me to wander into that quagmire. PM me and I'll give you as many gory details as I can – or don’t worry about it until you get here.

If you don’t know how to drive, I would suggest that you get around to learning. If you live on main campus (or within walking distance – some people do it) you’ll be able to get by but I am not sure what it means for getting to a store, etc. Also, you’ll have to drive to some of your rotations during third and fourth year.
Re: living on campus, I do not know who you have to talk to, but you might want to check on the WSU undergrad website.

Hey fellow classmates!

Soo, I've finally decided on Wayne SOM today!

Anyways, I wanted some input on living areas.

For people that have or will live in Detroit, is it relatively safe? I used to live in MI years ago and my memories of Detroit are pretty negative. Also, during my interview I drove around Wayne and have to say that I wouldn't feel too safe walking around at night (ie, giving my dogs a walk every night.)

I also visited Royal Oak. The students I met at Wayne told me that it was an up and coming place, but after driving around I found that its only like 3 blocks of stuff and then its all "blah".

I also received that housing packet from Wayne, but it seems that most of the apts and condos are in Detroit. And once again, the "safety" issue comes to mind.

Geez, I must sound paranoid! But its actually not me thats worried about safety, its my fiance and my two pugs! Anyways, any input would greatly be appreciated! Thanks!

Pay the WSU thread on the allopathic board a visit and read some of its early posts. I seem to recall discussing the issue of housing on it at some point.
General rule of thumb for the class of 2008 is 1/3 live in RO, 1/3 live in Detroit, 1/3 live elsewhere. I know of some apartments in the Grosse Pointes that are comparable with downtown apartments price wise. Similar length (or shorter) commute as living in RO. Depending on what you are looking for in a community it might work for you or be too quite. There certainly are more clubs, bars, etc in RO than GP.

Feel free to PM me with any questions and I’ll try to help out (last final is in one week so I might not get around to replying before then).

Does anyone know if the grading system at Wayne State is curved?

You can find a lot of good info about wayne at this site:
http://www.med.wayne.edu/educational_programs/current_students.asp

The grading system is kind of a mix. It is pass/fail in that a 75 or higher is a guarantee pass, below is failing.

At the end of each course, a confidence interval of approximately 99.6% will be placed around the percent score of 75% (the pre-examination guaranteed minimum pass level). The lower limit of this confidence interval then becomes the post-exam guaranteed minimum pass level (post-GMPL), at or above which all students are guaranteed to pass the exam.

The post-GMPL can be adjusted downward at the Course Director’s discretion, based upon post examination analysis. If on post examination analysis the pre-GMPL is found to be greater than the mean of the students'
scores the confidence interval will be applied to the mean. For the purpose of students ascertaining whether they passed and how well they scored, the scores will be reported as the percent of examination items answered correctly.

For the purpose of students ascertaining how well they performed in relationship to their classmates on a given examination and from examination to examination, examination scores will also be reported in standard score form with a mean of 500 and a standard deviation of 100.

The honors level will be determined by the Course Director(s). However, a standard score of 600 or above guarantees course honors. For courses with required promotional examinations, an average standard score of 600 or above guarantees a student year-end honors. The Promotions Committee has the discretion to determine additional honors based on course performance. Students who have an average standard score of 600 or greater and fail a course are not eligible for year-end honors.

wow thanks so much for explaining the grading system. Does type of grading system foster collaboration amogst the students?

Hey fellow classmates!

Soo, I've finally decided on Wayne SOM today!

Anyways, I wanted some input on living areas.

For people that have or will live in Detroit, is it relatively safe? I used to live in MI years ago and my memories of Detroit are pretty negative. Also, during my interview I drove around Wayne and have to say that I wouldn't feel too safe walking around at night (ie, giving my dogs a walk every night.)

I also visited Royal Oak. The students I met at Wayne told me that it was an up and coming place, but after driving around I found that its only like 3 blocks of stuff and then its all "blah".

I also received that housing packet from Wayne, but it seems that most of the apts and condos are in Detroit. And once again, the "safety" issue comes to mind.

Geez, I must sound paranoid! But its actually not me thats worried about safety, its my fiance and my two pugs! Anyways, any input would greatly be appreciated! Thanks!

i will living in either westland or belleville, which are both between a 20-30 mins away depending on traffic. I just visted them Tuesday and they are very nice areas. I saw many people walking dogs, etc. Belleville is a small community (pop. about 4000-5000 people), with a lake, meijer, and a few other things. Westland is a quite a bit larger- not sure of the pop, but i know it is 10th largest city in michigan. It looked like they had everything-- many places to eat out, meijer, walmart, jc penny, a couple movie theaters, etc, etc. The thing with westland is that there isn't a highway that directly connects it to detroit. Belleville is directly connected by 94. The apartments we looked at ranged from $550 to 700 per month (2 bedrooms, the 700 being ones with balconies and washer and dryers.)

we also looked at taylor and romulus, but we weren't very impressed. both seemed not as nice- more run down, not as nice looking.

I called on a bunch of places to live today, I'm probably going to live downtown for this year. With the superbowl and a few other events coming to detroit this will be THE year to live down town.

wow thanks so much for explaining the grading system. Does type of grading system foster collaboration amogst the students?

I am not a student yet, but will be attending next fall. From what I have heard from people that live there (and from students at other schools), is that there will always be the people that are super competitive gunners- this will be true at any school. The application process almost guarantees this. However, there will also be those that are willing to help each other out. I heard at wayne, there are a lot of cliques that are formed- given the large class. A week or so ago i read on the allopathic wayne thread of a student that made some diagram that was offering copies to other people. I know 4 other people personally that go to wayne that all tend to help each other out, etc. The with wayne is that it is a commuter school; a majority of students live off campus in "better" areas. But, I'm not a student so I don't really know how it really is. I imagine it as once you make some friends, you will be able to go to them for help, and that there won't be much difference no matter what school you go to.

And what I said about the grading system I pretty much copied from the curriculum guide off their website (use the link i provided to find it). There is a lot more info in the document. There is one for years I and II that pretty much explains everything.... I would check it out for more info.

I called on a bunch of places to live today, I'm probably going to live downtown for this year. With the superbowl and a few other events coming to detroit this will be THE year to live down town.

I am from a small town and the other day I drove around the campus I had a bum approach my car at a stoplight.... it was kind of scary. I'm not used to that kind of thing. My fiance was telling me the woman standing on the street were hookers... i'm not sure i believe her though, lol. But- i grew up on a farm and have no idea what to expect. To me it looks like living 20-30 mins away will be best for me.

I am from a small town and the other day I drove around the campus I had a bum approach my car at a stoplight.... it was kind of scary. I'm not used to that kind of thing. My fiance was telling me the woman standing on the street were hookers... i'm not sure i believe her though, lol. But- i grew up on a farm and have no idea what to expect. To me it looks like living 20-30 mins away will be best for me.

I'm feeling you on that, I grew up in a town of 300ish in northern Michigan. I also did undergrad in the U.P. so I'm not used to the metro living at all.

But, I think its time for a change. I'm single, no pets and I hate commuting (i used to drive 45 minutes to highschool every morning and HATED it), so I think its downtown for me.

Plus, I'm sure I could take a bum :P

I am from a small town and the other day I drove around the campus I had a bum approach my car at a stoplight.... it was kind of scary. I'm not used to that kind of thing.
You’ll get used to that, it is part of driving in Detroit. Just keep your doors locked and leave yourself some room to maneuver your car out in a hurry, in case you need to. Occasionally there will be someone panhandling between the entrance to Scott Hall and the parking structure – you learn to walk past them without noticing them (sounds horrible, but it’s true)

My fiance was telling me the woman standing on the street were hookers... i'm not sure i believe her though, lol. But- i grew up on a farm and have no idea what to expect. To me it looks like living 20-30 mins away will be best for me.
Your fiancé might be right, I just make it a habit not to notice who is on the street. Just repeat the following to yourself: “Don’t make eye contact, just don’t make eye contact….” If you do that out loud they’ll think you are nuts and leave you alone. :D
Being a farm boy myself, I can understand what you are saying. But think that you are being a bit optimistic about how long your commute is going to be – at least until the construction :mad: is done (not like that will ever happen). Can’t say that I envy how much you are going to be spending to feed your car – but that is the price you pay for contributing to urban sprawl.

Haha, you guys and gals crack me up.

The grading is curved, but it doesn't hurt your failure rate. 75% is always passing. The difference is that you are ranked on each test. Every school ranks you, its just that you don't see it at most.

Like mentioned, there is typically lots of sharing within cliques and between them. Not so much accross the entire class.

