I've been seeing a lot of infomercials on this guy and decided to check out the reviews for his book on amazon.com. It looks like people are either totally against him or totally love him. I seem to believe his book is a crock because he refers you to his website for which you have to pay. It's really making me mad that this guy is giving so much medical advice (or not much medical advice) and he isnt even a medical professional. It makes me feel like this guy is cheapening what most of us plan to do with our lives. I just needed to vent everyone :mad:

check out the long review of his book here.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0975599518/ref=cm_rev_next/002-4774083-1224831?%5Fencoding=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=507846&s=books&customer-reviews.start=41

I know a lot of good medical advice comes from just plain common sense.
If everyone just watched what they ate, drank more water, and took an evening stroll, we'd all be much better off. It seems this guy said that wearing all white is healthy for you! :mad: i cant believe this. Anyways,
I'll vent over some racquetball now.

Of course, do you expect anything else from television. This type of garbage is aimed for the ignorant masses who instantly associate the word "natural" as something completely safe and free of side effects. And therefore better.

I bet many people have ordered it, too.

Sounds like a real whack job from what I can see. This is just ridiculous!!!!!!!

Unfortunately, I have family members who have bought and read this book and swear up and down that its contents are true and verifiable. In effect, his book has done a lot more harm than good to my family; it has raised my blood pressure on several occasions and done nothing for the crazy people I call 'kin'. :thumbdown

Grr, I can't stand quacks who tout ridiculous health claims. :mad: I'm really excited about integrative, preventive health care but only when it is scientifically based!

Some things I have heard from hippies back home:

-Tomatoes are poisonous because they are a part of the nightshade family.
-Potatoes are deadly for pregnant women because of the "growing energy" in the eyes. (Umm, hello Ireland?)
-All gluten, in fact all grains in general, should be shunned because they are "toxic" and will kill you (no matter that every society on earth evolved eating copius amounts of grains).
-Smoothies made of green algae, kale and wheat grass make it "impossible for cancer to grow in your body because they alkalize the body". (Whatever that means--you would die if you changed the pH of your blood!)

And that's just a small sampling of the madness.

There are some real quack jobs out there.

I wonder if the hippies used to do pot or drugs, cuz the true hippies of the 60's, did many of those things and that is where their distorted perceptions of reality came from.

I'm all for testing natural herbal medicine in a scientific setting as well. For instance, many medicines do originate from plants or from the sea, because of things like secondary metabolites that are produced. One good example of a secondary metabolite leading to a drug was taxol which aids in cancer treatment.

However, I'm for it if there is scientific basis and research done on it. Otherwise, I am not for it.

In addition, don't forget that the author of the book is a convicted felon who spent time in prison. I believe it was for credit card fraud.

Edit: Not only was he convicted of credit card fraud, but in 1990 he posed as a doctor in order to deposit false checks. :thumbdown

There are some real quack jobs out there.

I wonder if the hippies used to do pot or drugs, cuz the true hippies of the 60's, did many of those things and that is where their distorted perceptions of reality came from.

I'm all for testing natural herbal medicine in a scientific setting as well. For instance, many medicines do originate from plants or from the sea, because of things like secondary metabolites that are produced. One good example of a secondary metabolite leading to a drug was taxol which aids in cancer treatment.

However, I'm for it if there is scientific basis and research done on it. Otherwise, I am not for it.


This guy is an ex-con and, I believe, has no medical qualifications at all.

The crazy thing is that they're passing it one to their kids. All of those things were said to me by people my age! :laugh:

My parents were hippies too but much less out there. My mom is a massage therapist and there has been tons of research of how effective massage can be for treating everything from premature babies (helps them grow faster) to women with bulimia (improves their self image).

It's strange because I think that there are so many natural things that do work (after all, antibiotics come from moldy bread and slimy rocks!), why do people need to cling to such insane ideas? :confused:

Grr, I can't stand quacks who tout ridiculous health claims. :mad: I'm really excited about integrative, preventive health care but only when it is scientifically based!

