Hi, I'm a Veterinarian from Peru. I'm enrolled en the ECFVG program of the AVMA to get my licence. I would like to contact another foreign vets enrolled in the same program to interchange experiences and information or any other vet who can give some information about groups of study or material available before I take the boards.
Hope to hear from you soon !

I'm pretty sure (99%) that UF has an online study/class/lecture series geared towards foreign grads sitting for the NAVLE. Not sure how to get it though...maybe contact someone important (ie. not me) at UF. :)

Hai
I am new immigrant to USA and a graduate in Veterinary Medicine.Hope by now you would have got some lead to resources for NAVLE exam. Can U give me the addresses.

rocibell Hi, I'm a Veterinarian from Peru. I'm enrolled en the ECFVG program of the AVMA to get my licence. I would like to contact another foreign vets enrolled in the same program to interchange experiences and information or any other vet who can give some information about groups of study or material available before I take the boards.
Hope to hear from you soon !


HI Rocibell, I am from Peru and I want information about the licensure in the states. There is a four-step procedure before obtain the license as I know, but I dont know how obtain the papers and all that things so maybe we could help us in this hard way.
Lets keep in touch. Bye

Hi, I've already finished NAVLE and english proficiency test and been waiting for me to be prepared for the CPE exam.
I'm wondering if there are any source for the test. I've heard that there are some books and videos for it. Please let me know.

Hi, I've already finished NAVLE and english proficiency test and been waiting for me to be prepared for the CPE exam.
I'm wondering if there are any source for the test. I've heard that there are some books and videos for it. Please let me know.

Hi !

Can you tell me how you finish Navle?

I want to know your way of study & study material.

Shani

Hi,
wow so to pass the NAVLE is possible! congratulation!
How did you do? could you give some hints?
I don't know if this is good material to study for the CPE, but they sell some notes on this website:
http://www.vcrc.net/cpe.htm
good luck!

Hi,

I passed the NAVLE exam in December and I am now facing the CPE exam.
I can't find very specific explanations of what is expectetd of us and I would like to know if somebody could get her hands on the CPE manual.
Let me know, thanks,

Hi,

I am Menaka, Iam preparing for NAVLE for dec 2006, let me congratulate u on ur success in NAVLE!
Could you please suggest me on how to prepare for NAVLE and the material that I need to follow to get through, thank you very much.
Iam sorry I am not of help to u with regard to the CPE.

Thank u



Hi,

I passed the NAVLE exam in December and I am now facing the CPE exam.
I can't find very specific explanations of what is expectetd of us and I would like to know if somebody could get her hands on the CPE manual.
Let me know, thanks,

Hi, I'm a Veterinarian from Peru. I'm enrolled en the ECFVG program of the AVMA to get my licence. I would like to contact another foreign vets enrolled in the same program to interchange experiences and information or any other vet who can give some information about groups of study or material available before I take the boards.
Hope to hear from you soon !
hi im current final year student from punjab, india. u can read merk vet manual .

Hi, I've already finished NAVLE and english proficiency test and been waiting for me to be prepared for the CPE exam.
I'm wondering if there are any source for the test. I've heard that there are some books and videos for it. Please let me know.
After applying for cpe, you will get the manual of the administration from ecfvg.
That is all I know. I am going to take this test in December and also would like to find some more informations about it.

You can get it (manual) from ecfvg once you apply for cpe.

hi!
its great you to know that you've passed navle, i wounnder how you did it i'm also foreign graduate i would be very greatful if you could kindly give me tips, show me how to prepare for the test.I'm really in need of help.wish yoy luck for your next step.
diren

HI!
I haven't been checking this forum for a long time because I wasn't getting answers at the beginning. Today I openned and I found many messages. What tells me, that there are many foreign veterinarians out there trying to get the licence but with not much help available.
I got my degree in Peru in 2000. I worked for a while there and then moved to US. I took ESL classes for about 2 years and after that I started working as a technician. I'm enrolled in the ECFVG program but I'm still in step 2 (I haven't been able to get 26 in the speaking section of the toefl yet :( but I am really close)
At the same time studying for the boards. I have compiled all the information about all we need to do about requirements and forms in every step and for taking the NAVLE. Most of the information is available in the AVMA web page and NAVLE page. I also have some information about the books we need.
Are you still in Peru? Did you pass the TOEFL? or Are you giving the boards soon? I really would like to start a group of study with all the people that is planning to take the boards.
Let me know, and tell me your name
I hope to hear from you soon UPCH
Rocio

Hi, I've already finished NAVLE and english proficiency test and been waiting for me to be prepared for the CPE exam.
I'm wondering if there are any source for the test. I've heard that there are some books and videos for it. Please let me know.
Can you tell me your sources of study ? I'm currently preparing for the NAVLE , If you have some books I"m interested in buying
Thanks!

Hi, I'm a Veterinarian from Peru. I'm enrolled en the ECFVG program of the AVMA to get my licence. I would like to contact another foreign vets enrolled in the same program to interchange experiences and information or any other vet who can give some information about groups of study or material available before I take the boards.
Hope to hear from you soon !
hi rocibell!
It's nice to know that there is some one out there like me who is a foreign vet. graduate, i understand that you've been here for quite a long time, i came here few months back and know all the steps about getting licence but my problem is how to prepare for NAVLE test, are there any ageny who gives coaching or some kind of courses like that ,i felt relieved when i came across many people like me in the forum, may be we can share more of our experiences in the near future. :goodluck:

diren,

Hi there
Is there a link where I can learn more about NAVLE??
Thanks

I passed the NAVLE last year and I found the Mosby study guides very helpful. I am looking for study guides for the CPE. Anyone know of any good ones? How are the ones given by the ECFVG?

Dear Vets,

Nice to see you all here. I am also preparing for NAVLE and looking for more material to get through this step, I have some material like 'A to Z' and the video files from University of Florida which are very helpful; I can share those with you.
Please let me know if you have more information on the material to be shared among us.

Thanks a lot

VIN is also a good resource (there are members from many different countries) they have tons of CE courses. http://www.vin.com

hi everybody

Hi, I graduated from veterinary school in Kiev Ukraine, then I worked in Morocco as a veterinarian. I came to the States, I'm also enrolled in the ECVFG program, but I haven't passed step 2. I didn't get the speaking passing score of 26. I would like some advice from people who already passed the english proficiency exam. I'm also preparing at the same time for the NAVLE exam and would like advice for this as well. I would also like to meet other people in the same situation.

Hallo,

I am khalid from Canada, Doing some navle tests as well. I think it is better to have some discussion about the tasks and topics.

I am veterinarian from Europe and I intend to enroll in ECFVG program.I have a problem to pass English exam.I was searching through the Internet last few days and found this site.I haven't met any foreign vet in US yet and I would be very happy to make a contacts.I am looking for material for NAVLE and wondering about new exam which should start these fall as a requirement .I would like to know how long would take me to prepare for NAVLE.I am looking forward to get a replay from you.Best wishes.Gala.

I just have a problem with my computer now.I don't know how to delate this message.I am sorry if I confuze you.

Hi Gala,
they haven't released yet the new test. But you can start preparing for the navle, go to www.zukureview.com or www.vetprep.com
they are very good
let me know if you need more help
Rocio

I am so happy that you answer on my message to fast.I would like to know did you pass English exam and NAVLE test and how they were.Thank you for your suggestion about study material.I hope that I get your message soon. Gala.

I am so happy that you answer on my message to fast.I would like to know did you pass English exam and NAVLE test and how they were.Thank you for your suggestion about study material.I hope that I get your message soon. Gala.

Hi,
I just passed the toefl (finally) in January and I'm taking the Navle in April. It took me a while to pass the toefl because of the speaking part. I think the key to pass the Toefl is just practice, practice, practice and don't talk in your language too much :) Good luck!

Hi,
I just passed the toefl (finally) in January and I'm taking the Navle in April. It took me a while to pass the toefl because of the speaking part. I think the key to pass the Toefl is just practice, practice, practice and don't talk in your language too much :) Good luck!
Congradulations for TOEFL and good luck for NAVLE.Do you know how long I need to prepare for NAVLE and which material is the best.
Gala

to whom it was hard to do listening or speaking parts in new TOEFL, it may be a good idea to try IELTS academic, i passed my IELTS, and i could't get enough in speaking part of TOEFL, i took it twice, so try IELTS.

I did the IELTS too and passed the first time, and it is cheaper than TOEFL!!
give it a try!:luck:

http://www.vetmed.lib.umn.edu/students/navle

Hi,
I live in NY and I'm trying to pass the board exam. for vet.student , I don't know what the books I have to study before the exam. specially I graduated from Cairo(Egypt ) 1989 and forget most of the study material , so I need your advise for what is the good and not expensive study material I should get it to pass the exam.

thank you for your help
http://img.studentdoctor.net/images/icons/icon9.gif R. Saleh

Hi, I'm a Veterinarian from Peru. I'm enrolled en the ECFVG program of the AVMA to get my licence. I would like to contact another foreign vets enrolled in the same program to interchange experiences and information or any other vet who can give some information about groups of study or material available before I take the boards.
Hope to hear from you soon !


Hi, I'm in the same satuation like me, please let me know if you get any answer to your question

Hi !

Can you tell me how you finish Navle?

I want to know your way of study & study material.

Shani


Hi,
I live in NY and I'm trying to pass the board exam. for vet.student , I don't know what the books I have to study before the exam. specially I graduated from Cairo(Egypt ) 1989 and forget most of the study material , so I need your advise for what is the good and not expensive study material I should get it to pass the exam.

thank you for your help
R. Saleh

I just have a problem with my computer now.I don't know how to delate this message.I am sorry if I confuze you.

Hi Gala

Please let me know if you get any answer for your question , please share these info. with me

Rafat enjoy

Veterinary board review book : a complete review for the NAVLE and clinics / by written by Joshua Furman. 2006


Swine diseases for boards : a review guide for the NAVLE / Audio Achievements. 2006


Veterinary board review [CD ROM] / Paul Pratt. 2001.


Veterinary correspondence revision course. 1998.
TC Veterinary Medical Library Quarto SF756.3.V483x.1998

Review Questions and answers for veterinary boards/Pratt, Paul. 1993. 4vols.


Self Assessment Questions and Answers for Small Animal Practitioners/ Pratt, Paul. 1993.


Practice form of the veterinary medical licensing examination of the National Board Examination Committee in cooperation with the Professional Examination Service/ Professional Examination Service. 1993.


Veterinary Pursuits: a review for board exams/ Buckingham, Frank. 1992.


Mosby’s review questions & answers for veterinary boards / edited by Paul W. Pratt. 1998.
Five separate volumes: Basic Sciences; Ancillary Topics; Small Animal Medicine and Surgery; Clinical Sciences; Large Animal Medicine and Surgery.


Practice form of the clinical competency test (CCT) in veterinary medicine/ Professional Examination Services. 1988.


Information for Candidates on the national board examination for veterinary medical licensing/ Professional Examination Service. 1988.

Hello everyone,
Does anybody know someone who wants to sell VCRC?I just found out about my failure on Navle in Dec and I am a little upset about it.I don,t know what I do wrong in my preparation strategy but I must correct it .I feel like April is my only chance left and that makes me that much more nervous.So ,guys if someone has any good suggestions and wants to share with me please give me a hand .Is VCRC WORTH the time to go through it or Merck remains the golden tool for the test?

Thanks to all of you who will decide to reply .


bgvet2005

Hi,
I live in NY and I'm trying to pass the board exam. for vet.student , I don't know what the books I have to study before the exam. specially I graduated from Cairo(Egypt ) 1989 and forget most of the study material , so I need your advise for what is the good and not expensive study material I should get it to pass the exam.

thank you for your help
R. Saleh


Here are some links to more review material for the NAVLE

http://www.vetmed.lib.umn.edu/students/navle

good luck!

Hi guys!
Just in case you don't know there are 2 ways to get our license.

One is through the ECFVG program of the AVMA
http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/default.asp

the other is through the PAVE program of the AAVSB
http://www.aavsb.org/PAVE/PAVEHome.aspx

Here is a link where they compare both programs:
http://www.aavsb.org/PAVE/ChartPAVEvECFVG.pdf

Merck manual and
https://www.vetprep.com/simboards/web/index.jsp
Mosby books
and a lot, a lot of study
Good Luck

Hi, I graduated from veterinary school in Kiev Ukraine, then I worked in Morocco as a veterinarian. I came to the States, I'm also enrolled in the ECVFG program, but I haven't passed step 2. I didn't get the speaking passing score of 26. I would like some advice from people who already passed the english proficiency exam. I'm also preparing at the same time for the NAVLE exam and would like advice for this as well. I would also like to meet other people in the same situation.
Try IELTS it's much easier than toefl

Hi,

I am Menaka, Iam preparing for NAVLE for dec 2006, let me congratulate u on ur success in NAVLE!
Could you please suggest me on how to prepare for NAVLE and the material that I need to follow to get through, thank you very much.
Iam sorry I am not of help to u with regard to the CPE.

Thank u

I have some review for the CPE but I can't post here, email me: richyvet@hotmail.com
And how did you passed the navle? I failed last Dec

Hi,

I passed the NAVLE exam in December and I am now facing the CPE exam.
I can't find very specific explanations of what is expectetd of us and I would like to know if somebody could get her hands on the CPE manual.
Let me know, thanks,
Hi: I have some material for the CPE but I can't post it here, email me richyvet@hotmail.com
How did you passed the navle? I failed last Dec.

Hello everyone,
Does anybody know someone who wants to sell VCRC?I just found out about my failure on Navle in Dec and I am a little upset about it.I don,t know what I do wrong in my preparation strategy but I must correct it .I feel like April is my only chance left and that makes me that much more nervous.So ,guys if someone has any good suggestions and wants to share with me please give me a hand .Is VCRC WORTH the time to go through it or Merck remains the golden tool for the test?

Thanks to all of you who will decide to reply .


bgvet2005

I'm in the same situation, I studyed hard and failed last Dec (navle) try zukureview.com and vetprep.
If you are interested: richyvet@hotmail.com

hello, I am a DVM from Colombia. I live in NY. I am preparing to take the TOEFL. I do have the vcrc and some other material to study for the NAVLE I will be glad to share it with u guys.

hello, I am a DVM from Colombia. I live in NY. I am preparing to take the TOEFL. I do have the vcrc and some other material to study for the NAVLE I will be glad to share it with u guys.

Hi Ruffo: I'm from Colombia too, is you don't pass toefl, try IELTS it's much easier. I wasted 1 year trying to passed the TSE or ibTOEFL and I never got the spoken score. Any Q? : richyvet@hotmail.com
Goo Luck

www.vcrc.net

Please! Let me know how do I get in touch with you!

That was to Ruffo!

Dear vets from all over the Earth!

Is it possible to prepare for NAVLE and CPE without working at vet clinic?

What kind of a job possition is possible to take since I'm not a certified vet yet?

Hi guys
iam a foreign graduate too preparing for BCSE ( replacing NAVEl ) .
does anyone has a second plan if being a licenced vet is impossible after many trials for pursuing education in another field would share with us what fields are suitable for us as foreign graduates ???
thanks

[QUOTE=BelVet;4756384]Dear vets from all over the Earth!

Is it possible to prepare for NAVLE and CPE without working at vet clinic?

What kind of a job possition is possible to take since I'm not a certified vet yet?[/QUOTE

Hi: If you are not certificate veterinarian technician: Don't worry, you can work as a tech. The only thing you need to know is to convince the clinic you apply for that you are able to perform: lab work, withdrow blood, put iv catheters and inhalation anesthesia. I worked as a tech for about 3 years and I quieted to study for the navle, and I'm still studing, I failed last Dec but I'm gonna pass in April. My advice: Don't be discourage, it takes time but you will get your liscence, step by step.

For NAVLE prerparation there are someood refrences:
1-Merck Manual
2-Mosby books
I,ve just started,we can have a good discussion group

Hi
iam a foreign graduate preparing for NAVLE.i have just started preparation in jan.it seems to be impossible to complete all the systems in merck's mannual.Please can anyone suggest me how to prepare?
Thanks in advance

Hi,
I just graduate as a Vet in Peru and I was looking for information about the tests that we have to take to be licensed. So far the mesanges thar I've found here where extremely usefull. But today I found that now we are suposed to take another step 3 on the NAVLE and ESFVG webs.

Did you know that "Beginning with the fall 2007 NAVLE administration, ECFVG candidates will no longer be able to take the NAVLE as part of the ECFVG program. This will coincide with the introduction of the ECFVG's new step 3 examination"? (http://www.nbvme.org/?id=14&page=Information+for+Foreign+Graduates) :scared:

Looking foward to exchange more information,
Nic.

Hi,
am I the only one who's wondering why only one American vet posted in this thread ? :confused:
Francesca

Hi, i just joined this website. trying to pass NAVLE. I thought I had done it all until i got my result last dec....i need to find somone with whom i can exchange notes & discuss...plz contact if somone interested...[quote=BelVet;4756384]Dear vets from all over the Earth!

Is it possible to prepare for NAVLE and CPE without working at vet clinic?

