what are, let's say, the top 10 residency programs in the united states for a PM&S-36?

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what are, let's say, the top 10 residency programs in the united states for a PM&S-36?

What is with the rankings?

Residence are like shoes; everyone thinks that this brand is best. But in the end, they are all about equal. Yes, some residencies open more doors b/c they have very successful alumni, but the CPME would not approve a residency if it didn't meet the needs of the students. Don't get caught up in someones opinion of what is best. We have a student here at CPMS that is very unhappy at his/her residence b/c they choose "one of the best by reputation" not one of the best for them. I'm sure this is true at every school.

What is with the rankings?

Residence are like shoes; everyone thinks that this brand is best. But in the end, they are all about equal. Yes, some residencies open more doors b/c they have very successful alumni, but the CPME would not approve a residency if it didn't meet the needs of the students. Don't get caught up in someones opinion of what is best. We have a student here at CPMS that is very unhappy at his/her residence b/c they choose "one of the best by reputation" not one of the best for them. I'm sure this is true at every school.

Well said Dr. Feelgood. It is tough to rank residency programs since different residency programs will have different focus. As Dr. Feelgood said, one needs to find a residency program that would best fit the needs of the student.

Ok, specialty wise what are the better residencies if you want to specialize in foot surgery. I'm also interested in diabetic foot care? I will seriously move anywhere to go to a good residency.

Ok, specialty wise what are the better residencies if you want to specialize in foot surgery. I'm also interested in diabetic foot care? I will seriously move anywhere to go to a good residency.

By the time you apply for residency training, all of the residency programs will either be a PM&S-24 or PM&S-36. Hence, all programs should technically offer foot surgery training. PM&S-36 programs will train the residents in both forefoot surgery and reconstructive rearfoot surgery. Whereas, PM&S-24 programs will be focus on forefoot surgery, but the residents in these programs may be exposed to reconstructive rearfoot surgery. In general, you will probably be exposed to diabetic foot care in majority of the residency training programs. If you are interested in Diabetic Limb Salvage, you might want to consider programs such as University of Texas at San Antonio and West Penn.

You need to keep in mind that residency programs are constantly evolving. By the time you apply, different residency programs may offer diabetic limb salvage training.

What is with the rankings?

Residence are like shoes; everyone thinks that this brand is best. But in the end, they are all about equal. Yes, some residencies open more doors b/c they have very successful alumni, but the CPME would not approve a residency if it didn't meet the needs of the students. Don't get caught up in someones opinion of what is best. We have a student here at CPMS that is very unhappy at his/her residence b/c they choose "one of the best by reputation" not one of the best for them. I'm sure this is true at every school.

yeah, sorry. molldoll said it better. "ranking" was a poor word choice. in other post, i have seen things like "the top 20% of a class usually get the residency they want". it made sense that those residency spots are the most sought after since the TOP 20% chose them, and naturally, the spots carried some signification of excellence, usually a numerical assignment, 1 being the "best". i geuss not in this case?? ok, ill quit being a smart ass. :D
all we need to do is use our 4th year as an exploratory period of sort, and hope to get into the one we like the best. is it just that?? i geuss what i am not understanding is how you choose a residency. it would make sense to chose the residency that would open the most doors, right?

For more info on residencies, go to www.aacpm.org and click on the the COTH/CRIP link.

By the time you apply for residency training, all of the residency programs will either be a PM&S-24 or PM&S-36. Hence, all programs should technically offer foot surgery training. PM&S-36 programs will train the residents in both forefoot surgery and reconstructive rearfoot surgery. Whereas, PM&S-24 programs will be focus on forefoot surgery, but the residents in these programs may be exposed to reconstructive rearfoot surgery. In general, you will probably be exposed to diabetic foot care in majority of the residency training programs. If you are interested in Diabetic Limb Salvage, you might want to consider programs such as University of Texas at San Antonio and West Penn.

You need to keep in mind that residency programs are constantly evolving. By the time you apply, different residency programs may offer diabetic limb salvage training.


Thanks so much for the info!!!