I live in Detroit and love it. Downtown is pretty safe, but I am cautious. You get used to the bums, trust me. In fact, I think it's good for you because these are the same people you'll be treating. You need to gain a level of comfort in dealing with them. They are just very poor, and it took living down here for me to realize that. No, those were not hookers.

Ohh, saw my first police chase the other day. A guy sped away after two cops had pulled his car over and were standing next to it. It was exciting!

I'm feeling you on that, I grew up in a town of 300ish in northern Michigan. I also did undergrad in the U.P. so I'm not used to the metro living at all.

But, I think its time for a change. I'm single, no pets and I hate commuting (i used to drive 45 minutes to highschool every morning and HATED it), so I think its downtown for me.

Plus, I'm sure I could take a bum :P

That’ll all depend on what the bum is carrying and how many of the bum’s friends are around the corner.

Just a thought, moving into Detroit proper might be a bit of culture shock for you. In the grand scheme of things (in Detroit terms) a 10 – 20 minute commute is short. Also, I was speaking with someone that lived near the medical center this year and is thinking to move out a bit to have more of a change of scenery between school and home.

I think it's funny how the people most affraid of Detroit, are also the commuters that only go from the parking garage to the inside of school.

It's all about where you live downtown. The places on the river are pretty much nicer than what you'll find in RO, GP, or wherever. I have people with $100K+ cars in my parking garage, so... don't think all of Detroit is complete ghetto.

That’ll all depend on what the bum is carrying and how many of the bum’s friends are around the corner.

Just a thought, moving into Detroit proper might be a bit of culture shock for you. In the grand scheme of things (in Detroit terms) a 10 – 20 minute commute is short. Also, I was speaking with someone that lived near the medical center this year and is thinking to move out a bit to have more of a change of scenery between school and home.

Well, might as well try it, I can always move after a year. I'm pretty sure I'm ready to be close to the action :P

I think it's funny how the people most affraid of Detroit, are also the commuters that only go from the parking garage to the inside of school.

It's all about where you live downtown. The places on the river are pretty much nicer than what you'll find in RO, GP, or wherever. I have people with $100K+ cars in my parking garage, so... don't think all of Detroit is complete ghetto.

Where are you at?

I think it's funny how the people most affraid of Detroit, are also the commuters that only go from the parking garage to the inside of school.

It's all about where you live downtown. The places on the river are pretty much nicer than what you'll find in RO, GP, or wherever. I have people with $100K+ cars in my parking garage, so... don't think all of Detroit is complete ghetto.

I won’t argue that. In fact if you go back to the discussion on the allo board I was backing you up on the fact that Detroit isn’t that bad. Also, as you stated earlier it is all about being cautious regardless of the town that you are in. ALL towns have their “bad areas”; some just get more press than others and unfortunately Detroit gets more than its share of negative press. I am looking forward to when more of Detroit will be like your building – maybe not the $100K+ cars, but starting to come back and be populated by people that are interested in rebuilding the city and making it better.

You’ll get used to that, it is part of driving in Detroit. Just keep your doors locked and leave yourself some room to maneuver your car out in a hurry, in case you need to. Occasionally there will be someone panhandling between the entrance to Scott Hall and the parking structure – you learn to walk past them without noticing them (sounds horrible, but it’s true)


Your fiancé might be right, I just make it a habit not to notice who is on the street. Just repeat the following to yourself: “Don’t make eye contact, just don’t make eye contact….” If you do that out loud they’ll think you are nuts and leave you alone. :D
Being a farm boy myself, I can understand what you are saying. But think that you are being a bit optimistic about how long your commute is going to be – at least until the construction :mad: is done (not like that will ever happen). Can’t say that I envy how much you are going to be spending to feed your car – but that is the price you pay for contributing to urban sprawl.

haha... that's funny. Yeah, i am actually not all gung hoe for commuting, and I know some days may be twice what i said... but i am trying to be optimistic and think of the positives... mapquest says 23 mins, and i only wish it were true. I heard some construction will be done in July and some in November... i will have to pay more in gas, but with my gf splitting rent, i should only be paying $300-400/ month, depending on how much utilities run.

I was within a 2 min walk from most of my classes during undergrad and really got used to this kind of living- waking up 4 mins before class starts and staggering across the street. But my fiance is transfering to UM (undergrad), so we have to live in between wayne and ann arbor. I have no choice... if it weren't for this, i would be living downtown.

I won’t argue that. In fact if you go back to the discussion on the allo board I was backing you up on the fact that Detroit isn’t that bad. Also, as you stated earlier it is all about being cautious regardless of the town that you are in. ALL towns have their “bad areas”; some just get more press than others and unfortunately Detroit gets more than its share of negative press. I am looking forward to when more of Detroit will be like your building – maybe not the $100K+ cars, but starting to come back and be populated by people that are interested in rebuilding the city and making it better.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

how was the waitlist movement last year? any numbers you can bounce around?

for current students, hear anything from the adcom on this year's expected movement??

Where are you at?
I live at Riverfront.

But, Riverplace, Millender Center, and Merchant's Row are all really nice.

so i have a friend who will be attending wayne next year as well. she claims to have gotten a 2-bedroom apartment downtown (Can see medical school from window) for $500/month w/ all utilities included. I have not seen her since graduation, so i have not gotten a chance to ask her where this is. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know where this could be? Is this too good to be true?

I live at Riverfront.

But, Riverplace, Millender Center, and Merchant's Row are all really nice.

Good to hear, I have appointments to view Riverfront and Merch Row on monday.

It's probably University Towers.

As for my commitment to the city... I started the app. process to be in the Detroit Police Reserves. Who knows what will come of it, but seems a lot cooler than any extra-curricular the school offers.

Chalk up another future Wayne State Warrior. Not that I have anything other than that to add to the thread, but all the info has been crazy helpful. Myself, I'm torn between commuting and doing the downtown thing. Do you guys think there's any concern that some of the best local housing will fill up (ie. like at a big undergrad campus) or do you think you can find something solid late in the game?

For the most part, no. It's nice because it's not a "college town" where you need to find housing a year in advance. However, I know some of the desirable places downtown might have waits of a couple months. I wouldn't put it off.

so i have a friend who will be attending wayne next year as well. she claims to have gotten a 2-bedroom apartment downtown (Can see medical school from window) for $500/month w/ all utilities included. I have not seen her since graduation, so i have not gotten a chance to ask her where this is. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know where this could be? Is this too good to be true?


This is definitely possible. I was born and raised in Detroit, but I've been on the West Coast for 10yrs, which is why I'm unable to give any suggestions on where to live. But my Dad lives in what is called "Indian Village" not far from downtown (off of Jefferson and Parker) and he pays about $500 for a small NICE single with wooden floors (kind of like a studio), but perfect for one person! Intercom entrance, quiet, not a lot of people around.
The west side of Detroit is also an option (6mile, 7mile, 8mile ALL WEST SIDE if I recall), Southfield is GREAT (Telegraph/Inkster), Oak Park too.
My brother actually lives in a nice two bedroom, two story townhome for about $700 (I believe it is near I96 and Telegraph or 7mile). If anyone is interested I can find out exactly where.
I'll be living on the West side of Detroit. My parents own these units and my grandmother (age 77, council women) works there everyday, so if she is not afraid, I should not be! :) There may be a unit available here also, nice size 2 bedroom for $450.
Los Angeles is full of gangs, and Detroit does not have this and that makes a world of difference. Yes you have your bums, but like someone said previously, EVERY town has it's bad areas, Detroit just has a few!

Hey ddmoore or any current Wayne student,
Since you're a current student, do you know if the pass/fail system at Wayne is any different from a letter grading system since Wayne State still ranks their students. I guess my question is, does the pass/fail system at Wayne state have the inherent advantages of what pass/fail grading systems are supposed to achieve, in terms of decreasing stressors, cut-throat competition and fostering collaboration?

Haha, you guys and gals crack me up.

The grading is curved, but it doesn't hurt your failure rate. 75% is always passing. The difference is that you are ranked on each test. Every school ranks you, its just that you don't see it at most.

Like mentioned, there is typically lots of sharing within cliques and between them. Not so much accross the entire class.

I live in Detroit and love it. Downtown is pretty safe, but I am cautious. You get used to the bums, trust me. In fact, I think it's good for you because these are the same people you'll be treating. You need to gain a level of comfort in dealing with them. They are just very poor, and it took living down here for me to realize that. No, those were not hookers.

Ohh, saw my first police chase the other day. A guy sped away after two cops had pulled his car over and were standing next to it. It was exciting!