Some things I have heard from hippies back home:

-Tomatoes are poisonous because they are a part of the nightshade family.
-Potatoes are deadly for pregnant women because of the "growing energy" in the eyes. (Umm, hello Ireland?)
-All gluten, in fact all grains in general, should be shunned because they are "toxic" and will kill you (no matter that every society on earth evolved eating copius amounts of grains).
-Smoothies made of green algae, kale and wheat grass make it "impossible for cancer to grow in your body because they alkalize the body". (Whatever that means--you would die if you changed the pH of your blood!)

And that's just a small sampling of the madness.

gotta love oregon! :) i'm a veg person, so i'm surrounded by it on that end, too. the raw foodists are the trippiest, i've got to say.

anyway, this guy's a quack. actually do a search for him a quackwatch's website, and you'll find lots of good stuff. he's pretty smart, though, because he has to have made a fortune off his books/products. this whole natural/unnatural thing is straight bs. i actually believe some doctors overprescribe drugs without looking for lifestyle modifications that might work, but i don't think we're helping the situation by having everyone run out and buy tons of "nutritional" supplements.

gotta love oregon! :) i'm a veg person, so i'm surrounded by it on that end, too. the raw foodists are the trippiest, i've got to say.

anyway, this guy's a quack. actually do a search for him a quackwatch's website, and you'll find lots of good stuff. he's pretty smart, though, because he has to have made a fortune off his books/products. this whole natural/unnatural thing is straight bs. i actually believe some doctors overprescribe drugs without looking for lifestyle modifications that might work, but i don't think we're helping the situation by having everyone run out and buy tons of "nutritional" supplements.

Yeah really, it's just different people making money, in my opinion.

Ooh, I HATE raw food people. They are always so militant with it. One of my friends would only eat vegan and only stuff that fell off of the plant so nothing was ever killed or something. Then one day she caved and started going crazy with tons of ice cream, bread, cheese and butter, and she could never go back. :meanie:

And certain diets can be dangerous for women who are already at risk for things like osteoporosis. My mom's best friend has the bones of a 70 year-old and she is only 50.

This guy has been indited in the past on fraud and other nasties. Do a search on this guy and you'll find out.

He is completely and 100% not credible and I don't believe ANYTHING he writes. My dad sees patients who talk about that book, and he tells them that there is no real evidence to back up what's in the book. It's sad, it really is sad.

I hope this guy gets locked up in jail.

-Potatoes are deadly for pregnant women because of the "growing energy" in the eyes. (Umm, hello Ireland?)

Ok, this isn't entirely untrue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanine#Solanine_in_Potatoes
The growing energy they're talking about occurs while the potato is growing - usually after long periods of storage in the dark and then exposure to the light. Well, the eyes and the tubers turn green when the potato starts to grow. Well, the green stuff (chlorophyll in growing potatoes, duh) is actually an indicator that the potato contains high levels of solanine, a glycoalkaloid poison which is quite toxic even in small amounts. A healthy ripe potato won't have solanine but watch out for the 'growing energy'. For reals though.
Also, about the author of the book, well, the washington post had a good article about the book which manages to taunt him far more eloquently than any of us could: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/22/AR2005102201272_pf.html

It's also pretty messed up that he's now "offering to rent the names and addresses of his customers to telemarketers, junk mailers, and other direct marketers."

http://coloncancer.about.com/b/a/216566.htm

Out of all this what makes me the most mad is the stupid dumba$s people that buy into this nonsense...i mean read some of the Positive reviews of his book on Amazon...*vomit*

They are prolly the same people that vote for george bush and think that jesus is gonna make an appearance sometime soon.

here is a snippet from one positive review for you guys...this is hilarious.