By the time you apply for residency training, all of the residency programs will either be a PM&S-24 or PM&S-36. Hence, all programs should technically offer foot surgery training. PM&S-36 programs will train the residents in both forefoot surgery and reconstructive rearfoot surgery. Whereas, PM&S-24 programs will be focus on forefoot surgery, but the residents in these programs may be exposed to reconstructive rearfoot surgery. In general, you will probably be exposed to diabetic foot care in majority of the residency training programs. If you are interested in Diabetic Limb Salvage, you might want to consider programs such as University of Texas at San Antonio and West Penn.

You need to keep in mind that residency programs are constantly evolving. By the time you apply, different residency programs may offer diabetic limb salvage training.

Cool, I shadowed the two DPMs that run the diabetic program at San Antonio. Even met a few Temple students there who were spending a month working at the Texas Diabetes Institute--kind of like an extended interview.

The third years at Temple get to see several residency programs. How does it work at other schools?

Cool, I shadowed the two DPMs that run the diabetic program at San Antonio. Even met a few Temple students there who were spending a month working at the Texas Diabetes Institute--kind of like an extended interview.

The third years at Temple get to see several residency programs. How does it work at other schools?

Your third year in Des Moines is spent in the on-campus clinic and at Broadlawns hospital which does have a residency program. CPMS students visit programs in their 4th year and have no obligation work in a clinic associated w/ the school. Therefore, you could see up to 7 programs before CRIP. (You must spend 4 months at a core rotation and 1 month in private practice, therefore you have 7 months left to see any program you'd like)

At all of the schools you have opportunities to see residencies when ever. Most clinical affair deans (or their equivalent) have information on setting up visits to any program in the US. West Penn offered a free all expense paid visit this October; so there are lots of opportunities to visit programs.

The top ten in no particular order (considered by the majority of people):
-Inova Fairfax (Virginia)
-St Lukes Presby (Denver)
-Swedish (Seattle)
-Northlake (Tucker, Ga)
-West Penn (Pittsburg)
-Detroit Medical Center
-Kaiser Santa Clara (Ca)
-Kaiser Vallejo (Ca)
-U of Texas San Antonio
-JFK (Fl)

If you were to ask people "in the know", these are the programs that you would consistantly hear with possibly a few others.

The top ten in no particular order (considered by the majority of people):
-Inova Fairfax (West Virginia)
-St Lukes Presby (Denver)
-Swedish (Seattle)
-Northlake (Tucker, Ga)
-West Penn (Pittsburg)
-Detroit Medical Center
-Kaiser Santa Clara (Ca)
-Kaiser Vallejo (Ca)
-U of Texas San Antonio
-JFK (Fl)

If you were to ask people "in the know", these are the programs that you would consistantly hear with possibly a few others.

Actually Inova Fairfax is in Virginia (Northern Virginia) and not in West Virginia.

Actually Inova Fairfax is in Virginia (Northern Virginia) and not in West Virginia.

I agree with jonwill. most people would consider those the top high power programs.

The top ten in no particular order (considered by the majority of people):
-Inova Fairfax (Virginia)
-St Lukes Presby (Denver)
-Swedish (Seattle)
-Northlake (Tucker, Ga)
-West Penn (Pittsburg)
-Detroit Medical Center
-Kaiser Santa Clara (Ca)
-Kaiser Vallejo (Ca)
-U of Texas San Antonio
-JFK (Fl)

If you were to ask people "in the know", these are the programs that you would consistantly hear with possibly a few others.


No Regions??? From what I've heard from externs and the local buzz, that is the new hot program.

No Regions??? From what I've heard from externs and the local buzz, that is the new hot program.
Regions is popular at DMU and possibly Scholl. I think it is a good program but it is not a "big name" program.

In addition to your list, I've heard good things about the North Bay Kaiser Consortium in Cali (SF, OAK, Walnut Creek), Scripps Mercy in San Diego and Grant in Columbus, OH, these have been considered top 10 schools by the "in the know" people I've run into :o


The top ten in no particular order (considered by the majority of people):
-Inova Fairfax (Virginia)
-St Lukes Presby (Denver)
-Swedish (Seattle)
-Northlake (Tucker, Ga)
-West Penn (Pittsburg)
-Detroit Medical Center
-Kaiser Santa Clara (Ca)
-Kaiser Vallejo (Ca)
-U of Texas San Antonio
-JFK (Fl)

If you were to ask people "in the know", these are the programs that you would consistantly hear with possibly a few others.

