Hi, for all of those who are during their rotations, in residency, or practicing (dpm grad i believe) I am wondering the amount of respect you receive from patients and other health care practioners? I am looking into the field of podiatry and it seems to be a really good area of medicine. I know the schools have somewhat lower admission standards when compared to MD or DO schools. Do other physicians or med students look down upon pods for this or any other reasons? Anyone faced discrimination? How about orthopedic surgeons or ones that have a foot and ankle fellowship? I'm sure it matters more of your ability to do work and the type of person you are.
I know the importance of pods (I went to one a lot for lacrosse and soccer injuries) but it seems like most of the public looks down on "foot doctors." I for one, did not realize that pods do a good amount of surgery and foot/ankle trauma without well researching the area. I think people assume pods just trim nails, debride clauses and the like. I am not trolling in any way but I'm curious to how you guys are treated and respected. My pod helped me so much in one visit and took away a TON of pain. I respect the profession and definitely looking into attending a pod college.

Hi, for all of those who are during their rotations, in residency, or practicing (dpm grad i believe) I am wondering the amount of respect you receive from patients and other health care practioners? I am looking into the field of podiatry and it seems to be a really good area of medicine. I know the schools have somewhat lower admission standards when compared to MD or DO schools. Do other physicians or med students look down upon pods for this or any other reasons? Anyone faced discrimination? How about orthopedic surgeons or ones that have a foot and ankle fellowship? I'm sure it matters more of your ability to do work and the type of person you are.
I know the importance of pods (I went to one a lot for lacrosse and soccer injuries) but it seems like most of the public looks down on "foot doctors." I for one, did not realize that pods do a good amount of surgery and foot/ankle trauma without well researching the area. I think people assume pods just trim nails, debride clauses and the like. I am not trolling in any way but I'm curious to how you guys are treated and respected. My pod helped me so much in one visit and took away a TON of pain. I respect the profession and definitely looking into attending a pod college.

Hey there, I'm just a third year student but from my personal experience in the VA hospital and the cleveland clinic, I can honestly say that I received nothing but respect from my MD students colleagues. Granted, not many people know exactly what the podiatric profession is all about but they certainly respect you provided that you are able to deliver on your clinic rotation. I have friends from the Case Western Reserve medical school and quite a few of them at first did not know that we have surgical residencies. I think what makes us different from the MD/DO students is that we are relatively anonymous to most of them. However, once they see you in clinic and demonstrate sound competence, you earn the respect of your peers.

From the experiences of my family and friends in the field of podiatry, I see nothing but respect as well - not just from their patients but from peers and colleagues. Remember, respect is something earned and never granted and also at the end of the day, if you are performing an honest service for a patient, treat your patient like your own family, and are willing to cooperatively work and learn from those around you, then you will do very well in this profession.

Agreed. Some of the trolls that post on SDN are either pre-med idiots or don't really know much about medicine.

Nothing but respect is what I have received. The occasional why feet but I always tell them why butts or women's parts? That usually shuts them up.

Thanks for the replies! I hope dpmgrad is out there too so I can hear a response from a practicing pod. It is a pain for the dumb pre-meds to come in this forum and bash those in pod school or interested in the career. It is the pre meds who bash on the DO's so much too even though they are equals to MD's. You would think they would be smarter. I used to have my heart and soul set on allopathic med school (when I was a college freshman) but I grew wiser, researched other fields, and think that podiatric medicine is a good fit for me. My girlfriend and some friends think its odd to be interested in being a podiatrist but I believe they, like most of the public, do not know enough about the profession. I explain to them what the field consists of nowadays and they are suprised. No one seems to equal podiatry with a doctor specialized in care of the foot and ankle, which includes surgery as well. My friends may assume I want to be a glorified pedicurist which is the problem with the marketing of the profession. Hopefully the new doctors coming out of the 2 and 3 year pod medicine & surgical residencies can change some of this. Thanks again guys.

Thanks for the replies! I hope dpmgrad is out there too so I can hear a response from a practicing pod. It is a pain for the dumb pre-meds to come in this forum and bash those in pod school or interested in the career. It is the pre meds who bash on the DO's so much too even though they are equals to MD's. You would think they would be smarter. I used to have my heart and soul set on allopathic med school (when I was a college freshman) but I grew wiser, researched other fields, and think that podiatric medicine is a good fit for me. My girlfriend and some friends think its odd to be interested in being a podiatrist but I believe they, like most of the public, do not know enough about the profession. I explain to them what the field consists of nowadays and they are suprised. No one seems to equal podiatry with a doctor specialized in care of the foot and ankle, which includes surgery as well. My friends may assume I want to be a glorified pedicurist which is the problem with the marketing of the profession. Hopefully the new doctors coming out of the 2 and 3 year pod medicine & surgical residencies can change some of this. Thanks again guys.



I was in the same boat as you are. Committed Pre-med who wouldn't consider anything less than going to be the most successful MD out there. However, after being set back a couple years for horrible Verbal Reasoning scores on my MCAT, I had a chance to work with MD's and determine what I want out of life. I believe you are using good sense in considering the best fit for you. Believe me, the MD route is hardly the best fit for most people. The $$$ is great, but the hours suck. Personally, I would be happy only making about 100K even per year if: I had more time with my family, had more of an independent schedule, and could live with less stress overall in my life.

You have to keep in mind that a lot of Pre-med and Med students are only looking at how much they can succeed in one thing. While many don't realize the costs or responsibilities of such roles until they hit residency and understand what the rest of their years entail.

