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gridiron
10-18-2006, 06:00 PM
Pressure = Force/Area, correct?
I was always under the assumption that the way a bullet penetrates anything is because of the high pressure it applies. But a bullet applies no force, right? The bullet is not accelerating when it hits an object. Therefore, a bullet can't apply a force or apply any pressure to an object it hits.

So, is the reason why bullets can go through objects because its kinetic energy is converted into other forms of energy, like heat, and work (i.e. ripping apart wood, stone, flesh, etc.)?

Is there some term for momentum/area? Because it seems intuitive that the more pointed the bullet, the better it will penetrate an object, so there must be some way for the area over which the energy is exerted can be considered.

Can anyone confirm this?

To answer your last question first: There is a momentum term. Consider the change in momentum as a bullet strikes its object: if the area over which it strikes is small it will penetrate to a greater extent because the force of the bullet will act over a small interval of time. If the force were spread over a large area, so the time over which the force acts is increased, the energy will be absorbed and penetration should be minimal. This is how bullet proof vests work. The material, like polyethylene plates, catches the bullet and spread the force of the bullet over a large area. Since the time over which the force acts is increased, the bullet is brought to stop. This is why when you throw an egg to the ground it breaks but if you throw it against padding like cloth it stays intact--this is a form of impulse. A bullet will penetrate an object like wood because its energy is converted into other forms but also because the force of the bullet acts on a small area over a short time. So, a bullet does apply a force because it has acceleration. Newton’s third law states that the force the bullet applies to the block is equal but opposite in magnitude to the force the wood applies to the bullet. A good example of this is seen in a football game. When a defensive player hits the opposing player very hard, sometimes the defensive player falls back as a result. Why? Because the force with which the defensive player hit is opponent is exerted back onto him in equal but opposite magnitude. Pressure does play a role in reasoning why a bullet penetrates an object but a better explanation would be using Newton’s third law, momentum and impulse. I hope this helps!!

hmcalley
10-19-2006, 05:17 AM
I have a few questions for future MCAT takers. What topics would you like to see with greater explanation in the physics thread? Would you like more real world applications to problems in order to getter a better grasp of the material? Suggestions are welcome!

Electrostatics... (or electrodynamics... I don't know what's the difference...) Anything to do with explaining equations like W=q(delta V), F=qE... and concepts like electric field, electric potential...

(I was coming in here to look at the physics topic explanation thread but didn't see much about them and then I saw your post : )

Do people usually have a hard time on this topic because I have been staring at this electrodynamics chapter from NOVA for couple of hours now (plus after taking notes and re-reading the electrostatics chapter from Kaplan for the last day or so) and still feel like I know nothing... I don't get V and W : ( ? (I did the topical test from Kaplan and got a 56%... When I was doing the passages, I felt like I didn't know English...What the heck is going on...!!!! Sorry for venting here... at least part of my post is relevant, right?... Now going to do some more electrodynamics problems..)

gridiron
10-19-2006, 08:30 AM
Electrostatics... (or electrodynamics... I don't know what's the difference...) Anything to do with explaining equations like W=q(delta V), F=qE... and concepts like electric field, electric potential...

(I was coming in here to look at the physics topic explanation thread but didn't see much about them and then I saw your post : )

Do people usually have a hard time on this topic because I have been staring at this electrodynamics chapter from NOVA for couple of hours now (plus after taking notes and re-reading the electrostatics chapter from Kaplan for the last day or so) and still feel like I know nothing... I don't get V and W : ( ? (I did the topical test from Kaplan and got a 56%... When I was doing the passages, I felt like I didn't know English...What the heck is going on...!!!! Sorry for venting here... at least part of my post is relevant, right?... Now going to do some more electrodynamics problems..)

Ok! I will post an explanation with real world examples in the next couple of days.

UMP
10-19-2006, 08:44 AM
Electrostatics... (or electrodynamics... I don't know what's the difference...) Anything to do with explaining equations like W=q(delta V), F=qE... and concepts like electric field, electric potential...

(I was coming in here to look at the physics topic explanation thread but didn't see much about them and then I saw your post : )

Do people usually have a hard time on this topic because I have been staring at this electrodynamics chapter from NOVA for couple of hours now (plus after taking notes and re-reading the electrostatics chapter from Kaplan for the last day or so) and still feel like I know nothing... I don't get V and W : ( ? (I did the topical test from Kaplan and got a 56%... When I was doing the passages, I felt like I didn't know English...What the heck is going on...!!!! Sorry for venting here... at least part of my post is relevant, right?... Now going to do some more electrodynamics problems..)

topicals from Kaplan are meant to be hard... I usually got in that range too.

I highly recommend EK (which should be available through the SDN bookstore) because they have a great analogy comparing circuits to pipes and gravity (it makes sense after you read it)... basing off of that analogy everything else is right down hill :thumbup: And what they teach you in EK, is all you need to know for the MCAT

superwillis
10-19-2006, 01:21 PM
Just remember.. decceleration is still acceleration!

Yeaaahh. I feel kinda retarded for forgetting that. Thanks for the answer tho!

hmcalley
10-20-2006, 01:45 AM
topicals from Kaplan are meant to be hard... I usually got in that range too.

I highly recommend EK (which should be available through the SDN bookstore) because they have a great analogy comparing circuits to pipes and gravity (it makes sense after you read it)... basing off of that analogy everything else is right down hill :thumbup: And what they teach you in EK, is all you need to know for the MCAT

It is good to know I am not the only one doing really bad in the topicals. But I am pretty worried because when I was doing the passages, I felt like I didn't understand what the heck they were asking. I guess I have to just keep practicing. Thanks for the suggestion with EK, UMP. And looking forward to BioMedEngineer's addition to the physics topics!

I have an electric field question...

Two parallel metal plates are charged in order to create a uniform electric field between them which points up (see figure in MS doc.). A water molecule can be modeled as a simple dipole, that is having a negative end (the oxygen atom) and a positive end (the hydrogen atoms). If a water molecule is placed between the two plates, which orientation would it take to minimize its energy? (Please open MS doc to see answer choices).

I think I understand why A and B are high in energy... because in that orientation, the water molecule would experience a torque, clockwise and counter closckwise, respectively.

But I am not sure why D is higher in energy than C??? For both C and D, the net force on the water molecule is 0, right? For the water molecule in C, wouldn't it be stretched apart... and D, the molecule be compressed...

I am confused!!!

The answer given in the book doesn't help much. It says, C is correct. The positive end of the water molecule would experience a force in the same direction as the electric field, that is, up. The negative end of the molecule would experience a force in the opposite direction of the electric field, that is, down. The energy would be minimized, therefore, if the hydrogen end pointed up and the oxygen end down, so C is the answer.

heymanooh1
10-20-2006, 02:28 AM
It is good to know I am not the only one doing really bad in the topicals. But I am pretty worried because when I was doing the passages, I felt like I didn't understand what the heck they were asking. I guess I have to just keep practicing. Thanks for the suggestion with EK, UMP. And looking forward to BioMedEngineer's addition to the physics topics!

I have an electric field question...

Two parallel metal plates are charged in order to create a uniform electric field between them which points up (see figure in MS doc.). A water molecule can be modeled as a simple dipole, that is having a negative end (the oxygen atom) and a positive end (the hydrogen atoms). If a water molecule is placed between the two plates, which orientation would it take to minimize its energy? (Please open MS doc to see answer choices).

I think I understand why A and B are high in energy... because in that orientation, the water molecule would experience a torque, clockwise and counter closckwise, respectively.

But I am not sure why D is higher in energy than C??? For both C and D, the net force on the water molecule is 0, right? For the water molecule in C, wouldn't it be stretched apart... and D, the molecule be compressed...

I am confused!!!

The answer given in the book doesn't help much. It says, C is correct. The positive end of the water molecule would experience a force in the same direction as the electric field, that is, up. The negative end of the molecule would experience a force in the opposite direction of the electric field, that is, down. The energy would be minimized, therefore, if the hydrogen end pointed up and the oxygen end down, so C is the answer.You need to figure out how the electric dipole moment vector (p) is aligned with respect to the electric field vector (E) from the choices given.

Then use the definition of electric potential energy (U) for a dipole in an electric field. U = negative of the dot product between the vectors p and E = - p dot E = -p E cos theta, where theta is the angle between the vectors p and E.

hmcalley
10-21-2006, 12:34 AM
You need to figure out how the electric dipole moment vector (p) is aligned with respect to the electric field vector (E) from the choices given.

Then use the definition of electric potential energy (U) for a dipole in an electric field. U = negative of the dot product between the vectors p and E = - p dot E = -p E cos theta, where theta is the angle between the vectors p and E.

I thought that any dipole that experiences an external electric field will align its dipole moment with that electric field. (This is based on the idea that when placed in an external electric field, a dipole feels no translational force because net force is equal in magnitude but in opposite direction. But, the dipole will feel nonzero torque. Torque=Fdsin theta=qEdsin theta=pEsin theta. Therefore, torque will make dipole rotate so dipole moment, ρ, aligns with the electric field.)

I don't know if my reasoning is correct... not good at this physics stuff...

If my explanation works, then eventually any molecular orientation (given the same molecule) will have the same U according to U=-pEcos theta, right? Then, won't all the choices have the same energy?

Is there a different way to explain this problem (post#606) because the book that I got the question from didn't talk about electric dipoles at all?

I still really appreciate your response though because I didn't think about the problem this way. Thanks!

heymanooh1
10-21-2006, 02:13 AM
I thought that any dipole that experiences an external electric field will align its dipole moment with that electric field. (This is based on the idea that when placed in an external electric field, a dipole feels no translational force because net force is equal in magnitude but in opposite direction. But, the dipole will feel nonzero torque. Torque=Fdsin theta=qEdsin theta=pEsin theta. Therefore, torque will make dipole rotate so dipole moment, ρ, aligns with the electric field.)

I don't know if my reasoning is correct... not good at this physics stuff...

If my explanation works, then eventually any molecular orientation (given the same molecule) will have the same U according to U=-pEcos theta, right? Then, won't all the choices have the same energy?

Is there a different way to explain this problem (post#606) because the book that I got the question from didn't talk about electric dipoles at all?

I still really appreciate your response though because I didn't think about the problem this way. Thanks!You are getting hung up on torque when the question is asking for the the potential energy of the dipolar molecule in a uniform electric field vector E. Why would you use the torque equation for a dipole in an electric field to calculate U?

The problem with using the torque equation is that it directly calculates the work done by E on the dipole. In order to do that, the problem would need to give an initial and final theta value since W (on a dipole by vector E) = - integral (p E sin theta d-theta) = - p E (cos theta final - cos theta initial). How can U be calculated if theta initial and final aren't given?

Like I said before, look at the orientations of the of dipole moment vector p for each choice with respect to the electric field vector. By definition, p within in a dipolar molecule goes from partial negative to partial positive charge. Since water has two atoms that are partial positive charges, the superpostion principle for vectors needs to be used to find the net directional orientation of p for water.