In addition to your list, I've heard good things about the North Bay Kaiser Consortium in Cali (SF, OAK, Walnut Creek), Scripps Mercy in San Diego and Grant in Columbus, OH, these have been considered top 10 schools by the "in the know" people I've run into :o
Agreed :thumbup:

What about the Yale and Harvard residencies? I know one should never count on a name only, but each of these institutions have a solid track record for making sure all of their programs excel. Would no one consider them some of the better residency programs? I've heard a little on here about the Yale residency but not much about the Harvard residency.

Thanks,

AZPOD Rocks

What about the Yale and Harvard residencies? I know one should never count on a name only, but each of these institutions have a solid track record for making sure all of their programs excel. Would no one consider them some of the better residency programs? I've heard a little on here about the Yale residency but not much about the Harvard residency.

Thanks,

AZPOD Rocks

There are three Podiatric Surgical Residency Programs associated with Harvard. They are Massachusetts General Hospital, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, and Cambridge Hospital. Of the three, Cambridge Hospital is probably the better program. Of course, the other two hospitals are more well known.

As for the Yale residency program, the residency program is not solely based out of Yale New Haven Hospital. The residency program is based out of a consortium of Yale and Univ of Conn associated hospitals, which are Yale New Haven Hospital, DVA West Haven, St Raphaels Hospital, New Britain General Hospital. Of course, the residents in the program rotate through other surgery centers and local hospitals, as well.

Speaking of other prestigious hospitals, you would also consider the Podiatric Surgical residency programs at the Cleveland Clinic and Penn Presbyterian Medical Center (one of three University of Pennsylvania Health System core hospitals). Penn Presbyterian Medical Center is one of the few 4 year Podiatric Surgical Residency Programs in the country.

There are three Podiatric Surgical Residency Programs associated with Harvard. They are Massachusetts General Hospital, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, and Cambridge Hospital. Of the three, Cambridge Hospital is probably the better program. Of course, the other two hospitals are more well known.

As for the Yale residency program, the residency program is not solely based out of Yale New Haven Hospital. The residency program is based out of a consortium of Yale and Univ of Conn associated hospitals, which are Yale New Haven Hospital, DVA West Haven, St Raphaels Hospital, New Britain General Hospital. Of course, the residents in the program rotate through other surgery centers and local hospitals, as well.

Speaking of other prestigious hospitals, you would also consider the Podiatric Surgical residency programs at the Cleveland Clinic and Penn Presbyterian Medical Center (one of three University of Pennsylvania Health System core hospitals). Penn Presbyterian Medical Center is one of the few 4 year Podiatric Surgical Residency Programs in the country.
dpmgrad, Which other programs are 4 year? Any advantage to these, besides the obvious additonal training year cases?

dpmgrad, Which other programs are 4 year? Any advantage to these, besides the obvious additonal training year cases?

The are currently four 4 years Podiatric Surgical Residency Programs that I know of. They are Temple University Hospital (Philadelphia, PA) PSR-24+ program, Penn Presbyterian Medical Center (Philadelphia, PA) PM&S-36 (they recently converted) program, St. Barnabas Hospital (Bronx, NY) PM&S-36 program, and Wyckoff Heights Medical Center (Brooklyn, NY) PM&S-36 program. There is a rumor that Temple University Hospital program may be downgrading their program to a three year program with the fourth year being a fellowship year.

In my opinion, I do not see any advantage in doing an extra year residency training. If I wanted to do a total of 4 years of residency training for whatever reason, I would prefer doing a 3 year residency program and then do a 1 year fellowship in something that I would be interested in.

Thanks. I agree, it probably would be/look better to do the standard 3-year then do a fellowship, to zone-in on your area of expertise. What is your specific focus in podiatry, if you don't mind?