Good Luck with everything :thumbup:

Hi, for all of those who are during their rotations, in residency, or practicing (dpm grad i believe) I am wondering the amount of respect you receive from patients and other health care practioners? I am looking into the field of podiatry and it seems to be a really good area of medicine. I know the schools have somewhat lower admission standards when compared to MD or DO schools. Do other physicians or med students look down upon pods for this or any other reasons? Anyone faced discrimination? How about orthopedic surgeons or ones that have a foot and ankle fellowship? I'm sure it matters more of your ability to do work and the type of person you are.
I know the importance of pods (I went to one a lot for lacrosse and soccer injuries) but it seems like most of the public looks down on "foot doctors." I for one, did not realize that pods do a good amount of surgery and foot/ankle trauma without well researching the area. I think people assume pods just trim nails, debride clauses and the like. I am not trolling in any way but I'm curious to how you guys are treated and respected. My pod helped me so much in one visit and took away a TON of pain. I respect the profession and definitely looking into attending a pod college.

I've been spending the year rotating at major hospitals all over the nation. I and the docs I've been with have been treated with great respect. You will quickly realize that no one is capable of doing what we do. We are constantly being approached and consulted by other physicians. This is a great specialty!

Hi, for all of those who are during their rotations, in residency, or practicing (dpm grad i believe) I am wondering the amount of respect you receive from patients and other health care practioners? I am looking into the field of podiatry and it seems to be a really good area of medicine. I know the schools have somewhat lower admission standards when compared to MD or DO schools. Do other physicians or med students look down upon pods for this or any other reasons? Anyone faced discrimination? How about orthopedic surgeons or ones that have a foot and ankle fellowship? I'm sure it matters more of your ability to do work and the type of person you are.
I know the importance of pods (I went to one a lot for lacrosse and soccer injuries) but it seems like most of the public looks down on "foot doctors." I for one, did not realize that pods do a good amount of surgery and foot/ankle trauma without well researching the area. I think people assume pods just trim nails, debride clauses and the like. I am not trolling in any way but I'm curious to how you guys are treated and respected. My pod helped me so much in one visit and took away a TON of pain. I respect the profession and definitely looking into attending a pod college.

Throughout my clinical rotations as a student and as a resident, I have been treated with respect by most people. However, I have run into some of those individuals that are not familiar or misinformed about the Podiatry profession. After educating these people about the Podiatry profession, it is really nice to see how much more respect that they have for the Podiatry profession. Of course, there will always be some individuals that look down on Podiatry no matter what you do. So, I just don't get too hanged up on those individuals. By going into the Podiatry profession, I think that one need to realize that educating the public and other health care profession about the Podiatry profession is part of the job.

As for Orthopedic Surgeons, some will respect us and other will not respect us. I have been fortunate in that there is a good relationship between Podiatry and Orthopedic Surgery at my hospital. In some residency programs (such as Grant Medical Center in Columbus, OH, Mt Sinai Medical Center in New York, Swedish Medical Center in Seattle, and UPMC - Southside in Pittsburgh, PA), the Podiatry residents are also trained by Foot and Ankle Orthopedic Surgeons.

Food for thought:

You say "pods are trained by orthopedic surgeons"

How many times here have people said pods have more foot exposure and know F/As better than MD-orthos?

Why arent the pods training the MD orthos in feet?

Food for thought:

You say "pods are trained by orthopedic surgeons"

How many times here have people said pods have more foot exposure and know F/As better than MD-orthos?

Why arent the pods training the MD orthos in feet?

No one here is saying they know more foot and ankle than FA orthos. Those debates end up taking us in circles and yield nothing - they have great training and we have excellent training as well...We trust and rely on many excellent orthopoedic surgeons for our residency training, so its not a matter of who is better than the other...

According to the Journal of the Foot and Ankle surgery, some DPMs at residency programs do in fact train foot and ankle orthos. As a matter of fact, there was an article on this in the March/April issue of this year.

Food for thought:

You say "pods are trained by orthopedic surgeons"

How many times here have people said pods have more foot exposure and know F/As better than MD-orthos?

The training that DPMs get from Ortho surgeons further diversifies the DPM's residency training. The approach that a Foot and Ankle Orthopod takes for a particular issue may be different from a DPM.

Why arent the pods training the MD orthos in feet?

Actually, there are DPMs that are part of Ortho groups and are involved in teaching MD/DO orthos in the Ortho residency programs.

Judging from your last few postings, you seem to be rather bitter about the Podiatry profession. If this is the case, I recommend you to consider the MD/DO route instead.

why cant someone constructively look at a profession? i think that anyone who'd just dive right in without asking the penetrating questions is an idiot. podiatry school costs hundreds of thousands and takes years of your life. why not examine all aspects from A-Z. if you were going spend that kind of time and money on a house for example, you'd ask your realtor all sorts of questions now wouldnt you?

I just dont understand why there is an attitude like "if you like us, join us. if you ask any critically constructive questions that are valid, get out!"

Food for thought:

Why arent the pods training the MD orthos in feet?
Because the majority of ortho doesn't do feet at all. Instead, they leave it to the specialists, the DPM's.

Others disagree but I believe that, for various reasons, foot and ankle ortho is a dying breed. They are already a rarity.

.. if there was hundreds and hundreds of thousands per practitioner, you better believe that the mds would be all over it.

.. if there was hundreds and hundreds of thousands per practitioner, you better believe that the mds would be all over it.

Not following ya :confused:

why cant someone constructively look at a profession? i think that anyone who'd just dive right in without asking the penetrating questions is an idiot. podiatry school costs hundreds of thousands and takes years of your life. why not examine all aspects from A-Z. if you were going spend that kind of time and money on a house for example, you'd ask your realtor all sorts of questions now wouldnt you?