Once you know the vectoral orientation of p with respect to vector E for each choice, the potential energy of the dipole can be calculated using U = - p E cos theta. From the orientation of the molecules as given in the choices, two of them will have U = 0, one will have Umax and one will have Umin.

The tendency of dipoles in an electric field is to orient vector p parallel to E because it achieves the lowest energy state. And systems, whether physical, chemical or biological, always prefer minimum energy, relative to some reference value, because it's the most stable.

tik-tik-clock
10-29-2006, 01:20 AM
Can someone please explain me this

For the vertical component, if the angle is increased from 45°, the vertical component of the initial velocity of the clown would increase

Is this simply due to the formula v=vo sin theta

tik-tik-clock
10-29-2006, 01:21 AM
If the angle deviates from 45°, then, the horizontal distance traveled would decrease.

can someone explain me this as well please

kakashi74
10-29-2006, 02:37 AM
Answer to your first question:
Yes.

Second question: the maximum distance an object will travel is if it is fired at 45 degrees. Anything other than 45 degrees and it will travel less than maximum. It's too complicated to explain the math behind this, but you can think of it as a balancing act between gravity and Vx. If the object takes off at too shallow of an angle, gravity will pull it down and it doesn't take long for the object to fall to the ground. If you fire it at too steep of an angle, it will stay in the air longer, but there is not enough Vx to make it travel the horizontal distance.
45 degrees is right in the middle.

tik-tik-clock
10-29-2006, 03:00 AM
thanks kakashi, that makes a lot more sense:)

tik-tik-clock
10-29-2006, 03:05 AM
If the mass of a clown doubles, his initial kinetic energy, mv02/2, will:
remain the same
be reduced in half
double
quadruple

I dont understand whhy we use the equation of impulse to solve this problem:
Ft=mv

My way:

I just substituted m=2m in the equation of KE , ie .5 mv^2 and thus got the KE to be doubling, which is wrong, because the right answer is that the initial KE eneergy is halved
I understand the explanation of wen we use the impulse formula how we come up with .5 , but I am not sure why we are using the Impulse formula

heymanooh1
11-01-2006, 03:37 PM
If the mass of a clown doubles, his initial kinetic energy, mv02/2, will:
remain the same
be reduced in half
double
quadruple

I dont understand whhy we use the equation of impulse to solve this problem:
Ft=mv

My way:

I just substituted m=2m in the equation of KE , ie .5 mv^2 and thus got the KE to be doubling, which is wrong, because the right answer is that the initial KE eneergy is halved
I understand the explanation of wen we use the impulse formula how we come up with .5 , but I am not sure why we are using the Impulse formula
For initial conditions, the clown has twice as much inertia in resisting the external force acting on it which is the gravitational field in this case.

nontypicalazn
11-15-2006, 06:28 PM
Hi, If i have an AC power source wired parallel to a Volt meter, and then together serially wired to an Amp meter, then serially wired to an unknown load, what is the power delivered to/across/dissipated (if they make any difference) by the unknown load, when volt and amp meters are ideal? Thanks

gridiron
11-15-2006, 11:22 PM
Hi, If i have an AC power source wired parallel to a Volt meter, and then together serially wired to an Amp meter, then serially wired to an unknown load, what is the power delivered to/across/dissipated (if they make any difference) by the unknown load, when volt and amp meters are ideal? Thanks

Hey. If the voltmeter is ideal than it will have infinite resistance. This is similar to an open circuit. (In reality this cannot be constructed). An ideal ammeter will have negligent resistance. Compared to the voltmeter, you want the ammeter to have a small resistance because if I interpreted your question correctly the ammeter is in series with an unknown load, so you want alternating current flowing through the load. Let's assume the unknown load is a resistive load. If we assume steady-state operation, the net transfer of energy will be from the power source to resistor where energy will be dissipated as thermal energy. The instantaneous rate at which energy will be dissipated across the resistor can be modeled according to the following equation:

P = i^2R
Where i is the current and R is the resistance. It is important to note that i represents the alternating current. We can model the current as:

i = Isin(wt-φ)
Where I is the amplitude of the driving current, and wt-φ is the phase. The phase is included in the equation because the current may not be in phase with the power source.

If you substitute the above value in the equation for i you get:
P = I^2Rsin^2(wt-φ).

If you want the average energy, you should take the above equation over time. However, the sin function is a odd function. So over one cycle, the average value comes out to zero. If we take the absolute value of the sin function, or take the average power of sin^2, we get 0.5. So regardless of phase we can introduce a new equation for average power:

P avg = 0.5I^2R
or
P avg = (I/square root of 2)^2R


I/square root of 2 is the root mean square value of the current. Therefore, we obtain our final equation to represent the energy dissipated across the load:

P avg = I^2(rms)*R

One thing we need to define is the rms values of voltage:
V rms = V/square root of 2

This has important implications. Suppose we insert an ac voltmeter into our household electrical outlet. It should theoretically read 120 volts. However, that is the rms voltage. The maximum potential difference across the outlet is actually (square root of 2)*120 volts or about 170 volts.

I hope this helps. Good luck:luck:.

nontypicalazn
11-16-2006, 06:11 AM
thanks BME, maybe i shouldve indicated it, but V and I here are assumed to be in rms. Don't you have to take into consideration of the capacitor and inductors in the unknown load, hence include the phase angle into the power as well, which makes P = IV cos phi ??

the question was multiple choice, i was left with 2 choices:
a. the power delivered = I*V.
c. the power delivered possibly = I*V even if there's inductor and capacitors.

also,is there such a thing as delivered power to a load in circuit vs. dissipated power by a load??

thanks

gridiron
11-16-2006, 10:21 PM
thanks BME, maybe i shouldve indicated it, but V and I here are assumed to be in rms. Don't you have to take into consideration of the capacitor and inductors in the unknown load, hence include the phase angle into the power as well, which makes P = IV cos phi ??

the question was multiple choice, i was left with 2 choices:
a. the power delivered = I*V.
c. the power delivered possibly = I*V even if there's inductor and capacitors.

also,is there such a thing as delivered power to a load in circuit vs. dissipated power by a load??

thanks

You have to take into consideration the capacitor and inductor when the circuit is modeled as an RLC circuit. If it is a series RLC circuit than there will be an impedance driving the angular frequency of the circuit. The average power can than be calculated once the impedance for the circuit is evaluated. That is when the average power comes out to:

P avg = (Vrms)(Irms)cos(phi)

Cos(phi) is the power factor. Cos is an even function so cos x = cos -x and therefor the power factor is independent of the sign of the phase constant. To maximize the energy which is supplied to a resistive load, the power factor needs to be close to unity. This is not possible in application. Therefore, I would reason the answer to be c because the phase constant has to be zero in order for the power factor to be unity. However, the phase constant can only be reduced by connecting more capacitance in series but the phase can never be actually zero. So the power is more or less V(rms)I(rms). The power factor is only 1, when the phase is zero, when an ac circuit only has resistive load.

This has a very interesting application. Transmission lines carry very high voltage and very low current to minimize power loss. Another thing companies do is place more capacitors in series in order to reduce the phase constant and increase the power factor.

To answer your last question, no there is no difference between the energy supplied and dissipated by a resistive load. It is the same thing because of conservation energy.

I hope this helps and :luck:.

nontypicalazn
11-17-2006, 12:17 AM
I understand in resistive (pure) load, power is conserved, but it seems that when the load is partially resistive and reactive, the power will be returned to the source right?

thanks for the answers BME!

gridiron
11-17-2006, 10:24 PM
I understand in resistive (pure) load, power is conserved, but it seems that when the load is partially resistive and reactive, the power will be returned to the source right?

thanks for the answers BME!

I believe that is the case but I am not 100% sure.

mcat_study
11-20-2006, 01:47 PM
ok, so i am really confused about capacitors, batteries, etc...
and i have constructed a chart to help me.
those of you who are great in physics, please verify it
thanks

1. charging capacitor=battery connected: V=constant; Q increase; C increase
2. discharging capacitor--> V decreasing; Q decreasing, C=constant
3. battery disconnect--> V decreasing, Q constant, C increasing
4. new higher dielectric--> V decreasing, Q constant. C increasing

we were given a similiar graph in Kaplan, but the discharging capacitor: Q=const, C decrease, V increase. i think this is incorrect???? may be it is because the teacher made a mistake or i misunderstand something.

please , help!!!!!!!!!!!!

gridiron
11-20-2006, 04:42 PM
ok, so i am really confused about capacitors, batteries, etc...
and i have constructed a chart to help me.
those of you who are great in physics, please verify it
thanks

1. charging capacitor=battery connected: V=constant; Q increase; C increase
2. discharging capacitor--> V decreasing; Q decreasing, C=constant
3. battery disconnect--> V decreasing, Q constant, C increasing
4. new higher dielectric--> V decreasing, Q constant. C increasing

we were given a similiar graph in Kaplan, but the discharging capacitor: Q=const, C decrease, V increase. i think this is incorrect???? may be it is because the teacher made a mistake or i misunderstand something.

please , help!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey!

I assume cases 1, 2 and 3 apply to a dielectric as well. If that is the case, than 1 and 3 are correct. When the battery is disconnected, the charge between the plates is trapped, so the charge is constant. When a dielectric is introduced, the capacitance will increase. According to the equation, Q=CV, if the capacitance increases, the voltage will increase as well and by the same factor. So, three and four are the same thing when you consider a battery which is disconnected and a dielectric is then introduced. Remember, C can only increase in the presence of a dielectric(C =kC where k is the dielectric constant) so the scenario in 3 cannot happen unless a dielectric is introduced. In a discharging capacitor, the capacitance stays the same but the charge and voltage decrease. This is because as the capacitor discharges, charge is lost from the plates and since the separation of charge is the basis of the potential difference between the plates, the voltage will decrease as well. Case 1 is true, but only when a dielectric is introduced. In a capacitor being charged by a battery, the voltage between the plates must match the voltage of the battery. Since the presence of a dielectric increases capacitance, the charge that can be stored will increase as well according to Q=CV. I hope this helps and good :luck:.

mcat_study
11-20-2006, 05:17 PM
Hey!

According to the equation, Q=CV, if the capacitance increases, the voltage will increase as well and by the same factor. So, three and four are the same thing when you consider a battery which is disconnected and a dielectric is then introduced. :.


hi BioMed,
thanks a lot for the input :)

did u mean Voltage decreases when C increases? in the above case, or am i missing smth????

gridiron
11-20-2006, 06:48 PM
hi BioMed,
thanks a lot for the input :)

did u mean Voltage decreases when C increases? in the above case, or am i missing smth????

Oops:o. I'm so sorry. I was typing so fast and didn't realize! Yes, the voltage will decrease when the capacitance increases according to Q=CV. Sorry for the mistake or any confusion.

Whwsf
11-27-2006, 05:20 PM
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I hav e a physics question i got from 1001 questions in physics from Examkrackers.... question number 38.... how is the answer B??