Thanks. I agree, it probably would be/look better to do the standard 3-year then do a fellowship, to zone-in on your area of expertise. What is your specific focus in podiatry, if you don't mind?

After completing the 3 years PM&S-36 residency program, I recently joined a Podiatry group. In the Podiatry group that I joined, I will be performing all aspects of forefoot to reconstructive rearfoot surgical procedures. I am currently scheduled to go for the AO/ASIF Orthopedic Trauma Fellowship in Europe in early 2007.

just putting in my 2 cents about the 4 year residency programs. you still only get a PM&S 36.

some say that they need 4 years to get the 3 year numbers. I do not know if that is true or not but once you get your numbers and put in 3 years - what does the 4th get you? I read something about teaching the other residents and if that excites you than go for it.

the programs that I have visited so far have all gotten their numbers by either the end of 1st year or beginning of 2nd year and the rest of time is spent practicing sx and not worrying about numbers.

Now that the year has progressed, anybody have any new opinions on the topic?

I've heard good things about Kentucky and UPMC-Southside.

OSU has a great program as well - its actually pretty interesting because they have a 3 spots for PM&S-36 and I believe 4 or 5 orthopoedic surgery spots - in addition to a foot and ankle fellowship. From my understanding, the facculty and staff are both DPM's and Foot and ankle orthopods - and they focus more on sports injuries/medicine and trauma.

I have heard good things about OSU especially the opportunities to do a F&A fellowship. Did you apply to Grant also?

I have heard good stuff about OSU as well. I was suposed to visit but it didn't work out. Maybe after interviews.

UMDNJ in Jersey is good.

I've heard good stuff about Kentucky as well.

I have heard good things about OSU especially the opportunities to do a F&A fellowship. Did you apply to Grant also?

Hey Feelgood,

yes I'm also applying to Grant. Are you applying there as well?

I have heard good stuff about OSU as well. I was suposed to visit but it didn't work out. Maybe after interviews.

UMDNJ in Jersey is good.

I've heard good stuff about Kentucky as well.

I heard excellent things about UMDNJ - we had a residency fair at our school a month and a half ago and I spoke with a couple of their residents - the program is definately worth a visit. I don't know much about the Kentucky program though - as a matter of fact, this is the first time that I'm a positive feedback about tha program

Hey Feelgood,

yes I'm also applying to Grant. Are you applying there as well?

The students that have rotated at Grant this year have had great things to say about it.

The students that have rotated at Grant this year have had great things to say about it.


Hey jonwill,

How was rotating at DMC? I am actually very serious about that program but I haven't visited them yet. How was your experience there?

Hey Feelgood,

yes I'm also applying to Grant. Are you applying there as well?

Nope, but I am applying for a clerkship at DMC.

Hey jonwill,

How was rotating at DMC? I am actually very serious about that program but I haven't visited them yet. How was your experience there?


Simply put, I cannot imagine a more well-rounded program. It was an awesome experience. I highly recommend a visit there. And who knows, we may meet up there. :)

i have to admit, all the programs i externed at i was very impressed with all aspects of the training and residents.

-Beth Israel (boston, MA)
-INOVA (northern virginia)
-Legacy Health / Kaiser (Portland,OR)
-PSL (Highlands - Denver,CO)

all of these were very similar in training and each had a little different flare to them. They were all reletively balanced programs, some more than others and all of them had great surgical cases and exposure.

keep an open mind when you are out there, but these programs also tend to be in the top 10-15 higher powered programs that is why i think they were all so impressive.

Isn't the Beth Israel residency a 24 month program?

it is a pms-36

i have to admit, all the programs i externed at i was very impressed with all aspects of the training and residents.

-Beth Israel (boston, MA)
-INOVA (northern virginia)
-Legacy Health / Kaiser (Portland,OR)
-PSL (Highlands - Denver,CO)

all of these were very similar in training and each had a little different flare to them. They were all reletively balanced programs, some more than others and all of them had great surgical cases and exposure.

keep an open mind when you are out there, but these programs also tend to be in the top 10-15 higher powered programs that is why i think they were all so impressive.