I just dont understand why there is an attitude like "if you like us, join us. if you ask any critically constructive questions that are valid, get out!"

At the same time, you have to realize that we know a lot more about the profession than you do. I think a lot of us are sick of having others ask questions, us giving perfectly reasonable and truthful answers, and then the person that asked the question (assumedly because they don't know the answer) disputing it!!!

got it.

got it.

brother! i support u 100%. Even i used to ask a lot of questions like this. ofcourse man, its a descion of a life time and v have to invest so much money in this. But there are two things which i did and after that all my questions were resolved. i wud recommend u also do so. it might be helpfull.

1) Shadow a DPM as soon as you can. And plzz dont shadow a DPM who has graduted 15yrs ago. there has been significant revolution in this field and u will be suprised when u will speak to a 1970 graduate and a 1998 graduate. They have different attitude and ofcourse different training. A new graduate may be able to answer all ur questions and u will get a first hand look of what kind of patients they see and how is the practice. If u have time and resources then shadow like 2-3 DPMs in different fields. I shadowed a DPM who used to work exclusively on Nursing homes and home visits- his views were totally different from the other pod whom i shadowed , he was working in Pod group practice and mainly in surgery related patients and their after surgey care management, while the other was solo practice. they all were very good people and may god bless them. but they all gave their different perspective on the same profession which helped me gather the answers to all my questions.

2) Before posting, just do a search on this forum. believe me nearly all the questions u ask or we ask, have already been asked and answered properly. So the regualr members can get tired seeing same questions asked all the time.

hope this helps.

Thanks for the replies (minus the nonchalant trolling by flypod). I'm sure that most of the people that bash pods don't know enough about the profession in the first place. Those who are in medicine may equate podiatry and its average low 20 MCAT scores with med school rejects. Probably many of us on here considered MD/DO (or Dental too) at one point because we didn't know other medical fields out there existed. That was the case with me and I realize how nieve I once was. I think I read on here a poll of Americans thought that pods are MD's with training of foot and ankle. The problem seems to lie with the marketing of the profession. Others may think pods are glorified pedicurists (sp). I think this adds to the low number of applicants and not the greatest GPA and test scores but I could be wrong. Explaining the profession to the uninformed seems key.

Also, I never thought pods did surgeries until looking on SDN and it definitely suprised me. I even went to pods for ingrown toenails a few times but it never crossed my mind.

However, it is an appealing field to me because it combines primary care, some surgery, derm, sports medicine, limb salvage etc. The variety seems great and you can work with many types of people. Is this one of the things that you guys in pod school or have graduated pod school like about the profession??? What are the things you like about podiatry and what are things that you do not like or not fond of? Thanks

Most people do respect pods from what I've seen. Orthos have beef from WHAT I HAVE SEEN. They see pods as inferior.

Most people do respect pods from what I've seen. Orthos have beef from WHAT I HAVE SEEN. They see pods as inferior.

Whoa, defending the pod profession! I truly have seen the light!:laugh:

Hey Flypod, stop wasting your time and ours on this forum. I wanted real answers from people who are students or graduated not people who have not even taken any pre-med classes. Thanks. Actually keep posting so you get banned and the we don't have to listen to your bs anymore.

why cant someone constructively look at a profession? i think that anyone who'd just dive right in without asking the penetrating questions is an idiot. podiatry school costs hundreds of thousands and takes years of your life. why not examine all aspects from A-Z. if you were going spend that kind of time and money on a house for example, you'd ask your realtor all sorts of questions now wouldnt you?

I just dont understand why there is an attitude like "if you like us, join us. if you ask any critically constructive questions that are valid, get out!"

Flypod,

This thread was started by someone asking a "penetrating question." If you reread the first post, you will notice how tactfully and sincerely the question was asked.

The past few posts I have read of yours (minus the one you just posted which seems to support podiatry) have asked questions in an insinuating and derogatory way. This is not the way to do it if you are sincere. Please, ask the questions which you need to ask but do so in a respectful way which does not offend those who frequent this forum.

You are asking for us to answer "penetrating questions" and to "constructively look at the profession" with you. We are willing to do that. Are you willing to be respectful of us and ask your questions and make your statements like JEWmongous did for this thread?

AZPOD Rocks

why cant someone constructively look at a profession? i think that anyone who'd just dive right in without asking the penetrating questions is an idiot. podiatry school costs hundreds of thousands and takes years of your life. why not examine all aspects from A-Z. if you were going spend that kind of time and money on a house for example, you'd ask your realtor all sorts of questions now wouldnt you?

I just dont understand why there is an attitude like "if you like us, join us. if you ask any critically constructive questions that are valid, get out!"

Seriously, look at your questions objectively. None and I repeat none, are really constructive but rather designed soley to put down the profession -- subjectively on your part. Now if you could honestly evaluate yourself you'd admit this. If you're this wild and undisciplined to ask questions yet react adversely when you don't get answers you WANT to hear, then how in the world will you deal with patients or adcomms asking you pointed questions?

You seem to be able to dish out insults but are faint of heart when someone challenges YOUR opinions. Now go ahead and answer: "Ok, buddy" or some other witty comeback you seem so adept at using.

Most people do respect pods from what I've seen. Orthos have beef from WHAT I HAVE SEEN. They see pods as inferior.

Same thing here. Respect or leave.

Just an FYI Dr. Grossman out of the St Vincent teaches the orthopods foot and ankle surgery. I wonder if the whisper "This guy is below us why are we here?"