"Every time Kevin shows up on Network television touting his viewpoint, the interviewer constantly brushes him off and refers back to another MD's weak argument. He freely admits that he is not a medical doctor, and even takes pride in it. And since when does being a medical doctor make you the source of unquestionable knowledge? It mostly certainly does not. Yet Joe somebody next door thinks he's the holy grail of knowledge on how one should treat their body, because "my doctor said so!" Doctors I've run into know very little about proper nutrition, and how disease should be dealt with. That isn't to say that there aren't many varieties, some(though unfortunately not enough of) of which opting for the naturopathic route. But your local doctor is likely common. They know one thing best; drug pushing. It's what they do, they exist as the authorized source of distribution! They are actively promoting the drug industry! Oh yeah, your family doctor also knows when you have a cold or a flu. But guess what, I don't need to go to a doctor because I can indentify those things on my own. It's useless for me to sit on a piece of butchers paper for 30 minutes while he tends to other patients for fifteen minutes, and then takes another fifteen to go into his office, pick out a drug, prescribe it, and send you off to the nearest Pharmacy. Does anything about this make you question yourself at all? It sure did me, and the people I know. Though despite my harsh criticism of drugs, I do believe that in life and death situations, they are appropriate. No question. But outside of those extraordinary, extreme situations, when has a drug ever solved an issue? I have family that takes drugs, it never corrected the original issue, it only masked the symptoms, as long as they kept buying that drug! "

haha and some more:

"I do not support the drug industry, as is evident. They're turning an acid issue into a disease issue! It's not a disease. There are simple remedies for Acid Reflux(I will not call it a disease). These are correctable issues that you most certainly do not need Tums, Rolaids, or any of the five different drugs they've established for it! I have two great suggestions: Ginger tea, and or vinegar. This is proven science, approved and tested in the laboratory of my own body.

Overall, the message Natural Cures is pushing is that you don't need to be sick for the rest of your life. And you don't need to take drugs for the rest of your life, without resolving the issue. All you need, is to come to an understanding of health in general, going to the right sources. Ones that aren't medical doctors, school nurses, or anyone who buys into the fallacies spread by the FDA and clever marketing. A lot of this sounds good if you don't know anything. But if you become educated, aware, you can end the food and drug industries hold over your life. It is never too late, and this book, Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know About, is a good place to start. I also recommend any book by Robert Barefoot, aswell as Fit For Life I/II, and Pain Free For Life, by Darrell Stoddard."

what a f*ckin t00l

here is a snippet from one positive review for you guys...this is hilarious.

"Every time Kevin shows up on Network television touting his viewpoint, the interviewer constantly brushes him off and refers back to another MD's weak argument. He freely admits that he is not a medical doctor, and even takes pride in it. And since when does being a medical doctor make you the source of unquestionable knowledge? It mostly certainly does not. Yet Joe somebody next door thinks he's the holy grail of knowledge on how one should treat their body, because "my doctor said so!" Doctors I've run into know very little about proper nutrition, and how disease should be dealt with. That isn't to say that there aren't many varieties, some(though unfortunately not enough of) of which opting for the naturopathic route. But your local doctor is likely common. They know one thing best; drug pushing. It's what they do, they exist as the authorized source of distribution! They are actively promoting the drug industry! Oh yeah, your family doctor also knows when you have a cold or a flu. But guess what, I don't need to go to a doctor because I can indentify those things on my own. It's useless for me to sit on a piece of butchers paper for 30 minutes while he tends to other patients for fifteen minutes, and then takes another fifteen to go into his office, pick out a drug, prescribe it, and send you off to the nearest Pharmacy. Does anything about this make you question yourself at all? It sure did me, and the people I know. Though despite my harsh criticism of drugs, I do believe that in life and death situations, they are appropriate. No question. But outside of those extraordinary, extreme situations, when has a drug ever solved an issue? I have family that takes drugs, it never corrected the original issue, it only masked the symptoms, as long as they kept buying that drug! "

haha and some more:

"I do not support the drug industry, as is evident. They're turning an acid issue into a disease issue! It's not a disease. There are simple remedies for Acid Reflux(I will not call it a disease). These are correctable issues that you most certainly do not need Tums, Rolaids, or any of the five different drugs they've established for it! I have two great suggestions: Ginger tea, and or vinegar. This is proven science, approved and tested in the laboratory of my own body.