Beth Israel and Legacy didn't make my original list but I'd have to agree that they are both up there. Let's kick Swedish and UTSA out! :laugh:

Seriously, I haven't talked to anybody from our year that externed at Swedish that was very impressed with it. And UTSA is going through a transition right now but once Dr. Z gets things going, I think it will be good.

Beth Israel and Legacy didn't make my original list but I'd have to agree that they are both up there. Let's kick Swedish and UTSA out! :laugh:

Seriously, I haven't talked to anybody from our year that externed at Swedish that was very impressed with it. And UTSA is going through a transition right now but once Dr. Z gets things going, I think it will be good.

I would not write off Swedish. They had an amazing showing at ACFAS. The residents there won 1st and 3rd in the research manuscripts and they also won a few awards in the poster competition.

I have heard some of the comments on the externship not being that strenuous, but the residents at Broadlawns work a lot of hours does that make it a top 10 program? I rate my top ten a little different than others. I just always take extern comments with a grain of salt. You can't ague with the results. They put out some amazing physicians.

I think if we are dropping any of the programs on the list, I would drop DMC first; they are obviously heading in the wrong direction with their new residents. :laugh:

I would not write off Swedish. They had an amazing showing at ACFAS. The residents there won 1st and 3rd in the research manuscripts and they also won a few awards in the poster competition.

I have heard some of the comments on the externship not being that strenuous, but the residents at Broadlawns work a lot of hours does that make it a top 10 program? I rate my top ten a little different than others. I just always take extern comments with a grain of salt. You can't ague with the results. They put out some amazing physicians.

I think if we are dropping any of the programs on the list, I would drop DMC first; they are obviously heading in the wrong direction with their new residents. :laugh:

It really has nothing to do with hours worked or stress. A surgical residency lives and dies by its surgical training and diversity. That has been the complaint. I know that some great research comes out of Seattle. But according to many that have passed through there, surgical volume and diversity isn't what it used to be (and I'm not sure why). You'll have to go check it out.

Yea, in the past, Swedish has put out some amazing physicians. So has Kern! :laugh:

As for DMC, the Renaissance has begun!

If we are basing ranking on the new crop of residents then INOVA has just moved to the top of the list. :D

If we are basing ranking on the new crop of residents then INOVA has just moved to the top of the list. :D

Yeah, those 2 DMUer's will really bring the standard up there. :laugh: :laugh: :thumbup:

Yeah, those 2 DMUer's will really bring the standard up there. :laugh: :laugh: :thumbup:

Funny funny ha ha:laugh: :mad:

Why did Lillytwig get banned?

Funny funny ha ha:laugh: :mad:

Why did Lillytwig get banned?


I've used my "moderator powers" to try and figure that very thing out. I don't know.

Jonwill-

Enlighten me on why you think Swedish isn't a good program anymore or PM your thoughts if you don't mind. That sort of depresses me because that's one of my top choices right now.

Dens

Krabmas,

I think that I may know the person who might be joining you at INOVA from Scholl. If it is the same person, she is actually a very nice and pleasant person.

Krabmas,

I think that I may know the person who might be joining you at INOVA from Scholl. If it is the same person, she is actually a very nice and pleasant person.

The person from scholl is a he. I know his name but I have never met him. I have heard only good things about him. Like he is super smart and reads all the time.

The person from scholl is a he. I know his name but I have never met him. I have heard only good things about him. Like he is super smart and reads all the time.

Three girls and one guy...THAT POOR GUY!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Three girls and one guy...THAT POOR GUY!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

OR - what a lucky guy;)

I've heard good things about Kentucky and UPMC-Southside.

I've actually heard good things about UPMC as well and was hoping one of my externships might be able to take me there to scope it out.

The person from scholl is a he. I know his name but I have never met him. I have heard only good things about him. Like he is super smart and reads all the time.

I guess my source was incorrect about the Scholl student that got INOVA. :)

I've actually heard good things about UPMC as well and was hoping one of my externships might be able to take me there to scope it out.