What kind of a job possition is possible to take since I'm not a certified vet yet?[/QUOTE

Hi: If you are not certificate veterinarian technician: Don't worry, you can work as a tech. The only thing you need to know is to convince the clinic you apply for that you are able to perform: lab work, withdrow blood, put iv catheters and inhalation anesthesia. I worked as a tech for about 3 years and I quieted to study for the navle, and I'm still studing, I failed last Dec but I'm gonna pass in April. My advice: Don't be discourage, it takes time but you will get your liscence, step by step.

hi,i m veterinarian graduated from europe(spain),i m living in USA,and i need to know in the same situation,(preparing IELTS and AVME).
Really i need help,because i dont have no idea.
thanks for your relpy

Hi, I graduated from veterinary school in Kiev Ukraine, then I worked in Morocco as a veterinarian. I came to the States, I'm also enrolled in the ECVFG program, but I haven't passed step 2. I didn't get the speaking passing score of 26. I would like some advice from people who already passed the english proficiency exam. I'm also preparing at the same time for the NAVLE exam and would like advice for this as well. I would also like to meet other people in the same situation.
me too i m in same situation,i m moroccan,and i m veterinarian.i just start for step 2now.
good luck

hi,i m veterinarian graduated from europe(spain),i m living in USA,and i need to know in the same situation,(preparing IELTS and AVME).
Really i need help,because i dont have no idea.
thanks for your relpy

Hola Puyo:
Mira: es mas facil pasar el IELTS que el toefl, solo porque la parte hablada la califican muy duro, yo me gaste casi un anho para pasar el antiguo TSE o test of spoken english, si queres contactarme: richyvet@hotmail.com

[hello. how long do you live here? do you have your license?

That was to Ruffo!

angeladussan@yahoo.com (angeladussan@yahoo.com) send an email:)

Hi guys, i was looking for material to prepare for the CPE exam and i found this forum. I am a graduate from Mexico but i've lived (and practiced vet med) in the US since 2003 (in a place where i don't need license). Nevertheless i want to have my license to be able to get another position if the opportunity comes up. I did not passed the NAVLE exam the 1st time for 5 points (pretty painful) so i decided to have a better strategy for my last attempt (last December); i passed with 100 points over the mark so it's possible. It takes time and discipline. Here is what i think is a good approach, may not work for everyone but it's a start:

1) Preparation notes from vet students in 4th year- i found this to be the key. I got them from my students that were sitting at the same time i was. The notes were comprehensive and with what you need. Contact (maybe trough this website) 4th year vet students in the U.S and ask them for NAVLE review notes. They have review classes and are the best. The A-Z review that is floating around is SO outdated that i did not find it useful.
2) Concentrate in dog, cat, horse and cattle medicine; if you don't have time for pigs and small ruminants, exotics, etc is OK. Everyone freaks out about pigs but in reallity if you cruise on the other topics even if you fail pigs, you are OK.
3) Use Merck or other good books (Kirk, Ettinger, Nelson) for big topics, do not rely on summaries, MOSBY, etc for that. Read them well (all the endocrine stuff in small animals, infectious in horses, etc).
4) Review topics using the UFLA videos (>20 videos), take notes of them and read them again before the exam. Do not use them as only source. They take time (videos are +/- 1hr or more) and if you write notes up to 3 hours but worth to write notes.
5) Sign in on Zuku.com review (free, and OK) or vetprep.com (not free but great) and practice after studying.
NOTE: You will not be able to pass studying only on Q&A books or websites, believe me.
I studied an average of 5hrs a day since July (after the WorldCup :) ) and took my exam on Dec 8th, so 5 months of hard work but it paid off.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL, and do not get discourage if you don't pass the first or 2nd time. IT IS DOABLE.
carsan98

Hi guys, i was looking for material to prepare for the CPE exam and i found this forum. I am a graduate from Mexico but i've lived (and practiced vet med) in the US since 2003 (in a place where i don't need license). Nevertheless i want to have my license to be able to get another position if the opportunity comes up. I did not passed the NAVLE exam the 1st time for 5 points (pretty painful) so i decided to have a better strategy for my last attempt (last December); i passed with 100 points over the mark so it's possible. It takes time and discipline. Here is what i think is a good approach, may not work for everyone but it's a start:

1) Preparation notes from vet students in 4th year- i found this to be the key. I got them from my students that were sitting at the same time i was. The notes were comprehensive and with what you need. Contact (maybe trough this website) 4th year vet students in the U.S and ask them for NAVLE review notes. They have review classes and are the best. The A-Z review that is floating around is SO outdated that i did not find it useful.
2) Concentrate in dog, cat, horse and cattle medicine; if you don't have time for pigs and small ruminants, exotics, etc is OK. Everyone freaks out about pigs but in reallity if you cruise on the other topics even if you fail pigs, you are OK.
3) Use Merck or other good books (Kirk, Ettinger, Nelson) for big topics, do not rely on summaries, MOSBY, etc for that. Read them well (all the endocrine stuff in small animals, infectious in horses, etc).
4) Review topics using the UFLA videos (>20 videos), take notes of them and read them again before the exam. Do not use them as only source. They take time (videos are +/- 1hr or more) and if you write notes up to 3 hours but worth to write notes.
5) Sign in on Zuku.com review (free, and OK) or vetprep.com (not free but great) and practice after studying.
NOTE: You will not be able to pass studying only on Q&A books or websites, believe me.
I studied an average of 5hrs a day since July (after the WorldCup :) ) and took my exam on Dec 8th, so 5 months of hard work but it paid off.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL, and do not get discourage if you don't pass the first or 2nd time. IT IS DOABLE.
carsan98
Thanks for the review Carsan98. It is the best I've seen since in here.

I'm preparing for the fall administration, so It would be a pretty hard summer, working as tech and studying for the NAVLE.



I got two questions,

1/ I've heard the toughest exam is the CPE, or clinical, and that now there is no way of doing an intership or a residency to convalidate it. Is it true or there is still a program where to perform the internship instead??



2/ Have you use the VCRC? I just bought them, but still waiting for the shipping. Is it a good source to use and trust??



Thanks in advance!!

there is still a program that offers the one year of rotations (4th year of vet schoo)
Check www.aavsb.org
I'm also in the same situation , working as a tech and studying for the boards, but I think I will enroll the pave pretty soon.
Good luck!
rocibell_ok@yahoo.com

Hello you can e mail me at:yassine02@yahoo.fr
me too i m in same situation,i m moroccan,and i m veterinarian.i just start for step 2now.
good luck

For NAVLE prerparation there are someood refrences:
1-Merck Manual
2-Mosby books
I,ve just started,we can have a good discussion group


HI everyone

If you kow anyone want to sell VCRC(vet. correspond.review course) , please let me know or e-mail me at : helwan2@yahoo.com or at rafatsaleh1@hotmail.com
please let me know ASAP , thank you
Rafat

Dear Vets,

Nice to see you all here. I am also preparing for NAVLE and looking for more material to get through this step, I have some material like 'A to Z' and the video files from University of Florida which are very helpful; I can share those with you.
Please let me know if you have more information on the material to be shared among us.

Thanks a lot
Hi, I'm a Veterinarian from Egypt , I'm looking also for source of study ,if you know somone want to sell VCRC (vet. corresp. review course ) , please let me know I'll buy it , please e-mail me at : helwan2@yahoo.com or at rsaleh@jhmc.org thank you very much
Rafat

I graduated vet school in Poland and I passed my NAVLE and now I am getting ready for the CPE. It has been a long and difficult process but don't give up. The best advice I can give you is be familiar with the NAVLE content and know what your weakness is. Large animal or small? and focus on that first. I am a native english speaker so it was easier for me but we all learned this school too! I think that USA vets think differently then those from Europe. I learned by being a vet tech many helpful things that no book could teach me. I highly recommend working at a good vet practice (needs to be good teaching environment) with techs and drs who will support you and teach you. Don't give up, you can do it. Write me at ski05liv@yahoo.com if you have questions or need anything. Good Luck!

Hi,
I live in NY and I'm trying to pass the board exam. for vet.student , I don't know what the books I have to study before the exam. specially I graduated from Cairo(Egypt ) 1989 and forget most of the study material , so I need your advise for what is the good and not expensive study material I should get it to pass the exam.

thank you for your help
http://img.studentdoctor.net/images/icons/icon9.gif R. Saleh

I am new to this forum. I have heard to have Merck's manual as your guide to study. I personally do not like it because it is too elaborate. Have you any leads on this. I will greatly appreciate your help. I am in the same boat as you are in.

Dear vets from all over the Earth!

Is it possible to prepare for NAVLE and CPE without working at vet clinic?

What kind of a job possition is possible to take since I'm not a certified vet yet?

Yes, if you want, you can apply as Vet Tech in the hospitals. That will give you lot of experience.

these are the best:
Merck, A-Z, Mosby CD rom Q&A, Florida UN course (this need user name / password), if you contact them they will give to you.
don't wast time on pigs, fish.....

Hi, I'm a Veterinarian from Peru. I'm enrolled en the ECFVG program of the AVMA to get my licence. I would like to contact another foreign vets enrolled in the same program to interchange experiences and information or any other vet who can give some information about groups of study or material available before I take the boards.
Hope to hear from you soon !
Hi
I am sumesh a vet graduated from INDIA. I heard that NAVLE exam only valid not ECFVG programme for licence .Moreover internship in invalid , only CPE is need. I have so many doubts
Iam preparing for NAVLE share with u
please email me
sumesatvet@yahoo.co.uk

Hi
Iam a vet grauduated from INDIA, preparing for NAVLE, i heard there is mosby 's 5 series books and CD rom , review of vet board exam in USA.
Please visit www.mosby.com
At the same time , national veterinary series 5 text books are available , small animal, farm anima,l equine like that.
u can also use these books
please contact me
sumesatvet@yahoo.co.uk
my name is Sumesh

How much fee for florida UN course 4 PREP navle?

[quote=BelVet;4756384]Dear vets from all over the Earth!

Is it possible to prepare for NAVLE and CPE without working at vet clinic?

What kind of a job possition is possible to take since I'm not a certified vet yet?[/QUOTE

Hi: If you are not certificate veterinarian technician: Don't worry, you can work as a tech. The only thing you need to know is to convince the clinic you apply for that you are able to perform: lab work, withdrow blood, put iv catheters and inhalation anesthesia. I worked as a tech for about 3 years and I quieted to study for the navle, and I'm still studing, I failed last Dec but I'm gonna pass in April. My advice: Don't be discourage, it takes time but you will get your liscence, step by step.



Dear friends
A vet graduated from India, Wish u all the best for ur exam , NAVLE iam also studying for it. I heard that some preparatory course running by some university . do u know abt it.
I need ur email
plez mail me
sumesatvet@gmail.com

Hi Corsan 98
Thanks a lot you for your kindness , you made a great contribution to this forum. I am sure a benevolent colleague like you will surely pass the CPE without any trouble.

Take care
keyvet

http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/bcse_bulletin.asp

....visit link above for details of the new Vet exam (BCSE) &
start studying?!...(smile).

Hope helpful
Jimi

I'm glad I found this forum. I also took the Navle without success, the passing score is 70 and i got 63, I wasn't prepared for all the equine questions. Now the ECFVG has come up with the new test, they said sample questions will be posted at the end of May along with some literature as referece. Any suggestions to study for this test? I have the Mosby materials, Merck and some study materials but they are probably 4-5 years old. I read that people are having trouble with the Test of Spoken English, my advice is SPEAK LOUD in the test and if you think you did well and your score is low send them a complaint letter; it worked for me.

Hello. I'm an American studying veterinary medicine in the cayman islands. Hopefully some of my insight can help you guys.


1. Someone mentioned the ECVFG eliminating the "clinical year" as a substitute for taking the Clinical Proficiency Examination (CPE). This is TRUE. Now everyone will be required to take the CPE.

2. There is a difference between students completing their clinical year at a US veterinary school vs. completing a clinical year of study to substitute the CPE. 3 veterinary schools in the Caribbean have direct affiliations with US veterinary schools, and we complete our final year, or clinical year, of veterinary school at one of those affiliated universities. The ECVFG was referring to a clinical year of study after graduating from vet school. But since this option has been eliminated it doesn't really matter anymore.

3. I believe the Merck Manual is a very good study source for the NAVLE. However, it is very concise and I am afraid it will not be strong enough to stand alone as a supplemental study guide.


4. There is also a second option when trying to obtain US licensure. It's called the PAVE. It appears that the ECVFG is becoming more and more like the PAVE, as the PAVE already requires a written examination before you can sit for the NAVLE. The only drawback to the PAVE is that only 24 US jurisdictions currently recognize it, but this list is growing every year.


5. I have constantly heard good things about the University of Florida's supplemental material to prepare for the NAVLE. Someone has already mentioned the details about it on this thread, so I would recommend looking into that.



Hope this helps clear up a few areas. Good luck everyone!

these are the best:
Merck, A-Z, Mosby CD rom Q&A, Florida UN course (this need user name / password), if you contact them they will give to you.
don't wast time on pigs, fish.....

i've seen a few references to these videos at florida, but no link to them. can you post a link? i went to the cvm site and did a search but found nothing promising.

as for practicing in the u.s. without a license, i believe if you work for a university (some universities - minnesota appears to be one), you're covered under their umbrella somehow. for those of you who haven't yet passed the navle or may not really want to, it's an option.

cheers!

i've seen a few references to these videos at florida, but no link to them. can you post a link? i went to the cvm site and did a search but found nothing promising.

as for practicing in the u.s. without a license, i believe if you work for a university (some universities - minnesota appears to be one), you're covered under their umbrella somehow. for those of you who haven't yet passed the navle or may not really want to, it's an option.

cheers!

This does not work. You can not have a license to practice in the particular STATE and get under the University umbrella, but you do have to be licensed in at least ONE state (which requires passing NAVLE).

:) Hello if you are a peruvian veterinary graduate please write me at doctordog2005@hotmail.com we can exchange some info.

Have u tried Ilets? I got it from the first time

This does not work. You can not have a license to practice in the particular STATE and get under the University umbrella, but you do have to be licensed in at least ONE state (which requires passing NAVLE).

you may be right. all i know is when i was at the uni minnesota, there was a vet from costa rica working there said he didn't want to bother with licensure. may have misunderstood. but that's what i heard.

Have you passed NAVLE?

Hi guys, I am from Czech republic and just passed the NAVLE, I would love to know someone who knows more details about CPE. Thanks, Jitka.

Hi guys, I have just passed the NAVLE so if any of you have any questions about how to start the licensing and TOEFL, NAVLE, feel free to write me on jitkarie@yahoo.com as I know how it feels when you don't know where to start.

Hi:
I passed me NAVLE in April, and would like to touch base with someone preparing for the CPE.

Have you passed NAVLE?
Khalid:
Are you done with your NAVLE?
Ali

Hi guys!

What source are you using to study for the BCSE. If we were to get books on each subject we would have to spend years to learn everything. Is there any outline of what is important, what is not, or any study material focused on BCSE preparation?? Someone said the VCRC also prepares for that, but I have some doubts about it. The BCSE sounds more general, Navle more specific. Has anyone already sat for this exam??

:confused: Don´t know where to start!!

Hi!
I am a european graduate and also just passed the NAVLE :hardy:, after failing once in December. I prepared for 2 years, mainly by taking the Mosby questions, identifying my weak areas (small animal endocrinology!) and reading up in the Merck, 5 minute consult, etc..
The only thing I am reading for the cpe at the moment is the Mosby's reviews for the CCT, small and large animals, which is old and not really what the cpe is going to be like, I guess. Has anyone ever taken the cpe, does anyone know what to expect? How do you guys prepare?

Hi guys!

What source are you using to study for the BCSE. If we were to get books on each subject we would have to spend years to learn everything. Is there any outline of what is important, what is not, or any study material focused on BCSE preparation?? Someone said the VCRC also prepares for that, but I have some doubts about it. The BCSE sounds more general, Navle more specific. Has anyone already sat for this exam??

:confused: Don´t know where to start!!

I would still go through the Mosby review books, even if they are old, and concentrate on the basic/clinical basic books. Compare with the list published by ECFVG if you covered the areas. The actual test questions (at least in the NAVLE) are pretty much how they are in the MOSBY books. The NAVLE was purely clinical, so I wasted time going through basic stuff, but it sounds like you are going to need it for the BCSE. Good luck - it is possible to pass! Just sign up and go for it, even if you fail, at least you know what you are dealing with :luck: !

Is anyone enrolled in the PAVE program? If so, can u give me any information/resourses about the qualifying exam. Do u know that The PAVE program accepts the one year post graduation in place of the clincal exam. if anyone is interested I would be happy to exchange information with you.

[quote=jitkarie;5168436]Hi guys, I have just passed the NAVLE so if any of you have any questions about how to start the licensing and TOEFL, NAVLE, feel free to write me on jitkarie@yahoo.com as I know how it feels when you don't know where to start.[/quote

Hi colleague,
I am a European graduate who took the NAVLE w/out success. Also, I completed in April a year of clinical rotation. It was possible to do old step 4 before steps 2, and 3 under petition. I work as a vet. tech (lab. animal) and study. Could you please tell me what is the best way to prepare for NAVLE. I used Mosby, Vet prep (really good) and got only 327 (min requ. is 425). Any suggestions?
Wish you all the best. We can do it!!!!!!!!!!

Hello,

There is a list of questions in all species at NBVME web site:
http://www.nbvme.org/?id=25&page=NAVLE+Activities+and+Diagnoses%2C+2003
I went thru all the questions to make sure that you know: Etiology, epidemiology, Clinical signs, patology and histopathology findings, diagnosis and treatment.
I was studying 5 months only from MERCK veterinary manual (which you can find on line) and from www.zukureview.com. Plus some questions extra from small animals, exotics and horses. Small animal neurology and anemias you have to study in details.
Wish you all the best and luck!!!
Where from Europe are you from?

It was said that ECFVG will post sample questions and reference literature on its website for the BCSE at the end of May, but I did not find the info. Anyone knows about this? If you do, please paste the link. Thanks.

Here is the link to the BCSE Parctice Test:

http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/bcse_practice_test.asp

Good luck!