Overall, the message Natural Cures is pushing is that you don't need to be sick for the rest of your life. And you don't need to take drugs for the rest of your life, without resolving the issue. All you need, is to come to an understanding of health in general, going to the right sources. Ones that aren't medical doctors, school nurses, or anyone who buys into the fallacies spread by the FDA and clever marketing. A lot of this sounds good if you don't know anything. But if you become educated, aware, you can end the food and drug industries hold over your life. It is never too late, and this book, Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know About, is a good place to start. I also recommend any book by Robert Barefoot, aswell as Fit For Life I/II, and Pain Free For Life, by Darrell Stoddard."

what a f*ckin t00l


Duh?! doctors and nurses dont know what they are talking about 99% of the time. that's why they spend so many years of school and attract some of the most brilliant minds to the field. DUH :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

They are prolly the same people that vote for george bush and think that jesus is gonna make an appearance sometime soon.
:thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown Speak for yourself dbag.

:thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown Speak for yourself dbag.

whatever, tool

I don't think he developed his conspiracy theory well enough. Every good conspiracy has a dark force behind it. I mean sure "drug companies" but it would be better if it were some drug company of darkness or something.

whatever, tool

1. That guy is a total con artist. I saw him interviewed on CNN. Paula Zahn ripped him a new one, and he just kept smiling. It was rather entertaining, but I feel sad for the people who not only get conned out of their money, but might actually hurt themselves by doing some of the stuff he suggested. I mean, MD's may not know everything, but they know a lot more than some convinct with a big mouth. Did you know he's actually not allowed to sell any sort of medical treatment (like herbs, etc.) because of this lawsuit against these calcium supplements he was pushing? So now he's selling this book, and apparently making millions on it. :barf:

2. MurDAH, you should watch what you say. You made a big supposition about who it is that would buy this book, and also belittled millions of people.

Out of all this what makes me the most mad is the stupid dumba$s people that buy into this nonsense...i mean read some of the Positive reviews of his book on Amazon...*vomit*

They are prolly the same people that vote for george bush and think that jesus is gonna make an appearance sometime soon.


The scariest thing of all is that there are people who think jesus is coming back and ending the world in four years, and that Intelligent Design is true, and that evolution is made up, who are going to med school...if someone thinks the Earth is only 6000 years old, they shouldn't be licensed to practice medicine

2. MurDAH, you should watch what you say. You made a big supposition about who it is that would buy this book, and also belittled millions of people.

MurDAH was merely stating the obvious fact that it's easier to convince people who believe in things based on faith alone, of very unreasonable things--like the idea that the earth was created in 7 days, and that women were made out of a guy's rib in a jungle, and that people developed self-awareness after a woman named eve ate a piece of fruit from a tree somewhere a really long time ago....what makes the guy who wrote this book, which says modern science is "hiding secret cures," any less of a quack than the people (yeah...they were just people) who wrote a book called "the bible" which says people used to grow to be 9 feet tall, live to be 400-800 years old, and that we should all cut the skin off our members and have a rabbi suck out the blood when we're newborns?

MurDAH was merely stating the obvious fact that it's easier to convince people who believe in things based on faith alone, of very unreasonable things--like the idea that the earth was created in 7 days, and that women were made out of a guy's rib in a jungle, and that people developed self-awareness after a woman named eve ate a piece of fruit from a tree somewhere a really long time ago....what makes the guy who wrote this book, which says modern science is "hiding secret cures," any less of a quack than the people (yeah...they were just people) who wrote a book called "the bible" which says people used to grow to be 9 feet tall, live to be 400-800 years old, and that we should all cut the skin off our members and have a rabbi suck out the blood when we're newborns?

He wasn't "merely stating" anything. He was making an inflammatory comment by stereotyping people. Unless he's out there doing a study on relgious and political affiliation compared to those who purchase this book, it's just conjecture, and in an offensive way.

And I would argue that it is diffcult to convince someone who holds strong beliefs of anything, and in any case, it's not an "obvious" fact.

tacrum's jus mad cuz he voted for G dubya...it's all good. :meanie:

anyway...you guys should go watch this documentary titled "The God who wasn't there" by Brian Flemming. It is an eye-opening doc about christianity. tacrum go check it out.

I say if people who want to buy into this guy's BS (Trudeau's BS, not Bush) then let them do it. We can't protect everyone from themselves and sometimes I wonder whether trying to ameliorate peoples' stupidity is really in our best interest. If a competent adult (and competent doesn't necessarily mean smart ;) ) wants to do something that could kill or harm him or her, then why must we intervene if it harms no one else?

