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Uk'er
02-11-2006, 02:26 PM
I am a Canadian student applying to optometry in the UK. Has anyone received their degree for optometry in the UK and gone to Canada to practice? If so, what school did you receive your degree from, and how did you do on the Canadian Boards? Any help would be great!

IceNine
02-11-2006, 04:30 PM
Sorry, completely unrelated..but did you happen to graduate from UW? I know of a person who is applying to the UK and is in optician school as well.

Uk'er
02-11-2006, 04:49 PM
Sorry, completely unrelated..but did you happen to graduate from UW? I know of a person who is applying to the UK and is in optician school as well.

I am graduating from my undergrad at UW this year, and since getting into UW for optometry is next to impossible, I am heading to the UK for a different experience. Did your friend graduate from Optometry at UW or did they just do their undergrad there?

IceNine
02-11-2006, 09:28 PM
My friend just did his undergrad at UW. He is currently studying in opticians college, and is applying to the UK for optometry school. Oh and I agree with you completely, getting into UW is like an urban myth! I tried for two years straight, then gave up and applied to the states. Their application process is soo much easier and less stressful too.

Uk'er
02-13-2006, 10:21 AM
My friend just did his undergrad at UW. He is currently studying in opticians college, and is applying to the UK for optometry school. Oh and I agree with you completely, getting into UW is like an urban myth! I tried for two years straight, then gave up and applied to the states. Their application process is soo much easier and less stressful too.

At least I know I am not the only one in that boat! It is ridiculous that Waterloo lets in so few people considering the number of us that will end up handing an insane amount of money to another country. I didn't try to apply to the states because I got this UK idea in my head, but it sounds like it would have been a good option to. Are you in school in the states for optometry now? My fingers are crossed for the UK. Let me know if your friend gets in.

ML1983
02-13-2006, 10:53 AM
At least I know I am not the only one in that boat! It is ridiculous that Waterloo lets in so few people considering the number of us that will end up handing an insane amount of money to another country. I didn't try to apply to the states because I got this UK idea in my head, but it sounds like it would have been a good option to. Are you in school in the states for optometry now? My fingers are crossed for the UK. Let me know if your friend gets in.

Why don't you apply to the States? I'm a UW student right now, and i'll be heading to PCO this Fall. Yea i applied to UW, but what do i think my chances are? Not high. Why the UK? I heard it's very very very difficult for you to come back and practice in Canada or the US for that matter, because of different techniques? Is that true?

Uk'er
02-13-2006, 02:07 PM
Why don't you apply to the States? I'm a UW student right now, and i'll be heading to PCO this Fall. Yea i applied to UW, but what do i think my chances are? Not high. Why the UK? I heard it's very very very difficult for you to come back and practice in Canada or the US for that matter, because of different techniques? Is that true?

Well it will end up being about the same amount for me to go to the UK as it would be for me to go to the states and I think it'll be a pretty good experience. My sister is going to the UK come September for veterinary. I have spoken with UW to find out what would be required of me when I come back to Canada in order to practice, and basically I would have to go through the bridging program they've made for internationally trained students, and then successfully write the CSAO's. Since the optometry program is only 3 years in the England and Ireland, I would end up spending the same amount of time in school even if I had to complete the 1 year bridging program versus the 1 month.

IceNine
02-13-2006, 02:50 PM
I applied to ICO, and was accepted in December. So I'll be starting this August.
I think you should apply to both the states and the UK.
The UK would definitely be an amazing experience, but the odds might be higher against you coming back to practice in Canada then it would from the States.
Then again..who knows? *shakes her fist at UW* ~~You screwed us all!!!
All the best!

Uk'er
02-13-2006, 06:24 PM
I applied to ICO, and was accepted in December. So I'll be starting this August.
I think you should apply to both the states and the UK.
The UK would definitely be an amazing experience, but the odds might be higher against you coming back to practice in Canada then it would from the States.
Then again..who knows? *shakes her fist at UW* ~~You screwed us all!!!
All the best!

Ha, ha, ha, ha....if only Waterloo realized how many students hated them for sending them anywhere but to the school in their country! I haven't written the OAT for this year, and I also think I missed the application deadline for the States (I could be wrong though?), so it'll either be the UK next year or back to Waterloo to finish my degree. Congrats on getting into ICO though. That's great!

IceNine
02-13-2006, 09:12 PM
A lot of the optometry schools in the states have open enrollment. So you can apply anytime between Aug-April, and they run interviews all the way through. And if your Canadian, you've pretty much got it set. So long as your OAT is at 300, and your marks are around ~75% you will probably get accepted! No worries! :) Trust me on this one....!