Seriously, look at your questions objectively. None and I repeat none, are really constructive but rather designed soley to put down the profession -- subjectively on your part. Now if you could honestly evaluate yourself you'd admit this. If you're this wild and undisciplined to ask questions yet react adversely when you don't get answers you WANT to hear, then how in the world will you deal with patients or adcomms asking you pointed questions?

You seem to be able to dish out insults but are faint of heart when someone challenges YOUR opinions. Now go ahead and answer: "Ok, buddy" or some other witty comeback you seem so adept at using.

I think everyone should lay off flypod a little. As long as he doesnt try to pass off his opinions as fact (which he has done on a few occasions) there is nothing wrong with asking questions that confront some of the negative aspects of the profession. He just needs to repect the opinions of those who answer, thats all. DPMgrad does a nice job addressing his concerns with respect. We all should do the same.

I think everyone should lay off flypod a little. As long as he doesnt try to pass off his opinions as fact (which he has done on a few occasions) there is nothing wrong with asking questions that confront some of the negative aspects of the profession. He just needs to repect the opinions of those who answer, thats all. DPMgrad does a nice job addressing his concerns with respect. We all should do the same.

Iliza, put very well.:thumbup: I do agree I've been goaded myself into some stupid comments and replies, as per his goal.

I think everyone should lay off flypod a little. As long as he doesnt try to pass off his opinions as fact (which he has done on a few occasions) there is nothing wrong with asking questions that confront some of the negative aspects of the profession. He just needs to repect the opinions of those who answer, thats all. DPMgrad does a nice job addressing his concerns with respect. We all should do the same.

Just b/c you've got a lover from Phoenix doesn't mean that he is not trolling. I'm more than happy to answer his questions and debate issues, but I'm not going to play the "Is podiatry a good career? Your wrong pods are chancers and hate child and puppies" game.

Just b/c you've got a lover from Phoenix doesn't mean that he is not trolling. I'm more than happy to answer his questions and debate issues, but I'm not going to play the "Is podiatry a good career? Your wrong pods are chancers and hate child and puppies" game.

He's not a troll, ok? I know for a fact that he personally interviewed the thousands of pods that practice in Phoenix. He knows what he's talking about. :laugh:

He's not a troll, ok? I know for a fact that he personally interviewed the thousands of pods that practice in Phoenix. He knows what he's talking about. :laugh:

So, he may have a PhD in Shadowing. what difference does it make. On the ground the fact is he is acting weird. See here's the thing, either he shadowed the most unsuccesfull pods or he see Podiatrys from the eyes of an MD. i mean comparing MD and DPM in the same boat and expecting same practice scope. in all his posts he tries to compare us with MDs. hello! we are DPMs we have our own school. it is called as podiatric medicne school. So we ahve our own system. we do work with MDs very closely but we have our own system. I think this guy is not accepting this fact. he wants to view DPM in contast to MD and getting all this problems. Just look this as an independent profession. dont compare!

Not to play devil's advocate here but I have heard there has been movements multiple times over the years to have a DPM/MD or DPM/DO degree like the DDS/MD.

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Not to play devil's advocate here but I have heard there has been movements multiple times over the years to have a DPM/MD or DPM/DO degree like the DDS/MD.

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So whats your question?

Not to play devil's advocate here but I have heard there has been movements multiple times over the years to have a DPM/MD or DPM/DO degree like the DDS/MD.

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NOVA Southeastern in Florida (a DO school) actually has one. It will be a miserable failure because it is pretty much pointless.

Interesting because the DDS/MD degree for oral surgeons has been a fairly good sucess.

Interesting because the DDS/MD degree for oral surgeons has been a fairly good sucess.

the DDS/MD is mostly (not always) for maxilofascial surgeons which helps them with hospital privliges and some other stuff. the DPM alone gets hospital privliges so we do not need the MD.

And all those people that want to do their own H & Ps? Why? let medicine do it. I understand wanting to have the right just in case but usually especially with our high risk patients why not let medicine do the H & P for surgery?

the DDS/MD is mostly (not always) for maxilofascial surgeons which helps them with hospital privliges and some other stuff. the DPM alone gets hospital privliges so we do not need the MD.

And all those people that want to do their own H & Ps? Why? let medicine do it. I understand wanting to have the right just in case but usually especially with our high risk patients why not let medicine do the H & P for surgery?

Krab, I dont think that anyone will argue to let medicine do the H&Ps on high risk patients. Any medical specialty would do that. But it would be annoying to try to find someone to do the H&P on a perfectly healthy patient in for elective surgery. It would also save time for all parties involved.

Krab, I dont think that anyone will argue to let medicine do the H&Ps on high risk patients. Any medical specialty would do that. But it would be annoying to try to find someone to do the H&P on a perfectly healthy patient in for elective surgery. It would also save time for all parties involved.

Time and money, Ilizarob. I definately agree with you on that post!

Krab, I dont think that anyone will argue to let medicine do the H&Ps on high risk patients. Any medical specialty would do that. But it would be annoying to try to find someone to do the H&P on a perfectly healthy patient in for elective surgery. It would also save time for all parties involved.

I was in the understanding that we can do our own H&P's in certain instances. I mean thats why we learn how to do this in school right? We supposively do this to determine if the risks of surgery are too high with some patients.

Just a question for some experienced students or DPM grad(s):

How often do we use the knowledge of reading ECG's? I understand that we use these primarily for surgeries that involve general anesthetics, so wouldn't there be a CRNA or Anes-doc there to monitor this? Is there instances where we would independently be responsible to understand whats gonig on with a patients cardiovascular? Just Curious, I really enjoy and understand cardiophys and would like to know if I could ever use this knowledge in the future.