Is anyone enrolled in the PAVE program? If so, can u give me any information/resourses about the qualifying exam. Do u know that The PAVE program accepts the one year post graduation in place of the clincal exam. if anyone is interested I would be happy to exchange information with you.
i am a vet graduate from india, can any body suggest how to get a vet. tech. job?and i am interested in taking PAVE .can any suggestions about books /references for preparing QE?what is the qualifying score?
about the clinical year programme ,not many colleges r accepting ,will it be a problem.

Hi dear, i am a vet from foreign country and want to get licence.Is anybody help me suggest books for preparing for basic examination?i will be grateful.

Is anybody taking or took the QE(qualifying exam) in PAVE program?

Have any one checked the Basic and Clinical Sciences Examination (BCSE) practice test.
the last question is driving me crazy,

Any one agrees with me that the answer is D not c?
here is the link

http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/bcse_practice_test.asp

Hello you'all. I am enrolled to the PAVE Program, and have already passed section 2, which is the TOEFL test. I have taken the Qualifying Exam already 2 times unsuccessfuly. Does any body outhere has good experience with the QE? I have been studying through Mosby's, Merck and books.

I am new in this forum and I just want to became vet again, I can of loss, I would like to get some advised for you all. thanks

Hello,

And new in this, I have not beging yet, the process, but I can of lost. how many test do I have to take

Hello,

And new in this, I have not beging yet, the process, but I can of lost. how many test do I have to take

before any exams you have to register with ECFVG or Pave, the first is easier. then you need to work on your english so you can pass the TOEFL. once you are registered with the ECFVG program, they will guid you and tell you what to do also their website is very clear on how you can start.
here is where to start:
http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/default.asp
good luck

Have any one checked the Basic and Clinical Sciences Examination (BCSE) practice test.
the last question is driving me crazy,

Any one agrees with me that the answer is D not c?
here is the link

http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/bcse_practice_test.asp

Yes, I agree, and I can't tell you why. Be aware that these questions popped up numerous times in the NAVLE too, usually as a table with positives and negatives, and lots of questions about predictive values etc.. I can't tell you where, but you'd better read up on some epidemiology book. I was fortunate enough to pass the NAVLE without really understanding these questions...

hi Everybody...
i am a veterinarian from India and have just arrived in america. like many of you i am also planning to apply for the vety licence in USA. i have found that under the new licence examination system there are two ways to appear for NAVLE. either get registered with AVMA (ECFVG channel) or with AASVB (PAVE channel). the advantage with AVMA is that it's registration fees is $1000/- while of PAVE is $1050. secondly if your high school education medium was english then you get waiver for english language test under ECFVG pattern.

don't know how to start preparing for new step BSCE. what is it's syllabus?
i am going through Merecks Manual as that's the only book i am having at thsi moment.

anybody out there from India who is at my stage and preparing to appear for BSCE please contact me at matrisandhu@gmail.com

best of luck to all

Yes, I agree, and I can't tell you why. Be aware that these questions popped up numerous times in the NAVLE too, usually as a table with positives and negatives, and lots of questions about predictive values etc.. I can't tell you where, but you'd better read up on some epidemiology book. I was fortunate enough to pass the NAVLE without really understanding these questions...

I knew it!!!!!!!!!!
I did the NAVLE last April, and I scored 424. as you know the passing point was 425, Lucky me, I failed :laugh:, I though it was very funny , one point....

I know that the reason was these questions that I never knew any thing about. 4-5 questions that I'm sure they were all wrong. It's funny that none of the notes or books that I went through, and they were too many, ever mentioned these questions.
Now I have to do the BCSE ... even funnier :laugh:

i'll take the BCSE on july 14....i would like to know if there's anyone will take the exam ,the next round or so.......?? shoot me an email samaan.mark@gmail.com

I knew it!!!!!!!!!!
I did the NAVLE last April, and I scored 424. as you know the passing point was 425, Lucky me, I failed :laugh:, I though it was very funny , one point....

I know that the reason was these questions that I never knew any thing about. 4-5 questions that I'm sure they were all wrong. It's funny that none of the notes or books that I went through, and they were too many, ever mentioned these questions.
Now I have to do the BCSE ... even funnier :laugh:


Well, as long as you don't stop laughing... Or do I read some sarcasm between the lines? Anyway, with a score that high you will pass next time :thumbup:
I failed the NAVLE once with 398, and passed the second time with 431. I went through the Mosby questions a few hours daily, just to stay in the "exam-mode", and it helped. I agree, there were a lot of these questions. I had a foreign medical examinee explain them to me (without much success), and couldn't find these tables in any book either. The other thing were regional infectious diseases and deficiencies that you just don't know about if you graduated in another country. Some contacts to recent US graduates would certainly be helpful.
I am still trying to find infos on what to study for the CPE, especially Pathology, Anesthesiology, Surgery and Radiology. Does anyone know what is expected of an "Entry level Veterinarian"? There is a list of common diagnoses on the ECFVG webpage, but nothing for these specific topics. What did we get ourselves into, I wonder sometimes...
Good luck to you all!

i'll take the BCSE on july 14....i would like to know if there's anyone will take the exam ,the next round or so.......?? shoot me an email samaan.mark@gmail.com

Hi there. I am a foreign graduate from Brazil and I will be taking the BCSE on July 14 also. I wish you good luck! I am preparing myself trough the VetPrep, any advice? ;)

........I am still trying to find infos on what to study for the CPE, especially Pathology, Anesthesiology, Surgery and Radiology. Does anyone know what is expected of an "Entry level Veterinarian"? There is a list of common diagnoses on the ECFVG webpage, but nothing for these specific topics. What did we get ourselves into, I wonder sometimes...
Good luck to you all!

I am currently preparing for the CPE myself (will take the exam end of September) and am facing the same questions. I am basically folowing the CPE Exam Manual - it has descriptions on what exactly you are expected to do and how many points you will get for which skill etc. It also has a list of all common diagnoses/topics at the back of it. You get the booklet when you pay your deposit for the CPE. Other than that i am a bit cluless myself and have not been able to find anyone so far who has actually done the exam. Yep, we did serve ourselfs a mighty big plate there, but now having come so far you somehow have to stick it out... It hepls knowing you are not alone though...:o

Hi there. I am a foreign graduate from Brazil and I will be taking the BCSE on July 14 also. I wish you good luck! I am preparing myself trough the VetPrep, any advice? ;)

Hi,i graduated from Cairo university,Egypt, i live in NYC ,for the basic scinces(ANA,histo,physio,patho,pharma) i depend on my notes and mosby and some from the vcrc and i listen to FL lectures
what about the vetprep ,tell me about it?
besides that,on the ECFVG web site ,there's a table for the BCSE exam subjects,they didn't mention microbiology or parasitology...do you think we might have any questions in the exam related to those subjects???

this message for K94EVER
i salute your sense of humor
your score (424) drives anyone to drink!!!!!!!:):D

this message for K94EVER
i salute your sense of humor
your score (424) drives anyone to drink!!!!!!!:):D


Well, our friend K94EVER has passed the NAVLE, it's me who faild DVMJAKISH.,, I'm not kidding with you guys, I was laughing .. and without drinking..

Well, as long as you don't stop laughing... Or do I read some sarcasm between the lines? Anyway, with a score that high you will pass next time :thumbup:
I failed the NAVLE once with 398, and passed the second time with 431. I went through the Mosby questions a few hours daily, just to stay in the "exam-mode", and it helped. I agree, there were a lot of these questions. I had a foreign medical examinee explain them to me (without much success), and couldn't find these tables in any book either. The other thing were regional infectious diseases and deficiencies that you just don't know about if you graduated in another country. Some contacts to recent US graduates would certainly be helpful.
I am still trying to find infos on what to study for the CPE, especially Pathology, Anesthesiology, Surgery and Radiology. Does anyone know what is expected of an "Entry level Veterinarian"? There is a list of common diagnoses on the ECFVG webpage, but nothing for these specific topics. What did we get ourselves into, I wonder sometimes...
Good luck to you all!


I'm hoping that I will pass next time, it won't be funny if I don't.
I met a vet in a veterinary conferance in Seattle couple of weeks ago who did the CPE several years ago, I couldn't get much from her except how much she was upset over spending long time doing pig autopsy and not having enough time to write it.
But also I have red in several places that once you pay for it they will send you a manual that would explain what you should know.
I've been working as vet tech in referal surgical clinic for over a year now, that was the best thing I have ever done twoards my Goal.now I know everything I need about Anethesia, surgery , and radiology.

Hi,i graduated from Cairo university,Egypt, i live in NYC ,for the basic scinces(ANA,histo,physio,patho,pharma) i depend on my notes and mosby and some from the vcrc and i listen to FL lectures
what about the vetprep ,tell me about it?
besides that,on the ECFVG web site ,there's a table for the BCSE exam subjects,they didn't mention microbiology or parasitology...do you think we might have any questions in the exam related to those subjects???

I believe we would see some questions on those topics. The vetprep is a computer based preparation course. You can visit their website at www.vetprep.com (http://www.vetprep.com)
I think it is quite helpful, let's see.
I've already been that close to pass the NAVLE as dvmjakish (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/member.php?u=143428), I didnt pass it by 3 points. I know the feeling.
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Hi,i graduated from Cairo university,Egypt, i live in NYC ,for the basic scinces(ANA,histo,physio,patho,pharma) i depend on my notes and mosby and some from the vcrc and i listen to FL lectures
what about the vetprep ,tell me about it?
besides that,on the ECFVG web site ,there's a table for the BCSE exam subjects,they didn't mention microbiology or parasitology...do you think we might have any questions in the exam related to those subjects???

hi guys, check this website:

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=SRC&S=0&SourceID=42 (http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=SRC&S=0&SourceID=42)

it has most of small animal diseases with photos, in very simple language.it should cover lots of question about pathology and medicine.
this exam seems to be very similar to the vet tech exam I did 3 years ago, so I'm also reading the Mosbys comprehensive review for veterinay technicians. , this book is very good for basics.

Hi, I just graduated a few weeks ago from vet school in Germany and eventually I want to take my tests in the states. I would like to find someone to study with.
I live in the Boston area. So if anyone is interested please let me know
my email bunnybalou@yahoo.com

i am at the second year of vet med in cairo univeresty

and iam from egypt

i want to know the first step i must do after graduation to practice vet med in america

and what is the defferint between ecfvg and novle

and what is the name of the thing which i will take to practice vet med in america

i want some one take arabic to hep me more

my emails

ahmed_sayed690@yahoo.com

dr_best_vet@hotmail.com

please help me :)

Hi everybody, I just graduated from vet school in mexico and I plan to take the NAVLE sometime next year and I would like some advice over which study guides to use. I've researched some like the Mosby's and Merck but they seem pretty dull making difficult to really follow them, how is
the vet prep, any better? how about the vcrc, is it really worth the money??
Please help :confused:

Hey: I recommended that you try IELTS instead of toefl, it's much easier, I have some material free:
richyvet@hotmail.com

hello there, iam avet graduated from the university of baghdad, i appeared for the navle in canada, where they dont ask for the basic scienses exam , but i failed . they will run the new rolles after the next nov- dec 2007 window , so if i didnt pass the next navle i have to do the basic science exam and then the navle as in us, more frustrating:meanie: that i dont want( ihad enough:mad:), iam using now the merck, some other referenses from the libraries, and the web http://zukureview.com , vets who passed the navle pleases give some advices in my last prepration for the navle:luck:
thank you

I am looking for a student parnert. I live in NY
:)

Hey: I recommended that you try IELTS instead of toefl, it's much easier, I have some material free:
richyvet@hotmail.com
hello how u doing

hello there, iam avet graduated from the university of baghdad, i appeared for the navle in canada, where they dont ask for the basic scienses exam , but i failed . they will run the new rolles after the next nov- dec 2007 window , so if i didnt pass the next navle i have to do the basic science exam and then the navle as in us, more frustrating:meanie: that i dont want( ihad enough:mad:), iam using now the merck, some other referenses from the libraries, and the web http://zukureview.com , vets who passed the navle pleases give some advices in my last prepration for the navle:luck:
thank you
Hi how is the zuku review working for you, do you find it more helpful than other study guides, like the VCRC for example??

Hi how is the zuku review working for you, do you find it more helpful than other study guides, like the VCRC for example??
hi, i havent tried the vcrc, but i have another review questions and answer series , and they look the same,this web takes the questions and answers from merck, any way its free web you can try it and see:luck:

Does anyone know anything about those books?

Saunders NAVLE Board Review: With VETERINARY CONSULT Access (Paperback)
by Patricia Schenck (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/002-3285407-0960835?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Patricia%20Schenck) (Author)


Veterinary board review book : a complete review for the NAVLE and clinics / by written by Joshua Furman. 2006

Thanks!

I am currently preparing for the CPE myself (will take the exam end of September) and am facing the same questions. I am basically folowing the CPE Exam Manual - it has descriptions on what exactly you are expected to do and how many points you will get for which skill etc. It also has a list of all common diagnoses/topics at the back of it. You get the booklet when you pay your deposit for the CPE. Other than that i am a bit cluless myself and have not been able to find anyone so far who has actually done the exam. Yep, we did serve ourselfs a mighty big plate there, but now having come so far you somehow have to stick it out... It hepls knowing you are not alone though...:o

In the meantime I received the CPE Manual - now I'm feeling even worse!:eek: You are right - it tells you exactly what you will have to do. Looks like we definitely will have to get some more practice before presenting to the exams. I won't get an appointment before next year, though. Where are you going to take the exams? Hopefully you will share your experiences with the forum after the CPE. Good luck!:luck:

In the meantime I received the CPE Manual - now I'm feeling even worse!:eek: You are right - it tells you exactly what you will have to do. Looks like we definitely will have to get some more practice before presenting to the exams. I won't get an appointment before next year, though. Where are you going to take the exams? Hopefully you will share your experiences with the forum after the CPE. Good luck!:luck:
I know how you felt when you got that manual - i just thought - no way! I have had it since last year in autumn, so I have been adjusting to the tought that I will be doing a very costly experiment. I am schedduled to take the CPE in September in Las Vegas Since the start of this year I have been doing externships with equine vets, food animal vets, and a smal animal hospital, to get some more practical experience. But if all of this will be enough, I don't know. :(
I will definitely let the forum know about my experiences - I find it singularly frustating that no one who has taken the CPE has come forward for some information!

I'm a new menber. I just pass IELTS exam if anybody need some advice feel free to e-mail me :)
Is anybody here took BCSE ??? It's doesn't matter you pass or not I just want to know what the exam like and how can I prepare for BCSE. I'll take the exam on Dec 2nd I have no idea how to start study:scared::scared:
meaw-ny@hotmail.com

Does anyone know anything about those books?

Saunders NAVLE Board Review: With VETERINARY CONSULT Access (Paperback)
by Patricia Schenck (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/002-3285407-0960835?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Patricia%20Schenck) (Author)


Veterinary board review book : a complete review for the NAVLE and clinics / by written by Joshua Furman. 2006

Thanks!
how BCSE went??? :)
Ihave to take the exam in Dec any suggestion ??
I don't know where to start :confused::confused:
I have Mosy and A-Z but they're for NAVLE though :(:(
please help:scared:

i'll take the BCSE on july 14....i would like to know if there's anyone will take the exam ,the next round or so.......?? shoot me an email samaan.mark@gmail.com
how BCSE went???:)
I'll take the exam in Dec any suggestion??:confused::confused:
I have no idea where to start study:scared::scared:

Hi I ve passed the navle last april and studed with VCRC course click the following link for more information " http://vcrc.net/" it is very helpfull and cover every thing including anatomy, physiology, medicine, surgery, toxicology....etc. I has a lot of question and it's a like a faculty notes. now I'm taking the clinical year in oklahoma and I don't need it any more. I offer this course for $ 200 if you or any one wanna buy it please email me at refaat@okstate.edu
thanx

Hi
I have a used CPE preparation book by VCRC.net for sale. I offered it for $100 if any one is interested to by it please email me at refaat@okstate.edu

Hi rafat I'm from Egypt like you and I have passed the Navle and now taking the clinical year in OSU. I have prepared for navle using VCRC course and mosby reviews questions and answers. And I have used VCRC and CPE prepation courses by VCRC.net for sales
they are in good condtions and I have bought them new and paid $ 510, and I have passed NAVLE last april and currently laken the clinical year in OSU. I will not need them any more. I offered VCRC course for $ 200 and CPE for $ 100 . If any one intereseted in buying them or any please email me at refaat@okstate.edu

thank You

Hi
I have used VCRC and CPE prepation courses by VCRC.net for sales
they are in good condtions and I have bought them new and paid $ 510, and I have passed NAVLE last april and currently laken the clinical year in OSU. I will not need them any more. I offered VCRC course for $ 200 and CPE for $ 100 . If any one intereseted in buying them or any please email me at refaat@okstate.edu

thank You

Hi guys!

What source are you using to study for the BCSE. If we were to get books on each subject we would have to spend years to learn everything. Is there any outline of what is important, what is not, or any study material focused on BCSE preparation?? Someone said the VCRC also prepares for that, but I have some doubts about it. The BCSE sounds more general, Navle more specific. Has anyone already sat for this exam??

:confused: Don´t know where to start!!
Did you take BCSE yet???

Hi there,
I am also new to this site.I am foreign vet and going to start for NAVLE exam. Same problem here....no idea from where should i star???I have got few link that might help you people ..........Would anybody help me to start this preparation.....thanks
http://www.vetgo.com/cardio/ecgmonth/ecgmonth.php (http://www.vetgo.com/cardio/ecgmonth/ecgmonth.php)
http://education.vetmed.vt.edu/Curriculum/VM8585/sam1_gct/Lecture%20Slide%20Index.htm (http://education.vetmed.vt.edu/Curriculum/VM8585/sam1_gct/Lecture%20Slide%20Index.htm)
http://www.ksu.edu/parasitology/625tutorials/ (javascript:ol('http://www.ksu.edu/parasitology/625tutorials/');)

Hey!!

