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Hernandez 09-03-2006, 10:35 PM I did a search and didn't come up with much in the ways of discussion on recommended texts. I'm looking for detailed information on how to perform procedures not to carry on me but to use as a reference. I saw some mentioning of Blueprints Clinical Procedures but that was it.
Anyone have any suggestions and why you'd choose your suggested book over something else? I'm looking to read up for some upcoming rotations.
Thanks.
orientedtoself 09-03-2006, 11:26 PM The ICU Book (http://www.amazon.com/ICU-Book-Paul-L-Marino/dp/0683055658/sr=8-2/qid=1157347278/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-5496846-8418248?ie=UTF8&s=books)
coogmed 09-04-2006, 05:09 PM like the ICU book, not a true dedicated "procedural" textbook but useful none the less:
Manual of Intensive Care Medicine, 4th ed. (2005)
http://www.amazon.com/Manual-Intensive-Care-Medicine-References/dp/0781754976/sr=8-6/qid=1157411254/ref=pd_bbs_6/102-2495201-7029714?ie=UTF8&s=books
mshheaddoc 09-05-2006, 11:09 AM So these would be good for lines, periocentesis, chest tubes, etc.
Anyone else have any recommendations? Thanks!
Bobblehead 09-05-2006, 12:54 PM The anesthesia forum has an excellent sticky about procedures: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=203625
A good approach is to read any reference you can get your hand on cheaply (uptodate, ICU book, etc.) for the "overview." This must then be followed by at least a half dozen good teachers for hands-on supervision. Once you've seen several you'll figure out which methods you like and which you don't, developing your own idiosyncracies. At that point in time it's time for you to go to the primary literature and look at case series, trials, etc. for evidence to support various parts of the procedure (i.e. sterile technique, complication rates, ultrasound guidance, etc.).
If your institution has uptodate that's a cheap place to start with good illustrations and a lot of the useful background. Read first, see what others do and develop your approach. If you want speed see what the anesthesiologists do. If you want to see sterile technique find a good intensivist that has seen one too many line infections.
Hernandez 09-06-2006, 01:20 PM A good approach is to read any reference you can get your hand on cheaply (uptodate, ICU book, etc.) for the "overview." This must then be followed by at least a half dozen good teachers for hands-on supervision.
Thanks for the advice, but I'd like a "gold standard" type of hardback reference book with anatomy landmarks, precautions, standard approaches, etc. Especially to have for the times I don't have internet. As you can probably see from my post count, if I’m on the internet, I’m not doing what I should be, so I’ve come full circle again and find that I study better with hard back books and I'm an OCD book whore and I really like having these types of reference books in my own library.
Phlegm 09-06-2006, 04:08 PM Procedures and Techniques in Intensive Care Medicine. 3rd ed. Edited by Irwin and Rippe. Through Lippincott Williams and Wilkins 2003. Its been useful to me. About 300 pages, softcover book. Includes central venous catheters, A-lines, PA caths, cardioversion, chest tubes, paracentesis, etc. etc.
Hernandez 09-06-2006, 04:26 PM Procedures and Techniques in Intensive Care Medicine. 3rd ed. Edited by Irwin and Rippe. Through Lippincott Williams and Wilkins 2003. Its been useful to me. About 300 pages, softcover book. Includes central venous catheters, A-lines, PA caths, cardioversion, chest tubes, paracentesis, etc. etc.
Nice, thank you, that's exactly what I'm looking for.
has anyone heard of
Emergency Medicine Procedures ISBN: 0071360328
or
Clinical Procedures in Emergency Medicine ISBN: 0721697607
Crypt Abscess 09-06-2006, 04:34 PM The following book has many great ilustrations and good text. There are a few procedures that we really don't do in medicine, but overall a very good book. This book is also available electronically via Ovid at most academic hospitals. The book is too big to carry around.
Manual of Common Bedside Surgical Procedures
Source: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins (LWW)
Author(s): Herbert Chen, MD;Christopher J. Sonnenday, MD; Keith D. Lillemoe, MD
Edition: 2nd ed.
Year: 2000
ISBN: 0683307924
Pages: 400
Illustrations: 200
When you are doing procedures, you quickly forget what you read, and there is absolutely no substitute for experience/practice. It also helps just to take a kit home so you can get familiar with the contents/supplies. As the above poster states, everyone does procedures a little differently, and take the better points of a half dozen or so residents that instruct you.
Hernandez 09-06-2006, 06:27 PM The following book has many great ilustrations and good text. There are a few procedures that we really don't do in medicine, but overall a very good book. This book is also available electronically via Ovid at most academic hospitals. The book is too big to carry around.
Manual of Common Bedside Surgical Procedures
Source: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins (LWW)
Author(s): Herbert Chen, MD;Christopher J. Sonnenday, MD; Keith D. Lillemoe, MD
Edition: 2nd ed.
Year: 2000
ISBN: 0683307924
Pages: 400
Illustrations: 200
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That looks great, oddly, I can't find it on OVID though, I guess I'll just have to buy both and figure out which one I like and then keep both :laugh:
When you are doing procedures, you quickly forget what you read, and there is absolutely no substitute for experience/practice. It also helps just to take a kit home so you can get familiar with the contents/supplies. As the above poster states, everyone does procedures a little differently, and take the better points of a half dozen or so residents that instruct you.
I'm sure you're right, but I've found it's been easier to get the procedures if I at least have some base idea of landmarks and procedure with the docs around here.
Hernandez 09-07-2006, 10:10 AM The following book has many great ilustrations and good text. There are a few procedures that we really don't do in medicine, but overall a very good book. This book is also available electronically via Ovid at most academic hospitals. The book is too big to carry around.
Manual of Common Bedside Surgical Procedures
Source: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins (LWW)
Author(s): Herbert Chen, MD;Christopher J. Sonnenday, MD; Keith D. Lillemoe, MD
Edition: 2nd ed.
Year: 2000
ISBN: 0683307924
Pages: 400
Illustrations: 200
I didn't have access to this on OVID, and it's no longer in print and my book store called their supplier and was told there is no planned new editions coming out. so I found a copy of [QUOTE=Hernandez;4119466]
has anyone heard of
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Clinical Procedures in Emergency Medicine ISBN: 0721697607[INDENT]
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DrQuinn 09-18-2006, 10:35 PM I didn't have access to this on OVID, and it's no longer in print and my book store called their supplier and was told there is no planned new editions coming out. so I found a copy of [QUOTE=Hernandez;4119466]
has anyone heard of
[INDENT]
Clinical Procedures in Emergency Medicine ISBN: 0721697607[INDENT]
http://f3c.yahoofs.com/shopping/3046090/simg_t_oingramm0721697607gif
its the best book for procedures. get it. it even has stuff if you need to do outpatient procedures. definately worth the money. i had a drug rep buy me mine.
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Hernandez 09-21-2006, 08:15 PM its the best book for procedures. get it. it even has stuff if you need to do outpatient procedures. definately worth the money. i had a drug rep buy me mine.
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Already got it, I wish it had a few more diagrams, but overall, it seems to be a well done book. Now if the residents would actually let me get procedures other than LPs in, I'd be set.
BlondeCookie 09-22-2006, 03:23 AM What about just a good IM book with basic procedures?
Hernandez 09-22-2006, 07:39 AM What about just a good IM book with basic procedures?
this one has just about everything you would need, central lines, lps, intubation, paracentisis (I'm too lazy to correct my spelling today), etc, etc, but it also has everything from digital blocks to paratenial lavage. I've been unable to think of a procedure that an internist would do that's not in this book yet.
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