QofQuimica
11-28-2006, 08:57 PM
I hav e a physics question i got from 1001 questions in physics from Examkrackers.... question number 38.... how is the answer B??
Whwsf, we don't have the EK books, so we can't answer a question like that. You'll have to ask the actual question.

Whwsf
11-29-2006, 09:10 PM
ok.... here is the question..
A particle starts from rest and accelerates at 10 m/s^2. How long does it take for the particle to reach 45 meters??

i thought it was 4.5 seconds but it is 3 seconds.
why and how. thank you

gridiron
11-29-2006, 09:45 PM
ok.... here is the question..
A particle starts from rest and accelerates at 10 m/s^2. How long does it take for the particle to reach 45 meters??

i thought it was 4.5 seconds but it is 3 seconds.
why and how. thank you

Hey. You have to use what the Princeton Review terms as "The Big Five" Equations for kinematics. They are as follows:

1.) d = 0.5(vinitial+v)*t
where d=distance, v=velocity and t is time
2.) vfinal = vinitial + at
where a is acceleration
3.) d = vinitial*t + 0.5at^2
4.) d = vt - 0.5at^2
5.) vfinal^2 = vinitial^2 + 2ad

These are the five equations you must know for the MCAT. Notice for each there is a missing quantity:

1.) a
2.) d
3.) vfinal
4.) vinitial
5.) t

This is how you decide which equation to use in a particular situation--if a question does not ask for a particular variable, then you do not use that particular equation from the list with the missing quantity. So, if a question does not ask for a then you use 1. In our case, we are not asked for vfinal so we use 3.

d = vinitial*t + 0.5at^2
If you plug in the initial values you gave, 45 m and 10 m/s^2, you should get 3.

I hope this helps and good:luck:.

Whwsf
11-30-2006, 08:39 PM
thanx..... i was told you can solve any physics problems wuth equations 2,3,5... i never saw 1 or 4 before... please elaborate on them... thanx..

kevster2001
12-01-2006, 02:37 PM
1. it's easier to view the equation as (Vi+Vf)/2 * t . basically yo'ure finding the average velocity and multiplying it by time to find the distance traveled

4. is just d = vfinal*t - 0.5at^2 so basically you know the final velocity, the acceleration and teh time it took to reach that final velocity. with those 3 you can find how far it traveled to get there without knowing how fast it was going initially

neurodoc
12-04-2006, 09:26 PM
It's really very simple. The equation is: s=1/2at^2. Therefore t=square root of90/10, or the square eoor of 9=3 seconds.

commuter9
12-04-2006, 11:37 PM
I can't figure out this TPR problem about a J-shaped tube. The top of the tube is open and I need to find out the gauge pressure at point P. Point P is 25 meters below the top of the J, but only 5 meters below the top of the enclosed part. I thought that I would use 5 meters as my height, but the answers say to use 25 meters and not worry about the shape. This doesn't make sense when the portion above point P is enclosed (and only has a height of 5 meters). Why would we take the height of the open part in consideration?

I'm not sure if I explained this very well since I'm realizing the picture is hard to describe. Maybe someone will know what I mean.

gridiron
12-05-2006, 12:53 AM
I can't figure out this TPR problem about a J-shaped tube. The top of the tube is open and I need to find out the gauge pressure at point P. Point P is 25 meters below the top of the J, but only 5 meters below the top of the enclosed part. I thought that I would use 5 meters as my height, but the answers say to use 25 meters and not worry about the shape. This doesn't make sense when the portion above point P is enclosed (and only has a height of 5 meters). Why would we take the height of the open part in consideration?

I'm not sure if I explained this very well since I'm realizing the picture is hard to describe. Maybe someone will know what I mean.

Hey! If I understand your question correctly, you want to find the pressure at a point 25m below the exposed part of the tube? The reason you use the height of 25m and not 5m, which according to your description is the distance of the point from the closed end of the tube, is because the pressure gradient is caused by the exposed part of the tubing. For example, say you fill the J tube with mercury and hook it up to a pipe with flowing gas. Due to the pressure being exerted by the gas flow, the height of the mercury will change. But how? The gas flow exerts pressure downward on the exposed part of the tube, P=F/A. This will push the mercury and cause for a pressure gradient to develop. Due to this gradient, you get difference in height. The closed part of the tube, which is essentially a vaccum, exerts no force on the mercury and it does not affect the difference height from the initial to final position. What is important to note about these manometer problems is what causes the height difference and what you are solving for. You are solving for pressure but in the derivation of the equation (P = rho*g*h) you are taking into consideration the cause of the pressure gradient and the height change in response to the gradient. In other words, to solve for the pressure, gauge or total, you take the difference in height from the perspective of where the pressure change exists. In this case, it is due to the exposed end of the tube. To illustrate this another way, take a u-tube manometer filled with mercury which is exposed at both ends. If you were to hook this up to a pipe with gas flow, how would you find the change in height? This time, a pressure gradient exists at both ends of the tube. Depending where the pressure is greater, you will see the greater height change (p=rho*g*h). To find the overall difference in height, you would take the difference in height of the mercury between both ends of the tube--because at one end the greater pressure will push the mercury down more. In essence, to solve these types of problems, you look at what is causing the difference in height. In your case, the open end of the tube is the reason--that is why you use the distance from the open end and not the sealed end. I hope this helps and good :luck:.

newlifedrj
12-05-2006, 02:24 PM
To answer your last question first: There is a momentum term. Consider the change in momentum as a bullet strikes its object: if the area over which it strikes is small it will penetrate to a greater extent because the force of the bullet will act over a small interval of time. If the force were spread over a large area, so the time over which the force acts is increased, the energy will be absorbed and penetration should be minimal. This is how bullet proof vests work. The material, like polyethylene plates, catches the bullet and spread the force of the bullet over a large area. Since the time over which the force acts is increased, the bullet is brought to stop. This is why when you throw an egg to the ground it breaks but if you throw it against padding like cloth it stays intact--this is a form of impulse. A bullet will penetrate an object like wood because its energy is converted into other forms but also because the force of the bullet acts on a small area over a short time. So, a bullet does apply a force because it has acceleration. Newton’s third law states that the force the bullet applies to the block is equal but opposite in magnitude to the force the wood applies to the bullet. A good example of this is seen in a football game. When a defensive player hits the opposing player very hard, sometimes the defensive player falls back as a result. Why? Because the force with which the defensive player hit is opponent is exerted back onto him in equal but opposite magnitude. Pressure does play a role in reasoning why a bullet penetrates an object but a better explanation would be using Newton’s third law, momentum and impulse. I hope this helps!!


Thanks for clearing that up! This is completely true and logical. A bullet that is traveling towards a piece of wood is going to penetrate it because the bullet's force and energy is concentrated towards a certain and limited area. But when a bullet hits a bullet proof vest the vest absorbs the energy as "BioMedEngineer" said and spreads it throught the vest, therefore the bullet traveling towards the vest at the same speed as the bullet traveling towards the wood does not penetrate. Basically when the bullet came in contact with the vest it was forced not to be concentrated on one spot by the vest itself. When a bullet hits a human, or an animal for example there is nothing there to prevent it from penetrating unless the bullet hits a spot on the surface of the skin where it was some what protected by something that could've distributed it's force evenly throught the object between the bullet and the skin. I.E. a bullet hits a metal compass or something of that nature which was in between the body and the skin therefore the bullet did not penetrate the skins surface. Just my 2 centz..

lisichka
12-09-2006, 04:16 PM
hello i would like to get these facts straight. is this true that....

if a gas in isothermal system is compressed, then it follows
U=Q-W, U=0J then Q=W, and since the work is done on the system W- and Q-, which means heat flows out of system. this is the one that goes against logic, since i always thought that if gas is compressed, Q must flow into system, but oh well.... :(

in adiabatic compression
U=-W, and if W- then U is positive and internal inergy of sytem increases and temperature increases.

in isobaric compression W-, Q increases, U increases, temp increases.
please let me know if there are some bumps in the above summary.
thank you,
if there is anything else in thermo i am missing, please let me know.

thanks a bunch,
:love:
lisichka

lisichka
12-09-2006, 04:35 PM
Pic of circuit attached.....
Please help me with this circuit.....
hello, i have a question about an alternative solution........ please read on

what is R? if Req is 4.5 V

i know the right solutiion--->that we first have to find Rtotal for parallel resistors,
Rt=3R/R+3
and then substitute Rtot+3=4.5ohm and find R. BUT.... my question is why can't i first add in series the two 3 ohm resistors, and then solve for R.--->
like 3+3=6, then 1/6 + 1/R= 1/4.5 why is this wrong??

do i just have to memorize that when we have the above setup, we first wrok out parallel resistances first, and then series resistors, to find Req???

thanks. :)

gridiron
12-09-2006, 06:24 PM
hello i would like to get these facts straight. is this true that....

if a gas in isothermal system is compressed, then it follows
U=Q-W, U=0J then Q=W, and since the work is done on the system W- and Q-, which means heat flows out of system. this is the one that goes against logic, since i always thought that if gas is compressed, Q must flow into system, but oh well.... :(

in adiabatic compression
U=-W, and if W- then U is positive and internal inergy of sytem increases and temperature increases.

in isobaric compression W-, Q increases, U increases, temp increases.
please let me know if there are some bumps in the above summary.
thank you,
if there is anything else in thermo i am missing, please let me know.

thanks a bunch,
:love:
lisichka

Hey! When you are using the first law of thermodynamics to analyze a system, you must note that heat and work are inexact differentials and internal energy is an exact differential. So your first law actually is:

du = del Q - del W
And if you integrate between two points you get:
delta U = Q -W

If this problem is in context of the MCAT, you can ignore the first part of the explanation, but if this is for a thermo class the first part is essential. Some books might right the above equation as:
delta U = Q+W

It all depends on the convention you use. I usually use the first form, Q-W, where W is the work done by the gas as it expands. So if the gas expands, than the internal energy decreases and if the gas is compressed the internal energy increases.

So, if the isothermal compression is reversible, than delta U = 0 because the initial and final temperatures are the same. That leaves you with:
Q = -W
Remember, with this convention, the integral is taken from volume 1 to volume 2 where volume 2>volume 1. In this case, the gas is compressed, so your final answer will be +W. That means heat flows into the system.

For reversible adiabatic compression, Q=0 since the heat flow is zero. This leaves:
delta U = -W
Now work is done on the gas, and the internal energy increases.

Isobaric compression occurs at constant pressure. So your first law is:
delta U = Q - W

Work is done on the gas, so the internal energy increases.