You are right. The answer is ''D''. Formula for the POSITIVE PREDICTIVE VALUE is
PPV= true positive(TP) / true positive(TP)+ false positive(FP)
This value is always in percentage.
SO answer is 83 per cent

Best Regards
Riz

Hey!!

You are right. The answer is ''D''. Formula for the POSITIVE PREDICTIVE VALUE is
PPV= true positive(TP) / true positive(TP)+ false positive(FP)
This value is always in percentage.
SO answer is 83 per cent

Best Regards
Riz

Hi Rocibel

iam just like you. iam planing to take my BCSE in november. please let me know how to tead for that exam

balram

Hi Rocibel

iam just like you. iam planing to take my BCSE in november. please let me know how to tead for that exam

balram


Hi I see that you are planning to take the BCSE, is this exam included in the U.S. NAVLE or is it seperate?? Thanks!:)

Hi,
I just joined this group. I just wanted to thank you for your encouraging words to us foreign grads. I can tell you that it is very frustrating to study and pass the exams and any kind of encouragement is helpful!
Can you let us know where to get the 4th year vet notes??
Thanks again!
roxy04
roch_04@yahoo.com

Yes I have CPE prepairing course from VCRC.net
I offer it for $100 + shipping

thanx

Rafi

Yes I have CPE prepairing course from VCRC.net
I offer it for $100 + shipping

thanx

Rafi

To all out there who have received the manual for the CPE exam - I advise you to call AVMA EVERY MONTH - or even in shorter intervalls before your exam to make sure you still have the curren information and not one of the ex have been changed! I just leanred by pure chance that the manual I was preparing after got updated in January this year and the AVMA forgot to tell me this - so now - 4 weeks short before my exam date I received a BIG shock to find out the small animal exam has completely changed (with a compeltely ridiculous writing part!!! that counts for 40%:mad:) and the Anesthesia exam too!!!

Have any one checked the Basic and Clinical Sciences Examination (BCSE) practice test.
the last question is driving me crazy,

Any one agrees with me that the answer is D not c?
here is the link

http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/bcse_practice_test.asp

The last question is D (and it says that also at least now).
How you do this problem:
Positive predictive value= true positives/(true positive + false positive)

So PPV= 30/(30+6) + 30/36= 83%:)

it has been 6 weeks and no word yet on the results...

Also Any one knows what is the waiting time for the CPE after you complete the paperwork?

Do you get to chose your exam date ?

thanks,

Looking for Veterinary Board Review by Joshua Furman and any other relevant books for review, Mosby, VCRC etc...
Thanks

Does anyone know anything about those books?

Saunders NAVLE Board Review: With VETERINARY CONSULT Access (Paperback)
by Patricia Schenck (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/002-3285407-0960835?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Patricia%20Schenck) (Author)


Veterinary board review book : a complete review for the NAVLE and clinics / by written by Joshua Furman. 2006

Thanks!
Did you find out about these books, I cant find anything on the one by Joshua Furman, nothing on the internet about this guy... amazing... How did you do on your exams ??

Also Any one knows what is the waiting time for the CPE after you complete the paperwork?

Do you get to chose your exam date ?

thanks,
The waiting time on the CPE will depend on the availability of open slots for the exam (anything from half a year to a year). On the application form you can pick your first - I think it was 5 - choices where you would like to go - And they will scheddule you according to the availability of places (try not to go to Las Vegas!)

Hey there:
I am a veterinarian and I should do my BCSE exam on this Nov but I don't have any specific idea about references ( I mean summaries reference).I will be glad if someone give me advice:).

Best wishes.
Farzin

Did you find out about these books, I cant find anything on the one by Joshua Furman, nothing on the internet about this guy... amazing... How did you do on your exams ??

Dr Joshua is from Minnesota, you can get that book at student library u of mn. It's very helpfull, but you need to prepare more.

To all out there who have received the manual for the CPE exam - I advise you to call AVMA EVERY MONTH - or even in shorter intervalls before your exam to make sure you still have the curren information and not one of the ex have been changed! I just leanred by pure chance that the manual I was preparing after got updated in January this year and the AVMA forgot to tell me this - so now - 4 weeks short before my exam date I received a BIG shock to find out the small animal exam has completely changed (with a compeltely ridiculous writing part!!! that counts for 40%:mad:) and the Anesthesia exam too!!!

Thank you so much for that tip! I am taking the CPE next year April 1-4 in Oklahoma. How do you - or anyone else - get some practical experience for the CPE? Especially if you are busy with another full-time job, like me? Any tip would be helpful.

Thank you so much for that tip! I am taking the CPE next year April 1-4 in Oklahoma. How do you - or anyone else - get some practical experience for the CPE? Especially if you are busy with another full-time job, like me? Any tip would be helpful.
That is a tough one if you are full-time working! I basically spend 3 months with an equine vet (did'nt have much horse experience), 2 weeks with a cow practice and 2 months in a small animal clinic. Perhaps you could find an emergency clinic and do there a couple of hours a week? What I did was basically copy the pages of the exam on the animal species I was working at the moment and gave them to the vets - so that they knew what specifically I needed to be able to do - the cow vets were really good - they went point after point with me through the list. And the veterinary nurses were very good sources for the clin path exam. Another tip - I heared in Oklahoma the radiology exam is very difficlut - you might want to pay special attention to that. The Thrall is the book you should go through for that. Good Luck!!!

Hey there:
I am a veterinarian and I should do my BCSE exam on this Nov but I don't have any specific idea about references ( I mean summaries reference).I will be glad if someone give me advice:).

Best wishes.
Farzin


Try these books , these are good for all the exams you will take. BCSE, NAVLE, And CPE.
You can find them on Amazon..
the national veterinary medical series (small animal internal medicine)(large animal internal medicine)(anatomy of the dog)(small animal surgery)
here is the large animal internal medicine ISBN# 0683-18033-9
find this you will find the rest..
those are good cheap books.
also you need some info about blood, histopath. good luck

here is an excelant website. this helped me a lot with basics and it's free

http://education.vetmed.vt.edu/Curriculum/VM8414/Clinical%20Pathology%20Website/Lectures/lecture.htm

Hello my friend:
I just wanted to say thanks a lot to answer my question.Can you tell me ,did you do BCSE?And if you did,How was that????
I would really happy if you will answer me in my Email address ( farzin_rd@yahoo.ca ) .
Again thank you for all information and also for website:).
Farzin


here is an excelant website. this helped me a lot with basics and it's free

http://education.vetmed.vt.edu/Curriculum/VM8414/Clinical%20Pathology%20Website/Lectures/lecture.htm

Hi Everyone,

I have my CPE exam at Mississippi State in Feb and wanted to know how it is? Do they stress on special topics? Just anything that can help me I'm kind of lost now.
Thanks

Hello my friend:
I just wanted to say thanks a lot to answer my question.Can you tell me ,did you do BCSE?And if you did,How was that????
I would really happy if you will answer me in my Email address ( farzin_rd@yahoo.ca ) .
Again thank you for all information and also for website:).
Farzin
I've been try to email you but couldn't do so
maybe you can email me
meaw-ny@hotmail.com
ps. I'm going to take BCSE too perhaps we can share some information
hope to here from you:)

I just got this site from a friend - I think you might find it VERY helpful - from Ross university students on the exams they took - most of them in Mississippi, and one from Las Vegas.
Good Luck to all of us!
http://rossskb.homestead.com/cpe_info.html

Hello my friend:
I just wanted to say thanks a lot to answer my question.Can you tell me ,did you do BCSE?And if you did,How was that????
I would really happy if you will answer me in my Email address ( farzin_rd@yahoo.ca ) .
Again thank you for all information and also for website:).
Farzin


Yes I did. Well, If you read the previous threads you would know that I failed the NAVLE for 1 point 424/ needed 425. So Preparing for the BCSE was very easy. The exam was really simple. Although they never said how well I did, (they only tell you only passed or failed). I'm sure I have scored 85-90 %.
To compare that with NAVLE it was a joke.
Time was never an issue like it was in NAVLE. In the Navle you hardly have time to read the question , they were long and confusing sometimes. In BCSE I was able to read and answer the question twice. and had some extra time.
At the NAVLE you go from section to other where you no longer able to go back to questions from section you have finished. (60 question each).
BCSE in other hand, you have access to all questions at all times.

There were no tricks in BCSE except one question which had absolutely two correct answers and until this day I couldn’t know which one is better answer.

If you read the books I mentioned you will do well. Also don’t forget Aesthesia, blood, and histopathology .Radiology, and clinical pathology photos where 100 % clear and easy. I wish I had 50 % of this quality in the NAVLE. Navle photos were bad, really bad.
Good luck.

Yes I did. Well, If you read the previous threads you would know that I failed the NAVLE for 1 point 424/ needed 425. So Preparing for the BCSE was very easy. The exam was really simple. Although they never said how well I did, (they only tell you only passed or failed). I'm sure I have scored 85-90 %.
To compare that with NAVLE it was a joke.
Time was never an issue like it was in NAVLE. In the Navle you hardly have time to read the question , they were long and confusing sometimes. In BCSE I was able to read and answer the question twice. and had some extra time.
At the NAVLE you go from section to other where you no longer able to go back to questions from section you have finished. (60 question each).
BCSE in other hand, you have access to all questions at all times.

There were no tricks in BCSE except one question which had absolutely two correct answers and until this day I couldn’t know which one is better answer.
If you read the books I mentioned you will do well. Also don’t forget Aesthesia, blood, and histopathology things like vaginal swaps in dog…() . Parasites questions were very few, 3-4 with very nice photos . you will know them for sure.
Radiology, and clinical pathology photos where 100 clear and easy. I wish I had 50 % of this quality in the NAVLE. Navle photos were bad, really bad.
Good luck.
Hello, dvmjakish
I was so kind of you to share your experience in BCSE :clap:. You wouldn't believe how much it's means to people who studying for the exam . I wish you do well in your next exam :thumbup:
thanks again

Yes I did. Well, If you read the previous threads you would know that I failed the NAVLE for 1 point 424/ needed 425. So Preparing for the BCSE was very easy. The exam was really simple. Although they never said how well I did, (they only tell you only passed or failed). I'm sure I have scored 85-90 %.
To compare that with NAVLE it was a joke.
Time was never an issue like it was in NAVLE. In the Navle you hardly have time to read the question , they were long and confusing sometimes. In BCSE I was able to read and answer the question twice. and had some extra time.
At the NAVLE you go from section to other where you no longer able to go back to questions from section you have finished. (60 question each).
BCSE in other hand, you have access to all questions at all times.

There were no tricks in BCSE except one question which had absolutely two correct answers and until this day I couldn’t know which one is better answer.

If you read the books I mentioned you will do well. Also don’t forget Aesthesia, blood, and histopathology things like vaginal swaps in dog…() . Parasites questions were very few, 3-4 with very nice photos . you will know them for sure.
Radiology, and clinical pathology photos where 100 clear and easy. I wish I had 50 % of this quality in the NAVLE. Navle photos were bad, really bad.
Good luck.
Hello dvmjakish:
You surprised me about these wonderful informations.On the other hand, you
gave all of us,a lot of positive energy:).
Is it possible you add my email address? farzin_rd@yahoo.ca (between farzin& rd you should type _ ).
GOOD LUCK IN YOUR ALL EXAMS

All the best for BCSE. me too preparing for it. Feeling scared

Im a St. Georges grad. Im taking BCSE in Dec. I think I might study from Merck a bit a also from my notes.

I wish I had a study partner... to give energy to each other,, is hard to do it on your own.

hi carsan can u provide me some cpe material.thanxHi guys, i was looking for material to prepare for the CPE exam and i found this forum. I am a graduate from Mexico but i've lived (and practiced vet med) in the US since 2003 (in a place where i don't need license). Nevertheless i want to have my license to be able to get another position if the opportunity comes up. I did not passed the NAVLE exam the 1st time for 5 points (pretty painful) so i decided to have a better strategy for my last attempt (last December); i passed with 100 points over the mark so it's possible. It takes time and discipline. Here is what i think is a good approach, may not work for everyone but it's a start:

1) Preparation notes from vet students in 4th year- i found this to be the key. I got them from my students that were sitting at the same time i was. The notes were comprehensive and with what you need. Contact (maybe trough this website) 4th year vet students in the U.S and ask them for NAVLE review notes. They have review classes and are the best. The A-Z review that is floating around is SO outdated that i did not find it useful.
2) Concentrate in dog, cat, horse and cattle medicine; if you don't have time for pigs and small ruminants, exotics, etc is OK. Everyone freaks out about pigs but in reallity if you cruise on the other topics even if you fail pigs, you are OK.
3) Use Merck or other good books (Kirk, Ettinger, Nelson) for big topics, do not rely on summaries, MOSBY, etc for that. Read them well (all the endocrine stuff in small animals, infectious in horses, etc).
4) Review topics using the UFLA videos (>20 videos), take notes of them and read them again before the exam. Do not use them as only source. They take time (videos are +/- 1hr or more) and if you write notes up to 3 hours but worth to write notes.
5) Sign in on Zuku.com review (free, and OK) or vetprep.com (not free but great) and practice after studying.
NOTE: You will not be able to pass studying only on Q&A books or websites, believe me.
I studied an average of 5hrs a day since July (after the WorldCup :) ) and took my exam on Dec 8th, so 5 months of hard work but it paid off.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL, and do not get discourage if you don't pass the first or 2nd time. IT IS DOABLE.
carsan98

Hello Rocibell: I'm also from Peru and got stuck on step 2. I took the Navle twice and the last time I was 7 points short. PLease write me at i_natali@hotmail.com to share some info. Where did you graduate from? I finished at the FMVZ of the University of Ica.

Hello Rocibell: I'm also from Peru and got stuck on step 2. I took the Navle twice and the last time I was 7 points short. PLease write me at i_natali@hotmail.com to share some info. Where did you graduate from? I finished at the FMVZ of the University of Ica.
I passed step 2 4 months ago , which one are you taking?
I also have some experience about step 2 to share with you. you can email me at meaw-ny@hotmail.com
by the way, how you can take NAVLE without completed step 2 ??

What I meant was that I passed Step 2 but cannot pass NAVLE. Now we are supposed to take the BCSE but have not started studying for it yet. For what I read from the other posts is that is easier than NAVLE. I am looking to join a study group is someone is interested. Any comments on Study materials for this?
:)

Hi~ there~

I am wondering why more candidates want to take BCSE rather than QE...

Is ECFVG esier than PAVE relatively?

I think PAVE has more options in terms of Step 4, ECY.

Please let me know why most people want to get the license through the ECFVG.

Thank you~

Hi I am a foreign veterinarian from Spain who is currently living in the US. I have completed steps 1-3 for the ECFVG and I am taking the CPE next month. I would be happy to give advice about the first 3 steps and I am looking for advice from anyone about the CPE. Good websites or resources?

Hi colleagues,
I'm a vet from the Czech Republic and I live in the USA now. I'd like to get the license but I'm still at the beginning. Unfortunately, I've passed TOEFL yet even if I've been there thrice:(. Does anybody have experience with IELTE? Somebody told me that it was easier than TOEFL...I'm fighting with the speaking section:thumbdown. And could you give me any advice about BCSE please?..which books are absolutely necessary for study etc. I'm really terrified seeking what I shall repeat. I've forgotten all anatomy and...:eek:.

Thank you very much for your help and I wish you good luck :luck:!

I can help you with the IELTS..
I just did mine on the 22nd of September, now I will tell you about the European exam which i would expect to be the same as the North American too. I am preparing to do the British license to practice as a vet. here. RCVS
So IELTS is -in my opinion - very easy and YES it is easier the TOEFL. The first section was the listening part which had a CD playing, before the CD starts playing they give you 4 or 5 sheets that has 40 questions mainly fill in the space or choose on of the choices based on what you hear, you will need to listen very carefully as the answers could be some times deceiving and not the exact word (sometimes you need to get the meaning of the word and the word t self) I doubt you will have problems with that.. Just try to practice more listening which I would imagine you do living in the USA, just notice they do use different accents in the CD (Canadian, Australian..Etc). This part was for 50 minutes. (Not sure).

Second part was the reading part where they start by giving you few sheets and there is 3 different long paragraphs on them (if you are doing Academic IELTS it will have more scientific words in them), this section has 40 Questions too distributed through the three paragraphs, BE CAREFUL you have to get sued to reading fast as they might be long if you are not. a good strategy for answering would be to look for the question then try to locate the answer within the paragraph before reading the whole thing.
This one was for 60 minutes.

Third part was the writing part which is for 60 min. This one they give you two questions, one is a graph and you comment on it (20 minutes) then the second one is a subject mainly scientific 40 minutes
You have to write for the first one at least 150 words so be careful of the words count, and the second one is 250 words at least.