How about listening for heart murmurs or arrhythmia's with patients? Is this only done while doing a full H&P? I am sure that you DMU students would do much better at this having the full mock arrhythmia machine/patient. I was able to put on those computerized stethoscope's and listen while the interviewer mixed the rhythms up.

Interesting because the DDS/MD degree for oral surgeons has been a fairly good sucess.

You are right but that degree serves a purpose, as krabmas stated. It is also a widely accepted degree. There are two slots in the world right now for the DO/DPM degree. Here is the summary as I understand it:
- 4 years DPM program
- 3 years DO program (complex 1 and 2)
- 1 year DO internship (comlex 3)

Then you have a DO/DPM. Now, you either have to find a podiatric surgical residency that will take you after being out for 4 years or find a DO residency that will accept this DO/DPM degree (that they have probably never heard of) and let you do a residency in something else. And I have no idea where this degree stands on accredidation. Not to mention the fact that any degree (MD, DO, or DPM) qualifies you to do nothing except receive further training. In other words, just because you have a DO/DPM doesn't mean you could reconstruct a knee because you did not do an ortho residency. Just because you have a DO/DPM degree would not allow you to treat a rash on someones hand while in your podiatry office because you did not do a residency in FP or derm.

If I have mis-stated something, please let me know! It just doesn't make sense to me!

I was in the understanding that we can do our own H&P's in certain instances. I mean thats why we learn how to do this in school right? We supposively do this to determine if the risks of surgery are too high with some patients.
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It depends on the hospital. Some allow DPMs to admit patients while others dont.

You are right but that degree serves a purpose, as krabmas stated. It is also a widely accepted degree. There are two slots in the world right now for the DO/DPM degree. Here is the summary as I understand it:
- 4 years DPM program
- 3 years DO program (complex 1 and 2)
- 1 year DO internship (comlex 3)

Then you have a DO/DPM. Now, you either have to find a podiatric surgical residency that will take you after being out for 4 years or find a DO residency that will accept this DO/DPM degree (that they have probably never heard of) and let you do a residency in something else. And I have no idea where this degree stands on accredidation. Not to mention the fact that any degree (MD, DO, or DPM) qualifies you to do nothing except receive further training. In other words, just because you have a DO/DPM doesn't mean you could reconstruct a knee because you did not do an ortho residency. Just because you have a DO/DPM degree would not allow you to treat a rash on someones hand while in your podiatry office because you did not do a residency in FP or derm.

If I have mis-stated something, please let me know! It just doesn't make sense to me!


DO/DPM and MD/DPM are only good if someone wants to do primary podiatric care. after that it is just good for someone own knowledge. However, the individual can decide to pursue an MD or DO residency.

DO/DPM and MD/DPM are only good if someone wants to do primary podiatric care. after that it is just good for someone own knowledge. However, the individual can decide to pursue an MD or DO residency.

I do not think that the 4 years of med school or DO school will benifit the DPM. We have already had those 4 years or something comparably similar.

The benefit to getting the MD or DO would be the opening of the doors to MD and DO residencies. I can see this benifitting someone who wants to learn more internal medicine to further their general podiatric medicine knowledge. There are a few other areas where I can see this being beneficial such as plastic surgery and vascular surgery, pathology, oncology and maybe even peds. Almost any other specialty will put you into a different specialty as a practitioner and no longer a pod.

As a podiatrist you will have the option to become the podiatric specialist i what ever you choose (or not specialize at all). If you do choose to specialize it would be beneficial to learn as much as you can about that area. MD residencies and fellowships may be helpful in that area but not necessary. DPMs can already do MD foot and ankle fellowships in some places (not just abroad).

Agreed DPM/MD(DO) is too similar and why not just go become a foot and ankle orthopod.

Dental schools general have a similar approach but there are enough differences between the DDS and MD(DO) programs to justify the double degree. Also, not having a required post-grad training I feel helps push more DDS to the programs that and there are a 100 DDS students to every 1 pod (I made that stat up so don't quote/curse, it is just an estimate)

Agreed DPM/MD(DO) is too similar and why not just go become a foot and ankle orthopod.

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I agree, someone that would do that sounds like they are trying to back their way in.

A very expensive and stupid back door, but this is made for pods that wanted to be orthos put couldn't cut the mustard. (my opinion b/c I know that the DPM/DO at Barry is a pathologist)

Because the majority of ortho doesn't do feet at all. Instead, they leave it to the specialists, the DPM's.

Others disagree but I believe that, for various reasons, foot and ankle ortho is a dying breed. They are already a rarity.

If its dying, its a magnificent death because a DPM can't touch the offers a F&A orthopod is going to get.

I agree. Business wise why hire a F&A ortho when you have to pay him twice as much???

I agree. Business wise why hire a F&A ortho when you have to pay him twice as much???

Billing, Call, Marketing, Referrals lots of reasons. The proof is in the offers in my trash can and voicemail.

So your practice markets you instead of general marketing/referrals???

I will agree with call that is the biggest drawback for any ortho group. But that being said those pods that are in ortho groups get screwed b/c they are always on call.

I'm sure dpmgrad only had one offer and had to sleep under a bridge before that first paycheck. Come on dawg, most grads have numerous offers out of residency.

If its dying, its a magnificent death because a DPM can't touch the offers a F&A orthopod is going to get.

i don't think you can compare the F&A orthopod offer to a DPM's offer because they are two different specialties. Even if the employer is an orthopoedic group, the DPM's offer is always less for various reasons: mainly the fact that we can't take general calls, obviously less reimbursment per procedure, etc.