Ok, I'll throw my hat in:

1)Detroit is not scary. I grew up in a small town in mid-MI and going downtown is no big deal. Just keep in mind what some of the others have said. Don't walk with your head down, scan, it makes you less of a mark if you look like you know what you are doing and where you are going. If you are lost do NOT turn around or stop and look confused, if you must back track go around the block or go into a store and buy some gum, then turn around. Avoid eye contact with undesirables if it makes you nervous, if they ask for money say sorry and keep walking, they won't chase you down. Don't swing your purse from one finger like in some cute commercial...it will get snatched. My husband has an aunt who is absentminded at best and she does NOT follow these rules, she has had her purse snatched 6 times. I mean I wouldn't go down to the corner of Michigan and Livernois at night, but if you want to pick up a transvestite hooker, then go right ahead!

2) Detroit is not really a walking town. There is NO big mass transportation system. We are the Motor City, get used to it. However, if you live within walking distance of the school you might be able to make it work. I live in Roseville, no traffic = 15 min door to door, rush hour/bad weather/accidents bumps it up to 30-45. There are some apartments/houses for rent in this area as well, if you want to snag a roomie, and it is a straight shot down 94, but you can always take Gratiot, Harper, or Jefferson...you just add stoplights. Oh and for the person who was looking at Taylor, I personally wouldn't, Taylor-tucky and Ypsi-ssee are a little far out and...um...not really that desirable to live in.

3) I find that competition is not really a big deal. There are always a couple of gunners who will want to with-hold info, but for the most part we all pass things around. Since you have a random number assigned to you then you can't figure out who is who unless someone tells you. Yes, 75% is guaranteed pass rate. No, we have not had a class that even has a pass rate of 70%. Mostly they fall around 65-68%. Class ranking is based on which quint-ile, not which quart-ile, you fall into for your dean's letter at the end of it all. Within that 1/5 you are not ranked. At least this is the way is was explained to me, and it may change.

ok, I can't think of what else I wanted to say but feel free to PM me as well, I'm always on this thing.

IIt's all about where you live downtown. The places on the river are pretty much nicer than what you'll find in RO, GP, or wherever. I have people with $100K+ cars in my parking garage, so... don't think all of Detroit is complete ghetto.

Which apt complexes or condos would you suggest by the river? I was thinking about RiverFront Apartments. Are these any good?

Also, are most parking garages gated with security guards?

Finally, can you jog and walk dogs by the river without always looking behind you. I mean, all metro places can be dangerous to a degree (eg, I would never walk in Central Park in NYC at night), but overall, is the river in Detroit pretty safe? Any info would help, thanks!

I am looking at apartments sunday/monday morning, which hotel should I call thats downtown to stay in?

I am looking at apartments sunday/monday morning, which hotel should I call thats downtown to stay in?

Can't help you with that one :( . If it wasn't for the Neuro exam on monday afternoon I would say that you were welcome to crash at my place on Sunday night.

Did anyone on this thread have to decide between Wayne State and MCO? I am trying to make a decision and I'm having an extremely difficult time. Can anyone offer any input if you are familiar with both through personal experience or friends. Thanks.

I guess I should let you know what I'm looking for
non-cutthroat atmosphere
good residency matches
great clinical exposure
affordable quality housing not far from campus
helpful faculty and administration
decent finanancial package since I (along with my parents info) have an EFC of 0.

For any of you who have decided on Wayne State, why did you choose Wayne State? Thanks.

Did anyone on this thread have to decide between Wayne State and MCO? I am trying to make a decision and I'm having an extremely difficult time. Can anyone offer any input if you are familiar with both through personal experience or friends. Thanks.

I guess I should let you know what I'm looking for
non-cutthroat atmosphere
good residency matches
great clinical exposure
affordable quality housing not far from campus
helpful faculty and administration
decent finanancial package since I (along with my parents info) have an EFC of 0.

For any of you who have decided on Wayne State, why did you choose Wayne State? Thanks.

I have essentially no knowledge of MCO, but can tell you the following about WSU:
I think that medical school generally is only as cutthroat as you (and your friends/classmates) make it - especially at fail/pass/honors schools (like WSU)
generally does a good job matching to residencies (I think that student affairs can supply you with exact numbers if you want them)
GREAT clinical experience since they use most (if not ALL) of the hospitals in the metro Detroit area
not sure what sort of Fin Aid you might be able to get - being an non Mich resident. I just know that my tuition is MUCH less than it is for my non resident classmates.

The big question is when you interviewed, which school felt like the best fit to you? The answer to that question is the answer to where you should go to school. Just remember that eventually you'll be a physician and will be able to pay off those student loans. Also, I don't recomend doing it for financial reasons, but there are various service based scholarships that exist (military, national health service corps, etc).

Do you guys think there's any concern that some of the best local housing will fill up (ie. like at a big undergrad campus) or do you think you can find something solid late in the game?

No idea if there is any truth to it, but I heard a rumor that the on-campus housing office already as a few month waiting list – somebody out there might want to see if there is any truth to that.
Reason that was given has something to do with questions about if the new building is going to be completed on time vs. old buildings that they are closing. I don’t know which buildings the person I heard it from was referring to, since I tend to avoid main campus.

Of course, that says nothing about current WSU-SOM students that might be looking for roommates/housemates (always a good source of study tips) and non-WSU housing.

Which apt complexes or condos would you suggest by the river? I was thinking about RiverFront Apartments. Are these any good?

Also, are most parking garages gated with security guards?

Finally, can you jog and walk dogs by the river without always looking behind you. I mean, all metro places can be dangerous to a degree (eg, I would never walk in Central Park in NYC at night), but overall, is the river in Detroit pretty safe? Any info would help, thanks!
I live at Riverfront with at least a dozen other first years. Everyone I know really likes it. Yes, you can run along the riverwalk. I usually go running from Riverfront to Riverplace all along the river which is 4 miles there and back. Also, I like Belle Isle a lot, which is a 5 miles loop. Run during the day and you have nothing to worry about. Also, I know both riverfront and millender center have running tracks on the top of the parking garages.

Ohh, and the garages are all guarded at the nice places.

I am looking at apartments sunday/monday morning, which hotel should I call thats downtown to stay in?
It's too late... otherwise I would have recommended Holiday Inn Express, or the Hilton Garden Inn. Inn on Ferry Street gets awesome reviews too, but I don't know how expensive that is.

Hey ddmoore or any current Wayne student,
Since you're a current student, do you know if the pass/fail system at Wayne is any different from a letter grading system since Wayne State still ranks their students. I guess my question is, does the pass/fail system at Wayne state have the inherent advantages of what pass/fail grading systems are supposed to achieve, in terms of decreasing stressors, cut-throat competition and fostering collaboration?
Well, that time has come... where are you going?

I just got back from the D. We hit up 5 apartments downtown. I took a ton of pictures, I'll set up a website so those out of state can see what I was looking at, we visted The lofts of Merchant row, Layfette towers, Phillips Manor, Riverfront and River place.

Once I get the webpage up feel free to ask me what I thought of them. I'm also still looking for a roomate, so if anyone still needs one, let me know.

Alright, here are some pictures of Riverfront apartments. I'll put the rest of the other places up tomorrow after I get some sleep.

http://www.homepagepro.com/detroit/

Alright, here are some pictures of Riverfront apartments. I'll put the rest of the other places up tomorrow after I get some sleep.

http://www.homepagepro.com/detroit/

cool

I got bored and did somemore tonight, the rest will follow tomorrow:

Downtown Detroit Apartments (http://www.homepagepro.com/detroit/)

That's a pretty cool site you're making there.

Did anyone on this thread have to decide between Wayne State and MCO? I am trying to make a decision and I'm having an extremely difficult time. Can anyone offer any input if you are familiar with both through personal experience or friends. Thanks.

I guess I should let you know what I'm looking for
non-cutthroat atmosphere
good residency matches
great clinical exposure
affordable quality housing not far from campus
helpful faculty and administration
decent finanancial package since I (along with my parents info) have an EFC of 0.

For any of you who have decided on Wayne State, why did you choose Wayne State? Thanks.

wayne isnt super competitive but its large (250 students). you must work hard to distinguish yourself at wayne.

didnt you read that kansas doesnt rank and there is NO curve? wayne is CURVED~!

Did anyone on this thread have to decide between Wayne State and MCO? I am trying to make a decision and I'm having an extremely difficult time. Can anyone offer any input if you are familiar with both through personal experience or friends. Thanks.