$th Part - is the speaking part , This one takes a part usually at least 2 hours after you finish the first three were you go 1 on 1 with an instructor. They take you to a separate room and they ask general question ... like tell me about your self then they will ask things like name some one you know and you like spending time with and tell me why you do like him/her and what do you do with him/ her...etc. THEY JUST WANT TO SEE IF YOU CAN CARRY A CONVERSATION.. They might ask you to speak about a subject for 2 -3 minutes. This takes 15-20 minutes MAX

NOW it might be worth mentioning that there are two types of IELTS - General and |Academic, The Academic is the one for professionals...
Hope this helps...
Best of Luck

I can help you with the IELTS..
I just did mine on the 22nd of September, now I will tell you about the European exam which i would expect to be the same as the North American too. I am preparing to do the British license to practice as a vet. here. RCVS
So IELTS is -in my opinion - very easy and YES it is easier the TOEFL. The first section was the listening part which had a CD playing, before the CD starts playing they give you 4 or 5 sheets that has 40 questions mainly fill in the space or choose on of the choices based on what you hear, you will need to listen very carefully as the answers could be some times deceiving and not the exact word (sometimes you need to get the meaning of the word and the word t self) I doubt you will have problems with that.. Just try to practice more listening which I would imagine you do living in the USA, just notice they do use different accents in the CD (Canadian, Australian..Etc). This part was for 50 minutes. (Not sure).

Second part was the reading part where they start by giving you few sheets and there is 3 different long paragraphs on them (if you are doing Academic IELTS it will have more scientific words in them), this section has 40 Questions too distributed through the three paragraphs, BE CAREFUL you have to get sued to reading fast as they might be long if you are not. a good strategy for answering would be to look for the question then try to locate the answer within the paragraph before reading the whole thing.
This one was for 60 minutes.

Third part was the writing part which is for 60 min. This one they give you two questions, one is a graph and you comment on it (20 minutes) then the second one is a subject mainly scientific 40 minutes
You have to write for the first one at least 150 words so be careful of the words count, and the second one is 250 words at least.


$th Part - is the speaking part , This one takes a part usually at least 2 hours after you finish the first three were you go 1 on 1 with an instructor. They take you to a separate room and they ask general question ... like tell me about your self then they will ask things like name some one you know and you like spending time with and tell me why you do like him/her and what do you do with him/ her...etc. THEY JUST WANT TO SEE IF YOU CAN CARRY A CONVERSATION.. They might ask you to speak about a subject for 2 -3 minutes. This takes 15-20 minutes MAX

NOW it might be worth mentioning that there are two types of IELTS - General and |Academic, The Academic is the one for professionals...
Hope this helps...
Best of Luck

Thank you a lot. Your report has encouraged me to give a shot to IELTS. \
I also wish you good luck in GB!

P.S. What must you do to get the British license?

Hi guys, i was looking for material to prepare for the CPE exam and i found this forum. I am a graduate from Mexico but i've lived (and practiced vet med) in the US since 2003 (in a place where i don't need license). Nevertheless i want to have my license to be able to get another position if the opportunity comes up. I did not passed the NAVLE exam the 1st time for 5 points (pretty painful) so i decided to have a better strategy for my last attempt (last December); i passed with 100 points over the mark so it's possible. It takes time and discipline. Here is what i think is a good approach, may not work for everyone but it's a start:

1) Preparation notes from vet students in 4th year- i found this to be the key. I got them from my students that were sitting at the same time i was. The notes were comprehensive and with what you need. Contact (maybe trough this website) 4th year vet students in the U.S and ask them for NAVLE review notes. They have review classes and are the best. The A-Z review that is floating around is SO outdated that i did not find it useful.
2) Concentrate in dog, cat, horse and cattle medicine; if you don't have time for pigs and small ruminants, exotics, etc is OK. Everyone freaks out about pigs but in reallity if you cruise on the other topics even if you fail pigs, you are OK.
3) Use Merck or other good books (Kirk, Ettinger, Nelson) for big topics, do not rely on summaries, MOSBY, etc for that. Read them well (all the endocrine stuff in small animals, infectious in horses, etc).
4) Review topics using the UFLA videos (>20 videos), take notes of them and read them again before the exam. Do not use them as only source. They take time (videos are +/- 1hr or more) and if you write notes up to 3 hours but worth to write notes.
5) Sign in on Zuku.com review (free, and OK) or vetprep.com (not free but great) and practice after studying.
NOTE: You will not be able to pass studying only on Q&A books or websites, believe me.
I studied an average of 5hrs a day since July (after the WorldCup :) ) and took my exam on Dec 8th, so 5 months of hard work but it paid off.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL, and do not get discourage if you don't pass the first or 2nd time. IT IS DOABLE.
carsan98


hello there , i found these topics are they the same of the 4th year vet review nots that carsan talked about.....?

http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/review_material#1897

Hi There...
Glad I could help.
To do the British Exams you need to pass 3 steps...
First is to do IELTS -even if English is your first Language- if you graduated from a university not accredited by the RCVS.
Then you do a written exam (Not an MCQ) All written for 4 subjects (Horses, Farm animals, Poultry and Nutrition). This is usually held in May- June of each year, only once a year.
If you pass the writing part you will need to pass the practical exam (4 days or a week of exams usually in July) it is held in once the Vet schools. It tests your knowledge in the same fields beside the knowledge of local British Laws and regulations.

If you pass it then you will be registered with the licensing authority the UK (Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons) and you will have the word MRCVS member of the Royal College of veterinary surgeons next to your name.

The main problem is that these exams are held only once a year
The written and practical exam cost 1250 UKP around 2500 US$.

Now if you are an EEA citizen which you are ( I would imagine you are) , Then if your university is one of the accredited university by reciprocal agreement then you do not need any exams at all.. You just pay the fee and register... You have to check with them though.

www.rcvs.org.uk


Do you know any one who did or planning to do the UK exams?? The main problem with all the systems on the internet is they are made to help people prepare for the North American and not the other exams.


Cheers

Unfortunately, I don't know anybody who needs to do the British exams. I have one friend working as a vet in GB but our diploma is recognized by RCVS so that he hadn't to pass the steps you have mentioned. I' m sorry.
Anyway, I cross my fingers for you.

P.S. I have a question. Was it difficult for you, I mean the listening (especially those various accents) and the writing section (to make a comment) in IELTS?

QUOTE=cocker;5671867]Unfortunately, I don't know anybody who needs to do the British exams. I have one friend working as a vet in GB but our diploma is recognized by RCVS so that he hadn't to pass the steps you have mentioned. I' m sorry.
Anyway, I cross my fingers for you.

P.S. I have a question. Was it difficult for you, I mean the listening (especially those various accents) and the writing section (to make a comment) in IELTS?[/QUOTE]

Hello Cocker..
Would you be able to put me in touch with this person that you know? Do you know where about he works in the UK??

Well IELTS was not hard at all for me; I lived in different English speaking parts of the world. so I never had any problems with it . The Australian accent could be a bit tricky as they do have a bit of different pronunciation if you are used to the North American one, but I would not worry too much about it.
Writing was not a problem too. If you are worried about writing try to look up the IELTS free tests on Google. I am sure you will get a good idea of how it should be.

Best of luck..

Hi,

is anybody here going to or went for CPE to Tukegee?Any tips? I am going in May I would love to know your experiences.

Thanks,

Jitkarie.

Hi,

is anybody here going to or went for CPE to Tukegee?Any tips? I am going in May I would love to know your experiences.

Thanks,

Jitkarie.

I'm going to Oklahoma in June 3rd. I hope you post your experiance for us who will be going through this exam after you. also I hope from drs who already did the CPE to provide some tips for every one. It seems like when Drs finish from this exams they totaly forget about every one.
I can read lots of posts about NAVLE, BCSE, Or even the English exam. But nothing about CPE from any one except for this website
http://rossskb.homestead.com/cpe_info.html
Thanks for ""ForeignVet"" who provide it, it's very good and helps. It would be very nice to hear from someone who has just done the CPE.

Good luck.

I will definitely post my experience afterwards to let you guys know how it was as I was also disappointed by the fact that nobody posts their CPE adventures here. Thanks again to ""ForeignVet!!!!!!""

Hi~ there~

I am wondering why more candidates want to take BCSE rather than QE...

Is ECFVG esier than PAVE relatively?

I think PAVE has more options in terms of Step 4, ECY.

Please let me know why most people want to get the license through the ECFVG.

Thank you~
hi,
I am praparing for QE under PAVE.
the reasons might be :
1. it's not accepted thru out US
2. before this april, under ECFVG u just have to clear NAVLE.(unlike under AAVSB PAVE..QE< one extra).
if u r interested in applying for QE we can have a study group.

Dear Khalid
I am MEHDI from France ( ENVT ) preparing for NAVLE as well. Can we exchange study material and informations. Thanks

hi,
I am praparing for QE under PAVE.
the reasons might be :
1. it's not accepted thru out US
2. before this april, under ECFVG u just have to clear NAVLE.(unlike under AAVSB PAVE..QE< one extra).
if u r interested in applying for QE we can have a study group.

Hi, I'm a foreign vet from Morocco, And I'm enrolled on PAVE program, I would like to start a staudy group, so we can exchange ideas and information.
Thanks

Maybe this link will help.
http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/bcse_references.pdf



Hey there:
I am a veterinarian and I should do my BCSE exam on this Nov but I don't have any specific idea about references ( I mean summaries reference).I will be glad if someone give me advice:).

Best wishes.
Farzin

QUOTE=cocker;5671867]Unfortunately, I don't know anybody who needs to do the British exams. I have one friend working as a vet in GB but our diploma is recognized by RCVS so that he hadn't to pass the steps you have mentioned. I' m sorry.
Anyway, I cross my fingers for you.

P.S. I have a question. Was it difficult for you, I mean the listening (especially those various accents) and the writing section (to make a comment) in IELTS?

Hello Cocker..
Would you be able to put me in touch with this person that you know? Do you know where about he works in the UK??

Well IELTS was not hard at all for me; I lived in different English speaking parts of the world. so I never had any problems with it . The Australian accent could be a bit tricky as they do have a bit of different pronunciation if you are used to the North American one, but I would not worry too much about it.
Writing was not a problem too. If you are worried about writing try to look up the IELTS free tests on Google. I am sure you will get a good idea of how it should be.

Best of luck..[/quote]

QUOTE=cocker;5671867]Unfortunately, I don't know anybody who needs to do the British exams. I have one friend working as a vet in GB but our diploma is recognized by RCVS so that he hadn't to pass the steps you have mentioned. I' m sorry.
Anyway, I cross my fingers for you.

P.S. I have a question. Was it difficult for you, I mean the listening (especially those various accents) and the writing section (to make a comment) in IELTS?

Hello Cocker..
Would you be able to put me in touch with this person that you know? Do you know where about he works in the UK??

Well IELTS was not hard at all for me; I lived in different English speaking parts of the world. so I never had any problems with it . The Australian accent could be a bit tricky as they do have a bit of different pronunciation if you are used to the North American one, but I would not worry too much about it.
Writing was not a problem too. If you are worried about writing try to look up the IELTS free tests on Google. I am sure you will get a good idea of how it should be.

Best of luck..[/quote]

Hi Dr_amer98,
I tried to contact my friend working in GB but I haven't been succesful yet. He works (I think) in Grantham, Nottingham and he does both small animals and livestock. If I get in contact with him, I'll write you.
Have a nice weekend.

Thank you so much for that tip! I am taking the CPE next year April 1-4 in Oklahoma. How do you - or anyone else - get some practical experience for the CPE? Especially if you are busy with another full-time job, like me? Any tip would be helpful.

Hi K9,
why don't you work as a vet technician? This way you learn and get paid on top!

If you have not already heard, the NBVME (the group that makes the NAVLE and BCSE) will be selling 200 question "Self-Assessment" tests starting this month for $50.
http://nbvme.org/?id=47&page=NAVLE+Self-Assessments (http://nbvme.org/?id=47&page=NAVLE+Self-Assessments)

Just wanted to share that with all of you.

One more thing I found this website with some videos that may help too.

www.vetvideos.com (http://www.vetvideos.com)

I know how you felt when you got that manual - i just thought - no way! I have had it since last year in autumn, so I have been adjusting to the tought that I will be doing a very costly experiment. I am schedduled to take the CPE in September in Las Vegas Since the start of this year I have been doing externships with equine vets, food animal vets, and a smal animal hospital, to get some more practical experience. But if all of this will be enough, I don't know. :(
I will definitely let the forum know about my experiences - I find it singularly frustating that no one who has taken the CPE has come forward for some information!


Hi
I'm currently preparing for CPE, I would like to get more information about How to preparte for this clinical test.
How did you prepare?
Also if you can share your test experience with everybody, that will be very helpful
thank you so much for youy help

Hi
I'm currently planning to apply for CPE
I would like to get more information about How I can prpare for this test.
I heard about prgrams in USA prpared by the ECFVG in Oklahoma and Louisiana and other states a, it is like the ECFVG (Evaluated Clinical Year)
that you can spend few weeks in different rotations in the university teaching hospital.
Also another program in Canada called VSTEP
Does anybody has information about this program , if it is helpful or not
Please share your experience with me.
Thank you so much for you help
Vet 1998

[Hi Vet 1998.

I've heard the clinical year is good, although I don't know how much they let you do. But in my opinion it's not necessary at all! First it's quite expensive (around $20 000) plus you lose a year. It's already better to go try 4times the CPE for this money!:) I think it's better to drive around with vets either as a paid technician or as an externship or working student-free help is always welcome:) and you have already passed the NAVLE so don't worry! When and where is your CPE?
Good luck,

Jitkarie.

[Hi Vet 1998.

I've heard the clinical year is good, although I don't know how much they let you do. But in my opinion it's not necessary at all! First it's quite expensive (around $20 000) plus you lose a year. It's already better to go try 4times the CPE for this money!:) I think it's better to drive around with vets either as a paid technician or as an externship or working student-free help is always welcome:) and you have already passed the NAVLE so don't worry! When and where is your CPE?
Good luck,

Jitkarie.
I agree, That's what I'm doing. I work as a technician in small animal hospital and signed up for two days a week externship at large animal hospital (equine, bovine....). also I would go to a animal shelter in your area where they do spay dogs and cats and do some for them for free. I think you can do that by law as student on un-owned animal with a presence of licensed veterinarian. last thing you can do is a couple of day at a veterinary lab. and you are set.. this is my plan.

Can I ask you which state are you in? Since I had the same plan as you and wanted to go to an animal shelter but I found out that in FL by law you cannot do the spays unless you are a student of an accredited veterinary school:(

Hi
I'm planning to apply for CPE test.
I would like to know which location is good compared to otheres
Please give me an idea about CPE location.
Thank you so much for your help
Vet1998

Can I ask you which state are you in? Since I had the same plan as you and wanted to go to an animal shelter but I found out that in FL by law you cannot do the spays unless you are a student of an accredited veterinary school:(

I'm in Seattle. WA state.
When you go to a shelter tell them that you have passed the board. I still think you can do it . call and ask the veterinary board in your state. Mention that you will be under supervision of a licensed veterinarian. this is why you can do it, You will do it in the exam, right, so why you can't do it one month before the exam.. Remember they have to be un-owned animals .
if all this doesn't work. try other states . and go for 2-3 days or a weekend. see AL, SC, NC somewhere nearby.

I agree, That's what I'm doing. I work as a technician in small animal hospital and signed up for two days a week externship at large animal hospital (equine, bovine....). also I would go to a animal shelter in your area where they do spay dogs and cats and do some for them for free. I think you can do that by law as student on un-owned animal with a presence of licensed veterinarian. last thing you can do is a couple of day at a veterinary lab. and you are set.. this is my plan.


Hi dvmjakish, I am also a vet in the process of getting my license and I am trying to work as a vet tech. How can you work as a technician without having a tech degree? The law in the state that I am at, says that you cannot work as a tech without having completed an aproved program of vet technology. And plus, the animal shelter here doesn't have a full time vet and they don't even perform spays there, they send them out.
Looking forward to hear from you!
Thanks!

Hi dvmjakish, I am also a vet in the process of getting my license and I am trying to work as a vet tech. How can you work as a technician without having a tech degree? The law in the state that I am at, says that you cannot work as a tech without having completed an aproved program of vet technology. And plus, the animal shelter here doesn't have a full time vet and they don't even perform spays there, they send them out.
Looking forward to hear from you!
Thanks!

I guess the difference that I did get a vet tech license. Require to pass one exam. but in any case, lots of vet clinic like to hire what so called "veterinary assistant" it is cheaper for the clinic not have a whole staff of licensed techs. you will be doing almost everything the technicians does except, I think, inducing anesthesia, will be less than technician but you will learn a lot.
When I first came to the US I cleaned horse and cows stalls... I had to forget the DR thing for a while. now I work for state of the art hospital with board certified surgeons doing what other vets can't do. most complicated surgeries.. like total hip replacement, and sever traumas and fractures.. So you have to start somewhere.
as far as surgeries, Any state should have some place that does these surgeries for free for shelters or other non-profit organizations, I guess you have to widen your serach, online and in person. make a list from google of all vets and shelters in your area and call them and ask. Some body should know.

I guess the difference that I did get a vet tech license. Require to pass one exam. but in any case, lots of vet clinic like to hire what so called "veterinary assistant" it is cheaper for the clinic not have a whole staff of licensed techs. you will be doing almost everything the technicians does except, I think, inducing anesthesia, will be less than technician but you will learn a lot.
When I first came to the US I cleaned horse and cows stalls... I had to forget the DR thing for a while. now I work for state of the art hospital with board certified surgeons doing what other vets can't do. most complicated surgeries.. like total hip replacement, and sever traumas and fractures.. So you have to start somewhere.
as far as surgeries, Any state should have some place that does these surgeries for free for shelters or other non-profit organizations, I guess you have to widen your serach, online and in person. make a list from google of all vets and shelters in your area and call them and ask. Some body should know.



Thanks for repplying me!
But, how did you get the vet tech license? Did you go to a vet tech school or program?? Do I have to have any special license or permit to be a vet assistent? How does it work as far as law? I mean, there are certain procedures that according to the law you cannot perform without having a license (either vet or tech license). I have been in US for a while, I've done the clinical year already (old step 4), but I still have NAVLE to go through and I am looking for a job while I wait for the NAVLE.
You can e-mail me if you prefer: gigivet@hotmail.com
Best wishes!