BTW I think Kevin Trudeau should be strung up for his actions.

I don't think he developed his conspiracy theory well enough. Every good conspiracy has a dark force behind it. I mean sure "drug companies" but it would be better if it were some drug company of darkness or something.

Everyone knows that Drug Companies are run by "The Man"

Therefore, we need to stick it to him.

The author is banned from infomercials for false claims. Instead, he now makes up some interview bull which is not considered an infomercial. In short, the book is pathetic.

Wow, this discussion has become somewhat unpleasant. I grew up in a non-religious family, but I've always been curious: Why is it socially acceptable to bash Christianity and make fun of it? If the same things were said about Muslim people or Jewish people it would be completely innapropriate.

It's weird that so many people (including myself) have grown up with a general hatred of Christians. I'm still working on letting those judgments and stereotypes go, since I know it's wrong to hate people based on their religion.

The author is banned from infomercials for false claims. Instead, he now makes up some interview bull which is not considered an infomercial. In short, the book is pathetic.

For any of you who have the book I wanted to know what His cures for Cancer and Diabetes are. It is his cures for these chronic illnesses that is the saddest part since people often stop taking conventional medicines for his outrageous "substitues"

I would not buy the book but Im curious to know his unkown cures!

For any of you who have the book I wanted to know what His cures for Cancer and Diabetes are. It is his cures for these chronic illnesses that is the saddest part since people often stop taking conventional medicines for his outrageous "substitues"

I would not buy the book but Im curious to know his unkown cures!


He has actually been sued up and down his whole infomercial career for false claims, fraud, etc. You name it!

Basically you buy the book and then he gives you details of natural remedies you can find anywhere or common knowledge (ie you should not own an air conditioner because the air is artificial, don't dryclean you clothes due to toxic chemicals, etc).

The kicker is that to get any real information you have to go to his website and "join." You basically have to dish out more money because evidently the FDA will not let him publish the real secrets :rolleyes:

Anyway just go to barnes and noble and read it, not worth buying.

Wow, this discussion has become somewhat unpleasant. I grew up in a non-religious family, but I've always been curious: Why is it socially acceptable to bash Christianity and make fun of it? If the same things were said about Muslim people or Jewish people it would be completely innapropriate.

It's weird that so many people (including myself) have grown up with a general hatred of Christians. I'm still working on letting those judgments and stereotypes go, since I know it's wrong to hate people based on their religion.
I don't know. Maybe they have nothing better to do with themselves :mad: . Need to get a life. Good point. :thumbup:

Hey guys, I haven't read that book and have no desire to read it. While I don't believe this guy, I would have to say that there are tons of natural medicine that we don't know much about in the western world. I have a cousin who suffered from a skin disease no one in the united states know nothing about. She went to the top dermatologists, internalists, and other doctors here in the U.S and U.K. Needless to say, there was no solution to her problems. A few weeks ago, she traveled to an African country to see a native doctor (uneducated guy whose family has spent generations using herbs to heal all sorts of remedies). I saw her last week and man, you could have never guessed that she had suffered any sort of skin disease in her life. Her doctors in the U.S are now taking notes for this guy.

I am very careful with claims made by people (for example, the guy you are talking about), but I think medicine is not just limited to white coats and fancy instruments. Sometimes, the cure for the most complicated diseases are the simplest ones. Of course, I have faith in modern medicine, otherwise I won't be here. I do however keep an open mind. After all, it is the job of scientist to test hypothesis.

Hey guys, I haven't read that book and have no desire to read it. While I don't believe this guy, I would have to say that there are tons of natural medicine that we don't know much about in the western world. I have a cousin who suffered from a skin disease no one in the united states know nothing about. She went to the top dermatologists, internalists, and other doctors here in the U.S and U.K. Needless to say, there was no solution to her problems. A few weeks ago, she traveled to an African country to see a native doctor (uneducated guy whose family has spent generations using herbs to heal all sorts of remedies). I saw her last week and man, you could have never guessed that she had suffered any sort of skin disease in her life. Her doctors in the U.S are now taking notes for this guy.