However, I have read that many F&A orthopod fellowships go unfilled, maybe you can explain this to me further - but generally the spine, knee, hip ones don't have that problem.

Billing, Call, Marketing, Referrals lots of reasons. The proof is in the offers in my trash can and voicemail.

Tell you what dawg, you accept the job for 450K, then Ill go into work everyday posing as you. You pay me 250K and the rest is yours. All you need to do is take all the general ortho call. :laugh:

i don't think you can compare the F&A orthopod offer to a DPM's offer because they are two different specialties. Even if the employer is an orthopoedic group, the DPM's offer is always less for various reasons: mainly the fact that we can't take general calls, obviously less reimbursment per procedure, etc.

However, I have read that many F&A orthopod fellowships go unfilled, maybe you can explain this to me further - but generally the spine, knee, hip ones don't have that problem.

I am eager to understand this also b/c there are 51 fellowship positions according to the American Orthopedic Surgeon site. I wonder how many are unfilled each year???

I am eager to understand this also b/c there are 51 fellowship positions according to the American Orthopedic Surgeon site. I wonder how many are unfilled each year???

Last I checked, there were around 50 programs with a total of around 80 slots. Every year, they will post the slots that go unfilled. Since I have been paying attention, usually about half go unfilled. Maybe DAWG could be more specific.

My mistake I was on the AOFAS site and didn't see the R-Z fellowship link at the bottom

i don't think you can compare the F&A orthopod offer to a DPM's offer because they are two different specialties. Even if the employer is an orthopoedic group, the DPM's offer is always less for various reasons: mainly the fact that we can't take general calls, obviously less reimbursment per procedure, etc.

However, I have read that many F&A orthopod fellowships go unfilled, maybe you can explain this to me further - but generally the spine, knee, hip ones don't have that problem.

I thought a DPM with a PM&S-36 could do the same, if not more with the foot than a F&A orthopod??? Don't the DPM's get trained to do all foot surgerys possible with the foot, plus know all ways to treat nails, diabetic ulcers, and biomechanic problems. What if the DPM did a foot and ankle fellowship after residency?

Thanks for your input:thumbup:

I thought a DPM with a PM&S-36 could do the same, if not more with the foot than a F&A orthopod??? Don't the DPM's get trained to do all foot surgerys possible with the foot, plus know all ways to treat nails, diabetic ulcers, and biomechanic problems. What if the DPM did a foot and ankle fellowship after residency?

Thanks for your input:thumbup:

It doesn't matter if the DPM does a foot and ankle fellowship after residency - we still can't take general ortho calls, but they can. The Foot and ankle Orthopod is not going to be intrested in treating nails - they'll refer this problem to someone else. He/she is an orthopedic surgeon first and foremost - and that is the fundamental difference between our specialties - we are foot and ankle physicians...they on the other hand, are trained to operate on the whole body, in addition to their specialization in foot and ankle.

Pods can and do fill F&A fellowships. Why? Increase in training and great for a CV if you want to get into a ortho group. But you don't get any other privileges and much of the training will be a repeat.

What do you mean "general ortho calls"?

It doesn't matter if the DPM does a foot and ankle fellowship after residency - we still can't take general ortho calls, but they can. The Foot and ankle Orthopod is not going to be intrested in treating nails - they'll refer this problem to someone else. He/she is an orthopedic surgeon first and foremost - and that is the fundamental difference between our specialties - we are foot and ankle physicians...they on the other hand, are trained to operate on the whole body, in addition to their specialization in foot and ankle.

Thank you I understand that. However, in terms of surgically treating the foot if needed, can a Podiatrist with a 3 year surgical residency do the same as an F&A orthopod? Say that there is no F&A orthopod in your area and you get the referral from another source. Or the patient prefers the DPM, because he or she is a complete foot specialist that can do more conservative follow-ups after the surgery. What do you mean by general call? Something not related to the foot right?

Fellowships go unfilled in all fields peds, spine, hand, totals. You name it. The main reason is not necessarily because a "field is dead". Its hard give up a half a million dollar job to slum it like a resident for another year. All orthopods have been at it for 9 years and sometimes an extra year isn't appealing if you've had great training.

So your practice markets you instead of general marketing/referrals???

I will agree with call that is the biggest drawback for any ortho group. But that being said those pods that are in ortho groups get screwed b/c they are always on call.

I'm sure dpmgrad only had one offer and had to sleep under a bridge before that first paycheck. Come on dawg, most grads have numerous offers out of residency.

Promoting that you are a fellowship trained orthopedic surgeon may not seem like a big deal on the podiatry page that we are on, but it certainly carries weight when you are talking to other orthopods or physicians.

I've sure dpmgrads get offers but do you really want to compare them?

Fellowships go unfilled in all fields peds, spine, hand, totals. You name it. The main reason is not necessarily because a "field is dead". Its hard give up a half a million dollar job to slum it like a resident for another year. All orthopods have been at it for 9 years and sometimes an extra year isn't appealing if you've had great training.

Is fellowships necessary for Orthopods to do foot and ankle surgeries comparable to DPM's with a forefoot, and rearfoot board certification? Has this changed in the past or will it be a factor in the future?

Promoting that you are a fellowship trained orthopedic surgeon may not seem like a big deal on the podiatry page that we are on, but it certainly carries weight when you are talking to other orthopods or physicians.

I've sure dpmgrads get offers but do you really want to compare them?