I checked out UPMC-SS during the scramble and i thought it was an excellent program. Well rounded and you are trained by Pods and Ortho which is good because they are one of the best ortho residency programs in the country. So when people (especially MD's) hear that you trained there they know that you had excellent training. I chose JFK (fl) over it only due to the amount of trauma they see and rearfoot/ankle sx, but UPMC in my humble opinion was an excellent program.

It really has nothing to do with hours worked or stress. A surgical residency lives and dies by its surgical training and diversity. That has been the complaint. I know that some great research comes out of Seattle. But according to many that have passed through there, surgical volume and diversity isn't what it used to be (and I'm not sure why). You'll have to go check it out.

Yea, in the past, Swedish has put out some amazing physicians. So has Kern! :laugh:Just out of curiousity, what made the Kern/SMSH program slip so far? It was the first DPM residency and used to be a powerhouse, right?

I'm sure I'm naive and missing something since the program failed to match anybody this year, but on paper (CASPR site info and program website), the program sounds good to me. While almost any program can sound good on paper, not many programs are approved to take five PMS-36 residents, and the director is well published (most articles are older but what director's aren't by now lol). The staff DPMs, resident pay/allowances, and case volume sound pretty good to me. Imagine being one of the only pod residents in a hospital approved to take up to five per year... I'd imagine that your surgical volume would be pretty damn good???

(anyone who has externed or knows anything, feel free to PM me if you wish... thanks)

I would not write off Swedish. They had an amazing showing at ACFAS. The residents there won 1st and 3rd in the research manuscripts and they also won a few awards in the poster competition...Out of curiousity, how does the research manuscripts competition work? I can't really figure it out from reading on the website. Do all of the candidates get up there and read to us like it's open mic poetry night, do they give a PowerPoint, or are they just on the CD for people to read later and the winners awarded?

Out of curiousity, how does the research manuscripts competition work? I can't really figure it out from reading on the website. Do all of the candidates get up there and read to us like it's open mic poetry night, do they give a PowerPoint, or are they just on the CD for people to read later and the winners awarded?

A short power point presentation with questions from the crowd. The presentation is supposed to be a under a certain time (like 10-15 minutes), of course, some of the presenters like to hear themselves talk and ignored this (which was really annoying; 1 guy talked for about 30-45 minutes). They are judge by the manuscript NOT by the presentation, which I did not know. Many of the worst presenters were winners.

I checked out UPMC-SS during the scramble and i thought it was an excellent program. Well rounded and you are trained by Pods and Ortho which is good because they are one of the best ortho residency programs in the country. So when people (especially MD's) hear that you trained there they know that you had excellent training. I chose JFK (fl) over it only due to the amount of trauma they see and rearfoot/ankle sx, but UPMC in my humble opinion was an excellent program.
Palmetto (PGH) in Fl also sees a high amount of trauma. I'm actually going to extern there next month. I haven't checked out the JFK program yet. But I definately agree with MODPOD about UPMC being an excellent program. During my externship there, I learned so many things esp. during their lectures and workshops. I liked the fact of training under pods and orthos. It's very well-rounded program overall.

I guess my source was incorrect about the Scholl student that got INOVA. :)

****edited***** A SCPM guy did get into INOVA. He was my class mate and a real cool guy, but he loves to pimp (even in class... geez, like let up man). No, but we partied a lot together too, so he knows how to have fun. He's an avid runner (ultra-marathoner).

Another girl from SCPM is also there, she's a 2nd year now. She's totally cool and from Miami Oxford (OH).

if you have questions for him, search for him on Facebook. Plus on the match list for SCPM, there is a contact info.****edited*****

Just out of curiousity, what made the Kern/SMSH program slip so far? It was the first DPM residency and used to be a powerhouse, right?

I'm sure I'm naive and missing something since the program failed to match anybody this year, but on paper (CASPR site info and program website), the program sounds good to me. While almost any program can sound good on paper, not many programs are approved to take five PMS-36 residents, and the director is well published (most articles are older but what director's aren't by now lol). The staff DPMs, resident pay/allowances, and case volume sound pretty good to me. Imagine being one of the only pod residents in a hospital approved to take up to five per year... I'd imagine that your surgical volume would be pretty damn good???