I guess I should let you know what I'm looking for
non-cutthroat atmosphere
good residency matches
great clinical exposure
affordable quality housing not far from campus
helpful faculty and administration
decent finanancial package since I (along with my parents info) have an EFC of 0.

For any of you who have decided on Wayne State, why did you choose Wayne State? Thanks.


i have friends both at wayne and MCO... over the last year, they both seemed to have went through the same stuff and have much of the same feelings. Although, I don't know much about MCO-- there probably is not that big of diff between the 2.

Did anyone on this thread have to decide between Wayne State and MCO? I am trying to make a decision and I'm having an extremely difficult time. Can anyone offer any input if you are familiar with both through personal experience or friends. Thanks.

I guess I should let you know what I'm looking for
non-cutthroat atmosphere
good residency matches
great clinical exposure
affordable quality housing not far from campus
helpful faculty and administration
decent finanancial package since I (along with my parents info) have an EFC of 0.

For any of you who have decided on Wayne State, why did you choose Wayne State? Thanks.

It is now post 5/15...
so where did you decide to go?

I live at Riverfront with at least a dozen other first years. Everyone I know really likes it. Yes, you can run along the riverwalk. I usually go running from Riverfront to Riverplace all along the river which is 4 miles there and back. Also, I like Belle Isle a lot, which is a 5 miles loop. Run during the day and you have nothing to worry about. Also, I know both riverfront and millender center have running tracks on the top of the parking garages.

Ohh, and the garages are all guarded at the nice places.


Sweet, thanks for the info. With the pics from Thrice I am heavily leaning towards Riverfront. :thumbup:

I got bored and did somemore tonight, the rest will follow tomorrow:

Downtown Detroit Apartments (http://www.homepagepro.com/detroit/)


Sweet site! Really helpful!

Quick question, does Riverfront offer any incentives for a "quick" move in? Also, how was the kitchen & bathroom at Riverfront? Would you happen to have any pics?

I read your site about Merchant Row and saw your a basefall fan. Awesome! We definately have to go to some ballgames together to decompress! Well thanks for all your info! :thumbup:

I read your site about Merchant Row and saw your a basefall fan. Awesome! We definately have to go to some ballgames together to decompress! Well thanks for all your info! :thumbup:

Yeah, i didn't get to put the other apartments up becuase the pistons were on and the tigers went to extra innings tonight. Both teams won, so i guess i have to finish putting up pics now :P

Hi all. Starting at WSU-SOM this August as well.

I have some questions about commuting and living situations as well. I originally grew up in New York (Long Island), however have spent the last 10 years in Florida. I'm concerned about the length of time to commute during winter snowfalls and bad weather. Can someone estimate how long it would take for a typical commute from say the Riverfront or Merchants Row area (the pictures were very helpful by the way! I look forward to the rest) in the worst weather conditions? It looks to me like the main road between those areas and campus is Woodward; is it easily passable in inclement weather. My parents seem to be of the opinion that I should be as close to campus as possible (walking distance) where alot of people here seem to be saying that they stay further downtown or even half an hour or more away in the suburbs. So looking for some insight from those of you in the know.

Another thing that I have noticed is that almost all of these apartments come unfurnished. I haven't seen anybody mention this though. As a first year student, is there someplace in the area that most people use to rent furniture? Or do they buy furniture? Or what?

Thanks alot!

Sorry about taking so long, I was out of town this weekend, but I finished adding the pictures of the other 3 apartment complexes.

Detroit Downtown Apartments (http://www.homepagepro.com/detroit/)

Still looking for a roomate as well, feel free to PM me.

Hi all. Starting at WSU-SOM this August as well.

I have some questions about commuting and living situations as well. I originally grew up in New York (Long Island), however have spent the last 10 years in Florida. I'm concerned about the length of time to commute during winter snowfalls and bad weather. Can someone estimate how long it would take for a typical commute from say the Riverfront or Merchants Row area (the pictures were very helpful by the way! I look forward to the rest) in the worst weather conditions? It looks to me like the main road between those areas and campus is Woodward; is it easily passable in inclement weather. My parents seem to be of the opinion that I should be as close to campus as possible (walking distance) where alot of people here seem to be saying that they stay further downtown or even half an hour or more away in the suburbs. So looking for some insight from those of you in the know.

Another thing that I have noticed is that almost all of these apartments come unfurnished. I haven't seen anybody mention this though. As a first year student, is there someplace in the area that most people use to rent furniture? Or do they buy furniture? Or what?

Thanks alot!

Drive times to the school: (Aprox, minutes)
Riverfront 7-10 min
Merchants row: 5ish
Phillps Manor: Don't need to drive, the school is about 1-2 blocks away.
Layfette Towers: 5-7 min
Riverplace: 10-12 minutes

As far as furniture, they all came unfurnished. I don't know about renting, I'm just probably going to pick up cheap stuff from IKEA or Pier 1.

Hey have you considered Millender Center or Harbortown? I've read some good things about both of those places. I'm also looking around for housing right now, I've read that the management at Riverfront and Layfette Towers is kind of sketchy though. I'm going to check out the Millender Center tomorrow, but right now I'm leaning towards Layfette Towers. I'm also actually considering living in the new dorm they put up on the west side of the main campus, any thoughts on that?

Drive times to the school: (Aprox, minutes)
Riverfront 7-10 min
Merchants row: 5ish
Phillps Manor: Don't need to drive, the school is about 1-2 blocks away.
Layfette Towers: 5-7 min
Riverplace: 10-12 minutes

As far as furniture, they all came unfurnished. I don't know about renting, I'm just probably going to pick up cheap stuff from IKEA or Pier 1.

Join thefacebook.com with your new email address so we can start getting to know everyone. :thumbup:

Hey everyone! Just ran across this forum and thought I'd add my name to the list of soon-to-be WSU SOM students. I also had a question concerning setting up the school e-mail...how do you start receiving external e-mail? What in heaven's name is a POP server and what steps need to be taken to configure one? I would be eternally grateful to anyone who might be able to explain (in painstaking, ridiculous detail) how you set yours up to receive mail from the outside world.

Thank you very much and I'm looking forward to seeing you in August! :luck:

Hey have you considered Millender Center or Harbortown? I've read some good things about both of those places. I'm also looking around for housing right now, I've read that the management at Riverfront and Layfette Towers is kind of sketchy though. I'm going to check out the Millender Center tomorrow, but right now I'm leaning towards Layfette Towers. I'm also actually considering living in the new dorm they put up on the west side of the main campus, any thoughts on that?

Tell me how it goes, I am interested in them as well. I just didn't have enough time in the day I was in detroit.

I'm not sure how I feel about living in the campus tower, you have to buy a meal plan which is a major turn off to me.

Hey everyone! Just ran across this forum and thought I'd add my name to the list of soon-to-be WSU SOM students. I also had a question concerning setting up the school e-mail...how do you start receiving external e-mail? What in heaven's name is a POP server and what steps need to be taken to configure one? I would be eternally grateful to anyone who might be able to explain (in painstaking, ridiculous detail) how you set yours up to receive mail from the outside world.

Thank you very much and I'm looking forward to seeing you in August! :luck:

I think the best way to get your school email is through the web portal.

pipeline.wayne.edu

Log in with the info they sent you, then click on mail.

I think the best way to get your school email is through the web portal.

pipeline.wayne.edu

Log in with the info they sent you, then click on mail.

Alright, I've been on the pipeline website and have ran some test runs with outgoing and incoming mail. I can send outgoing mail to any address out there, but I can't receive anything from, for example, yahoo or hotmail addresses (just mail directly from the school). The "Help" section described these outside addresses as External Mail and it sounded like it required the configuration of a POP (Post Office Protocol) server to receive such mail.

Were you able to receive mail from outside of the school without configuring anything?

Thanks.

Alright, I've been on the pipeline website and have ran some test runs with outgoing and incoming mail. I can send outgoing mail to any address out there, but I can't receive anything from, for example, yahoo or hotmail addresses (just mail directly from the school). The "Help" section described these outside addresses as External Mail and it sounded like it required the configuration of a POP (Post Office Protocol) server to receive such mail.

Were you able to receive mail from outside of the school without configuring anything?

Thanks.

Hm, not the tech Guru you need for this one.

Love the Boondock Saints Quote in your sig though.

For anyone out there still looking for housing...

I have a house I am renting in Grosse Pointe Park (approx. 9 miles from school - as little as 15 minutes door to door) and am still looking for some housemates.
Rent starts at $400/month + share of utilities

If you would like more information, please PM me.

oldjeeps
WSU-SOM
class of 2008

Beware of Phillips Manor, only because the guy I know that lives there now is moving because it was too close to school. He liked being able to walk, but he said it felt like he never left school.