But I can tell your dead set on going to the UK, but your marks shouldn't be a problem it'll probably be the same as the states.

Looman
02-16-2006, 08:36 PM
I am currently a Waterloo optometry student (1st year) and I have to agree the application process is a bit of a lottery, but what professional program in canada isn't? (anyone here whose applied to an Ontario med school knows what I mean) Anyways, there are currently some international optometrists in our school going through the bridging program, essentially I believe its just showing that you can do a few of the major techniques. I am not sure how long it is, but I guess that will depend on what country you're coming from, for the UK I can't imagine it being that long. Uk and Canadian optometry are pretty similar, as a matter of fact most of the profs in waterloo are from the UK so its almost like going to a UK school in Canada lol. Sorry, I'm getting a bit off track, bottom line: US = graduate after 4 years write your canadian board. UK = graduate then go through the bridging program, write your canadian boards.

Uk'er
02-24-2006, 08:17 AM
I am currently a Waterloo optometry student (1st year) and I have to agree the application process is a bit of a lottery, but what professional program in canada isn't? (anyone here whose applied to an Ontario med school knows what I mean) Anyways, there are currently some international optometrists in our school going through the bridging program, essentially I believe its just showing that you can do a few of the major techniques. I am not sure how long it is, but I guess that will depend on what country you're coming from, for the UK I can't imagine it being that long. Uk and Canadian optometry are pretty similar, as a matter of fact most of the profs in waterloo are from the UK so its almost like going to a UK school in Canada lol. Sorry, I'm getting a bit off track, bottom line: US = graduate after 4 years write your canadian board. UK = graduate then go through the bridging program, write your canadian boards.
Hey, thanks a lot for that info. I've had one heck of a time trying to find out even information on the bridging program itself, making my decision quite difficult. However, I finally heard back from Waterloo about the bridging program and essentially it is as you said. Even though it's a bachelor of science program in Optometry in the UK, once you successfully pass the Canadian boards, you are able to practice with the title of Doctor. I was a little worried about that. I mean really, who is going to go to an optometrist that doesn't that title "Dr" in front of their name? I'm going to go out on a limb and say no one! Anyway, now it sounds like I'll be off in the UK come September if all goes well. Thanks again for your help!

xmattODx
02-24-2006, 11:49 AM
Hey, thanks a lot for that info. I've had one heck of a time trying to find out even information on the bridging program itself, making my decision quite difficult. However, I finally heard back from Waterloo about the bridging program and essentially it is as you said. Even though it's a bachelor of science program in Optometry in the UK, once you successfully pass the Canadian boards, you are able to practice with the title of Doctor. I was a little worried about that. I mean really, who is going to go to an optometrist that doesn't that title "Dr" in front of their name? I'm going to go out on a limb and say no one! Anyway, now it sounds like I'll be off in the UK come September if all goes well. Thanks again for your help!

You should really look at the passage rate for foreign trained ODs for the CSAO. It is dismal. US students do poorly enough but those trained outside of North America... just check it out.

Uk'er
02-24-2006, 01:59 PM
You should really look at the passage rate for foreign trained ODs for the CSAO. It is dismal. US students do poorly enough but those trained outside of North America... just check it out.
Yeah, I've already looked at them. They haven't posted any results since the bridging program at Waterloo has been implemented though. As well, if you look at the countries in which some of the foreign students came from, it didn't really surprise me that many didn't do too well. Luckily, the bridging program is supposed to make it so all internationally trained students have relatively the same skills as those trained at Waterloo. Obviously there will be some differences, but it is a comprehensive program that attempts to get all on the same page. Thanks for the heads up though.

farsighted
03-07-2006, 02:38 PM
I am planning on attending optometry school in the UK this september as well. So far I have been accepted into Cardiff. I am also looking to find out more information about the bridging program.

http://www.optometry.uwaterloo.ca/iobp/

Uk'er
03-17-2006, 01:55 AM
I am planning on attending optometry school in the UK this september as well. So far I have been accepted into Cardiff. I am also looking to find out more information about the bridging program.

http://www.optometry.uwaterloo.ca/iobp/

Hey, it is always so nice to hear there are others out there applying too! Congrats on getting into Cardiff! When did you apply to the schools in the UK through UCAS? I was also wondering if you sent in your high school and university transcript or just your high school? A friend of mine was accepted into Aston solely sending her high school. Which other schools did you apply to? Talk about bombarding you with questions!

farsighted
03-28-2006, 10:11 AM
Hey, it is always so nice to hear there are others out there applying too! Congrats on getting into Cardiff! When did you apply to the schools in the UK through UCAS? I was also wondering if you sent in your high school and university transcript or just your high school? A friend of mine was accepted into Aston solely sending her high school. Which other schools did you apply to? Talk about bombarding you with questions!

sorry for the late reply I sent you a pm.