I am very careful with claims made by people (for example, the guy you are talking about), but I think medicine is not just limited to white coats and fancy instruments. Sometimes, the cure for the most complicated diseases are the simplest ones. Of course, I have faith in modern medicine, otherwise I won't be here. I do however keep an open mind. After all, it is the job of scientist to test hypothesis.

Its not that I don't believe in all herbal medicine, because there are things that do work. However, I hate it when quacks like this one try to scam people and think this quack is an example of people who give a bad name to alternative medicine.

It's not that we hate Christians (I happen to be one), it's that we have issues with the extremes to which people take their beliefs and attempt to cram them down the throats of those around them. This goes for any religion, although Islam and Christianity certainly have the vast majority of the market share for overbearing prostelytizing.

Wow, this discussion has become somewhat unpleasant. I grew up in a non-religious family, but I've always been curious: Why is it socially acceptable to bash Christianity and make fun of it? If the same things were said about Muslim people or Jewish people it would be completely innapropriate.

It's weird that so many people (including myself) have grown up with a general hatred of Christians. I'm still working on letting those judgments and stereotypes go, since I know it's wrong to hate people based on their religion.

Let me preface this by saying I am a jewish male.

This is quite true, there is a general acceptance of bashing white christian males. Look at comedy routines, black comedians often make fun of the way white people talk, refer to white people as "white boys" etc. If a white comedian referred to black people with the N word no one would be ok with it.

The protests vs christianity are similar people bash them as crazy etc, and of course some are. What is real crazy is that if you push your belief too far to the right (conservative, religious etc.) you are a nutso, then take people who go too far to the left (Barb Boxer, Jesse Jackson etc then everyone is ok with whatever you do). No person wants the race card played vs them.

I was born in a foreign country, grew up in Miami as a minority and everything has been hunky dory. I love the mix of races and cultures down here. It is in the other parts of the country where racism is still quite evident. Of course I would be lying if people in Miami didnt have a lot of problems too.

In my HS the "american black kids" used to always fight/hate the Haitian black kids to whom they referred to simply as "boats".

When this type of racism is displayed people look away simply because the skin color is the same. This is no different than any other hate but people just brish it aside since it doesnt have the same sensational value as a white vs black issue.

i am sure I rambled on but I think there were some valid points in there.

BTW there was a very similar thread in the Gen Residency Issues forum (i Believe) where some less than intelligent resident hopeful said he was right etc..

Too funny.

Here is one of the threads...

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=229997&page=1

Here is one of the threads...

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=229997&page=1

I will say the one interesting link from that thread was the Duesberg (sp?) link. Some interesting theories from someone who actually does some real research.

Anyhow for reference. the Silvastraba person went to med school in Puerto Rico and didnt match last yr. I think this is part of her disenchantment with real medicine.

I hope this adds a little something to this discussion.

Let me preface this by saying I am a jewish male.

This is quite true, there is a general acceptance of bashing white christian males. Look at comedy routines, black comedians often make fun of the way white people talk, refer to white people as "white boys" etc. If a white comedian referred to black people with the N word no one would be ok with it.

The protests vs christianity are similar people bash them as crazy etc, and of course some are. What is real crazy is that if you push your belief too far to the right (conservative, religious etc.) you are a nutso, then take people who go too far to the left (Barb Boxer, Jesse Jackson etc then everyone is ok with whatever you do). No person wants the race card played vs them.

I was born in a foreign country, grew up in Miami as a minority and everything has been hunky dory. I love the mix of races and cultures down here. It is in the other parts of the country where racism is still quite evident. Of course I would be lying if people in Miami didnt have a lot of problems too.

In my HS the "american black kids" used to always fight/hate the Haitian black kids to whom they referred to simply as "boats".

When this type of racism is displayed people look away simply because the skin color is the same. This is no different than any other hate but people just brish it aside since it doesnt have the same sensational value as a white vs black issue.

i am sure I rambled on but I think there were some valid points in there.

BTW there was a very similar thread in the Gen Residency Issues forum (i Believe) where some less than intelligent resident hopeful said he was right etc..