Thanks for repplying me!
But, how did you get the vet tech license? Did you go to a vet tech school or program?? Do I have to have any special license or permit to be a vet assistent? How does it work as far as law? I mean, there are certain procedures that according to the law you cannot perform without having a license (either vet or tech license). I have been in US for a while, I've done the clinical year already (old step 4), but I still have NAVLE to go through and I am looking for a job while I wait for the NAVLE.
You can e-mail me if you prefer: gigivet@hotmail.com
Best wishes!

To get a vet tech license you have to provide one of two things either a graduation from a vet tech school or a 5 years experience as a veterinary assistant. in my case I didn't have either, but i have a vet license from a different country with 6 years experience. I called the veterinary board in my state and i told them that I would like to apply for the veterinary technician board exam "200 questions. done twice a year". I told them about my qualification. they said it's more than enough "more like “over qualified”'. I did the test 3 months later and then I had to do an open book state exam “you do it home and send it in , mostly about the vet laws”.. Then I got the license. it's really easy. Check the department of health, licensing department in your State. you should know all the answers. There is no need to have any license to work as assistant, although you can have license, the same way but if you want to do it you may as well do the technician.Some technicians I knew worked as assistants for 5 years and then applied for the exam.Every state has different laws .in my state, vet tech can do most of everything except, making a diagnosis, prescribing drug, doing surgery. you can do lots of procedures without supervision of veterinarian and more with the veterinarian, for example you can induce anesthesia when there is vet in sight view of you and the animal.. when you apply for the exam as technician they will mail you a book of all this rules, Don't worry about it though, when you work in a clinic they will tell you what you can do.I think you are over qualified, you can easily work in any hospital, a full year of internship should be enough to get you an assistant job for now.I hope this can help.

Hey dvmjakish,
Thank you so much for your advice!
Like always, you have been one of the most helpful persons in this forum!
Good luck in everything and take care!

TO GIGIVET

Why don't you first go to all the vets in your area and ask them? I am in FL so I don't need any tech licence, but ny friend is in Ohio where they usually require it, but she found 2 vets that don't care so try to ask around first.

TO GIGIVET

Why don't you first go to all the vets in your area and ask them? I am in FL so I don't need any tech licence, but ny friend is in Ohio where they usually require it, but she found 2 vets that don't care so try to ask around first.


What I found out so far is that according to State board here, there is no exception for beeing a vet tech, you have to have a vet tech degree. They also don't have any rule for unregisterd assistant like in Washington state.
Anyways, I will try to find more information around the clinics here as you suggested me. My only concern is that, even if the vet doesn't care, you can still be accused of illegal practice and lose your right of getting your vet license in US.
Thank you for your advice and take care!

I got a new CPE manual today. The main difference is that there are only 6 sections now. They have removed the clinical path, and radiology and added a new thing called diagnostic techniques, WHICH INCLUED BOTH, WITH LESS THINGS TO DO..
I have not read the whole thing yet but they also said in their letter that there is some other changes. The old manual was 121 pages, the new one is only 85…
I think I like the new one.

Anybody else out there taking the Veterinary Skills Assessment Test From PAVE ? We could exchange some information. If someone have already taken this test please let us know. It would be extremely helpful.....

Hi every body , this is so helpfull to read here and to see that you are not alone. i have a question and i hope someone can help me. u all talk about working in clinics and so , i wonder if it's a legal thing or we need to get a special visa for that , and if so, how do u do that ?
looking forward to hear your answers,
all the best
thank you

Hi every body , this is so helpfull to read here and to see that you are not alone. i have a question and i hope someone can help me. u all talk about working in clinics and so , i wonder if it's a legal thing or we need to get a special visa for that , and if so, how do u do that ?
looking forward to hear your answers,
all the best
thank you

If you are already in the USA legally, have a SSN. You can work anywhere you want. If you are illegal, that would be a problem.
If you are outside the states and wish to come to the states you need a visa, getting a visa also it depends on what country you are from. Work visa is the way to go. But this hard if you don't know anyone in the states.
I could probably help you more if you tell me more about your situation. Country, degree, and if you know people in the states.

If you are already in the USA legally, have a SSN. You can work anywhere you want. If you are illegal, that would be a problem.
If you are outside the states and wish to come to the states you need a visa, getting a visa also it depends on what country you are from. Work visa is the way to go. But this hard if you don't know anyone in the states.
I could probably help you more if you tell me more about your situation. Country, degree, and if you know people in the states.
hey thanks for writing back. what is SSN ?
i'm from israel , graduated veterinary university in slovak republic 2 years ago.
worked for a year and 3 months in a very busy clinic.
i have an uncle and abrother in the USA
i took the toefl and waiting for my results, have not yet registerd for the ECFVG , just waiting for the toefl results first.
looking forward to here from you and hope you can help me with advices.
thanks

reply to yogavet

SSN is social security number you will need when you get to the states for taxes, helth, banking..etc any one can get it.
Because where you are from you will need a visa, here is a couple of links for options on how to get a visa.
http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1268.html (http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1268.html)
http://www.unitedstatesvisas.gov/business_temp_text.html (http://www.unitedstatesvisas.gov/business_temp_text.html)
Work visa is what you need eventually but the process time is long plus you need to find some one to hire you < NOT as a vet or even a technician > but as an assistant. Maybe your relatives can help you do that.
The best way to do is apply for internship somewhere and come as student then you can find job and apply for work visa or for immigration after that. These things can get very complicated and take long time. I think you should wait for the registration with ECFVG until you are actually in the states.
One thing that might take less time is temp-worker , again you need some one employer to hire you“”
Remember you have to be legal resident to become a vet in the states.

thanks catvet for writing back , but i still have some questions, if you don't mind me bothering u.
i'm at the moment in the states with a visitor visa.
how can i apply for internship if they require u to pass the ECFVG before you apply? (through the VIRMP site). another question, why did u offer me to wait with the registration to the ECFVG?
once i pass the ECFVG and all other exams and get my licence i'm still not allowed to work in the usa? you say i need to become a legal resident ? how do i do that ?
are you working in the usa? did you do all this ?
hey , thank you , hope to hear from you soon

thanks catvet for writing back , but i still have some questions, if you don't mind me bothering u.
i'm at the moment in the states with a visitor visa.
how can i apply for internship if they require u to pass the ECFVG before you apply? (through the VIRMP site). another question, why did u offer me to wait with the registration to the ECFVG?
once i pass the ECFVG and all other exams and get my licence i'm still not allowed to work in the usa? you say i need to become a legal resident ? how do i do that ?
are you working in the usa? did you do all this ?
hey , thank you , hope to hear from you soon

The idea of internship is to get you to the states. I guess you don’t need it now. Since you are here all what you need to do is ether find a place that would hire you and give you a job and give you a work visa, or try to apply for immigration.
If you want to get your license in the states to work in the states you have to be legal residence. Have green card or work visa. Etc…
But if you just want the degree and then work in your country this is different, you can come and do your exams as need it to get the license, without having immigrant status.

When I told you to wait for the registration I thought you are not in the states and it might take you long time to get here, so you spend money for no reason. Now that you made it I guess you can go a head and register.

Here is what you need to work in the USA. For the employer to hire a person especially a vet, one has to have a work visa or green card. you can get this through employment, marriage,…… you can check the www.uscis.gov (http://www.uscis.gov/) website for information on how to obtain a green card.
Yes I have been though all that I’ve a green card, Now I’m preparing for my CPE. LAST EXAM.

wow you are great , very fast , thanks for all the info.
so i need to find someone to get merried with and register to the ECFVG and then i'm fixed .... hehehe .
how was the exam ? hard ?
how long from the regestration till you get a date for the exam ? and do you also need to do the NAVLE after ?
o.k. sorry for beeing so unpatient.
thanks for every thing
all the best

wow you are great , very fast , thanks for all the info.
so i need to find someone to get merried with and register to the ECFVG and then i'm fixed .... hehehe .
how was the exam ? hard ?
how long from the regestration till you get a date for the exam ? and do you also need to do the NAVLE after ?
o.k. sorry for beeing so unpatient.
thanks for every thing
all the best


You can read the previous posts they have lots of information for you.
the other info you can find in http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/default.asp#steps

the registration takes about 2 months to go through. then you can start the exams.
the NAVLE is a must. it's done twice a year April and NOV.
Advice , do the NAVLE before the CPE. helps you prepare better for the interviews.

what is the different between the NAVLE and the BCSE ?
are there imited times that you can take that exam ?

Hi Guys,

if you are as slow as I am I want to let you know that you can obtain a licence for a particular state and work as a vet once you pass NAVLE!!!!! You don't have to wait for CPE.
So for you guys who wants to practice some surgeries etc. before CPE do the Laws and Rules Examination and go practice!!

By any chance are any of you in FL???

What I found out so far is that according to State board here, there is no exception for beeing a vet tech, you have to have a vet tech degree. They also don't have any rule for unregisterd assistant like in Washington state.
Anyways, I will try to find more information around the clinics here as you suggested me. My only concern is that, even if the vet doesn't care, you can still be accused of illegal practice and lose your right of getting your vet license in US.
Thank you for your advice and take care!

I worked in Illinois as a Vet Tech, and nobody bothered that I don't have a Vet Tech license (which I never claimed I had). They assumed that I was fit for the job because of my foreign Vet degree. Just ask around. I worked at a Banfield hospital, they have a program called "LIP", which stands for "License in Progress". You basically work as a Vet Nurse, but with a little bit more salary, get to practice all the basics of small animal medicine - and they love to hire you as a Vet, once you get your license. Because it's big company, they don't let you practice as a Vet, so no surgeries etc., but you still learn a lot by observing.

I worked in Illinois as a Vet Tech, and nobody bothered that I don't have a Vet Tech license (which I never claimed I had). They assumed that I was fit for the job because of my foreign Vet degree. Just ask around. I worked at a Banfield hospital, they have a program called "LIP", which stands for "License in Progress". You basically work as a Vet Nurse, but with a little bit more salary, get to practice all the basics of small animal medicine - and they love to hire you as a Vet, once you get your license. Because it's big company, they don't let you practice as a Vet, so no surgeries etc., but you still learn a lot by observing.


Hi K94EVER !
do you have a green card ? or did you use visa ?
thanks for the information about banfield , i should check that out here too, is sounds like what i need now .
please let me know about the legality status u used while working there .
thank u
all the best

I worked in Illinois as a Vet Tech, and nobody bothered that I don't have a Vet Tech license (which I never claimed I had). They assumed that I was fit for the job because of my foreign Vet degree. Just ask around. I worked at a Banfield hospital, they have a program called "LIP", which stands for "License in Progress". You basically work as a Vet Nurse, but with a little bit more salary, get to practice all the basics of small animal medicine - and they love to hire you as a Vet, once you get your license. Because it's big company, they don't let you practice as a Vet, so no surgeries etc., but you still learn a lot by observing.

Hi K94EVER, thanks for sharing information.
I have a question: Did Banfield sponsor you as far as visa? Or do you have a permanent resident status or something else?
Thanks again!

Hi K94EVER, thanks for sharing information.
I have a question: Did Banfield sponsor you as far as visa? Or do you have a permanent resident status or something else?
Thanks again!
No idea - I already have a green card - I married the right person :love:!
I would suspect that they don't sponsor visa's unless they are in desperate need of help. But it never hurts to ask... Good luck!

Hi Guys,

if you are as slow as I am I want to let you know that you can obtain a licence for a particular state and work as a vet once you pass NAVLE!!!!! You don't have to wait for CPE.
So for you guys who wants to practice some surgeries etc. before CPE do the Laws and Rules Examination and go practice!!

By any chance are any of you in FL???

Not living in FL right now, but thinking about it every year the midwest winter hits us! What do you mean: Do you get some kind of temporary license? I would be EXTREMELY interested in that information, because I passed the NAVLE already and am scheduled for the CPE in April. Having a license right now would be great! Please elaborate!

Not living in FL right now, but thinking about it every year the midwest winter hits us! What do you mean: Do you get some kind of temporary license? I would be EXTREMELY interested in that information, because I passed the NAVLE already and am scheduled for the CPE in April. Having a license right now would be great! Please elaborate!
yes!!! there are 2 states(as I known of) that you can work without complete CPE
if you need more information please email me directly
meaw-ny@hotmail.com

yes!!! there are 2 states(as I known of) that you can work without complete CPE
if you need more information please email me directly
meaw-ny@hotmail.com


I would love to know too. can you share here with every body or should e-mail you also?
Thanks

I would love to know too. can you share here with every body or should e-mail you also?
Thanks

Sure!!!!!
I know for sure that NY state board allow a foreign vet to work without complete CPE
http://www.op.nysed.gov/vetlic.htm

I'm not positive about OH state board

http://ovmlb.ohio.gov/NAVLE.stm

To All Foreign Graduates Please Donot Enroll In Ecfvg Programme Of Lousiana State University. You Will Be Wasting Time And Money .they Teach U Nothing.and Degrade You Because You Are A Foreign Graduate And Are Not Aware Of Working In States.so Plz Put Ur Money In A Good Place

To All Foreign Graduates Please Donot Enroll In Ecfvg Programme Of Lousiana State University. You Will Be Wasting Time And Money .they Teach U Nothing.and Degrade You Because You Are A Foreign Graduate And Are Not Aware Of Working In States.so Plz Put Ur Money In A Good Place
jagjit , thanks you for the information and sorry to hear a bout this experiance you had.
are u licened by now ?
do you u have a green card, or used a visa ?
thanks again for the information
good luck in the future.

I don't know what the program is like at LSU, but I have heard very good things about the ECVFG preparation program at Purdue University. You might want to look into this program.

ALL FRIENDS AND YOGAVET..my experience was bad even if i was green card holder i was harassed by persons in LSU who r not permanent in states ... i m a licensed vet now and i know bout the turmoil foreign graduates have to go for getting licensed here...and i always keep telling my experiences to help others... thanx all for listening to my advice

jagjit , thanks you for the information and sorry to hear a bout this experiance you had.
are u licened by now ?
do you u have a green card, or used a visa ?
thanks again for the information
good luck in the future.

IT WAS NO TRAINING.... I PAID THEM TO WORK FOR THEM... AND LEARNING NOTHING FOR CPE EXAM
quote=aggiegolf;5871812]I don't know what the program is like at LSU, but I have heard very good things about the ECVFG preparation program at Purdue University. You might want to look into this program.[/quote]

ALL FRIENDS AND YOGAVET..my experience was bad even if i was green card holder i was harassed by persons in LSU who r not permanent in states ... i m a licensed vet now and i know bout the turmoil foreign graduates have to go for getting licensed here...and i always keep telling my experiences to help others... thanx all for listening to my advice
Hey jagjit , you know what, as long as it's all behind you that's good, nothing will change that , it's experience for life and ****ty people are every where as long as you will keep your way and be kind.
it's suprising that people who are caring for animals will behave not nice but i geuss you can never know.
you can put it all in the past now and move on i'm sure you will be good at what you do.
and thanks a lot for the information, we are lucky to have people who did this way before us, so like in your case help us stay away from situations like that.
where did you study ?
keep smiling
all the best

thanx for morally supporting all foreign graduates like me...i graduated from egypt and now working as a vet in oregon state..how bout u???? got some plans

ANYBODY WHO HAS TAKEN CPE IN MISSISSIPI.... PLZZZ TELL ME ABOUT THAT EXPERIENCE THERE.......I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO....ITS A VERY COSTLY EXPERIMENT AND I M JUST WORRIED....HELP ME ALL MY FRIENDS......FIRST IT WAS NAVLE AND NOW CPE.... HOW MANY MORE ??????:confused:.......HELP ME GUYS:(

thanx for morally supporting all foreign graduates like me...i graduated from egypt and now working as a vet in oregon state..how bout u???? got some plans
U wellcome jagjit,
I'm still in the begining just did the toefl and i need to send the application, which i didn't do yet.
i was thinking about it for a long time , and now i finally do some thing about it, i'm still worried from the BCSE that i have to take , but i try to make myself belive that it will be o.k.
did you take both the BCSE and the NAVLE?
I don't understand it sounds like they are both the same exam ?!!?
how long did u take for studying?
and by the way i thought that now a days you can not have the clinical year and you can only do the CPE ? am i right or not ?
any way i need to move things up and get enroll.
hope you stay around to give advices and thank you for all of them.
all the best

ANYBODY WHO HAS TAKEN CPE IN MISSISSIPI.... PLZZZ TELL ME ABOUT THAT EXPERIENCE THERE.......I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO....ITS A VERY COSTLY EXPERIMENT AND I M JUST WORRIED....HELP ME ALL MY FRIENDS......FIRST IT WAS NAVLE AND NOW CPE.... HOW MANY MORE ??????:confused:.......HELP ME GUYS:(
Hi cpevet ,
first you should try to come down you know it will not help u ?!
i'm sorry that i can not help you, this stage is still ahead of me , but i know the feeling when you write here and no one answer you.
so i can just wish you all the luck and don't forget that you can do better when you relaxed. (and i know it's easy for me to talk that way now)
all the best
GOOD LUCK

It’s true that no one,whom have finished all the exams including the CPE on this Forum, has ever looked back to the others. Not even to read what people say. It seems like, and it is very understandable, that they no longer in need for this yakking. What is the point of setting down and writing a whole page or two about something that is useless to me? So they think to them selves. Or perhaps never even think at all. Sad but true.