Kristene9
04-09-2006, 03:44 PM
What are the practice restrictions in Canada compared to the US? I was in BC for spring break and really enjoyed it.

Just wondering :)

jehu
04-09-2006, 09:21 PM
That depends on which province you are in, right now Alberta is the only province in which OD's can prescribe therapeutics. Ontario is in the process. Also, in Alberta OD's can co-manage glaucoma patients with an OMD.
Alberta right now is the best place to practice as an OD. The other provinces are catching up and hopefully in the near future we are in sync with the US.

What are the practice restrictions in Canada compared to the US? I was in BC for spring break and really enjoyed it.

Just wondering :)

guelphgrad
05-04-2006, 09:59 PM
I just stumbled across this site tonight, I'm glad to hear that there are other people out there who are considering going to the UK for optometry! I've currently been accepted to Manchester, Aston, and City, so now I'm just trying to weigh all my options, has anyone else been accepted or applied to any of these schools, or better yet do you know anyone who currently goes to either of them? I'm finding the hardest part about it is trying to figure out which school to go to when I am pretty unfamiliar with all of them.

I also looked into the bridging program and found out basically the same thing that has been said already. I also spoke with a woman there who said that out of all of the UK students they have evaluated so far they were all deemed to be equivalent if that helps at all....

guelphgrad
05-04-2006, 10:01 PM
Hey, it is always so nice to hear there are others out there applying too! Congrats on getting into Cardiff! When did you apply to the schools in the UK through UCAS? I was also wondering if you sent in your high school and university transcript or just your high school? A friend of mine was accepted into Aston solely sending her high school. Which other schools did you apply to? Talk about bombarding you with questions!


Hey sorry to jump in but I thought I would reply to this. I applied through UCAS to 6 schools for optometry, and for all of them I sent in both transcripts since that's what they recommended, but I think it depends on the school since I know that one of them had specific requirements for OAT scores etc.

heatfenn
05-12-2006, 09:57 AM
Hi there...I'm thinking about going to Australia for optometry and I will possibly be getting advanced standing in their program, due to my clinical and prior course experience (going into year 2 or 3 of the 5 year program). I've just talked to Waterloo about their IOBP and they told me that if I'm given advanced standing and pushed into a higher level, then I may not have enough credit hours to do their program. Apparently they had to turn away one guy because of this. Does anyone know how many course hours are needed (she didn't remember and I can't find it on the web). She also told me that out of all the people in the IOBP, only one student hasn't passed the Boards.

Turosk
05-23-2006, 08:05 AM
From my understanding of optometry, the rankings are like this; for quality of education;

1. USA
2. Canada / Australia / New Zealand
3. UK ( still somewhat premative... most of them still do trial frame refractions i heard, i dont think they teach some advanced techniques either... im not totally up-to-date though)

thats just the general idea that im forming from waht i hear from reliable post-grad optoms from the uk.

Aly
05-24-2006, 01:23 PM
Hi everyone

I'm actually going to the UK in September as well, it was great to see there are so many people, I've decided to go to Cardiff, since I think as far as my research goes its the best one there...but I was wondering if anyone else is thinking or has decided to go there??? I was also worried about the whole degree thing between what they give there and what we would get either in Canada or the States....

anyone have any insight?

POJO
05-24-2006, 03:27 PM
Hi everyone

I'm actually going to the UK in September as well, it was great to see there are so many people, I've decided to go to Cardiff, since I think as far as my research goes its the best one there...but I was wondering if anyone else is thinking or has decided to go there??? I was also worried about the whole degree thing between what they give there and what we would get either in Canada or the States....

anyone have any insight?

Dear Aly,

Are you planning to return to the US to practice or go to the US to practice? If so, you might not be able to sit for any examinations. You may get some kind of advanced standing but you would have to do at least 2 if not 3 years more of education. There are some state registration laws that mandate certain hours for particular subjects which you may or not be able to convert from your prior education. Just a thought.

Turosk
05-25-2006, 06:04 AM
Hi everyone

I'm actually going to the UK in September as well, it was great to see there are so many people, I've decided to go to Cardiff, since I think as far as my research goes its the best one there...but I was wondering if anyone else is thinking or has decided to go there??? I was also worried about the whole degree thing between what they give there and what we would get either in Canada or the States....

anyone have any insight?

yea, its a weird system. i dont think the degree they give out in the UK is qualified for registation in the states, or canada. I think there might be a course/exam for non-US educated optometrists who want to get registration in the states. :(