Beware of Phillips Manor, only because the guy I know that lives there now is moving because it was too close to school. He liked being able to walk, but he said it felt like he never left school.

Yeah, that was a huge turn-off for me. I guess if you didn't have a car it might be alright though.

Yeah, that was a huge turn-off for me. I guess if you didn't have a car it might be alright though.

With the sad condition of Detroit public transportation, is it even possible to survive in Detroit for very long without at least access to a car?

Another thought for some of you that will be moving to the Motor City from a big city with functional mass transit (NYC, etc) keep in mind that some of your third and fourth year rotations are NOT at the DMC, but are at some of the other hospitals in the Detroit area (Beaumont, St. John, Sinae, etc) which you will have to drive to.

Disclaimer: It might be possible to schedule all of your rotations at the DMC, I just have never heard of it happening.

Did anyone find cheaper health insurance yet or are most people buying the school policy?

Did anyone find cheaper health insurance yet or are most people buying the school policy?


Hey everyone!! I just happened upon this thread (I hadn't been coming over to the pre-allo board since I got my acceptance) but I'll be joining you all in August! I'm glad someone started a thread for us.

Here's my question:
Is there info on the school's health policy anywhere online? I don't think I got anything in the mail about it...

Oh, and as for where I've descided to live in the fall... I'm going to give those new dorms a try. My husband's going to be living in GR so I kinda needed a place to sleep during the week (that's way too far to commute!). I think it will work out for me... I won't have to worry about the stuff that usually comes with having an entire apartment.... I just hope I get good suitemates!

--Soleil

Hey everyone!! I just happened upon this thread (I hadn't been coming over to the pre-allo board since I got my acceptance) but I'll be joining you all in August! I'm glad someone started a thread for us.

Here's my question:
Is there info on the school's health policy anywhere online? I don't think I got anything in the mail about it...
I doubt that you ever will get anything in the mail about it; afterall this is Wayne State that we are talking about. Their specialty is telling you something when they think you need to know it (usually after you actually needed the information) and not a moment before. Also, I have heard rumors that the school with have a different health insurance policy available for students next year - so there is probably NO information available on it, yet.

Oh, and as for where I've descided to live in the fall... I'm going to give those new dorms a try. My husband's going to be living in GR so I kinda needed a place to sleep during the week (that's way too far to commute!). I think it will work out for me... I won't have to worry about the stuff that usually comes with having an entire apartment.... I just hope I get good suitemates!

--Soleil

Med school quality studying in a dorm???? Best of luck to you on being able to pull that off.

Med school quality studying in a dorm???? Best of luck to you on being able to pull that off.

Hey, well, the top 2 floors are reserved for grad students and they are going to group the suites by discipline (ie law students together, med students together, etc.)

Hey, well, the top 2 floors are reserved for grad students and they are going to group the suites by discipline (ie law students together, med students together, etc.)


If they are anything like the honors dorms at my undergrad, studying shouldnt be hard-- providing u dont get distracted at home by tv, phone, computer, etc. Of course, I had honors students above, below, and on all sides of me. It was almost too quiet! So as long as no one below you decides to throw parties 24/7, you should be fine!

I'm going to give those new dorms a try. My husband's going to be living in GR so I kinda needed a place to sleep during the week (that's way too far to commute!).


I think that will be a good arrangement. It gives you something to look forward to, and allows you to focus on your studies during the week.

Did anyone get their physical and TB screen yet?

Do we just send those to the school? are copies of the origionals ok?

Did anyone get their physical and TB screen yet?

Do we just send those to the school? are copies of the origionals ok?

Just bring that stuff with you to registration.

Might not hurt to have a copy that you can give to the school, but I think they just looked at my records (immunization, etc) and handed it back to me.
On second thought, I think they kept their physical form and I think that I had made a copy of my most recent TB screening that I just told them to keep.

Did anyone get their physical and TB screen yet?

Do we just send those to the school? are copies of the origionals ok?

Is there anything else that we need to get/do?

It is now post 5/15...
so where did you decide to go?

Based on a thread elsewhere, this person decided on MCO.

Seems like a big mistake to me :rolleyes: , but hopefully it somehow fits them the best.

BTW, if anyone decides to live at Riverfront Towers, let me know, I'll split the reference money with you. I think it goes on the application or something.

Did anyone get their physical and TB screen yet?

Do we just send those to the school? are copies of the origionals ok?


Hello all - another WSU-SOM class of '09 member, checking in from the "non-traditional" (read older) end of things.

Anyone know if there is a form from Wayne that we need to get for the physical, I just scheduled mine and the doc was asking what things they are looking for in the physical. I know we probably got a red or blue, or . . . piece of non-letterhead paper about this, but that's long gone now.

Moving to the Allopathic forum. Congrats guys! :)

Hello all - another WSU-SOM class of '09 member, checking in from the "non-traditional" (read older) end of things.

Anyone know if there is a form from Wayne that we need to get for the physical, I just scheduled mine and the doc was asking what things they are looking for in the physical. I know we probably got a red or blue, or . . . piece of non-letterhead paper about this, but that's long gone now.

i faintly remember getting a letter saying that we needed to get a physical after may and that we should contact some department for some form... sorry, not much help. but i would contact admissions and ask... that is what i am going to do in a few weeks. if u find out, please post :)

There was a specific form, but I can't remember when I got it.

yes there is a form. I got mine from the office of admissions. Just call them and ask them to mail you one.

Hello all - another WSU-SOM class of '09 member, checking in from the "non-traditional" (read older) end of things.

Anyone know if there is a form from Wayne that we need to get for the physical, I just scheduled mine and the doc was asking what things they are looking for in the physical. I know we probably got a red or blue, or . . . piece of non-letterhead paper about this, but that's long gone now.


I e-mailed them and had the physical form sent to me vis snail-mail
I already received it and have a physical schedule for Tuesday

I e-mailed them and had the physical form sent to me vis snail-mail
I already received it and have a physical schedule for Tuesday

They also told me that you could use a regular/generic sports physical form.

Hi everybody!

I too will be attending Wayne State in the fall, and I'm getting excited for that! I haven't recieved anything from them in like a month, which is sort of wierd. Have you guys gotten anything about financial aid, and whether they have any preferred lenders or something like that? I'm soo confused on this whole financial aid thing, I was lucky and didn't need any for undergrad so now I have no idea what I'm doing.
As far as living, I'm pretty sure I'll just get an apartment at Lafayette towers or something in Detroit, since I don't want to commute. If anyone is looking for a female roomate and wants to be in Detroit, feel free to PM me! If I can find someone I'd like to get a 2 bedroom, and if not I guess I'll probably end up in a studio or something.

Hi everybody!

I too will be attending Wayne State in the fall, and I'm getting excited for that! I haven't recieved anything from them in like a month, which is sort of wierd. Have you guys gotten anything about financial aid, and whether they have any preferred lenders or something like that? I'm soo confused on this whole financial aid thing, I was lucky and didn't need any for undergrad so now I have no idea what I'm doing.
As far as living, I'm pretty sure I'll just get an apartment at Lafayette towers or something in Detroit, since I don't want to commute. If anyone is looking for a female roomate and wants to be in Detroit, feel free to PM me! If I can find someone I'd like to get a 2 bedroom, and if not I guess I'll probably end up in a studio or something.


hi, i am in your same situation- never needed financial aid and really have no idea what i'm doing. i'll assume that you submitted your fafsa. Besides that, you will need to send a confirmation form w/ parents' and your own tax information (W2s, 1040, schedules,etc) on it, your birth certificete, and a vertification sheet. You will have to login to your pipeline account from campus pipeline (http://pipeline.wayne.edu ??), click the student tab, click 'financial aid' on left column, 'my eligibility', 'student requirements', 2005-2006.... this should show you what you need to do yet.

For anything else, you will have to call the admissions office and find out what you need to do. But as far as I know... .this is what you needed to do. I have had everything turned in for like 3 weeks and am still not verified... so the finianical aid office seems to be taken their time (i suppose 270 students + M2-4s, is a lot of students to deal with...). You will also need to turn in a physical form (from doc) and tb test results.

If anyone else knows something else...or if you find out something, please let me know, because i have been kind of wonderng about this myself.

Besides that, you will need to send a confirmation form w/ parents' and your own tax information (W2s, 1040, schedules,etc) on it, your birth certificete, and a vertification sheet.

Maybe I have just been lucky, but I haven’t had to come through with all of that. All that I remember having to do is FAFSA, picking a lender, and going on pipeline to accept my fin aid (might be simpler for me since I chose to not include my parents data on my FAFSA – no campus based aid for me :( ).