I was talking with some vets on the forum regarding the same subject a while ago, some whom will be doing the CPE in April, as far as I remember. They had made a promise to leave every body a little of something to go on with. All what we are asking for is the mistakes that they had made. These big “NO NOs “. So we get the “look” .
I, my self, promise to do so. My exam is on June 3rd. patient dear friends. Lucky ones who will be doing it after me. one exception is (Dr.jagjit) ,it was very nice to tell every one about your experiance with LSU. but it would be great to know how was your CPE?.
Best wishes,

One person who took the CPE told me that he fail the surgery part because he for forgot to cover the dogs's hind legs. He said they're very very strick, they will keep their eyes on you all the time, keep asking you soooooo many questions during surgery. What is this call?? What are you doing?? why??
They will ask you to leave the exam room right away if you did something very very wrong......... like...........put on the gloves before a final scrub on the animal or forget to spray the betadine on the animal before surgery.
They will call you by the number and keep in mind that they will try to play a mind game with you any way they can. Prepare not to be treat like a doctor.
Anesthesia part, he said they pull out the reservoir bag or turn off pop-off valve and tell you that you having an emergency situation. They also will ask you a ton of question, keep asking deeper deeper until you can't answer.
They won't fail you because you can't answer the question but they'll mark down your score, so try to answer the question as much as possible.
However,I can't tell you where these experience took place because each exam site are different.
I hope this sharing experience will be a possitive energy:)
Goodluck to all, also for myself

hi there thanx for guiding ...but still i need more information...no on there to guide more bout cpe...i hope somebody will guide us to success...gud luck everyone

:)
They will ask you to leave the exam room right away if you did something very very wrong......... like...........put on the gloves before a final scrub on the animal or forget to spray the betadine on the animal before surgery.
They will call you by the number and keep in mind that they will try to play a mind game with you any way they can. Prepare not to be treat like a doctor.
Anesthesia part, he said they pull out the reservoir bag or turn off pop-off valve and tell you that you having an emergency situation. They also will ask you a ton of question, keep asking deeper deeper until you can't answer.
They won't fail you because you can't answer the question but they'll mark down your score, so try to answer the question as much as possible.
However,I can't tell you where these experience took place because each exam site are different.
I hope this sharing experience will be a possitive energy:)
Goodluck to all, also for myself[/quote]

Hi everyone,

Unfortunately I can't share my own experience with you about CPE, since I am still doing the BCSE. But I found a webpage in the internet with some interesting comments about the CPE.

http://rossskb.homestead.com/CPE1.doc

Hope that will give a little help!

Hi everyone, i have seen this website from ross so many times and it is a very old feed back from a rosss student and is about 2-3 years old so the things have changed now....but still it helps alot to know pattern of exam so thanx for adding this....... meavet and gud luck for ur bcse exam

Unfortunately I can't share my own experience with you about CPE, since I am still doing the BCSE. But I found a webpage in the internet with some interesting comments about the CPE.

http://rossskb.homestead.com/CPE1.doc

Hope that will give a little help![/quote]

I totally agree with dvmjakish that all people who had experienced any of the tests or anything else, should post it here in order to help us all.
We have seen most people asking for help but not sharing their experiences afterwards.
Thanks for all of you who had shared information.
I also have the BCSE to go through.
My question is: we are all foreign and we all have or had to struggle with visa and all that. Has anybody here had experience with getting an H1 visa, or what kind of visa you guys are using to work here?
I guess many of us will appreciate any type of information.
Thanks!

dvm jakish which is ur exam site???? what r u reading and studying for cpe...howz ur surgery?????will u finish it in time??what u think which is ur weak section ...may be we can discuss it:D ur exam is in june ,,....mine is just 2 months away........ :scared:help me someone


It’s true that no one,whom have finished all the exams including the CPE on this Forum, has ever looked back to the others. Not even to read what people say. It seems like, and it is very understandable, that they no longer in need for this yakking. What is the point of setting down and writing a whole page or two about something that is useless to me? So they think to them selves. Or perhaps never even think at all. Sad but true.

I was talking with some vets on the forum regarding the same subject a while ago, some whom will be doing the CPE in April, as far as I remember. They had made a promise to leave every body a little of something to go on with. All what we are asking for is the mistakes that they had made. These big “NO NOs “. So we get the “look” .
I, my self, promise to do so. My exam is on June 3rd. patient dear friends. Lucky ones who will be doing it after me. one exception is (Dr.jagjit) ,it was very nice to tell every one about your experiance with LSU. but it would be great to know how was your CPE?.
Best wishes,[/quote]

I totally agree with dvmjakish that all people who had experienced any of the tests or anything else, should post it here in order to help us all.
We have seen most people asking for help but not sharing their experiences afterwards.
Thanks for all of you who had shared information.
I also have the BCSE to go through.
My question is: we are all foreign and we all have or had to struggle with visa and all that. Has anybody here had experience with getting an H1 visa, or what kind of visa you guys are using to work here?
I guess many of us will appreciate any type of information.
Thanks!
Hi gigivet , this is what i was asking for some time here , and i'm still trying to understand how it works , being in the usa and being legal??????
is that mean that i need to get merried to get my green card ????
any way i would be more then happy to hear you friends about your expirience in that subject.....
all the best

OK, State UN.
Well, like I said it's in June so I have long time to do things. I have just came out the Navle exam 2 hours ago. if that give you any idea. So I have been studying for long time.
I have already planed to go out with Bovine, equine vets in my off days (have three days off a week). I will be doing that for the next six months. Also I will go to a lab that does all the lab work in the state , and also do a couple of days there. Since I work in surgical specialty center I’m covered for Surgery, Anesthesia, and radiology.
Main things I need are large animal stuff. I have time for that I guess.
Tell me how can I help????



dvm jakish which is ur exam site???? what r u reading and studying for cpe...howz ur surgery?????will u finish it in time??what u think which is ur weak section ...may be we can discuss it:D ur exam is in june ,,....mine is just 2 months away........ :scared:help me someone


It’s true that no one,whom have finished all the exams including the CPE on this Forum, has ever looked back to the others. Not even to read what people say. It seems like, and it is very understandable, that they no longer in need for this yakking. What is the point of setting down and writing a whole page or two about something that is useless to me? So they think to them selves. Or perhaps never even think at all. Sad but true.

I was talking with some vets on the forum regarding the same subject a while ago, some whom will be doing the CPE in April, as far as I remember. They had made a promise to leave every body a little of something to go on with. All what we are asking for is the mistakes that they had made. These big “NO NOs “. So we get the “look” .
I, my self, promise to do so. My exam is on June 3rd. patient dear friends. Lucky ones who will be doing it after me. one exception is (Dr.jagjit) ,it was very nice to tell every one about your experiance with LSU. but it would be great to know how was your CPE?.
Best wishes,[/quote]

Today’s Navle was my 2nd, Since we are not allowed to say what question was on the test I will only say in general how was it to do it twice.
I failed first one with one point 424/ 425. so I really hope to pass this time. So first time it took me 50 minutes to finish a section of 60 question, today only 40 minutes that gave me more time to go back to check the questions that I have marked. The reasons for this were, 1st photos are way better, clearer than before. It took less time to look at them. 2nd today they have put the normal lab numbers like (pcv 35%-45%). immediately after the numbers for the sick animal so you don’t waste time looking for them. 3rd I was more prepared.
When I see a weird question, or long question that take 2 minutes just to read I just select the first answer and continue the exam. In the end if I had time which I did, I take my time on reading it. knowing that I have the other questions answered, so made my self more relax. What happened to me in the first exam is that I was freaking out trying to catch up with time and when I get a long question I read it and the same time I was thinking that it will take long time to resolve it so I can’t concentrate on it. End up wasting more time.
There are some questions that are so easy you know the answer before you finish reading the question. “Do read the whole question though just in case”. And some questions are so weird that I couldn’t find answers for them neither on books nor online. So don’t get worried about these questions . Remember they might be test questions.(there are 60 of the 360 questions that don't count)
I hope this help.

hi thanx for responding.....well i have done navle already.....so i m just worried bout cpe.....how long u take for doing spay??? have u done it/???? equine lameness???? the techniqes?????have u covered everything in manual????? do u know something bout mississiipi center????? which one is urs...UN state.......which i s that??????plz guide me more
thanx bro:thumbup:

hi thanx for responding.....well i have done navle already.....so i m just worried bout cpe.....how long u take for doing spay??? have u done it/???? equine lameness???? the techniqes?????have u covered everything in manual????? do u know something bout mississiipi center????? which one is urs...UN state.......which i s that??????plz guide me more
thanx bro:thumbup:
cpevet ,
i think you will be o.k , you really have to work on how to relax, think about it, the worse thing that could happen is that u will have to take it again.
i understand you, i have the same feelings when i stand before exams.
i will probably be the same as you now when my time for that exam will come.
where did you study ?
i wish you all the best and don't forget to think positive

hi yoga....well thanx for boosting me but really i want to clear all cpe sections first time sooooo i m worried.... i have put lotz of money thereeeeeeee:scared:
i think you will be o.k , you really have to work on how to relax, think about it, the worse thing that could happen is that u will have to take it again.
i understand you, i have the same feelings when i stand before exams.
i will probably be the same as you now when my time for that exam will come.
where did you study ?
i wish you all the best and don't forget to think positive[/quote]

Plz if you can tell us which books did you find more helpful for the BSCE and NAVle , Thank you , and I wish you good luck in you CPE exam.
Thank you againTo get a vet tech license you have to provide one of two things either a graduation from a vet tech school or a 5 years experience as a veterinary assistant. in my case I didn't have either, but i have a vet license from a different country with 6 years experience. I called the veterinary board in my state and i told them that I would like to apply for the veterinary technician board exam "200 questions. done twice a year". I told them about my qualification. they said it's more than enough "more like “over qualified”'. I did the test 3 months later and then I had to do an open book state exam “you do it home and send it in , mostly about the vet laws”.. Then I got the license. it's really easy. Check the department of health, licensing department in your State. you should know all the answers. There is no need to have any license to work as assistant, although you can have license, the same way but if you want to do it you may as well do the technician.Some technicians I knew worked as assistants for 5 years and then applied for the exam.Every state has different laws .in my state, vet tech can do most of everything except, making a diagnosis, prescribing drug, doing surgery. you can do lots of procedures without supervision of veterinarian and more with the veterinarian, for example you can induce anesthesia when there is vet in sight view of you and the animal.. when you apply for the exam as technician they will mail you a book of all this rules, Don't worry about it though, when you work in a clinic they will tell you what you can do.I think you are over qualified, you can easily work in any hospital, a full year of internship should be enough to get you an assistant job for now.I hope this can help.

Hi, I wish you guys read the earlier posts, they have a lot of answers. anyways, here are what I read.

There is a series of books called the national veterinary medical series. These books has been written practically for the NAVLE. The best one that you are going to love is the small animal surgical one. Although the books are dated to 1996 they are still great. So you can cover almost everything except anesthesia.
The things that I read from Merck were about the diagnosis of the infectious diseases, FIV, FeLV, Rabies,,,, like if you get a positive FIV test in a 2 months old kitten , then what? Is he/ she really infected …
Also I read more about lameness in large animals and large animal surgery (FL UN videos are great for this part). Oh, and the hematology section from Merck too..

My story with The BCSE was, that I had studied for the NAVLE before the BCSE so it was very easy for me to pass it. I basicly went over all the things that I read before really quickly not too much detailed.
There is a book that you can depend on of the BCSE though it has 80 % of what you need to know, it’s called ” Moby’s comprehensive review for veterinary technician” Amazon it.

Also I went online and found tons of materials that were useful check this site out …
http://www.upei.ca/~vetrad/lectures.htm (http://www.upei.ca/~vetrad/lectures.htm)
This will tell you everything about how to read an x-ray .. the one that every one love , thoracic radiology


Good luck

Plz if you can tell us which books did you find more helpful for the BSCE and NAVle , Thank you , and I wish you good luck in you CPE exam.
Thank you again

I haven't done spay for long time, I used to do it in 35-40 minutes. I own two horses so I had my little experiance with lamness. but I'm really depending on the rounds I will be doing with the equine vets. I only opened the manual once , My exam is 7 months later so I will take a little break after the Navle ...I'm going to Oklahoma state Un.. I don't know anything about any place...

hi thanx for responding.....well i have done navle already.....so i m just worried bout cpe.....how long u take for doing spay??? have u done it/???? equine lameness???? the techniqes?????have u covered everything in manual????? do u know something bout mississiipi center????? which one is urs...UN state.......which i s that??????plz guide me more
thanx bro:thumbup:

Dear DVM JAKISH..
Ohh Maaaaaaaan,Who are you??!!!! you are awesome and so positive,
You are trying to help all people here in which is going make me pride that we have a very wonderful person in this forum can help other person very well.
I just wanted to say thanks and hope you'll pass all your exam and have a briliant future everywhre that you live.
Cheers,
Farzin.

well u r great person ....i will like to see u someday...thanx for replying...well u r goin to ok state uni. for seeing or just getting to know ur exam site..can we do that???????????? how bout cpe material if u can provide me for cpe because mine exam is real close...i have to get material for it.....what r name of ur horses????:)....thanx byeeee:p

I’m speechless! Thank you. I’m glad I was helpful.
Oh, Me, just a foreign graduate who is trying not to be "foreign" .

Dear DVM JAKISH..
Ohh Maaaaaaaan,Who are you??!!!! you are awesome and so positive,
You are trying to help all people here in which is going make me pride that we have a very wonderful person in this forum can help other person very well.
I just wanted to say thanks and hope you'll pass all your exam and have a briliant future everywhre that you live.
Cheers,
Farzin.

I'm going to Ok state uni for the exam only. I wish I can take a tour though..
I think I'm going to stick to the manual. I will study ,one more time, everything and concentrate on things that I will be doing. It’s a clinical exam so I think they need to see you in action as much as knowing information. I will see what is it exactly that they want us to do and I will ask the vets that I will be doing round with to make sure I can do them comfortably.
If you haven’t gone out with large animal vets. You probably should. I don’t think any vet will let you down if you ask.

In the www.AVMA.COM (http://www.avma.com/) a link
http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/cpe_common_diagnoses.pdf (http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/cpe_common_diagnoses.pdf) this has what so called” most common diseases” I will concentrate on these diseases, they are still too many , but not as many as all of them.
I have couple of files “word” of great Bovine LAD, RAD, and similar problems …, also goat, sheep ketosis with real cases… they are about 10 pages each but they are great.. I was thinking to just post them in the forum but though every one will hate me because they will take a lot of space. The problem about this forum is that you can’t add an attachment.. I will be happy to e-mail them to you if you are interested. I guarantee you read them once and you are set, They are very smooth…

There is an online company I’m sure you have heard of them,” VCRC” they sell a CPE training book. I hear it’s okay, not sure.. but I say if you read what you have read for the NAVLE and get some training then you don’t need any extra stuff.


Redmond and Chewy


well u r great person ....i will like to see u someday...thanx for replying...well u r goin to ok state uni. for seeing or just getting to know ur exam site..can we do that???????????? how bout cpe material if u can provide me for cpe because mine exam is real close...i have to get material for it.....what r name of ur horses????:)....thanx byeeee:p

[COLOR=black] nice to hear from u so quick well..... when is ur exam????.... i have seen the list of cpe common diagnoses...it is long...i have done large animals...bleeding tail vein is not easy...ha ha ha.......well ...vcrc is said to have good stuff but i dont have one....i will like to have used one....what else can i use to test my self...how can i judge me that if i m ready for exam i mean like websites for navle....u can e mail me at [EMAIL="satvir_sohal@yahoo.com"]satvir_sohal@yahoo.com. my friend needs all this information he is goingto take cpe ..bye

Hey dvmjakish,
you deserve to succeed and I am sure you will!
Thanks for all your help! You are awesome!
I hope people will follow your example and share more information here.
Any type of info is welcome.
I wish the best for everyone!

jagit how was ur cpe exam...have u done it????? dvm jakish u r really helpful where r u ?? when is ur exam????? keep on guiding us!!!!!!!!! thanx;)

well i have already done my cpe exam and working as a vet ....i attended one year at lsu for this but that training was no good.....anyway i have done cpe in old format.......(7 sections) but it is new changed cpe and i m just helping one of my friends who is going to take it in jan08 in las vegas....so i asked dvm jakish for that....he is really helpful not only me but for all on this site
keep it up jakish!!!:D

so you have done CPE, can you please tell us about it. I know there is new one, but it's almost the same they just combined two sections into one.
Did you pass the whole thing at once? what should we and shouldn't we do....
Mine is in june 08




well i have already done my cpe exam and working as a vet ....i attended one year at lsu for this but that training was no good.....anyway i have done cpe in old format.......(7 sections) but it is new changed cpe and i m just helping one of my friends who is going to take it in jan08 in las vegas....so i asked dvm jakish for that....he is really helpful not only me but for all on this site
keep it up jakish!!!:D

I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, HOW DID YOU FIND THE MOSBY REVIEWS 5 SERIES?, NOW I'M MAINLY READING THE MOSBY BOOKS, BUT AS YOU SAID I WILL BUY THE NATIONAL VETERINARY SERIES, SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MOSBY REVIEWS? IT S WORTH IT TO SPEND TIME AND FOCUS ON NET OR NO?
THANK YOU AGAIN.so you have done CPE, can you please tell us about it. I know there is new one, but it's almost the same they just combined two sections into one.
Did you pass the whole thing at once? what should we and shouldn't we do....
Mine is in june 08

I have the Mosby's reviews, I have got them as a gift a year and half a go. I think they have been bought from Amazon. they are like new. I only read 1 % of theie questions. I didn't like the way that the questions are asked. I'm going to list them on Amazon or ebay very soon.
I don't think that they have done anything to me. if you thing you really want them I can sell them to you. they are like new . no one single mark on them.