There are other cases as well like: isochoric process, isothermal expansion, polytropic process. However, the extent to which you will need to know those depends on whether you are studying for the MCAT or a thermo class. Good :luck:.

gridiron
12-09-2006, 06:35 PM
Pic of circuit attached.....
Please help me with this circuit.....
hello, i have a question about an alternative solution........ please read on

what is R? if Req is 4.5 V

i know the right solutiion--->that we first have to find Rtotal for parallel resistors,
Rt=3R/R+3
and then substitute Rtot+3=4.5ohm and find R. BUT.... my question is why can't i first add in series the two 3 ohm resistors, and then solve for R.--->
like 3+3=6, then 1/6 + 1/R= 1/4.5 why is this wrong??

do i just have to memorize that when we have the above setup, we first wrok out parallel resistances first, and then series resistors, to find Req???

thanks. :)

Hey! The reason you cannot add the two resistors in series is because they are not in series. When you are given a circuit you have to look at the nodes where all the wires are connected. It helps if you follow the current from the voltage source. The current will first pass through the top 3 ohm resistor and then encounter a node, or break point. It has two options: it can travel to the other 3 ohm resistor or the unknown resistance. Depending on which resistance is greater, it will split into two different currents. That is why the unknown resistance and the 3 ohm resistance is parallel. The top 3 ohm resistor is in series to the equivalent resistance between the bottom 3 ohm resistor and the unknown resistor. So, you have to find the equivalent resistance between the 3 ohm and unknow resistance:

They are in parallel so:
1/req = 1/R + 1/3
Which turns out to be: (R+3)/3R

This is in series with the top 3 ohm resistor so:
Req = 3 + (R+3)/3R
If Req= 4.5 than, R = 3

You don't memorize the setup to determine if resistors are in series or parallel. You have to take into consideration the circuit diagram and the nodes of the circuit. If, as you follow the current through the circuit, the current splits at two points of the wire, than the resistors are in parallel. If you can follow the initial current completely from the start to finish, than the resistors are in series. I hope this helps and good :luck:.

lisichka
12-09-2006, 06:43 PM
There are other cases as well like: isochoric process, isothermal expansion, polytropic process. However, the extent to which you will need to know those depends on whether you are studying for the MCAT or a thermo class. Good :luck:.

BioMedEngineer,
thank you so much for such a thourough answer. I am studying for MCAT, but could you also expand a bit on some high-yield thermo examples for MCAT like adiabatic, isothermal expansion,as for [isochoric and polytropic (we do not need to know them>???)] .
again many thanks.:love:

gridiron
12-09-2006, 08:54 PM
BioMedEngineer,
thank you so much for such a thourough answer. I am studying for MCAT, but could you also expand a bit on some high-yield thermo examples for MCAT like adiabatic, isothermal expansion,as for [isochoric and polytropic (we do not need to know them>???)] .
again many thanks.:love:

Hey! You do not need to know polytropic process of an ideal gas. However, you will need to know adiabatic expansion, isothermal expansion, and isochoric processes. Adiabatic expansion is the expansion of the gas when there is no heat exchange with the system. The pressure decreases but the volume increases. Isothermal expansion is the expansion of a gas at constant temperature. The pressure decreases and the volume increases. Finally a isochoric process is at constant volume. During this time, there is no work done on or by the gas. During isochoric cooling, the pressure of the gas drops but during isochoric heating the pressure of the gas goes up. For the MCAT make sure you understand these concepts. I hope this helps and good :luck:.

lisichka
12-10-2006, 04:07 AM
Hey! You do not need to know polytropic process of an ideal gas. However, you will need to know adiabatic expansion, isothermal expansion, and isochoric processes. Adiabatic expansion is the expansion of the gas when there is no heat exchange with the system. The pressure decreases but the volume increases. Isothermal expansion is the expansion of a gas at constant temperature. The pressure decreases and the volume increases. Finally a isochoric process is at constant volume. During this time, there is no work done on or by the gas. During isochoric cooling, the pressure of the gas drops but during isochoric heating the pressure of the gas goes up. For the MCAT make sure you understand these concepts. I hope this helps and good :luck:.
thanks:D

pguin
12-10-2006, 09:04 AM
Hey! You do not need to know polytropic process of an ideal gas. However, you will need to know adiabatic expansion, isothermal expansion, and isochoric processes. Adiabatic expansion is the expansion of the gas when there is no heat exchange with the system. The pressure decreases but the volume increases. Isothermal expansion is the expansion of a gas at constant temperature. The pressure decreases and the volume increases. Finally a isochoric process is at constant volume. During this time, there is no work done on or by the gas. During isochoric cooling, the pressure of the gas drops but during isochoric heating the pressure of the gas goes up. For the MCAT make sure you understand these concepts. I hope this helps and good :luck:.

Hah...i took the MCAT and did very well but I dont think I've ever seen those words before in my life!!! sounds like PV=nRT...i think

commuter9
12-11-2006, 08:03 PM
Hey! If I understand your question correctly, you want to find the pressure at a point 25m below the exposed part of the tube? The reason you use the height of 25m and not 5m, which according to your description is the distance of the point from the closed end of the tube, is because the pressure gradient is caused by the exposed part of the tubing. For example, say you fill the J tube with mercury and hook it up to a pipe with flowing gas. Due to the pressure being exerted by the gas flow, the height of the mercury will change. But how? The gas flow exerts pressure downward on the exposed part of the tube, P=F/A. This will push the mercury and cause for a pressure gradient to develop. Due to this gradient, you get difference in height. The closed part of the tube, which is essentially a vaccum, exerts no force on the mercury and it does not affect the difference height from the initial to final position. What is important to note about these manometer problems is what causes the height difference and what you are solving for. You are solving for pressure but in the derivation of the equation (P = rho*g*h) you are taking into consideration the cause of the pressure gradient and the height change in response to the gradient. In other words, to solve for the pressure, gauge or total, you take the difference in height from the perspective of where the pressure change exists. In this case, it is due to the exposed end of the tube. To illustrate this another way, take a u-tube manometer filled with mercury which is exposed at both ends. If you were to hook this up to a pipe with gas flow, how would you find the change in height? This time, a pressure gradient exists at both ends of the tube. Depending where the pressure is greater, you will see the greater height change (p=rho*g*h). To find the overall difference in height, you would take the difference in height of the mercury between both ends of the tube--because at one end the greater pressure will push the mercury down more. In essence, to solve these types of problems, you look at what is causing the difference in height. In your case, the open end of the tube is the reason--that is why you use the distance from the open end and not the sealed end. I hope this helps and good :luck:.

Hey thanks BioMedEngineer. What you said does make sense and you did it w/o a picture which is pretty impressive.

commuter9
12-11-2006, 08:11 PM
I'm confused about how this problem was solved.

An electron is accelerated through a distance of .1m by a potential difference of 10,000 volts. What is the electron's energy as it strikes the anode?
A. 100ev
B. 1,000 eV
C. 10,000 eV
D. 1 J

The answer is C. This question is supposedly asking about change in KE and so W=qV is used. This is what I don't get. They say q = e so it is just equal to one. Why isn't it equal to X coulombs?

heymanooh1
12-11-2006, 11:49 PM
I'm confused about how this problem was solved.
An electron is accelerated through a distance of .1m by a potential difference of 10,000 volts. What is the electron's energy as it strikes the anode?
A. 100ev
B. 1,000 eV
C. 10,000 eV
D. 1 J
The answer is C. This question is supposedly asking about change in KE and so W=qV is used. This is what I don't get. They say q = e so it is just equal to one. Why isn't it equal to X coulombs?One of the conversion factors you need is 1 eV = 1.6 x 10 ^-19 J.

The change in energy, delta U, is given as the potential difference, delta V, between two points multiplied by the charge of the particle, q. Therefore, delta U = q x (delta V) = Work done on the particle W.

delta U has units of Joules, J. delta V has units of Joules per coulomb, delta V = J/C

W = delta U = [1.6 x 10 ^-19] x [10, 0000 J/C] = 1.6 x 10^-15 J

Using the 1 eV conversion factor,
delta U = [1.6 x 10^-15 J] x [1eV/(1.6 x 10^-19 J)] = 10,000 eV = W.

The change in electric potential, delta V, is work done per unit charge, not work done per coulomb.

Also, U = delta P.E. + delta K.E. = 0 because of energy conservation, keeping in mind that energy is on a relative scale. Therefore there's always a reference point which will be either stated or implied based on the information given in the passage.

lisichka
12-12-2006, 04:30 PM
Hi,
another question

when we lift weight the same distance and lower it, it takes the same amount of work, since W=F*d and force, since F=mg what about power, it should be different because it is energy/time, and it should be smaller for up then down? no?

but why in real life it is always harder to lift something up than lower it? can you please explain it in the MCAT context somehow??? is it because of air resistance, i think not, because it acts up, and when we lift the block, we are acting with it, not agaist it, right? gravity pul;, but it is acounted for by mg=F

hmmm, i have no idea, makes me nervous+pissed+

thank you very much:love: ahead of time :)

novawildcat
12-12-2006, 05:27 PM
Hi,
another question

when we lift weight the same distance and lower it, it takes the same amount of work, since W=F*d and force, since F=mg what about power, it should be different because it is energy/time, and it should be smaller for up then down? no?

but why in real life it is always harder to lift something up than lower it? can you please explain it in the MCAT context somehow??? is it because of air resistance, i think not, because it acts up, and when we lift the block, we are acting with it, not agaist it, right? gravity pul;, but it is acounted for by mg=F

hmmm, i have no idea, makes me nervous+pissed+

thank you very much:love: ahead of time :)


The force of gravity applied to an object in the gravitational field of the earth is a conservative force. Another way to state Newton's 2nd law is the fact that the Work of a conseravtive force=-delta PE (PE is the potential energy). When you are lifting an object up you are increasing the the potential energy of the object which takes energy. Systems like to be in the lowest state of energy as possible which it is why it seems hard to lift the object up. When you let the object lower, you let it decrease its potential energy which is why it seems easier to lower it.

lisichka
12-12-2006, 05:53 PM
The force of gravity applied to an object in the gravitational field of the earth is a conservative force. Another way to state Newton's 2nd law is the fact that the Work of a conseravtive force=-delta PE (PE is the potential energy). When you are lifting an object up you are increasing the the potential energy of the object which takes energy. Systems like to be in the lowest state of energy as possible which it is why it seems hard to lift the object up. When you let the object lower, you let it decrease its potential energy which is why it seems easier to lower it.
thank you :) novawildcat!

heymanooh1
12-12-2006, 06:15 PM
Hi,
another question

when we lift weight the same distance and lower it, it takes the same amount of work, since W=F*d and force, since F=mg what about power, it should be different because it is energy/time, and it should be smaller for up then down? no?

but why in real life it is always harder to lift something up than lower it? can you please explain it in the MCAT context somehow??? is it because of air resistance, i think not, because it acts up, and when we lift the block, we are acting with it, not agaist it, right? gravity pul;, but it is acounted for by mg=F

hmmm, i have no idea, makes me nervous+pissed+

thank you very much:love: ahead of time :)
It's "harder" to lift upwards since you are working against the direction of the field, gravitational in this case, which points down. Air resistance is not necessarily acting upwards, it depends on the direction of motion of the body/particle. For example, if something is being lowered downwards, the force of air resistance would be acting in the opposite direction. Think of it being analogous to kinetic friction, as a body slides along a surface, where the force of kinetic friction is opposite to that of the direction of motion.