Let me get this right, the differences for DPM's board certified are:

Not being able to take general call
Not getting paid the same by medicare than an MD
Not having an MD or DO degree

Correct?

Why else would someone who is trained in a similar fashion, not be able to get as good of offers? Its not like Pods believe in a whole different method of medicine, like foot manipulation or something. However some do believe in cowbell.:laugh:

What do you mean "general ortho calls"?

Fly, in the pod mind there are two types of ortho surgeons. The F&A fellowship trained ortho (Dawg) and all the others. So when we talk about general ortho call it refers to anything other than the F&A.

Promoting that you are a fellowship trained orthopedic surgeon may not seem like a big deal on the podiatry page that we are on, but it certainly carries weight when you are talking to other orthopods or physicians.

I've sure dpmgrads get offers but do you really want to compare them?

"Fellowships go unfilled in all fields peds, spine, hand, totals. You name it. The main reason is not necessarily because a "field is dead". Its hard give up a half a million dollar job to slum it like a resident for another year. All orthopods have been at it for 9 years and sometimes an extra year isn't appealing if you've had great training."

these 2 quotes by dawg sort of contradict each other. I have heard that fellowships weigh a lot more in the MD world than in the pod world. this is changing but slowly. Most of the orthopods that I work with in JAX are going to do fellowships after residency.

some fellowships might also go unfilled because they are not accredited. It used to not matter to get board certified for ortho sub-specialties to do a certified fellowship but now it is starting to matter. So the un-accredited may go empty.

Let me get this right, the differences for DPM's board certified are:

Not being able to take general call
Not getting paid the same by medicare than an MD
Not having an MD or DO degree

Correct?

Why else would someone who is trained in a similar fashion, not be able to get as good of offers? Its not like Pods believe in a whole different method of medicine, like foot manipulation or something.

You have to realize that not taking other ortho cases (Hip, Knee) and getting paid less than ortho on some F&A surgeries (depending on state) can alter your income compared to an ortho. Orthos on average make more (dawg has made that clear on more than one occasion). But rightfully so. They spend about 3 more years in training not including fellowships. With that being said, it doesnt mean that you cannot make as much as an F&A ortho. A podiatric surgeon here in Des Moines works in an ortho group and makes as much as a F&A ortho. I think he actually just became partner in the group. He told us that he is the highest producer in the group. But that may be rare.

You have to realize that not taking other ortho cases (Hip, Knee) and getting paid less than ortho on some F&A surgeries (depending on state) can alter your income compared to an ortho. Orthos on average make more (dawg has made that clear on more than one occasion). But rightfully so. They spend about 3 more years in training not including fellowships. With that being said, it doesnt mean that you cannot make as much as an F&A ortho. A podiatric surgeon here in Des Moines works in an ortho group and makes as much as a F&A ortho. I think he actually just became partner in the group. He told us that he is the highest producer in the group. But that may be rare.

So lets get this straight, the only reason u mean a F & A ortho makes such a huge salary is bcoz he also works on other body parts apart from F & A right.

Suppose, F & A Orthoped Surgeon decides he will not attend any general calls or take any patients apart from Foot & Ankle cases, i guess he will make same as Podiatrist. Am i right?

And why is this discrimination. Why are our reimbursment rates lower than that of MDs. Any comment on that. And is it all over USA or its only in some states.

You have to realize that not taking other ortho cases (Hip, Knee) and getting paid less than ortho on some F&A surgeries (depending on state) can alter your income compared to an ortho. Orthos on average make more (dawg has made that clear on more than one occasion). But rightfully so. They spend about 3 more years in training not including fellowships. With that being said, it doesnt mean that you cannot make as much as an F&A ortho. A podiatric surgeon here in Des Moines works in an ortho group and makes as much as a F&A ortho. I think he actually just became partner in the group. He told us that he is the highest producer in the group. But that may be rare.

Thanks for your feedback.

I can understand in those terms why a DPM would make less. However, I don't want to go through all this education just to be making less than 100K, not having the freedom to enjoy being a specialist of the entire foot. Which, I believe is very important in an patients quality of life.

I am pretty much saying that I do not want to see the great field of Podiatry turn sour again like it did 15-20 years ago when people would go through this rigorous and rewarding education, and have their dreams smashed by not being able to do what they went to school for. Either a result from not getting a decent residency or having other MD's stomp on their turf just because they can make much more $$$ than a POD.

And why is this discrimination. Why are our reimbursment rates lower than that of MDs. Any comment on that. And is it all over USA or its only in some states.

I believe this to be an issue in legislation. However, I thought that PPAC had sent something to congress this year in regards to equal pay for DPM's.

Can someone else enlighten us on this issue???

I have not yet been able to access those secured files from the APMA.

I agree, someone that would do that sounds like they are trying to back their way in.

I don't quiet understand what you mean by back their way in. But, people do what make them feel more comfortable. if MD/DPM makes someone feels good then he/she should go for it. For my part, I think it is just a waste of time and money. however, people think differently and have the right to do what they like.
do you think DDS/MD is " back their way in " also?

Let me get this right, the differences for DPM's board certified are:

Not being able to take general call
Not getting paid the same by medicare than an MD
Not having an MD or DO degree

Correct?

Why else would someone who is trained in a similar fashion, not be able to get as good of offers? Its not like Pods believe in a whole different method of medicine, like foot manipulation or something. However some do believe in cowbell.:laugh:

Those already are huge differences doclm - Not having an MD/DO means we can't do a full orthopoedic residency (5 years for the whole body) therefore, we can't take general call - which means any other part on the body. Because, they can take general calls, they are reimbursed more. Those are facts that should not be undermined and are large enough to result in the large gaps between our salaries (starting offers at least).