On the other hand, the national veterinary series has good quality questions after every section, also in the end of the book there are 100 questions. they are very good questions. Now this books I will never get red of. they are a keeper.

I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, HOW DID YOU FIND THE MOSBY REVIEWS 5 SERIES?, NOW I'M MAINLY READING THE MOSBY BOOKS, BUT AS YOU SAID I WILL BUY THE NATIONAL VETERINARY SERIES, SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MOSBY REVIEWS? IT S WORTH IT TO SPEND TIME AND FOCUS ON NET OR NO?
THANK YOU AGAIN.

Hey everybody,
ECFVG website just udated some info about Specific Steps of the ECFVG Certification Program. I am not sure which information they updated and because I am not familiarized with the CPE section, I think whoever is interested should take a look at it. (It might be about CPE, I don’t know).
According to ECFVG, WE are responsible for checking their website for updates.
Just a tip: To know when they have updated something without having to check everything, you can try to set up your computer with the “ECFVG RSS feed”, which is a little orange icon that you will find in their website. It will keep you updated about ECFVG new information. To get more info in how does it work and how to set up your computer for it, go to the ECFVG website, find the orange icon and you will figure everything out.
Cheers!

hello dvm jakish..well i did my cpe in tuskegee uni. and passede all ..it depends all on ur exam site..some r cool and some strict..they just ask whatz in the manual...just concentrate more on surgery and anasth cause in these we make the fatal flaws.....farm animals and equine is cool everywhere...know thw lameness and the physical exam....for rads go for thrall.....patho...know the necropsy how u doit....small a medicine ..must know the prescription writing from plumbs ......physical exam is same in all cases.....history taking m.imp....know to fill out soaps....... lastly talk to examiners discuss with them rather than acting as a candiddate...they love to discuss and even tell at same spot that u passed their section.... use ur common sense and keep ur eyes open......just know everthing in manual and the subjects related to the topics because they ask things which r not in manual...means they ask from anywhere and u cannot say that it is not covered in manual......rest leave to god ...just do the efforts....u will get results..... :) so you have done CPE, can you please tell us about it. I know there is new one, but it's almost the same they just combined two sections into one.
Did you pass the whole thing at once? what should we and shouldn't we do....
Mine is in june 08

Thanks, I appreciate your help. One question. Any Idea where I can find info about doing the necropsy the right way?

hello dvm jakish..well i did my cpe in tuskegee uni. and passede all ..it depends all on ur exam site..some r cool and some strict..they just ask whatz in the manual...just concentrate more on surgery and anasth cause in these we make the fatal flaws.....farm animals and equine is cool everywhere...know thw lameness and the physical exam....for rads go for thrall.....patho...know the necropsy how u doit....small a medicine ..must know the prescription writing from plumbs ......physical exam is same in all cases.....history taking m.imp....know to fill out soaps....... lastly talk to examiners discuss with them rather than acting as a candiddate...they love to discuss and even tell at same spot that u passed their section.... use ur common sense and keep ur eyes open......just know everthing in manual and the subjects related to the topics because they ask things which r not in manual...means they ask from anywhere and u cannot say that it is not covered in manual......rest leave to god ...just do the efforts....u will get results..... :)

animal shelter rulessssssssssssssss!!!!!!! go there:thumbup: Thanks, I appreciate your help. One question. Any Idea where I can find info about doing the necropsy the right way?
[/quote]

I'm lost, can you please explain ?????


animal shelter rulessssssssssssssss!!!!!!! go there:thumbup: Thanks, I appreciate your help. One question. Any Idea where I can find info about doing the necropsy the right way?
[/quote]

I'm lost, can you please explain ?????


[/QUOTE]
probably because they euthanize there quite alot so u will have the opportunity to do it over there?!........ and practice autopsy.

What I was looking for is Book, paper, or online site to actualy read the steps...


probably because they euthanize there quite alot so u will have the opportunity to do it over there?!........ and practice autopsy.[/quote]

necropsy in mammals book is good ...get it on amazon.com.....just do it and learn it it is easy but only stink is bad:mad: What I was looking for is Book, paper, or online site to actualy read the steps...


probably because they euthanize there quite alot so u will have the opportunity to do it over there?!........ and practice autopsy.[/quote]

dvmjakish,
I have the material from the necropsy rotation that I did in my clinical year.
There is a description of necropsy in horses, but all of them are pretty much the same. There is also some interesting things like the steps to perfrom a good necropsy (history, ....), how to describe a particular lesion and preservation of tissue speciments, etc...(I don't know if they would ask such things, maybe jagjit may tell you).
Cheers!

thanks guys

Well, I did some serch online and I found sone PDF files I think they are enough for the CPE.
Here they are for every one....
http://www.army.mil/usapa/med/DR_pubs/dr_a/pdf/tbmed283.pdf

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/infomgt/forms/eforms/dd1626.pdf

http://www.martindalecenter.com/Vet_8_Subject.html

http://w3.vet.cornell.edu/nst/toc.html

http://www.vetserveng.moag.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/727B2288-6713-4D6B-BA27-758C305105B5/1885/Veterinarynecropsytechnique.pdf

http://www.vet.purdue.edu/vtdl/vtdlhome/VTDLDocuments/mentorship%20info/VM224LogBook.pdf

Hi,
I would like to know if anybody preparing for CPE in New York so you can guide me, How to prepare or how to study.
Thank you so much for your help
vet1998

Just took BCSE yesterday for the first time
mostly questions were simple enough as the name BCSE but It's doesn't easy though!!!!!
For everyone who are going to take this exam, lecture notes are extreamly important. A lot of questions related to clinical year
Quite a lot of x-ray to read, also 5-6 questions about artifact(x-ray and ultrasound)
try to go over basic equine stuff like denal, ageing,lameness some important infectious diseases and perfornance related syndrome.
Concentrate in small animal, make sure you know how to read CBC, blood chemistry, fecal exam, surgery also important.
~30% of Bovine questions
~10% of swine, avian and another spp.
Don't waste your time reading text books for information in detail, the exam is basic thing we've learn and practice in clinical year(for me it has been 3 years since graduated:o )
If you need more info please email me I don't want our forum to be banded :eek:
meaw-ny@hotmail.com

Hi guys. I am taking the CPE test in january and would like some information about SOAP veterinary Notes. Subjective Objective Acessment Plan.
Thanks

I have the University of Florida NAVLE preparatory course offered for foreign veterinarians. They are 29 VHS tapes. They are a good start for the BCSE offered now and it gives you an idea about the veterinary medicine practiced in North America. I originally graduated from Cairo University (Egypt) where the major impact is food animal medicine. I'm putting these tapes for sale $350 (I originally got them for $500 on 2004). I'm located in Tucson, AZ and will ship them from there. My email is ysawires@gmail.com
Youhanna Sawires

u can get these videos for free on site of uni. of florida...i have downloaded all videos ON CD...may be u got them earlier moreover they r same like the VCRC COURSE SO TRY TO DONATE THEM IT WILL BE MORE USEFUL:) MOREOVER IN N AMERICA MORE EMPHASIS IS ON DOGS AND CATS NOT FOOD ANIMALS ( THEY R JUST SLAUGHTERED).......MEAVET CAN HELP ALL THOSE APPEARING IN BCSE OR DVM JAKISH FOR NAVLE.....GREAT GUYS

Hey CPEVET..
I am just wondering ,can I have the address to download the video that you said? Have a great studying,
Cheers,
Farzin.

hey just google uni.of florida and go the online catalogue of florida library ...u can choose from there whatever u want and download it..:)Hey CPEVET..
I am just wondering ,can I have the address to download the video that you said? Have a great studying,
Cheers,
Farzin.

Hey I am from florida, I am in the second step to get the vet, but we may can chat,
Hi Guys,

if you are as slow as I am I want to let you know that you can obtain a licence for a particular state and work as a vet once you pass NAVLE!!!!! You don't have to wait for CPE.
So for you guys who wants to practice some surgeries etc. before CPE do the Laws and Rules Examination and go practice!!

By any chance are any of you in FL???

hey just google uni.of florida and go the online catalogue of florida library ...u can choose from there whatever u want and download it..:)
hi cpevet,
would you give me a link to dowmload it??
I couldn't find it
Thanks

hello guys
i m staring to prepar for navle,i garatuated from spain,i m here in states,i bought CVRC,i studing 3-4h.
My question: i m working full time job ,diferent field,has nothing to do with veterinary sciences,and also i dont have ennough practice in clinic.,is i keep with this rythm i m able to have good prep for nalve spring 2008.
Plz ,i need response ,i m really concerned about it.
I really apreciate any answer.

hello guys
I m staring to prepar for navle,i garatuated from spain,i m here in states,i bought CVRC,i studing 3-4h daily
My question: i m working full time job ,diferent field,has nothing to do with veterinary sciences,and also i dont have ennough practice in clinic.,is i keep with this rythm i m able to have good prep for nalve spring 2008????
Plz ,i need response ,i m really concerned about it.
I really apreciate any answers.

There anybody preparing NAVLE in DC,or maryland area.
I m looking for group studies.
Thank you

Hello my name is bader,i m graduated from spain,universidad de cordoba,
Me gustaria tener alguna idea de como te ha preparado el navle,porq estoy en ello ahora,usted has estudiado en espana a lo mejor me das algunos consejos
Agradezco cualquiera opinion.
Muchas gracias

Hey puyol , how are you?
first try not to worry too much. unfortunately i can't not help you with your question cause i'm not there yet, one day i'll get to that exam too......
but what i do want to say, is be patient it may take some days but the people here in this forum do answer. so hopefully you will get some answers soon
good luck

?uestion session.........
WiTh TuT.....................

Ok im a first year student in egypt and i want to know for the ecfvg/ pave can i prepare for it with a under grad degree, as in the bachelors degree,or do i have to finish grad school, also i want to know do i have to finish a clinical year at a american univ.? these questions are really important to me because if i have to finish in a univ. than that is gonna be tooooooooooooooo expensive giving the exchange rate for a dollar to each egyptian pound, so if anyone out there knows the answers please give them to me and please dont give me those websites because ive been there a million times and it doesnt help.

With aNiMaL LoVe,
pEaCe tO ThE WoRlD...........:cool:
TutUt

KingTut,
To register in the ECFVG certification program, an applicant has to be graduated of, or final-year student at, an AVMA-listed veterinary college.
(That is the step #1, proof of graduation).
Applicants may proceed with the other steps of the program while verification of graduation is being obtained. (This info is at ECFVG website http://www.avma.org/education/ecfvg/ecfvg_pp_steps.asp)

I am not sure if they allow first year students to register, but you can always call or e-mail them.

And no, you don't have to finish clinical year at a US university. This was the old step 4 that now was replaced by the CPE.

I am not familiar with PAVE.

Hope this help you.

i think u r too excited to be a vet in usa:hardy:...or just a early bird :o...first try to finish the work in ur hand....then think bout here...remeber a bird in hand is better than two in bush........by the time u r going to come here they r gonna change the system a lot so then u will get worried bout the new system:mad:....so concentrate in ur school studies:rolleyes:?uestion session.........
WiTh TuT.....................

Ok im a first year student in egypt and i want to know for the ecfvg/ pave can i prepare for it with a under grad degree, as in the bachelors degree,or do i have to finish grad school, also i want to know do i have to finish a clinical year at a american univ.? these questions are really important to me because if i have to finish in a univ. than that is gonna be tooooooooooooooo expensive giving the exchange rate for a dollar to each egyptian pound, so if anyone out there knows the answers please give them to me and please dont give me those websites because ive been there a million times and it doesnt help.

With aNiMaL LoVe,
pEaCe tO ThE WoRlD...........:cool:
TutUt

yoga:laugh: u r the spirit of studentdoc site (section ECFVG) ....u have not cleared any exam yet... but still from ur messages it seems u r a 65 year old vet guiding fresh BUDDING graduate vets of 25 year age...most of the SPIRIT BOOSTING(I DONT KNOW IF THEY BOOST OR NOT:rolleyes:) are from YOGA THE CAT .....WELL may be u have more experience in"HOW TO BOOST MORALE OF A STRUGGLING ECFVG CANDIDATE".......we all look forward for more energy and hope filled posts from u dedicated to all(AND U TOO) struggling ecfvg candidates :hardy:

Cool cardiology (EVERYTHING) is on www.vetgo.com (http://www.vetgo.com)

Cool radiology (clinical cases) is on www.veterinaryradiology.net (http://email.seznam.cz/redir?http://www.veterinaryradiology.net)

Hello Jagjit,

from your short answers I assume you are very bussy. Still I would like to ask you (and others would probably joint me:) if you can give us a little bit more details if you can about your CPE.

I am going to Tuskegee in May 2008.

Thank you very much in advance.

Jitka.

yoga:laugh: u r the spirit of studentdoc site (section ECFVG) ....u have not cleared any exam yet... but still from ur messages it seems u r a 65 year old vet guiding fresh BUDDING graduate vets of 25 year age...most of the SPIRIT BOOSTING(I DONT KNOW IF THEY BOOST OR NOT:rolleyes:) are from YOGA THE CAT .....WELL may be u have more experience in"HOW TO BOOST MORALE OF A STRUGGLING ECFVG CANDIDATE".......we all look forward for more energy and hope filled posts from u dedicated to all(AND U TOO) struggling ecfvg candidates :hardy:
jagjit my dear this was a nice thing to say, thanks.
i think i just know the feeling of being there.
I, after a long time of cheking this whole thing and reading and reading again and again in the ECFVG site, and sending them e-mails with questions (by the way it's good they do answer the questions) and after thinking if i should do it or not so many times (cause after all it's money and time and you need to work some how and visa and so on) i took the chance and finally i send all the documants and i'm happy.
i went to a toefl test with out studying and it was not to bad but not enough (21 in listening and 23 in speaking) so i take english now for the toefl and hopefully this 8 weeks will help me improve.
it's all time consuming and money too and you need to think and use your brain right, it's great to have other people who been there and can help you with the unknown.
but jagjit...... i'm not that old ..... hehehehe. at list i look young
so keep the good work
all the best

u r very lucky to get tuskegee ...i went there i cleared all sections....that is all black school..so they r not racist.....so just do whatever in manual..they dont care bout minor things only the major flaws r counted....be careful in surgery...rest i tell u now that all ur sections r cleared for sure...u have lot of time...that os sufficient for prepration.....yes i m busy in my work...got lot of cats and dogs waiting for me Hello Jagjit,

from your short answers I assume you are very bussy. Still I would like to ask you (and others would probably joint me:) if you can give us a little bit more details if you can about your CPE.

I am going to Tuskegee in May 2008.

Thank you very much in advance.

Jitka.

well if u think of money in the process of getting licensed here then u r leading to nowhere....i know persons who cleared navle the 5 th time...and some of them have loans of over $50,000... then u have to pay for cpe($6-7,000)so to get something u have to give something.....but it is really foolish to sit in an exam without studying(like u did in toefl) and then thinking oh god!!! i could have studied more and i could have saved money :mad:...everything is written clear on the avma website about the steps u have to do....that means u have to do and it is the same rules for every candidate no exceptions....i believe more in doing then talking...and all the ecfvg candidates r wise enough to think about their money and time...... so instead of thinking bout money try to get best out of ur money..... and if u think u r wasting time(like u said time consuming) and money then let me tell u that in usa everything happens step by step u cant jump from toefl to cpe ..u have to do bcse,navle and then cpe.....if it is time consuming then plz just quit it and enjoy life in someway that is not time consuming and is cheap jagjit my dear this was a nice thing to say, thanks.
i think i just know the feeling of being there.
I, after a long time of cheking this whole thing and reading and reading again and again in the ECFVG site, and sending them e-mails with questions (by the way it's good they do answer the questions) and after thinking if i should do it or not so many times (cause after all it's money and time and you need to work some how and visa and so on) i took the chance and finally i send all the documants and i'm happy.
i went to a toefl test with out studying and it was not to bad but not enough (21 in listening and 23 in speaking) so i take english now for the toefl and hopefully this 8 weeks will help me improve.
it's all time consuming and money too and you need to think and use your brain right, it's great to have other people who been there and can help you with the unknown.
but jagjit...... i'm not that old ..... hehehehe. at list i look young
so keep the good work
all the best

well if u think of money in the process of getting licensed here then u r leading to nowhere....i know persons who cleared navle the 5 th time...and some of them have loans of over $50,000... then u have to pay for cpe($6-7,000)so to get something u have to give something.....but it is really foolish to sit in an exam without studying(like u did in toefl) and then thinking oh god!!! i could have studied more and i could have saved money :mad:...everything is written clear on the avma website about the steps u have to do....that means u have to do and it is the same rules for every candidate no exceptions....i believe more in doing then talking...and all the ecfvg candidates r wise enough to think about their money and time...... so instead of thinking bout money try to get best out of ur money..... and if u think u r wasting time(like u said time consuming) and money then let me tell u that in usa everything happens step by step u cant jump from toefl to cpe ..u have to do bcse,navle and then cpe.....if it is time consuming then plz just quit it and enjoy life in someway that is not time consuming and is cheap
wow..... that was a little rough but o.k i guess you didn't understood what i was saying, there was no complains here just making a point. i know things go step by step and i don't have a problem with that or any expectation so that is clear.
then about time consuming again it was not a complain, but as you said earlier we are not getting any younger or may be i'm just a little a bit old, so i think about other things like family and kids - but forget about it all.
in the end all i did is writing my point of view sharing part of my situation and that's it, belive me i know what i'm getting in to, and if i wanted the easy way i would take your advise,so thank you very much for that great advise, and for the support and of course for encouraging me to it and not give up.
thank you once again