Too funny.
Good post! :thumbup: Why did we stop discussing the book again?
Damn hijackers :mad: :thumbdown

I think the commericals with "natural (not hormones!) cures for menopause symptoms" are hilarous. Because estrogen is something COMPLETELY "unnatural"- I mean, who on earth has estrogen in their system unless it was made in an evil lab somewhere? :rolleyes:

Especially since a lot of those "natural" cures for menopause sx are loaded with phytoestrogens..... :meanie:

he could seem almost legit if it wasn't for picking up his book, flipping open to "depression" and seeing that dianetics (the crock that is scientology) is listed as a cure. oh my!

All done.. this guy is nuts. The verdict is in!

i really feel like i need to kick him in the face...just a nice sweet dropkick...or sweet chin music for my shawn michaels fans! i'm not your boy toy...i'm just a sexy boy! damn kevin trudeu needs a kick to the face. :meanie:

i really feel like i need to kick him in the face...just a nice sweet dropkick...or sweet chin music for my shawn michaels fans! i'm not your boy toy...i'm just a sexy boy! damn kevin trudeu needs a kick to the face. :meanie:
Or a beating with a dense stick.

All done.. this guy is nuts. The verdict is in!
He's not nuts. He's very smart. If you want to make money, tell people what they want to hear. If you want to get elected, tell people what they want to hear. The truth is terribly unappealing to any sort of public opinion.

I don't think Trudeau is the only nut. Have you guys seen the other people on these fake-news show's? I saw one guy that claimed to have stopped his health insurance back in 1993. He was talking about "SeaVeg." But what if he gets in a car accident? No supplement will sew your leg back on. Maybe he had some accidental policy. There just seems to be an explosion of people online passing themselves off as medical experts. I think they are tip-toeing inside the legal lines to avoid being prosecuted, yet making the lay person believe they are more credible than is true.

:thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown Speak for yourself dbag.

I voted for Bush, and at the rate the world (and this thread) is going, I believe Jesus will come down any day now.

So what?

Everyone knows that Drug Companies are run by "The Man"

Therefore, we need to stick it to him.

Joan Cusack is the man.

I think the commericals with "natural (not hormones!) cures for menopause symptoms" are hilarous. Because estrogen is something COMPLETELY "unnatural"- I mean, who on earth has estrogen in their system unless it was made in an evil lab somewhere? :rolleyes:

My husband thinks estrogen was made in an evil lab...... :D

My husband thinks estrogen was made in an evil lab...... :D


We should respond to him that it is the testosterone in these males that is evil not us estrogen infiltrated females!!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :meanie: :meanie: :meanie:

We should respond to him that it is the testosterone in these males that is evil not us estrogen infiltrated females!!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :meanie: :meanie: :meanie:

Muah ha ha ha!!!!!! :meanie: :meanie:

:thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown Speak for yourself dbag.


No offense, but there is a better way of stating things then calling someone a dbag everytime they say something that upsets you. This is the second thread I've seen you do that in, and it isn't cool because it just brings about fights in civilized discussions.

I think that is why people jumped on you though you and I were saying the same thing in that other thread. The difference was in the way you stated it came off the wrong way and was misinterpreted by some. Just a thought. Please don't take offense to this post. Its just that this is the second thread where I noticed a fight started in which you've called someone a dbag, where it was not really necessary.

I'm embarrassed to admit that my father gave me this book for Christmas. Man - dads reallly don't know how to pick out presents for their daughters. I haven't even really looked at the book - it is now gathering dust on my bookshelf. I've kinda stopped trying to argue with my dad about this kind of stuff - he is very gullible. In fact he's now on a kick that drinking vinegar before eating will help him lose fat because he read it in one of these stupid type of books. Before that he was on a kick about eating bee pollen. Unfortunately I think this type of book fosters more negative opinions and less trust in health care and health care providers and preys upon the lack of knowledge that the public has on health issues.