(anyone who has externed or knows anything, feel free to PM me if you wish... thanks)

DO NOT go there!!! Kern was a great program back in teh day, but they were desperate in teh scramble and took the WORST person from my class last year, like the last place person that should NEVER have graduated (I'm leaving out his name, but every class has that).

Again, Kern was a great program and was one of the best, but taking that one person, almost single-handedly ruined their reputation about quality. Personally, I thought they should have just not taken anyone, cause that year was the worst as far as ratio # students/# spots for residencies, good for US, bad for the programs. There was roughly ~150 (don't quote me, but i'm sure you can ask CASPR/CRIP for actual numbers) more spots than students applying so it was a REAL odd year.

It will never be like that ever again.... so work your ass off!

Just out of curiousity, what made the Kern/SMSH program slip so far? It was the first DPM residency and used to be a powerhouse, right?

I'm sure I'm naive and missing something since the program failed to match anybody this year, but on paper (CASPR site info and program website), the program sounds good to me. While almost any program can sound good on paper, not many programs are approved to take five PMS-36 residents, and the director is well published (most articles are older but what director's aren't by now lol). The staff DPMs, resident pay/allowances, and case volume sound pretty good to me. Imagine being one of the only pod residents in a hospital approved to take up to five per year... I'd imagine that your surgical volume would be pretty damn good???

(anyone who has externed or knows anything, feel free to PM me if you wish... thanks)


Numbers are important of course, but take the ENTIRE program in prospective. There are a LOT of great programs out there and you will make/exceed/kill your surgical numbers at a lot of places. Distinguishing these is of course:
1. Quality (A vs B vs C)
2. Call time (how much of a life will you have, you can exceed the needed numbers and still have a life at a LOT of programs)
3. Diversity (are you doing the same bunion procedure or the same rearfoot reconstruction with the same attending or are you doing different ones with different ppl? plus, do you get exposure to other fields? plastics, ortho, vascular, etc? just be aware)
4. Location (are you doing it in the same central location, or do you travel a lot. Some programs require that you travel real far for numbers, sometimes even other states!!! (ex. DVA-North chicago/St. Joe's)

Be aware that numbers are important, get more specifics about HOW/WHAT these numbers really mean.

His name is Dr. Justin Faul. He's not that smart (j/k) :P. He was my class mate and a real cool guy, but he loves to pimp (even in class... geez, like let up man). No, but we partied a lot together too, so he knows how to have fun. He's an avid runner (ultra-marathoner).

Another girl, Anne Hsu from SCPM is also there, she's a 2nd year now. She's totally cool and from Miami Oxford (OH).

Justin (Juddy) has a facebook profile if you have questions for him. Plus on the match list for SCPM, there is a contact info.

Please be careful about posting people's names here. They may not want to be made public. Especially more information than just names.

bump for more input on residencies. Anyone go to St. Lukes Presby? Or Kaiser?

bump for more input on residencies. Anyone go to St. Lukes Presby? Or Kaiser?Aren't those mediocre programs still scrambling^? :D
j/k... I really gained a lot of insight and respect for PSL and Calif Kaisers at ACFAS in Long Beach this year. I'm not travelling that far for clerkships, but they sure do some very cutting edge stuff and have well read attendings out there.

I'd be pretty curious how AZPod's first class did in match. There was only about a dozen or so students, but I bet a lot of them wanted to stay out west. Maybe some of them clerked and ranked Swedish, PSL, Cali Kaisers, Legacy, etc? I'm sure the Phoenix VA also got competitive and selected dynamite incoming PGY-1s in this cycle.

Does anyone know if the program at Cedar-Sinai in LA is any good? The hospital is one of the best in LA, but I have not heard anyone commenting on the program. How and when do we actually know what to look for in a residency and if it is "good". When I was looking at the match list of the residencies by state, I was looking at the rotations each program provided (I would think more is better?) and the primary focus (as well as what each residency provided the resident each year), but what should one actually be looking at?