Draw free body diagrams to keep track of the direction of the forces at work.

ladida
12-13-2006, 12:28 AM
hello, i haf a few questions about waves if the wavelength of a water is 8m and its speed is 2m/s. how many waves will pass a fixed point in the water. the answer is 15 waves but i can't get it i got 240:confused:

2) wavelength of water wave is 3.7m and period is 1.5s calculate
a)speed of wave i get this one 2.5m/s
need help on
b)the time required for teh wave to travel 100m.
c) the distance travelled by wave in 1 min<-- i don get these questions does it mean 60s is time wavelenth is 3.7 therefore i can find veloctiy and i times it by 1.5s to find the distance?_?

answer for b is 41s
answer for c is 1.5*10^2m/s

Thanks a bunch

heymanooh1
12-13-2006, 11:41 AM
hello, i haf a few questions about waves if the wavelength of a water is 8m and its speed is 2m/s. how many waves will pass a fixed point in the water. the answer is 15 waves but i can't get it i got 240:confused:

2) wavelength of water wave is 3.7m and period is 1.5s calculate
a)speed of wave i get this one 2.5m/s
need help on
b)the time required for teh wave to travel 100m.
c) the distance travelled by wave in 1 min<-- i don get these questions does it mean 60s is time wavelenth is 3.7 therefore i can find veloctiy and i times it by 1.5s to find the distance?_?

answer for b is 41s
answer for c is 1.5*10^2m/s

Thanks a bunch

For 2b and 2c, use the equation: distance = velocity x time. I think there's some information missing in your initial question. You can calculate frequency and period from the data given but not much else beyond that.

commuter9
12-13-2006, 10:58 PM
One of the conversion factors you need is 1 eV = 1.6 x 10 ^-19 J.

The change in energy, delta U, is given as the potential difference, delta V, between two points multiplied by the charge of the particle, q. Therefore, delta U = q x (delta V) = Work done on the particle W.

delta U has units of Joules, J. delta V has units of Joules per coulomb, delta V = J/C

W = delta U = [1.6 x 10 ^-19] x [10, 0000 J/C] = 1.6 x 10^-15 J

Using the 1 eV conversion factor,
delta U = [1.6 x 10^-15 J] x [1eV/(1.6 x 10^-19 J)] = 10,000 eV = W.

The change in electric potential, delta V, is work done per unit charge, not work done per coulomb.

Also, U = delta P.E. + delta K.E. = 0 because of energy conservation, keeping in mind that energy is on a relative scale. Therefore there's always a reference point which will be either stated or implied based on the information given in the passage.

Thanks heymanooh1. This makes sense (although I don't think I would have ever thought of doing it this way!...twhich is a bit worrisome).

ladida
12-15-2006, 07:33 PM
For 2b and 2c, use the equation: distance = velocity x time. I think there's some information missing in your initial question. You can calculate frequency and period from the data given but not much else beyond that.

thanks!!

rcd
12-19-2006, 12:11 PM
I'm confused about how this problem was solved.

An electron is accelerated through a distance of .1m by a potential difference of 10,000 volts. What is the electron's energy as it strikes the anode?
A. 100ev
B. 1,000 eV
C. 10,000 eV
D. 1 J

The answer is C. This question is supposedly asking about change in KE and so W=qV is used. This is what I don't get. They say q = e so it is just equal to one. Why isn't it equal to X coulombs?

1eV = 1e * 1V

W = q v
= e * 10,000 V
W = 10,000 eV

lisichka
12-19-2006, 06:26 PM
Hey guys,
today i encountered this question in kaplan: here it goes
PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
204 Po undergoes radioactive decay with 1/2 life of 3.8 hours emitting alpha particle.

2 moles of pure 204 polonium are isolated and put on scale. After 7.6 hours, a reading of sample mass is made. Its mass is:
apparantly a correct answer is 402 grams
incorrect ones are 408g 400g 201g 203 g

the explanation is in terms of alpha particle. Since we have 2 half lives, 3/4 of alpha particle has decayed, and 1/4 of alpha particles are still in polonium. So since we have 2 moles of polonium, we also have 2 moles of decayed alpha particle, 3/4 *2mol=3/2 moles of alpha particle decay. then we convert moles to mass-->4g*3/2=6 grams of alpha paricle has decayed. So since we have 2 moles of polonium originally, that means we originally had 408 grams of polonium, but since 6 grams of alpha particle has decayed out, we now have 408g-6g=402 grams of sample left, and is a correct answer.


ok, so my reaction to this explanations was whaaaaaaaaaaaaa...xyz,,,,,WTF ?+pissed+

i thought it was a simple 408-->(1/2 life)200g-->(1/2 life)100g left? why not solve it like this? how do we know when to use alpha decay vs. my method above.

i understand how we have 2 half lives and the original 408 grams, but... everything else is beyond me. please help....!
.

heymanooh1
12-19-2006, 10:04 PM
Hey guys,
today i encountered this question in kaplan: here it goes
PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
204 Po undergoes radioactive decay with 1/2 life of 3.8 hours emitting alpha particle.

2 moles of pure 204 polonium are isolated and put on scale. After 7.6 hours, a reading of sample mass is made. Its mass is:
apparantly a correct answer is 402 grams
incorrect ones are 408g 400g 201g 203 g

the explanation is in terms of alpha particle. Since we have 2 half lives, 3/4 of alpha particle has decayed, and 1/4 of alpha particles are still in polonium. So since we have 2 moles of polonium, we also have 2 moles of decayed alpha particle, 3/4 *2mol=3/2 moles of alpha particle decay. then we convert moles to mass-->4g*3/2=6 grams of alpha paricle has decayed. So since we have 2 moles of polonium originally, that means we originally had 408 grams of polonium, but since 6 grams of alpha particle has decayed out, we now have 408g-6g=402 grams of sample left, and is a correct answer.


ok, so my reaction to this explanations was whaaaaaaaaaaaaa...xyz,,,,,WTF ?+pissed+

i thought it was a simple 408-->(1/2 life)200g-->(1/2 life)100g left? why not solve it like this? how do we know when to use alpha decay vs. my method above.

i understand how we have 2 half lives and the original 408 grams, but... everything else is beyond me. please help....!
.General equation for alpha decay of Po: (a/z) Po -> Po + (a-4/z-2)X + (4/2)He
a=mass #; z=atomic #. For alpha-decay, it's helpful to keep mass conservation in mind. In the alpha process, each particle that decays generates a Helium atom which is the mass "lost", another atom (X) and Po.

In the 1st alpha process , only 1 mole of Po will decay to give 1 mol Po, 1 mol X and 1mol He (this is the mass "lost") as products. In the 2nd decay, out of the 1 mole Po remaining, half of this will be decay to give 0.5 mol Po, 0.5 mol X and 0.5 mol He. Now you might be asking, how much does X weigh in terms of mass? Well that's what mass conservation is for, in order to keep track of the atoms that are actually undergoing alpha decay. Nothing further happens to X, it's is still in the sample as is the remaining 0.5 moles of Po after 2 half lives. But notice that you exactly know how many moles of He were "lost". If you add up the masses for all the atoms, after the 1st decay it'll be 408. The same after the 2nd decay and so on.

You are correct that there will be about ~100 g of Po remaining but the question was asking how much will be left of the sample = Po + X

Dr Durden
12-19-2006, 10:10 PM
Your mistake lisichka is thinking decay means the half the substance completely disappears in a half-life. What really happens is that after one half-life, half the amount of your given element decays and turns into a different element, usually one with a slightly smaller atomic number.

Think of an alpha particle as a helium atom with two protons and two neutrons, for a total atomic mass of four. After 3.8 hours, half of the original Po atoms will have spit out this alpha particle. Thus Po-204 becomes Pb-200. The atomic number drops by two (for the proton loss) and the mass by four (for the proton and neutron loss).

For the first half life, half of your two moles have created an alpha particle. Thus (1/2*2=1) one mole of alpha particles have been created. You now have a single mole of Po-204 and a single mole of Pb-200. After another half life, half the remaining mole of Po-204 spits out another alpha particle. This creates another half a mole of alpha particles, giving you a total of 1.5 moles of alpha particles, or six grams (1.5*atomic wt of 4). Subtract the six grams from your original 408 and you get 402.

rcd
12-19-2006, 10:22 PM
Hey guys,
today i encountered this question in kaplan: here it goes
PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
204 Po undergoes radioactive decay with 1/2 life of 3.8 hours emitting alpha particle.

2 moles of pure 204 polonium are isolated and put on scale. After 7.6 hours, a reading of sample mass is made. Its mass is:
apparantly a correct answer is 402 grams
incorrect ones are 408g 400g 201g 203 g

the explanation is in terms of alpha particle. Since we have 2 half lives, 3/4 of alpha particle has decayed, and 1/4 of alpha particles are still in polonium. So since we have 2 moles of polonium, we also have 2 moles of decayed alpha particle, 3/4 *2mol=3/2 moles of alpha particle decay. then we convert moles to mass-->4g*3/2=6 grams of alpha paricle has decayed. So since we have 2 moles of polonium originally, that means we originally had 408 grams of polonium, but since 6 grams of alpha particle has decayed out, we now have 408g-6g=402 grams of sample left, and is a correct answer.


ok, so my reaction to this explanations was whaaaaaaaaaaaaa...xyz,,,,,WTF ?+pissed+

i thought it was a simple 408-->(1/2 life)200g-->(1/2 life)100g left? why not solve it like this? how do we know when to use alpha decay vs. my method above.

i understand how we have 2 half lives and the original 408 grams, but... everything else is beyond me. please help....!
.

2 moles * half * half = .5 moles, 2 - .5 = 1.5 moles of decay rxn

"Sample" in this case means the mixture of Po plus the things it just decayed to minus the alpha particles which presumably flew away. 408g originally - 1.5 moles of decay * mass of He per mole = 408 - 1.5 * 4 = 402.

rcd
12-19-2006, 10:30 PM
if the wavelength of a water is 8m and its speed is 2m/s. how many waves will pass a fixed point in the water. the answer is 15 waves but i can't get it i got 240:confused:


1 wave / 8m * 2m / s = .25 waves / s. = 15 waves / min.

lisichka
12-20-2006, 02:55 AM
oh thank you, everyone soooo much. i see now. you guys are great
:love: :love:
p.s. as i was solving this problem, i was thinking about Russian spy polonium poisoning, and how basically alpha particles penetrated his body tissues.
wow, mcat physics goes a loooong way. how ironic ;)

RAD11
12-21-2006, 01:24 PM
Let's say you have a parallel plate, which has a electric field going across it, where + charge is on the left side of the plate and - charge is on the right side of the plate.