I don't know about making you lose weight, but the apple cider vinegar for heart burn/indigestion has worked for me. I always get really painful indigestion when I eat alot (holidays, etc), but I tried the glass of ACV after I ate a large meal and didn't experience heart burn or indigestion throughout the christmas/new years feasts. I don't know the science behind it, or if it's mechanism is the one claimed "heart burn from not having enough acid, so drink acidic water and be healed!". But it worked for me (I know this is anecdotal at best). Anyone out there with similar problem, this might be worth a shot

I don't know about making you lose weight, but the apple cider vinegar for heart burn/indigestion has worked for me. I always get really painful indigestion when I eat alot (holidays, etc), but I tried the glass of ACV after I ate a large meal and didn't experience heart burn or indigestion throughout the christmas/new years feasts. I don't know the science behind it, or if it's mechanism is the one claimed "heart burn from not having enough acid, so drink acidic water and be healed!". But it worked for me (I know this is anecdotal at best). Anyone out there with similar problem, this might be worth a shot

Suggesting remedies without understanding the science or why they work is dangerous, and can cause more harm than help. If you truly had eg. a peptic or esophageal ulcer, you could seriously hurt yourself by stoking the fire with additional acid. Sure, lots of herbal remedies and folk medicine work. Far more of them can kill you under the right circumstances. Reliance on anecdotal evidence is dangerous if the circumstances are different (and they always are). The best system is one where the mechanism/chemistry gets understood, the other possible drug interactions get understood, some period of animal testing and then clinical trials is done and only THEN a treatment is suggested.

It makes me feel like this guy is cheapening what most of us plan to do with our lives. I just needed to vent everyone :mad:


Interesting thread. Why do you say you feel like his book "cheapens" medicine? Lots of people give medical advice without being an M.D. like naturopaths and homeopaths for example. I think what bothers you is when someone oversteps their bounds, correct? But where do you draw the line? I mean can a naturopath not reccomend something to a patient because he isn't an M.D.? I don't think his book "cheapens" medicine but then I'm not an M.D. I just have an interest in medicine, psychiatry and naturopathy.

Anyway, let's say I'm a writer sitting at home watching T.V. and I see a commercial for a book that will tell you how to write a novel in 30 days or less. Does that mean that the novels I've written have somehow been cheapened because there's someone out there telling people they can write a novel in 30 days? I don't think so. If you are confident in what you do it won't matter what other people say "quacks" or not. Am I right?

Suggesting remedies without understanding the science or why they work is dangerous, and can cause more harm than help. If you truly had eg. a peptic or esophageal ulcer, you could seriously hurt yourself by stoking the fire with additional acid. Sure, lots of herbal remedies and folk medicine work. Far more of them can kill you under the right circumstances. Reliance on anecdotal evidence is dangerous if the circumstances are different (and they always are). The best system is one where the mechanism/chemistry gets understood, the other possible drug interactions get understood, some period of animal testing and then clinical trials is done and only THEN a treatment is suggested.

I think the real problem here is not the book but that the "alternative health" industry isn't regulated. When you go buy a vitamin at the health food store you should know that what you're getting is exactly what it states on the bottle label. Unfortunately these things are not regulated.

I'm not sure if it was mentioned all ready but I saw on TV last night that the guy who sells that Natural Cures book was arrested twice for fraud.

A friend of mine has this book and I told her he's a quack but she kept saying she thinks he's not. Oh well, no sense in arguing with her.

She'll find out some day when she's a doctor how much this book is quack.

I'm not sure if it was mentioned all ready but I saw on TV last night that the guy who sells that Natural Cures book was arrested twice for fraud.

Yes, he is a fraud. :thumbup:

Dug up some links. All good, especially the first one.

Analysis of Kevin Trudeau's
"Natural Cures" Infomercial (2004) (http://www.infomercialwatch.org/tran/trudeau.shtml) by Stephen Barrett, M.D.

Wait, There's More: Kevin Trudeau's 'Natural Cures,' Swallowed by Millions Without A Prescription (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/22/AR2005102201272.html) (Washington Post)

FTC Actions Against Trudeau (http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/FTCActions/trudeau.html) (Quack Watch)

I've read a couple chapters of "Natural Cures" since my dad swears by it. It's quite interesting to see how he spins things. He takes a little bit of truth and stretches it as far as he possibily can. Everything is a toxin or a poison. My dad actually tried the vinegar thing since he has GERD. He swore by the vinegar for 2 days and then said the hell with it and went back to Nexium. :laugh: