View Full Version : foreign schools go to europe or israel or australia


Dr.Wolkower
05-12-2006, 11:54 PM
thats all you need to know

BlondeCookie
05-13-2006, 02:37 AM
thats all you need to know


Yeah, but doesn't the school in Israel have their students do clinical rotations in another country (namely USA)? I have a real problem with that. There is the opinion amongst many deans and academic officials in the USA that says that US clinical rotations should be solely the domain of USA med schools as it is part of the American medical school curriculum approved and accredited by LCME.

I have no problem with the schools that have their medical clinical curriculum in their host country and allow their students to do the minor overseas elective elsewhere. However, to allow a foreign country's medical school to use hospital resources and squat on another country for 1/2 of the medical curriculum (ie, clinical rotations) is completely unacceptable.

DocEG
05-13-2006, 06:04 AM
Yeah, but doesn't the school in Israel have their students do clinical rotations in another country (namely USA)? I have a real problem with that.

Well, lucky for you, that doesn't happen :)

I have no problem with the schools that have their medical clinical curriculum in their host country and allow their students to do the minor overseas elective elsewhere.

Israeli schools have you spend a few months of your fourth year in the U.S. taking some electives, this way its easier to get to residency interviews instead of having to fly in from Israel.

I think you are confusing Israel with the Caribbean. Glad I could straighten that out.

BlondeCookie
05-15-2006, 07:51 PM
Israeli schools have you spend a few months of your fourth year in the U.S. taking some electives, this way its easier to get to residency interviews instead of having to fly in from Israel.

I think you are confusing Israel with the Caribbean. Glad I could straighten that out.


Oh. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I did confuse some Israeli schools with Carribean schools who do 1/2 their medical training (ie core clinical rotations) in the USA & UK, which is clearly unjustifiable since they aren't accredited by either LCME or GMC. It's illegal and yet they've done this for over 20 years.

a_ditchdoc
05-22-2006, 02:00 PM
Oh. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I did confuse some Israeli schools with Carribean schools who do 1/2 their medical training (ie core clinical rotations) in the USA & UK, which is clearly unjustifiable since they aren't accredited by either LCME or GMC. It's illegal and yet they've done this for over 20 years.

Something else you may want to consider. Many of the students from these "international medical schools" are US citizens that pay the same US taxes as you. These funds are funneled into teaching hospitals all over the US. To assume that we should recieve some lesser status than americans studying in the US is insulting.

As an american studying in Israel, I only do 4-5 months in the US, the rest is in Israel and a few months in some third world country.

BlondeCookie
05-22-2006, 07:43 PM
Something else you may want to consider. Many of the students from these "international medical schools" are US citizens that pay the same US taxes as you. These funds are funneled into teaching hospitals all over the US. To assume that we should recieve some lesser status than americans studying in the US is insulting.

As an american studying in Israel, I only do 4-5 months in the US, the rest is in Israel and a few months in some third world country.


I think there was a misunderstanding. Sorry about that. I didn't mean to imply that doing electives in a foreign country from the country in which the med school resides is a negative thing. Not at all. I'm terribly sorry if my earlier words were not clear. Of course, if the Israeli schools have clinical education in their home countries, but allow students to do elective rotations elsewhere, then that is fair and equitable.

The argument against having the majority of a school's clinical medical education in another country (ex: USA or UK) separate from the home country of the school (ex: any carib country minus Jamaica) is that the training is not regulated by the clinical country's organisation (ex: LCME or GMC) in which the clinical med education is undertaken. For instance: the LCME is the regulatory body for medical eduction in the USA. GMC is the regulatory body for medical education in the UK. The clinical spots in hospitals in these countries are and should be regulated by both institutions. To have a foreign med school allow its students to undertake and complete ALL of the clinical med education in the USA is just unjustifiable and plainly illegal. Yes, illegal. At the very least, it certainly isn't equitable to the countries' (UK or USA) own clinical students. Did you know that Ross Med School in the caribbeans has more graduates and docs produced each year than ANY med school in the USA? Did you know that they have more clinical spots than ANY American school? Why doesn't the LCME do something about this?

FlindersGrad
05-23-2006, 07:41 AM
To have a foreign med school allow its students to undertake and complete ALL of the clinical med education in the USA is just unjustifiable and plainly illegal. Yes, illegal.

You have said this several times in your posts. I did not attend a carib medical school so I'm not sure how their clinical years work. However, I doubt very seriously what they are doing is illegal. If it were illegal I'm sure that some US governing body would have stepped in by now.
How about putting some credibility behind your claim. SHOW THE PROOF!

tantrum
05-23-2006, 10:10 AM
Although I agree that this practice should be curtailed or even stopped, it is not illegal.
In fact , some medical licensing board like NY specifically state in their web site that certain foreign schools are allowed to have more than 12 weeks of their clerkship rotation in NY.
If the poster is serious, he/she should complain to licensing authorities and see what happens. maybe try a lawsuit if they can find a lawyer.