If you put a proton into the field, from the + plate end:

1. p+ travels from higher to lower potential
2. field does + work (since p+ and field move in the same direction)
3. PE decreases, which leads to an increase in KE

** Now here's the part where I get confused** .....

If you put an electron into the field, from the - plate end:

1. e- travels from low to high potential (shouldn't e- travel from high to low still? I don't get why it's from low to high)
2. field does + work (not sure why the field is doing + work here)
3. PE decreases, which leads to an increase in KE (no clue about this since I don't get part 1)

Thanks in advance for your help.

gridiron
12-21-2006, 02:46 PM
Let's say you have a parallel plate, which has a electric field going across it, where + charge is on the left side of the plate and - charge is on the right side of the plate.

If you put a proton into the field, from the + plate end:

1. p+ travels from higher to lower potential
2. field does + work (since p+ and field move in the same direction)
3. PE decreases, which leads to an increase in KE

** Now here's the part where I get confused** .....

If you put an electron into the field, from the - plate end:

1. e- travels from low to high potential (shouldn't e- travel from high to low still? I don't get why it's from low to high)
2. field does + work (not sure why the field is doing + work here)
3. PE decreases, which leads to an increase in KE (no clue about this since I don't get part 1)

Thanks in advance for your help.

Hey! The first part of your analysis is correct. In physics, the positive end is designated the high potential and the negative end the low potential. The reason for this is because the potential difference between the plates, the voltage, can be found from the electric field between the plates. Using electric field lines, the field lines run from the positive end of the plate to the negative end of the plate. You can then calculate the potential using two different methods: the line integral of the electric field or the potential energy per unit charge. Since you don't need to know integrals for the MCAT, the latter method is more appropriate. The potential difference is equal to the change in potential energy per unit charge. The potential energy is equal to negative work so you have two representations of the equation:

change in U/ q

or

-W/q

The potential difference will be positive for positive charges and negative for negative charges because of the magnitude of q. That is why as a charge moves from the negative plate to the positive plate it is moving to a region of higher potential--more positive potential.

To understand the concept of work, consider the macroscopic world scenario of rigid bodies. Gravitational field lines run earth to the ground and point downward--thus keeping us "grounded." When you lift an object it is common to say that you do negative work and the object gains potential energy. Consider the equation for work:

W = Fdcostheta.

In this case, you are doing work against the gravitational field and therefore your angle theta is 180 degrees. Thus the work done is negative in lifting the object and the potential energy increases (change in potential energy is equal to -W). Thus, the generalization can be made that when an object does something it doesn't want to do, it will gain potential energy and negative work will be done. However, when the object does something it normally will do (when the object falls), positive work is done and the object loses potential energy. This generalization can be applied to the microscopic world as well---now the gravitational field is the electric field and the object is some charge of a given magnitude. To relate this to your question, as the negative charge is placed on the negative plate what does it naturally want to do? It will want to move toward the positive plate due to repulsion of like negative charge. Because it does what it naturally wants to do, the work is positive and the potential energy decreases. If instead the charge were placed on the positive plate, external work would be required to move the negative charge toward the negative plate. Similar to lifting an object against an gravitational field, the work done is negative and the potential energy will increase.

Here is something to remember when you take the MCAT: work and potential are opposite in magnitude of one another: if one increases the other will decrease because -W = change in potential energy. When you encounter a question on the test, you can automatically cross out answer choices where both quantities are of similar magnitude. I hope this helps and good :luck:.

RAD11
12-21-2006, 03:21 PM
Hey! The first part of your analysis is correct. In physics, the positive end is designated the high potential and the negative end the low potential. The reason for this is because the potential difference between the plates, the voltage, can be found from the electric field between the plates. Using electric field lines, the field lines run from the positive end of the plate to the negative end of the plate. You can then calculate the potential using two different methods: the line integral of the electric field or the potential energy per unit charge. Since you don't need to know integrals for the MCAT, the latter method is more appropriate. The potential difference is equal to the change in potential energy per unit charge. The potential energy is equal to negative work so you have two representations of the equation:

change in U/ q

or

-W/q

The potential difference will be positive for positive charges and negative for negative charges because of the magnitude of q. That is why as a charge moves from the negative plate to the positive plate it is moving to a region of higher potential--more positive potential.

To understand the concept of work, consider the macroscopic world scenario of rigid bodies. Gravitational field lines run earth to the ground and point downward--thus keeping us "grounded." When you lift an object it is common to say that you do negative work and the object gains potential energy. Consider the equation for work:

W = Fdcostheta.

In this case, you are doing work against the gravitational field and therefore your angle theta is 180 degrees. Thus the work done is negative in lifting the object and the potential energy increases (change in potential energy is equal to -W). Thus, the generalization can be made that when an object does something it doesn't want to do, it will gain potential energy and negative work will be done. However, when the object does something it normally will do (when the object falls), positive work is done and the object loses potential energy. This generalization can be applied to the microscopic world as well---now the gravitational field is the electric field and the object is some charge of a given magnitude. To relate this to your question, as the negative charge is placed on the negative plate what does it naturally want to do? It will want to move toward the positive plate due to repulsion of like negative charge. Because it does what it naturally wants to do, the work is positive and the potential energy decreases. If instead the charge were placed on the positive plate, external work would be required to move the negative charge toward the negative plate. Similar to lifting an object against an gravitational field, the work done is negative and the potential energy will increase.

Here is something to remember when you take the MCAT: work and potential are opposite in magnitude of one another: if one increases the other will decrease because -W = change in potential energy. When you encounter a question on the test, you can automatically cross out answer choices where both quantities are of similar magnitude. I hope this helps and good :luck:.

So in the case of the e- placed on the - end plate, it will move from high potential to low potential resulting in a decrease in potential energy.

Okay, I guess I just got confused because I thought that the + end plate is always high potential and the - end plate is always low potential, but just from reading your explanation, it depends on the scenario of whether we are placing a p+ or an e- in the field and on what location within the field (whether next to the + end plate or the - end plate).

Thanks for much for your explanation! :)

rcd
12-21-2006, 10:19 PM
So in the case of the e- placed on the - end plate, it will move from high potential to low potential resulting in a decrease in potential energy.

Okay, I guess I just got confused because I thought that the + end plate is always high potential and the - end plate is always low potential, but just from reading your explanation, it depends on the scenario of whether we are placing a p+ or an e- in the field and on what location within the field (whether next to the + end plate or the - end plate).

Thanks for much for your explanation! :)

Hold on. You're not grasping the difference between potential and potential energy. The + plate is always high potential. It's just low potential energy for electrons, and high potential energy for protons.

RAD11
12-21-2006, 11:12 PM
Hold on. You're not grasping the difference between potential and potential energy. The + plate is always high potential. It's just low potential energy for electrons, and high potential energy for protons.

I think I got it now! Just clarify this with me, though. So basically, what you are saying is that when an e- is placed at the - end plate, is goes from low potential (- end plate) to high potential (+ end plate), which results in a decrease in potential energy, right? (e- is attracted to + charge)

....and when a p+ is placed on a + end plate, it goes from high potential (+ end plate) to low potential (- end plate), which also results in a decrease in potential energy (p+ is attracted to - charge). Is my rationalization correct?

gridiron
12-21-2006, 11:18 PM
I think I got it now! Just clarify this with me, though. So basically, what you are saying is that when an e- is placed at the - end plate, is goes from low potential (- end plate) to high potential (+ end plate), which results in a decrease in potential energy, right?

....and when a p+ is placed on a + end plate, it goes from high potential (+ end plate) to low potential (- end plate), which also results in a decrease in potential energy. Is my rationalization correct?

Yes. I didn't mean to imply that a decrease in potential energy means low potential--I was trying to develop the equation and concept using an analogy. If you want, I can derive the reasoning behind high and low potential using calculus?

RAD11
12-21-2006, 11:19 PM
Yes. I didn't mean to imply that a decrease in potential energy means low potential--I was trying to develop the equation and concept using an analogy. If you want, I can derive the reasoning behind high and low potential using calculus?

:o

I got it now! :)

gridiron
12-21-2006, 11:24 PM
:o

I got it now! :)

Sorry if I wasn't clear earlier. Good :luck:.

killinsound
12-28-2006, 05:49 PM
Why are the charges on two capacitors in parallel equivalent? (conceptually)


P.S. I thought the Electric field everywhere between a pair of capacitors were the same? So why does PE vary? PE = 1/2 VQ and V = Ed where d is the distance between capacitors. Is the electrical potential the one that is staying constant, and potential energy changing? (I don't see how potential energy could change when electrical potential is constant).

killinsound
12-28-2006, 06:19 PM
Why are the charges on two capacitors in parallel equivalent? (conceptually)


P.S. I thought the Electric field everywhere between a pair of capacitors were the same? So why does PE vary? PE = 1/2 VQ and V = Ed where d is the distance between capacitors. Is the electrical potential the one that is staying constant, and potential energy changing? (I don't see how potential energy could change when electrical potential is constant).



edit: i think i figured out my answer to the P.S. question, but I want to make sure that my reasoning is correct.

The electric field is the same everwhere within the capacitor. The electric potential k(Q/d) is the distance from the (+) plate. Electric potential is large closest to the (+) plate, and conversely, largest farthest away from the (-) plate. This means that when you put a positive charge in a constant field, it is going to move towards the (-) plate and towards lower electric potential.

The change in electric potential times the charge is the electric potential energy. So by decreasing your electric potential, you are also decreasing your Electrical PE.

I think what was/and still is throwing me off is since PE = q(change in electric potential)

and electric potential = k(q/r)
that means electric potential = Ed

so PE = qEd... and since E is constant, how can PE change?

Also, I'm still confused on "Why are the charges on two capacitors in parallel equivalent?"

gridiron
12-28-2006, 06:22 PM
Why are the charges on two capacitors in parallel equivalent? (conceptually)


P.S. I thought the Electric field everywhere between a pair of capacitors were the same? So why does PE vary? PE = 1/2 VQ and V = Ed where d is the distance between capacitors. Is the electrical potential the one that is staying constant, and potential energy changing? (I don't see how potential energy could change when electrical potential is constant).

Hey! When capacitors are in parallel, it means that the capacitors are wired directly together at one plate and wired directly at the other plate. Since they are wired directly to one another, a potential difference is applied across all the wired plates--resulting in each capacitor having the same potential difference. A generalization can thus be made:

--When a potential difference is applied across capacitors wired in parallel, the potential difference is the same across each capacitor. The total charge q is the sum of the charges stored in all the capacitors.

As a proof, assume you have capacitors C1, C2 and C3 wired in parallel with a voltage source of V. To find an expression of C equivalent:

q1 = C1V
q2 = C2V
q3 = C3V
Total charge is:
q = q1+q2+q3 = (C1+C2+C3)V
C equivalent = q/V = C1+C2+C3

Thus, capacitors connected in parallel can be replaced with an equivalent capacitor that has the same total charge q and the same potential difference V as the actual individual capacitors. Remember, the potential difference (Voltage) is the same across each capacitor in parallel because they are all wired directly with one another at each plate which is connected to the voltage source. A good way to remember a rule for capacitors in series and parallel is:

for parallel: "par-V" --which means the potential difference is the same across each capacitor
for series: "ser-q" --which means the charge across each capacitor in series is the same.