I have had everything turned in for like 3 weeks and am still not verified... so the finianical aid office seems to be taken their time (i suppose 270 students + M2-4s, is a lot of students to deal with...).

If you have any questions specifically about your financial aid, contact the fin. aid office. Like most things at WSU if you wait for them to do something you’ll be waiting quite a long time (partly due to the large size of the school) but if you take the initiative and address an issue yourself they are pretty good about helping you with it (all of my visits to Fin Aid have been rather painless).

If anyone else knows something else...or if you find out something, please let me know, because i have been kind of wonderng about this myself.

As has been alluded to in the past, this is WSU-SOM so please prepare yourself to deal with a lack of communication. Don’t worry, they’ll make sure that you are informed before you need to be somewhere/do something (might be the night before, but you’ll be informed :rolleyes: ).

hi, i am in your same situation- never needed financial aid and really have no idea what i'm doing. i'll assume that you submitted your fafsa. Besides that, you will need to send a confirmation form w/ parents' and your own tax information (W2s, 1040, schedules,etc) on it, your birth certificete, and a vertification sheet. You will have to login to your pipeline account from campus pipeline (http://pipeline.wayne.edu ??), click the student tab, click 'financial aid' on left column, 'my eligibility', 'student requirements', 2005-2006.... this should show you what you need to do yet.

For anything else, you will have to call the admissions office and find out what you need to do. But as far as I know... .this is what you needed to do. I have had everything turned in for like 3 weeks and am still not verified... so the finianical aid office seems to be taken their time (i suppose 270 students + M2-4s, is a lot of students to deal with...). You will also need to turn in a physical form (from doc) and tb test results.

If anyone else knows something else...or if you find out something, please let me know, because i have been kind of wonderng about this myself.

Yea, I already did most all of that, and pipeline already says I'm verified, and basically I can get a lot of stafford loans. I want to accept the loans, but not in the full amount, so I'm not sure how to do that. And then I guess I have to find a lender on my own or something? I don't really know anything about what to look for, but the financial aid forum seems to suggest that Total Higher Education is a good lender to go through, so I may just take thier word for it and go with them. I think I'm going to call the financial aid office on Monday and figure out exactly what I need to do.

Do you know where to get the form for the physical?

Yea, I already did most all of that, and pipeline already says I'm verified, and basically I can get a lot of stafford loans. I want to accept the loans, but not in the full amount, so I'm not sure how to do that. And then I guess I have to find a lender on my own or something? I don't really know anything about what to look for, but the financial aid forum seems to suggest that Total Higher Education is a good lender to go through, so I may just take thier word for it and go with them. I think I'm going to call the financial aid office on Monday and figure out exactly what I need to do.

Do you know where to get the form for the physical?

did you put down your parents info? how long did it take u to get verified? I have called them twice and they keep telling me that they will have it done by the end of june... here i was accepted back in the beginning of october..

about the phyical- i contacted dawn street and she said that they are not suppoose to mail the forms, but you can pick them up at the office if u are in town. however, other people seem to be saying that they are mailing them out. dawn also said that you can just have your doctor use a generic (sports) physical form.

Maybe I have just been lucky, but I haven’t had to come through with all of that. All that I remember having to do is FAFSA, picking a lender, and going on pipeline to accept my fin aid (might be simpler for me since I chose to not include my parents data on my FAFSA – no campus based aid for me :( ).
Don’t worry, they’ll make sure that you are informed before you need to be somewhere/do something (might be the night before, but you’ll be informed :rolleyes: ).

Thanks for the advice :) So could u summarize the process of choosing a lender?

did you put down your parents info? how long did it take u to get verified? I have called them twice and they keep telling me that they will have it done by the end of june... here i was accepted back in the beginning of october..

about the phyical- i contacted dawn street and she said that they are not suppoose to mail the forms, but you can pick them up at the office if u are in town. however, other people seem to be saying that they are mailing them out. dawn also said that you can just have your doctor use a generic (sports) physical form.

Oh, cool, I'll probably just do the generic thing, that sounds easier.
For the financial aid thing, I did put down my parents info, and it took about 3 weeks for me to get verified.

Oh, cool, I'll probably just do the generic thing, that sounds easier.
For the financial aid thing, I did put down my parents info, and it took about 3 weeks for me to get verified.

FYI:

"Not a problem to email me with any questions. Your physician can either use a
generic physical form (sports) or you can contact the Registrar's office at 313
5771470. Because of HIPAA we don't send them from our office because students send them back to us instead of bringing them to registration.

Dawn"

Random question for you all...

Does anyone know know if Wayne State has a gym for its students?? And is it nice? I'm thinking about joining Lifetime, but I'm not sure yet if it would be worth it.
Thanks!

I plan on using the Fitness Center that's on the main camps. I haven't seen it yet, but the pictures look nice and I think most activities are free for students.

Here's the link:
http://www.rfc.wayne.edu/index.php

I plan on using the Fitness Center that's on the main camps. I haven't seen it yet, but the pictures look nice and I think most activities are free for students.

Here's the link:
http://www.rfc.wayne.edu/index.php

Ohhh, wow, thanks! That looks way nicer than what I've had for the past 4 years! I'll probably use that as well!

Let's see....

Gym- Yes, the med students use the main campus fitness center. Your med school parking allows you to park in a garage over there and the facilities are pretty new and real nice. There is absolutely no need to be paying for Lifetime.

Lenders- Basically, you get a list of preferred lenders and decide from that. Some of them are more well known vs. others. Some have different repayment benefits, like interest rate discounts if you regularily make payments. They have fees, and some take those out of your original checks, while others plug it into the repayment. Basically, just pick one and go with it.

I would definatly say its better for your career to choose WSU over MCO. I dont mean anything negative about MCO, but its just not really known. WSU isnt really known outside of the midwest, but it is known around here. It is respected around here.


hi guys,

i am a native michigander but am in philly right now. i am moving back in a couple of weeks. i am looking for housing. i was thinking about living at chatsworth towers since its not too expensive. do you guys know about chatsworth towers, is it clean, quiet, do you know if other med students live there?

i would really appreciate it if someone could help me out because i have to sign the lease soon.

thanks.

Don't know if you all got the email re: PDAs, but they sent out a link to Dell for their pockect pc - it is www.dell.com/Wayne. However, apparently the minimum specs that the university sent out were wrong, so the RAM and ROM requirements were switched - should be 128 MB ROM, and 32 MB RAM. Just an FYI

I'll post my site again becuase more people are coming to this thread.

I have some pictures I took (as well as pricing and opinions) of a bunch of downtown detroit apartments. Its pretty rough, but it should give an idea about them.

Detroit Downtown Apartments (http://www.homepagepro.com/detroit/)

Good luck finding places.

Hello and Welcome to Wayne State University School of Medicine,

I'm a rising MIV and have had a great experience thus far at Wayne. I've remained active in all of the classes because I know that school can get hectic and its always nice to have someone with experience to get advice from.

I just signed up today and haven't taken the time to read the entire thread and I'm a little busy right now so if you have a question or comment just repost so I can answer them.

A little background on myself: I grew up in the northern suburbs of Detroit went to Michigan and am now at Wayne. Needless to say I know the area pretty well. I currently live in the city and am a strong advocate for the city.

Current advice to everyone: Have fun before school starts....as much fun as you can because grad school is a step up from undergrad.

Good Luck and I look forward to meeting you all.

A little background on myself: I grew up in the northern suburbs of Detroit went to Michigan and am now at Wayne. Needless to say I know the area pretty well. I currently live in the city and am a strong advocate for the city. I grew up privileged but have maintained humility due to my upbringing and my drive to understand and give.

This is good to hear, because I also grew up in the suburbs, and went to Michigan, so I've lived in Ann Arbor for the past 4 years. I'm planning on living in the city, mainly because I just really don't want to deal with the commute, but I am a little nervous about it, just because it will be my first time living in a city like that. Just out of curiousity, where did you live and what would you recommend? I'm looking at some apartments on the riverfront and also laffayete and windsor tower this weekend so hopefully one of those will work out well!
Thanks a lot!

This is good to hear, because I also grew up in the suburbs, and went to Michigan, so I've lived in Ann Arbor for the past 4 years. I'm planning on living in the city, mainly because I just really don't want to deal with the commute, but I am a little nervous about it, just because it will be my first time living in a city like that. Just out of curiousity, where did you live and what would you recommend? I'm looking at some apartments on the riverfront and also laffayete and windsor tower this weekend so hopefully one of those will work out well!
Thanks a lot!


