I hear that if you want to practice anesthesiology in california, especially, northern california, it's better to get your training in a california program because you get to make connections during residency.

I want to know how much of this is true. I may have to go out of state for residency but definitely want to come back to cali. Any thoughts>

I got a job offer with a group, contingent upon me finishing residency. Yeah, I would guess it doesn't really matter where you do your residency (unless you want to work in SF, probably)

I got a job offer with a group, contingent upon me finishing residency. Yeah, I would guess it doesn't really matter where you do your residency (unless you want to work in SF, probably). And this job offer came while I was a 4th year medical student.

Yea I had the same question too. Like if you were from LA should you just go to UCLA or if from San Francisco just go to UCSF as opposed to all the East Coast schools cause you figure grads from UCLA will stay in So Cal and those from UCSF will stay in the Bay Area. I guess what we're really asking is how important is it to start making connections, networking, in residency and to train where you ultimately want to practice.

VERY, VERY, VERY important. Believe me I have heard this from many, many residents. If their is a certain place you want to live, DO your residency there. Connections are what are going to get you the job, not name, believe me. If you want more options than yes, a big name might be helpful. I want to live in Miami so I am going to UM and that will help me more than going to some stuffy school in Boston. Believe me. Good Luck.

not true. at every interview i've gone to, i specifically asked where the residents have practiced, and all the upper echelon programs (MGH, BW, columbia, northwestern, u chicago, baylor, JHU...), they all had at multiple people per year go get jobs outside of their geographical locations. california, florida, texas were all common locations to go back to. they all said if you want to go somewhere, the school has connections to many different places.

i'm not sure how the community programs and less competitive places are like, but there should be no problem with the big names.

the anesthesia shortage is everywhere. I am a CA-3 at Wayne State University, in Detroit. One of the grads two years ahead of me got a job just south of San Francisco, north of Monterey. He's originally from Chicago, so it's not like he had contacts before residency. He now lives on the HWY. 1, with ocean views. He's now contacting us to recruit one of us to join his group.

Connections are very important, and your program Chair can help you make those connections. Make sure you get close to him/her, attend national meetings with him/her, where he/she can network and help introduce you to people.

First off I just want to say that I completely agree. But it is like I said, you will def have more options coming from a big wig, BUT, to get the BEST jobs in LA you have to go to UCLA or USC. The best jobs in NYC: Columbia, Cornelll, Mt. Sinai, NYU. Best jobs Miami - UM or UF. No doubt you will get a job and probably a good one from going to an IVY, but all these private groups have ties with these local programs and are activly recruiting from the area, because that is what they do. You will get offers that from these people while in residency. From somewhere else you will have to do a little more work yourself and from your chair, and you could land one, but believe me there were more options available for those local. So I agree but disagree. I still believe that if I want to live in Miami, UM is the best bet. I'll have a Great job waiting for me before the end of my CA2 year. That is my onest opinion, feel free to listen to others. Good Luck

What about getting fellowships in CA after residency? Do you have to do residency in CA to secure a competitive fellowship in CA or is it OK to be from one of the big Northeast programs?

And then, if you do a fellowship in CA after doing residency in the Northeast, can you get some of the top jobs in CA?

I am trying to decide whether to stay in the Northeast where I'm from or go out west to CA where I think I may want to end up. I like the programs in the Northeast more but there's always the draw of palm trees and sun...

What are "top" or "best" jobs? Does anyone know what the F' they're talking about or is everyone just making **** up like I always do :D ?? Everyone (ok, maybe not everyone) says things like they know what they're talking about for sure - - but if its super hard to get a well paying partner track job (my loose definition of a good job) on the other side of the country then crap dude - I just might have to start stressing out a little bit more.

Ok, let me see if i dont have a handle on this:

At this point in time the job market is soooo wide open, you can be a graduate of the Clown School of Timbuktu and still land a solid job. I think when we ask about "name brand" most of us are thinking about keeping all our options open and about the future when the market might get tight (hope for the best, prepare for the worst sort of thing).

I think that if you absolutely know you want to live in one city forever then pick the best program in that city. You can always go to MGH, Hopkins, UCSF for name but i think a mid tier program in your city of future employment would probably serve you as well.

I definetely agree w/ this statement:
"No doubt you will get a job and probably a good one from going to an IVY, but all these private groups have ties with these local programs and are activly recruiting from the area, because that is what they do. You will get offers that from these people while in residency. From somewhere else you will have to do a little more work yourself and from your chair, and you could land one, but believe me there were more options available for those local. "

And to me a good job is the job that you want when you want it. You always have to keep your options open like i said. Usualy you're looking for high pay, quick partnership, low call, working w/ people you can relate to and most importantly being able to practice the way you like. whether this is working 24/7 and alternating between the ICU and cardiac or working 6months on 6months off. A job w/ friends who respect you and you them, and a job which you love. This to me is the top/best job.

So if I know i will stay in So Cal, I could go to MGH, JH and get a "top" job in LA w/ some scutwork and help from chair, or I could go to UCLA (a tier under the others) and still get a top job and supposidly easier cause you are networking all that time.

it's nine degress here. have you ever tried taking a pee outside in that kinda weather? huh, have you? well, i dont reccomend it.
i cant wait to get to No Cal, anybody reccomend a good place to stay?

Ok, let me see if i dont have a handle on this:

At this point in time the job market is soooo wide open, you can be a graduate of the Clown School of Timbuktu and still land a solid job. I think when we ask about "name brand" most of us are thinking about keeping all our options open and about the future when the market might get tight (hope for the best, prepare for the worst sort of thing).

I think that if you absolutely know you want to live in one city forever then pick the best program in that city. You can always go to MGH, Hopkins, UCSF for name but i think a mid tier program in your city of future employment would probably serve you as well.

I definetely agree w/ this statement:
"No doubt you will get a job and probably a good one from going to an IVY, but all these private groups have ties with these local programs and are activly recruiting from the area, because that is what they do. You will get offers that from these people while in residency. From somewhere else you will have to do a little more work yourself and from your chair, and you could land one, but believe me there were more options available for those local. "

And to me a good job is the job that you want when you want it. You always have to keep your options open like i said. Usualy you're looking for high pay, quick partnership, low call, working w/ people you can relate to and most importantly being able to practice the way you like. whether this is working 24/7 and alternating between the ICU and cardiac or working 6months on 6months off. A job w/ friends who respect you and you them, and a job which you love. This to me is the top/best job.

So if I know i will stay in So Cal, I could go to MGH, JH and get a "top" job in LA w/ some scutwork and help from chair, or I could go to UCLA (a tier under the others) and still get a top job and supposidly easier cause you are networking all that time.

it's nine degress here. have you ever tried taking a pee outside in that kinda weather? huh, have you? well, i dont reccomend it.
i cant wait to get to No Cal, anybody reccomend a good place to stay?

the market is such in flux my friends that nobody keeps one job for more than a few years.. maybe a little longer.. but usually there is some dispute and the anesthesiologists move on.. its not like 20 years ago where you were at one place forever..