Potential energy can vary because depending on the strength of the capacitor, different charge can be stored. The greater the value of C the more charge that can be stored.

heymanooh1
12-28-2006, 06:54 PM
edit: i think i figured out my answer to the P.S. question, but I want to make sure that my reasoning is correct.

The electric field is the same everwhere within the capacitor. The electric potential k(Q/d) is the distance from the (+) plate. Electric potential is large closest to the (+) plate, and conversely, largest farthest away from the (-) plate. This means that when you put a positive charge in a constant field, it is going to move towards the (-) plate and towards lower electric potential.

The change in electric potential times the charge is the electric potential energy. So by decreasing your electric potential, you are also decreasing your Electrical PE.

I think what was/and still is throwing me off is since PE = q(change in electric potential)

and electric potential = k(q/r)
that means electric potential = Ed

so PE = qEd... and since E is constant, how can PE change?

Also, I'm still confused on "Why are the charges on two capacitors in parallel equivalent?"Using V = k(q/r) is the general equation for point charges or a source charge with spherical geometry. Not quite appropriate for parallel plates

For parallel plates:
C = Q/V ; V = E dot d; C = epsilon (Area/d)

killinsound
12-28-2006, 06:55 PM
Thanks so much for your explanation.

now you might hate me, but what i meant to say was why the charge is equal for capicators in series.

gridiron
12-28-2006, 07:52 PM
Thanks so much for your explanation.

now you might hate me, but what i meant to say was why the charge is equal for capicators in series.

When capacitors are wired in series, they are wired one after another. Because of this, a potential difference is applied across the two ends of the series. The potential difference which then exists across the capacitors produces the same charge q across each capacitor. Assume you have three capacitors wired in series: C1, C2, C3 to a battery of voltage V. Capacitor1 is at the top and C3 is at the bottom. The top plate of C1 is wired to the positive terminal of the battery and the bottom plate of C3 is wired to the negative terminal of the battery. That makes the bottom plate of C1 negative, top plate of C2 positive, bottom plate of C2 negative and top plate of C3 positive. When the battery is first connected to bottom plate of C3 is produces negative charge on the plate. That charge is repels negative from the top plate of C3 giving it a positve charge. The repelled negative charge then moves to the bottom plate of C2 and gives it negative charge. The charge on the bottom plate of C2 then repels negative charge from the top plate of C2 thus giving it a positive charge. The repelled negative charge moves to the bottom plate of C1 and gives it a negative charge. The negative charge at the bottom plate of C1 repels negative charge on the top plate and moves negative charge from the top plate to the battery. Charges produced on the plates are a direct result of shifting of charges from one plate to another. Therefore the charging of each capacitor causes the charging of the next capacitor--the charges will be the same in each capacitor because of the shifting of charge from one plate to another in the same magnitude.
To calculate C equivalent:


V1 = q/C1
V2 = q/C2
V3 = q/C3
V = V1+V2+V3 = q(1/C1 + 1/C2 + 1/C3)
C equivalent = q/v
1/C equivalent = 1/C1 + 1/C2 + 1/C3



Therefore, capacitors connected in series can be replaced with an equivalent capacitor that has the same charge and the same total voltage (potential) as the capacitors in series.

akinf
12-29-2006, 01:16 AM
In laminar and turbulent flow, can you explain the basis of the relationships in the equation for critical velocity.

Vc = (Nr*n)/(p*D)

Nr: dimensionless constant called Reynolds number
n: viscosity of the fluid
p: density of the fluid
D: diamter of the tube

Basically, why does critical velocity increase with an increase in viscosity, and decrease with an increase in both density and diamter of the tube?

akinf
12-29-2006, 03:13 AM
Why does the velocity of sound decrease with decreasing temperature? Does it have to do with the amount of motion of the particle needed to propograte the sound?

commuter9
12-29-2006, 08:53 AM
A canon shoots an orange (3kg) straight up in the air with initial velocity 5m/s. A horizontal wind exerts a force of 6N on the orange while it is in the air.

1. What is the horizontal component of the acceleration of the orange while it is in the air?
A. 0m/s^2
B. 2 m/s^2

Answer is B. Why is there acceleration in the X direction (I think I'm getting confused with projectile motion problems)? Is there acceleration in the X direction because there is a force in the X direction (and I guess that there is no force in the X direction during projectile motion...just the force of gravity).


2. What is the horizontal velocity of the orange at the top of its path?
A. 0 m/s^2
B 1m/s^2

Answer is B. In the previous questions we had figured out that t=.5sec and from the question above that a=2 m/s^2. The answer is saying that we know that v0=0. Why is that? Is it due to the fact that the orange only had vertical velocity at first and then at some point in time it gains some horizontal velocity so we can assume initially it didn't have any and once the horizontal force kicked in, there was this 2 m/s^2 constant acceleration?

I think that I kind of see why these are the answers, but it is still hazy for me and I can see how I could make this mistake again. Please help.

EMT2ER-DOC
12-29-2006, 09:22 AM
A canon shoots an orange (3kg) straight up in the air with initial velocity 5m/s. A horizontal wind exerts a force of 6N on the orange while it is in the air.

1. What is the horizontal component of the acceleration of the orange while it is in the air?
A. 0m/s^2
B. 2 m/s^2

Answer is B. Why is there acceleration in the X direction (I think I'm getting confused with projectile motion problems)? Is there acceleration in the X direction because there is a force in the X direction (and I guess that there is no force in the X direction during projectile motion...just the force of gravity).


2. What is the horizontal velocity of the orange at the top of its path?
A. 0 m/s^2
B 1m/s^2

Answer is B. In the previous questions we had figured out that t=.5sec and from the question above that a=2 m/s^2. The answer is saying that we know that v0=0. Why is that? Is it due to the fact that the orange only had vertical velocity at first and then at some point in time it gains some horizontal velocity so we can assume initially it didn't have any and once the horizontal force kicked in, there was this 2 m/s^2 constant acceleration?

I think that I kind of see why these are the answers, but it is still hazy for me and I can see how I could make this mistake again. Please help.

1. There is an acceleration in the x direction because the question tells you that the wind exerts a FORCE of 6N in the x-direction. Force=Mass*Acceleration. Now, since you are told that the orange is shot vertically, you can calculate the vertical force because you have acceleration due to gravity pointing down. If you draw your force vectors, you will see that the net force is the hypotenuse of the triangle. So you can calculate the net force on the orange of 31N. Net acceleration is 31=3(Anet) , Anet=10.2 m/s^2. Anet^2=A(y)^2+A(x)^2. A(y)=10, therefor 10.2^2=10^2+A(x)^2 therefor 104=100+A(x)^2, 4=A(x)^2, so A(x)=2 and the answer is B.

2. Since you calculated that t=0.5, and we know that at the top of its path, there is no velocity in the vertical direction so the only velocity is in the horizontal direction. Using the formula A=(vf-vi)/(Tf-Ti) we plug in the folowing values: A=2, Vf=X, Vi=0, Tf=0.5, Ti=0. So: 2=(X-0)/(0.5-0), 2=Vf/0.5 finally, Vf=1m/s.

I hope this helped

killinsound
12-29-2006, 09:32 AM
Thanks biomedengineer!

gridiron
12-29-2006, 11:16 AM
In laminar and turbulent flow, can you explain the basis of the relationships in the equation for critical velocity.

Vc = (Nr*n)/(p*D)

Nr: dimensionless constant called Reynolds number
n: viscosity of the fluid
p: density of the fluid
D: diamter of the tube

Basically, why does critical velocity increase with an increase in viscosity, and decrease with an increase in both density and diamter of the tube?

According to the equation provided, the parameter viscosity is directly proportional to the critical velocity--thus an increase in viscosity will lead to an increase in critical velocity. The critical velocity is when flow will become turbulent. Turbulence by definition is an increase in the resistance of flow--which is also an increase in viscosity. When concerned with fluid flow in a tube, you must make one very important assumption: The liquid touching the surface of the tube is stationary and the liquid moves fastest at the center of the tube--this is the basis behind the derivation of any fluids equation (Flow, Poiseuille's law...etc). The force causing the fluid flow is a pressure gradient multiplied by the area over which flows occurs: F=-changeP*A (don't worry about why there is a negative sign). If you were to draw the laminar stream lines from the surface of the tube to the center of the tube, you can see that the velocity profile is determined by the radial distance from the surface of the tube. If you were to think of each laminar stream line as a cylinder with radius r, you can verify that the velocity profile is fastest at the center of the tube. As the diameter of the tube is increased, the critical velocity decreases because there is more area for fluid to travel through, thus resulting in lower shear forces the fluid encounters. A good example of this is the aorta--it has a very large cross sectional area. Accordingly, it also has a high reynolds number--a dimensionless quantity which is the ratio of inertial forces to viscous forces. This means, that at high speed of flow, fluid flow will become turbulent in the aorta. Density is the change in differential mass over differential volume. An increase in density leads to a decrease in critical velocity because viscous forces predominate. This leads to a greater resistance in flow--meaning it will become turbulent faster. For the MCAT, know how to manipulate the above equation: density and diameter are inversely proportional to critical velocity--so an increase in density or diameter will lead to a decrease in the the critical velocity. Don't worry too much behind the derivation of the equation--it is beyond the scope of the MCAT.

akinf
12-29-2006, 05:20 PM
BioMedEngineer....I am not following your explanation. I am not seeing why an increase in viscosity would increase the critical velocity. Shouldn't the "thicker" the fluid is make it easier for turbulence to occur? Or is it the other way around? Since the fluid is so thick, it is harder for the flow to become turbulent?

I want to try to get this straight in my head. Could you almost compare turbulence to movement similar to that of an out of control gas? So, if density is low for a fluid, it must move to a higher velocity before it gets "out of control"? This is a weird analogy but I don't know if it works.

killinsound
12-29-2006, 07:52 PM
When a capacitor and a resistor are in parallel, I'm confused on how you figure out the voltage going through the capacitor.

Same thing applies with a capcitor and resistor in series.

akinf
12-30-2006, 04:36 AM
I'm taking a look at the MCAT Interpretive Manual and it doesn't seem to mention the Lensmakers equation. Is that equation categorized somewhere else or is it beyond the scope of the MCAT?

akinf
12-30-2006, 04:53 AM
Umm...could someone explain the main concepts and ideas we need to pay attention for regarding diffreaction and interference (especially Young's double slit experiment). I would really appreciate this. I am reading the Kaplan books and some things just aren't registering.

A note that Kaplan mentions about diffraction is that "it is really the interference of an infinite number of waves where each point along the slit acts as a wave source." .....umm...huh? I don't get that line.