I do not know windsor tower so I will not be able to comment on that location.

I lived in Trolley Plaza my first two years of medical school. I had a one bedroom at $600/mo + $60/mo(parking). It was a little on the expensive side but it was a good location and I lived on the 28th floor and was able to look into Comerica Park. I was a little isolated and knew 4-5 other students in the building. Personally, it was good for the first two years to put my nose down and grind it out in seclusion. But, from what I have seen and heard the place has gone down hill since I've left. Management changed and it was not for the better. Plus there is massive construction going on in the area for preparations for the Super Bowl so it gets a little noisey and there is no visitors parking.

Currently I live in Lafayette Towers with two roommates and I love it. I've been here for a year and have had no problems. During third year you learn more on the job instead of reading for hours on end so its nice to come home and chill with people. Plus there are around 20-30 med students in the complex. I pay 1150/mo divided by 3 and 90/mo for parking divided by 3 so a total of 412/mo for a three bedroom with a killer view of the city. People have actually used our apartment as a backdrop for a movie. There is visitor's parking available. Security has not been an issue. School is about 5-7 minutes away.

Riverfront: I took a look at it when I first started. It is really nice and has a great view of the River and Windsor but the rent is a little more expensive. I don't know the current figures. Security is quite tight. Visitor's partking is available. There are probably as many or a little bit more med students who live there. I have heard some rumors that they are converting some of the units into condos. School is about 7-10 minutes away.

Other places you may want to look into are Millender Center and Lafayette Pavillion.

You have to be comfortable and happy with where you live because added stress is the last thing you want.

Happy hunting.

If anyone's interested, we (two rising fourth-years pending an OSCE this weekend) have a room opening up in our townhouse in Saint Clair Shores as soon as August or as late as November 2005. ~$325/month, e-mail me at r_steffner@hotmail.com with questions or specifics. Congrats to all of you on choosing Wayne, it's an experience. :D

If anyone's interested, we (two rising fourth-years pending an OSCE this weekend) have a room opening up in our townhouse in Saint Clair Shores as soon as August or as late as November 2005. ~$325/month, e-mail me at r_steffner@hotmail.com with questions or specifics. Congrats to all of you on choosing Wayne, it's an experience. :D


haha... i like how u said, "it's an experience", w/o saying whether it was bad or good...

i'm from Grand Rapids (west michigan) and just found an apt in downtown detroit. i thought about living in one of the suburbs, but i just don't want to spend so much time communting in rush-hour traffic.
the place i'll live is very, very secure (definitely not in ghetto where wayne is located). it's on the river, is a gated community, with security points at the main entrance (the gate) & each of the buildings. plus, a security alarm system is in every apartment. i feel very comfortable about moving there and it's only 10 minutes from campus (with NO highway driving). :)

rae

i'm also from westside... muskegon area.

Hey how’s it going future warriors… I know a lot of you are scrambling around for housing right now, but I have another problem that I don’t think has been discussed. I was wondering what everyone is doing for a car. I am going to live with my brother next year since he bought a house in Royal Oak. Therefore, I need a car. Having cheap rent next year (I’m giving my brother 225 dollars/month including utilities) I think I would have enough in my financial aid package to either get a cheap used car or a cheap lease. GM has a discount for everyone in June, so the Pontiac G6 would be a little over 200/month for 3 years. I was wondering what everyone else had done for a car? I’m leaning toward the lease because if anything breaks it will still be covered on warranty. However, the three-year lease won’t even get me through med school and that 200 dollars a month adds up quickly.

Hey how’s it going future warriors… I know a lot of you are scrambling around for housing right now, but I have another problem that I don’t think has been discussed. I was wondering what everyone is doing for a car. I am going to live with my brother next year since he bought a house in Royal Oak. Therefore, I need a car. Having cheap rent next year (I’m giving my brother 225 dollars/month including utilities) I think I would have enough in my financial aid package to either get a cheap used car or a cheap lease. GM has a discount for everyone in June, so the Pontiac G6 would be a little over 200/month for 3 years. I was wondering what everyone else had done for a car? I’m leaning toward the lease because if anything breaks it will still be covered on warranty. However, the three-year lease won’t even get me through med school and that 200 dollars a month adds up quickly.

While there are some advantages to leasing, I have never been a fan of it. The main reason for that is that I have always heard (and when I did the math it was the case) that leasing is a horrible financial move.
Related to the financial issues is the fact that owning your vehicle has some benefits as well – including the freedom to make any modifications to the vehicle that you want and no limit on the number of many miles you drive (might become an issue while interviewing for residency during fourth year).
Also, something to consider is that your insurance will be most likely be higher for a leased vehicle vs. a used car. Before you go car shopping you might give your insurance company a call and get a quote for each of the cars that you are considering (helped me to save major $ by ruling out a car last time I was car shopping).

Disclaimer: I have always owned my cars, so my opinion is coming from that standpoint.

P.S. on the housing issue, I have some open bedrooms in a house I am renting in Grosse Pointe (about 15 – 20 minutes from school); if anyone would like some more information about it PM me.

Hey how’s it going future warriors… I know a lot of you are scrambling around for housing right now, but I have another problem that I don’t think has been discussed. I was wondering what everyone is doing for a car. I am going to live with my brother next year since he bought a house in Royal Oak. Therefore, I need a car. Having cheap rent next year (I’m giving my brother 225 dollars/month including utilities) I think I would have enough in my financial aid package to either get a cheap used car or a cheap lease. GM has a discount for everyone in June, so the Pontiac G6 would be a little over 200/month for 3 years. I was wondering what everyone else had done for a car? I’m leaning toward the lease because if anything breaks it will still be covered on warranty. However, the three-year lease won’t even get me through med school and that 200 dollars a month adds up quickly.


getting a car is a bad investment no matter what, heh... no matter what it is going to depreciate in value. except when you lease, you dont get to keep what you paid for!

i really am biased though bc i have never leased a car, although my parents have leased plenty. i know my parents like it bc at the end of the 3 years or whatever, they get a new car which is what they planned on anyways. however, i think unless you have stable income, it is probably best to buy a car because you might not be able afford making payments forever. you can buy a car for $200-300/month over 2-3 years.. this is what i am doing and i will be done paying within the next year and i only have 17k miles on it... so i am fairly certain my 2003 car will last me a while longer and i will have no payments except maintenance, fuel, insurance, etc

bah...i still have not received my finanical aid package... it's been over a month since i turned things in. i have called them once a week since and still the same old, "we are really behind", blah blah... :confused:

Hi everyone!

Just thought I'd post and say hello. I will be headed to Wayne this year and am definitely looking forward to meeting everyone. I am originally from Bloomfield (MI) and will probably commute this year and see how that works. Any one else commuting? If so, what are you all doing about parking during the day?

Also, has anyone received any finaid info at all??? I also turned in my stuff ages ago, and have been getting the run around. :confused:

OK here's the deal:

i finally called the finaid office yesterday to see what the delay was all about and it turned out that they claimed to have never even received my stuff!

Now, I had it sent regular USPS but I actually went in and handed it to a postal worked and had them postmark it, just to avoid the odd possibility that it gets stuck in the mailbox or something. In my opinion i think they just lost it :thumbdown due to carelessness.

So yesterday I Fed-Exed in a whole new set of documents, and I just got a call saying that page 2 of my tax form was missing, when I proceeded to tell the woman that page one and page two were on the same page so how could it be missing (double sided printing :D ) she finally admitted that she accidently shredded the form and needed me to send it again! UGH! :eek:
At this point I'm thinking well at least it was shredded 'cause who knows where my first batch of tax forms with SSN, address, passport, and income are? I'm just hoping no one steals my (or my parents) iddentity.

bottom line: CALL AND CHECK ON THESE PEOPLE!

Hi everyone!

Just thought I'd post and say hello. I will be headed to Wayne this year and am definitely looking forward to meeting everyone. I am originally from Bloomfield (MI) and will probably commute this year and see how that works. Any one else commuting? If so, what are you all doing about parking during the day?

Also, has anyone received any finaid info at all??? I also turned in my stuff ages ago, and have been getting the run around. :confused:

I'll be living in Detroit, a few miles from campus, so although I won't be commuting nearly as far as you, I will be driving to classes. I actually emailed them yesterday to ask about parking, and was told that you can purchase a parking pass during orientation, so thats what I'm planning on doing. Not sure how much it costs, but hopefully no more than 400-500 dollars for the year!

Hi everyone!