Aren't those mediocre programs still scrambling^? :D
j/k... I really gained a lot of insight and respect for PSL and Calif Kaisers at ACFAS in Long Beach this year. I'm not travelling that far for clerkships, but they sure do some very cutting edge stuff and have well read attendings out there.

I'd be pretty curious how AZPod's first class did in match. There was only about a dozen or so students, but I bet a lot of them wanted to stay out west. Maybe some of them clerked and ranked Swedish, PSL, Cali Kaisers, Legacy, etc? I'm sure the Phoenix VA also got competitive and selected dynamite incoming PGY-1s in this cycle.

From what I heard...
13 matched, 2 scrambled.
Don't know all programs, but from what I remember Tucson Va, Presby in Colorado, one of the Kaisers in Cali.
Not much info, but a little.

What is the opinion on city of angels in los angeles? Im starting to look at where i want to do externships and where i will visit and i see that program does something called a baja project and clubfoot surgeries which sounds cool. Is it a good program? Average? Crappy?

What is the opinion on city of angels in los angeles? Im starting to look at where i want to do externships and where i will visit and i see that program does something called a baja project and clubfoot surgeries which sounds cool. Is it a good program? Average? Crappy?

I have a friend at that program so it must be pretty awesome.

I have a friend at that program so it must be pretty awesome.
Well, if you have a friend there, it MUST be cool :laugh:

Well, if you have a friend there, it MUST be cool :laugh:

I know,

That's what I'm saying:D:cool:

Does anyone know if the program at Cedar-Sinai in LA is any good? The hospital is one of the best in LA, but I have not heard anyone commenting on the program.

Along with Cedar-Sinai, does anyone know anything about the Kaiser Bay Area residency or DVA-Palo Alto program?

Along with Cedar-Sinai, does anyone know anything about the Kaiser Bay Area residency or DVA-Palo Alto program?


You can't go wrong with a Kaiser program. There is a good mix of pathology and the number of surgeries are very high for any of the programs. The attendings are well known in the field and you will get a very academic learning experience.

The only down side to the Kaiser programs is that they do involve alot of driving, depending on where you might live. With the price of gasoline over $4 in CA it can be a big factor in your decision, granted they also do have a very favorable salary.

I was checking out the Kaiser program in Santa Clara and it is located entirely at one hospital which would definitely save on gas. How much is the average rent for a 2-bdrm apartment in Cali these days, any idea? Also, how is the scope of practice out west? Is it pretty liberal for the most part?

I was checking out the Kaiser program in Santa Clara and it is located entirely at one hospital which would definitely save on gas. How much is the average rent for a 2-bdrm apartment in Cali these days, any idea? Also, how is the scope of practice out west? Is it pretty liberal for the most part?

Scope of practice is basically up to the hospital in cali. They have a pretty liberal state scope.

Cali has rediculously high rents and housing costs. Have fun with that!

How much is the average rent for a 2-bdrm apartment in Cali these days, any idea?

I would say for a decent apt in a nicer/safer area in the bay area you are probably looking at 1400-1600 per month. It could be a little more depending on the area and, the size of the place etc.

Scope of practice is basically up to the hospital in cali. They have a pretty liberal state scope.

Cali has rediculously high rents and housing costs. Have fun with that!

Krabmas, what is the living situation like around Inova? Pretty reasonable? How close are you guys to DC? In the end I know I am going to be paying more than I do right now since Des Moines is dirt cheap as far as renting goes!

Krabmas, what is the living situation like around Inova? Pretty reasonable? How close are you guys to DC? In the end I know I am going to be paying more than I do right now since Des Moines is dirt cheap as far as renting goes!

The DC area is one of the most expensive areas in the country. The further from DC you live in the suburbs the cheaper the rent but then it is a further commute to INOVA.

INOVA is located where 495, 66, 50 and 29 meet. If you google map it it is the pink square across the street from Mobil Oil Corporation. It is about 10-12 miles outside of DC.

In the past some residents have lived in DC. Now we all live in VA. Rent is cheaper and you get more space in VA than in DC.


Are you doing an externship here?

hopefully in like 3 years...I'm just a first year curious about different programs and areas I may be interested in moving to.