Also, I checked the Physics General Topics before coming here and noticed that it wasn't there. So, someone highly knowledgable may want to consider putting something up...just a suggestion. TY.

commuter9
12-30-2006, 10:01 AM
1. There is an acceleration in the x direction because the question tells you that the wind exerts a FORCE of 6N in the x-direction. Force=Mass*Acceleration. Now, since you are told that the orange is shot vertically, you can calculate the vertical force because you have acceleration due to gravity pointing down. If you draw your force vectors, you will see that the net force is the hypotenuse of the triangle. So you can calculate the net force on the orange of 31N. Net acceleration is 31=3(Anet) , Anet=10.2 m/s^2. Anet^2=A(y)^2+A(x)^2. A(y)=10, therefor 10.2^2=10^2+A(x)^2 therefor 104=100+A(x)^2, 4=A(x)^2, so A(x)=2 and the answer is B.

2. Since you calculated that t=0.5, and we know that at the top of its path, there is no velocity in the vertical direction so the only velocity is in the horizontal direction. Using the formula A=(vf-vi)/(Tf-Ti) we plug in the folowing values: A=2, Vf=X, Vi=0, Tf=0.5, Ti=0. So: 2=(X-0)/(0.5-0), 2=Vf/0.5 finally, Vf=1m/s.

I hope this helped

Thanks EMT2ER-Doc. So I guess for the second question I just have to look at it like at some point the orange didn't have horizontal velocity and then when the force was applied it did so then that is where the different in velocities occur.

EMT2ER-DOC
12-30-2006, 10:49 AM
Thanks EMT2ER-Doc. So I guess for the second question I just have to look at it like at some point the orange didn't have horizontal velocity and then when the force was applied it did so then that is where the different in velocities occur.


With any physics question you need to pick a system and draw your force/acceleration/velocity vectors for THAT system and never mind anything else.

In this example, one system is when the orange immediately leaves the cannon. Another system is when the orange is at its highest point.

Remember, just pick one system and don't mind the rest. Do one system at a time.

gridiron
12-30-2006, 04:29 PM
BioMedEngineer....I am not following your explanation. I am not seeing why an increase in viscosity would increase the critical velocity. Shouldn't the "thicker" the fluid is make it easier for turbulence to occur? Or is it the other way around? Since the fluid is so thick, it is harder for the flow to become turbulent?

I want to try to get this straight in my head. Could you almost compare turbulence to movement similar to that of an out of control gas? So, if density is low for a fluid, it must move to a higher velocity before it gets "out of control"? This is a weird analogy but I don't know if it works.

By definition, critical velocity of a fluid is the point at which flow becomes turbulent--resulting in chaotic motion. This usually occurs when the velocity of the fluid is high. Viscosity by definition is the resistance to flow for a liquid and laminar flow is the smooth flow of a viscous liquid. Fluids with high viscosity will have a greater resistance to flow but at low shear will still exhibit laminar flow. Since turbulence is usually the result of high shear speeds, a greater velocity will need to be attained by the more viscous fluid in order to exhibit turbulence.

gridiron
12-30-2006, 04:46 PM
When a capacitor and a resistor are in parallel, I'm confused on how you figure out the voltage going through the capacitor.

Same thing applies with a capcitor and resistor in series.

When the capacitor and resistor are in parallel to a voltage source, both the capacitor and resistor are at the same electric potential. Thus, the following equations for current would apply:

for resistor: I = Vsource/R
for capacitor: I = C (dVsouce/dt) of the form dv/dt because current is a function of time.

For the MCAT, you do not need to know derivatives or integrals, so don't worry too much how to solve for the voltage for the capacitor because you will need to use a integral.

The series case is way too complicated for the MCAT--it involves using the laplace transform to solve for the voltage. I wouldn't worry about learning how to solve for the voltage because if it is on the MCAT, which is doubtful, then equations will be provided.

Interestingly, the RC circuit is used in electronics for filtering. The series RC circuit is used more often then the parallel RC circuit because the parallel circuit doesn't act as a filter unless it is fed by a current source. This type of filter is readily employed in common medical devices like the EKG and EEG. Don't worry too much about the analysis of such circuits--it involves using calculus and that isn't tested on the MCAT.

gridiron
12-30-2006, 05:45 PM
Why does the velocity of sound decrease with decreasing temperature? Does it have to do with the amount of motion of the particle needed to propograte the sound?

The velocity of sound depends on the proporties of the medium through which it travels. The two properties are: inertial and elastic. Inertial properties deal with the mass density of the particles of the medium and elastic properties are the tendency of a medium to change shape or deform due to an applied stress. The effect of temperature on the speed of sound can be explained using the elastic properties of the medium. The temperature of air effects the strength of particle interactions in air. A decrease in temperature leads to a decrease in the elastic properties of the air thus leading to a decrease in speed. In general, the greater the elasticity of the medium, the faster the speed of sound will travel--so the strength of particle interactions within medium dictate the speed of sound. The stronger the particle interactions, the faster the speed of sound because the disturbance (a pressure wave for sound) is transmitted faster from particle to particle.

akinf
12-30-2006, 06:23 PM
Thank you.

killinsound
12-31-2006, 05:36 PM
When the capacitor and resistor are in parallel to a voltage source, both the capacitor and resistor are at the same electric potential. Thus, the following equations for current would apply:

for resistor: I = Vsource/R
for capacitor: I = C (dVsouce/dt) of the form dv/dt because current is a function of time.

For the MCAT, you do not need to know derivatives or integrals, so don't worry too much how to solve for the voltage for the capacitor because you will need to use a integral.

The series case is way too complicated for the MCAT--it involves using the laplace transform to solve for the voltage. I wouldn't worry about learning how to solve for the voltage because if it is on the MCAT, which is doubtful, then equations will be provided.

Interestingly, the RC circuit is used in electronics for filtering. The series RC circuit is used more often then the parallel RC circuit because the parallel circuit doesn't act as a filter unless it is fed by a current source. This type of filter is readily employed in common medical devices like the EKG and EEG. Don't worry too much about the analysis of such circuits--it involves using calculus and that isn't tested on the MCAT.



Thanks!!! I asked my dad (electrial engineer) and he pretty much explained it the same way.

5moreminutes
01-01-2007, 01:51 PM
neverimmind

midn
01-02-2007, 09:09 AM
There is a paragraph in my EK Physics book that doesn't make any sense to me and I was hoping somebody here could explain it:

"If a question asks, 'How much work is done by gravity?' (or any other conservative force), the question itself implies that gravity is not part of the system. There are three methods to answer such a questions: 1) Use Fdcos(theta); 2) simply calculate the change in deltaU(sub g); 3) use W= deltaK + deltaU + deltaE(sub i) but do not include gravitational potential energy in your calculation of deltaU. Technically speaking, a conservative force doesn't do work because energy is never lost nor gained by the system."

I understand using 1) and 2), but 3) makes no sense. How do you calculate the work done and not consider the change in gravitational potential energy? The last sentence is even more confusing because we are asked how much work is done by the conservative force gravity, but it says that conservative forces do no work.

:confused:

If you have the EK 6th ed book, it is p. 47 at the very top.

EMT2ER-DOC
01-02-2007, 09:26 AM
There is a paragraph in my EK Physics book that doesn't make any sense to me and I was hoping somebody here could explain it:

"If a question asks, 'How much work is done by gravity?' (or any other conservative force), the question itself implies that gravity is not part of the system. There are three methods to answer such a questions: 1) Use Fdcos(theta); 2) simply calculate the change in deltaU(sub g); 3) use W= deltaK + deltaU + deltaE(sub i) but do not include gravitational potential energy in your calculation of deltaU. Technically speaking, a conservative force doesn't do work because energy is never lost nor gained by the system."

I understand using 1) and 2), but 3) makes no sense. How do you calculate the work done and not consider the change in gravitational potential energy? The last sentence is even more confusing because we are asked how much work is done by the conservative force gravity, but it says that conservative forces do no work.

:confused:

If you have the EK 6th ed book, it is p. 47 at the very top.

With a question like this, I would suggest going to the EK website and post this question. Jordan will clarify it for you.

midn
01-02-2007, 11:26 AM
Oh yeah, sorry I forgot to check that. Turns out there is a discussion on that topic already so I'll post there.

Anyways, I have ANOTHER physics question :D .

So I'm reading my old physics books to get a bit of clarification on energy (kinetic and potential).

I understand the work-kinetic energy theorem which basically says the change in kinetic energy is merely the sum of all work done on or by the system (I'm only restating it here so you can correct me if I'm wrong) if all the work goes into changing the velocity of a particle.

Now, when we are talking about work done by kinetic friction, we say the change in kinetic energy is equal to the net force on an object times its displacement. If the object slows down due to friction, the net force is equal to the kinetic friction force. My book ("Physics for Scientists and Engineers" by Serway and Jewett, p. 200) makes the point in saying that the net force times the displacement of the object is NOT work although it has the same units. Its reason for this statement is that the displacement is that of the object and not the point of application of the friction force. This is where I am confused.

Here is the actual quote:
"sum of F(sub x) * delta(x) = K(sub f) - K(sub i)

This looks like the work-kinetic energy theorem, but the left hand side has not been called work. The quantity delta(x) is the displacement of the book - not the displacement of the point of application of the friction force."

(This refers to a book sliding allowing a surface with friction that ends up slowing down due to the force of kinetic friction)

Why is it not work? Is it because the friction force is working against the actual displacement? If so, does that mean in case for a force to do work, it must be displacing the object in the same direction as the force?

I'm no good at physics. +pissed+

rcd
01-02-2007, 12:48 PM
Oh yeah, sorry I forgot to check that. Turns out there is a discussion on that topic already so I'll post there.

Anyways, I have ANOTHER physics question :D .

So I'm reading my old physics books to get a bit of clarification on energy (kinetic and potential).

I understand the work-kinetic energy theorem which basically says the change in kinetic energy is merely the sum of all work done on or by the system (I'm only restating it here so you can correct me if I'm wrong) if all the work goes into changing the velocity of a particle.

Now, when we are talking about work done by kinetic friction, we say the change in kinetic energy is equal to the net force on an object times its displacement. If the object slows down due to friction, the net force is equal to the kinetic friction force. My book ("Physics for Scientists and Engineers" by Serway and Jewett, p. 200) makes the point in saying that the net force times the displacement of the object is NOT work although it has the same units. Its reason for this statement is that the displacement is that of the object and not the point of application of the friction force. This is where I am confused.

Here is the actual quote:
"sum of F(sub x) * delta(x) = K(sub f) - K(sub i)

This looks like the work-kinetic energy theorem, but the left hand side has not been called work. The quantity delta(x) is the displacement of the book - not the displacement of the point of application of the friction force."

(This refers to a book sliding allowing a surface with friction that ends up slowing down due to the force of kinetic friction)

Why is it not work? Is it because the friction force is working against the actual displacement? If so, does that mean in case for a force to do work, it must be displacing the object in the same direction as the force?

I'm no good at physics. +pissed+

A lot of the energy of a friction force is lost to heat, and not work. That's the only thing I can imagine happening. ie) F * d = E = q + w.

gridiron
01-02-2007, 02:50 PM
Oh ye