Just thought I'd post and say hello. I will be headed to Wayne this year and am definitely looking forward to meeting everyone. I am originally from Bloomfield (MI) and will probably commute this year and see how that works. Any one else commuting? If so, what are you all doing about parking during the day?

Also, has anyone received any finaid info at all??? I also turned in my stuff ages ago, and have been getting the run around. :confused:


i'll have a 20-25 mile commute from belleville... not looking forward to the driving, but i am glad that i will be living in a much better area, with better facilities, and a much better price!

Hey everyone, I was really excited about starting this August, but I recently received an offer to stay in Canada for school and made a very difficult decision to withdraw from WSU.

Hopefully someone on this board still waiting got some happy news.

I'll be living in Detroit, a few miles from campus, so although I won't be commuting nearly as far as you, I will be driving to classes. I actually emailed them yesterday to ask about parking, and was told that you can purchase a parking pass during orientation, so thats what I'm planning on doing. Not sure how much it costs, but hopefully no more than 400-500 dollars for the year!


There is a structure right across the street from school that you can access during the day. Your information is correct that it will be between 400-500 for the year(may be a little more due to inflation). With this pass you also get access to a parking structure near main campus and the Recreation and Fitness Center.

peace

so i'm not sure my parents will have the money to loan me for all of these preliminary bills that are due before financial aid come in... parking, insurance, first month rent, balh blah... did anyone put this kinda thing on a credit card? i have some money saved up, but not enough given i have had to make car payments, car insurance payments, balh blah blah....

have u guys received any mail lately from wayne? do we need any immunizations or anything? do we need to send them any of htat? i havent gotten anything in months.... does anyone have a schedule yet?

I haven’t received anything in months either. I don’t know what immunizations we need or what our schedule is. I called about the immunizations and they told me that we need the standard shots that we needed for school and I believe a hep B shot as well. I’m getting my physical this week and hopefully a hep B shot too. I’m hoping that’s all I have to do. I guess we’ll see. Wayne doesn’t seem to be that big on sending out information. I guess I’m used to Michigan who sent out letter after letter as an undergrad.

I haven’t received anything in months either. I don’t know what immunizations we need or what our schedule is. I called about the immunizations and they told me that we need the standard shots that we needed for school and I believe a hep B shot as well. I’m getting my physical this week and hopefully a hep B shot too. I’m hoping that’s all I have to do. I guess we’ll see. Wayne doesn’t seem to be that big on sending out information. I guess I’m used to Michigan who sent out letter after letter as an undergrad.

Seriously. This non-communication is keeping me in denial about starting school in LESS THAN 3 WEEKS!!!!!!

I got my physical last week, and told the nurse/doctor that I needed a general physical and that it would be ok to use a general sports physical form... Well, they used the MHSAA (MI high school athletic ass.) form, and it seems kind-of lame. Most of it is a sports permission form for parents to sign, while a small portion is used to indicate any health problems. Will this work? What a pain......

have u guys received any mail lately from wayne? do we need any immunizations or anything? do we need to send them any of htat? i havent gotten anything in months.... does anyone have a schedule yet?

For what it is worth:
Before I started at WSU-SOM I was told that they tend to function under a “need-to-know” mentality. Which means you will hear nothing :mad: until they think you need to know it – which sometimes is the morning of :eek: .
I will admit that there were a few exceptions to that, but if you plan on that happening then you’ll be pleasantly surprised on the occasions when you get adequate advance notice.

As for your schedule, I think that you can plan on starting orientation on the first Monday of August, with classes starting the following Monday.

Also, do not send them any of your medical records/physical forms. Just bring copies (for them) with you to registration, that way they won’t get as much of a chance to loss them but if they truly need them you can just leave the copy with them.

One other bit of wisdom: always keep a copy of anything that you submit a hard copy of (especially class assignments). That way when they loss your stuff you won’t get burned too badly.

The MHSAA sports physical will work just fine even though it is kind of lame to use. Last year, I also brought my little book listing of all my immunizations and the sheet verifying that my ppd skin test was negative. If you are looking for a place to get your skin test, you can get it at the occupational health area at UHC for $15. I made sure I had copies of everything because as was said before, Wayne holds no responsibility for losing things. They are gunhoe about charging $180 for anyone who has not had or started the HepB series yet so either start the series before registration or bite the bullet.

Hope that helps!

so u guys all have your pda's already? i heard from a few friends at wayne that the pda's really arent that necessary for the first 2 years, and that if we bought them now, they would be outdated by yrs 3&4. i was kind of holding off, but now i ran acrossed a good deal....

For what it is worth:
Before I started at WSU-SOM I was told that they tend to function under a “need-to-know” mentality. Which means you will hear nothing :mad: until they think you need to know it – which sometimes is the morning of :eek: .
I will admit that there were a few exceptions to that, but if you plan on that happening then you’ll be pleasantly surprised on the occasions when you get adequate advance notice.

As for your schedule, I think that you can plan on starting orientation on the first Monday of August, with classes starting the following Monday.

Also, do not send them any of your medical records/physical forms. Just bring copies (for them) with you to registration, that way they won’t get as much of a chance to loss them but if they truly need them you can just leave the copy with them.

One other bit of wisdom: always keep a copy of anything that you submit a hard copy of (especially class assignments). That way when they loss your stuff you won’t get burned too badly.


haha... thanks for the advice!

I know this was probably discussed before but I was curious what lender everyone chose? … because there doesn’t seem to be that big of a difference.

… and to go along with fun8stuff's post, I was also wondering if we really needed the PDA for year one?

Hey guys. Congrats to all of you who r in med school and good luck to those trying to get in. I will be applying to WSU this year and had a few questions.

Does WSU prefer instate students?

What kind of questions did they ask you during the interview?

How much does extra curricular matter at Wayne state?

Thanks in advance.

Hey guys. Congrats to all of you who r in med school and good luck to those trying to get in. I will be applying to WSU this year and had a few questions.

Does WSU prefer instate students?

What kind of questions did they ask you during the interview?

How much does extra curricular matter at Wayne state?

Thanks in advance.

1) they accept more instate applicants than out of state. see their website for details.
2) Past Interiew Questions: http://www.studentdoctor.net/interview/interview_read.asp
3) ECs matter a good amount, the most important being clinical experience and research. There is no objective way to know this, but if you read their site they tell a great deal about what kind of ECs are favorable.

In regards to the administrative inefficiency at Wayne, it works both ways. You can get away with a lot of stuff too. I know someone who didn't even pay tuition until May. So, don't get too stressed out, you will know if they really need something.

is anyone going to that pre-orientation day on the 29th?

is anyone going to that pre-orientation day on the 29th?

what is "pre-orientation day"? Is that something new this year? I do not recall hearing anything about such a think a year ago.

If you are thinking to show up to register during "regular registration" (vs. the early registration that some of us did after our last exam a couple of months ago) for second year's I do not think that they'll let you do that.

what is "pre-orientation day"? Is that something new this year? I do not recall hearing anything about such a think a year ago.

If you are thinking to show up to register during "regular registration" (vs. the early registration that some of us did after our last exam a couple of months ago) for second year's I do not think that they'll let you do that.
I think they are referring to the Study workshop on July 29. Apparently some people got an email while others didn't. I didn't set the email, Rut I worid like to go..

Dear Class of 2009,

During Orientation Week, there will be parties organized for ya'll. Please take advantage of this opportunity to meet your classmates and to explore your new surroundings. You'll be around the area for 4 years so get comfortable right off the bat. Plus you don't really need to full consciousness for orientation.

Welcome to Detroit.

just sitting in orientation .. so do u guys find this as exciting as me?

just sitting in orientation .. so do u guys find this as exciting as me?

Man, how can they make this sooooo long :rolleyes:

I skipped the second part in the auditorium today... to play on my laptop in the cafetaria.

Man, how can they make this sooooo long :rolleyes:

I skipped the second part in the auditorium today... to play on my laptop in the cafetaria.

Already a skipper! That's my kinda person! :clap: :laugh: It didn't take me too long last year to start skipping the stupid irrelevant lectures and the lectures with the worst profs.... Probably will start skipping things next week or so.

The good thing about Wayne is they videotape all the lectures and post them on blackboard about 1-2 days later. You don't ever have to go into Scott Hall except for labs and small group sessions! ;)

Already a skipper! That's my kinda person! :clap: :laugh: It didn't take me too long last year to start skipping the stupid irrelevant lectures and the lectures with the worst profs.... Probably will start skipping things next week or so.

The good thing about Wayne is they videotape all the lectures and post them on blackboard about 1-2 days later. You don't ever have to go into Scott Hall except for labs and small group sessions! ;)

Except as first years yo