Look, the DPM training is great - we get great education and excellent residency training. This is what I want to do and I love it. But you gotta accept that our specialties are different from one another. Yes a Foot and ankle orthopoedic surgeon will operate on the foot and ankle just like a podiatric surgeon would - but he can operate on other areas of the body as well, while we employ other aspects of our clinical skills i.e. wound management, diabetic ulcers, etc. For that reason, we can't really be compared because we're separate specialties/areas of medicine

So lets get this straight, the only reason u mean a F & A ortho makes such a huge salary is bcoz he also works on other body parts apart from F & A right.

Suppose, F & A Orthoped Surgeon decides he will not attend any general calls or take any patients apart from Foot & Ankle cases, i guess he will make same as Podiatrist. Am i right?

And why is this discrimination. Why are our reimbursment rates lower than that of MDs. Any comment on that. And is it all over USA or its only in some states.

No it won't make him as a podiatrist because a podiatrist does alot of primary care with wound care, nails, diabetic infections, etc.

Our reimbursment is lower because orthopoedic surgon as mentioned earlier, can take general calls.

Those already are huge differences doclm - Not having an MD/DO means we can't do a full orthopoedic residency (5 years for the whole body) therefore, we can't take general call - which means any other part on the body. Because, they can take general calls, they are reimbursed more. Those are facts that should not be undermined and are large enough to result in the large gaps between our salaries (starting offers at least).

Look, the DPM training is great - we get great education and excellent residency training. This is what I want to do and I love it. But you gotta accept that our specialties are different from one another. Yes a Foot and ankle orthopoedic surgeon will operate on the foot and ankle just like a podiatric surgeon would - but he can operate on other areas of the body as well, while we employ other aspects of our clinical skills i.e. wound management, diabetic ulcers, etc. For that reason, we can't really be compared because we're separate specialties/areas of medicine

Thank you, very well put. Other posts have minimized the call issue, but it is huge. Ask an administrator his biggest worry about orthopedics in his hospital and it is covering call. There is a reason more and more places are shelling out money for call, because there are lots of orthopods (mainly sports, hand and foot and ankle) that do 99% of their work at surgery centers and have courtesy only privileges for the occasional complication that can't be handled outpatient.

"Fellowships go unfilled in all fields peds, spine, hand, totals. You name it. The main reason is not necessarily because a "field is dead". Its hard give up a half a million dollar job to slum it like a resident for another year. All orthopods have been at it for 9 years and sometimes an extra year isn't appealing if you've had great training."

these 2 quotes by dawg sort of contradict each other. I have heard that fellowships weigh a lot more in the MD world than in the pod world. this is changing but slowly. Most of the orthopods that I work with in JAX are going to do fellowships after residency.

some fellowships might also go unfilled because they are not accredited. It used to not matter to get board certified for ortho sub-specialties to do a certified fellowship but now it is starting to matter. So the un-accredited may go empty.
One of the biggest issue on why orthopods do a fellowship as well is obviously what type of practice they want to do and where. It is a marketing tool no doubt about it. You don't need a fellowship to do a carpal tunnel, rod a femur, do an arthroscopic RC repair or perform a bunion correction if your training was good and you feel comfortable. There are programs that may not give alot of autonomy or have the volume that a graduate would think that a fellowship is a good idea.

As far as accredited fellowships go, right now in hand in it absolutely matters you can't take the CAQ otherwise. It will become that way in Sports once the sports CAQ goes into effect. The other fields not so much, maybe in the future but nothing appears imminent at this point.

I agree that the call thing is a huge factor in the salary gap as well as reimbursment but....


I think some of the other reason for that salary gap goes back to podiatry eating its young. This used to be the case and sometimes still is. The ortho groups know that they can hire a pod for just a little more than what the pod would get from a fellow older pod. And that older pod might make the new employee go cut nails at the nursing home.

If the new pod can get a job for a little more money and no nursing homes, the orthos do not need to offer so much money.

just like pods in the military if the pods would hold out the military would offer more laon repayment and orthos would offer more money if they had trouble finding pods to take what they already offer.

Is fellowships necessary for Orthopods to do foot and ankle surgeries comparable to DPM's with a forefoot, and rearfoot board certification? Has this changed in the past or will it be a factor in the future?

No, not if they had a good experience in their residency and feel comfortable. An orthopod can operate anywhere they are allowed to by the hospital privileges they apply for.

I agree that the call thing is a huge factor in the salary gap as well as reimbursment but....


I think some of the other reason for that salary gap goes back to podiatry eating its young. This used to be the case and sometimes still is. The ortho groups know that they can hire a pod for just a little more than what the pod would get from a fellow older pod. And that older pod might make the new employee go cut nails at the nursing home.

If the new pod can get a job for a little more money and no nursing homes, the orthos do not need to offer so much money.

just like pods in the military if the pods would hold out the military would offer more laon repayment and orthos would offer more money if they had trouble finding pods to take what they already offer.

I know a few ortho groups that have DPMs in the group, but none of them are partners or if they are partners they are limited. You alluded to the reason, they don't have to. Why would the orthopods in the group split their ancillary revenue if they don't have to. Illizarob made a point about the guy in Des Moines. Maybe that's rare, maybe it will become the norm to become a full partner. Who knows? I haven't seen it in my limited experience, but I'm sure it happens.

I know a few ortho groups that have DPMs in the group, but none of them are partners or if they are partners they are limited. You alluded to the reason, they don't have to. Why would the orthopods in the group split their ancillary revenue if they don't have to. Illizarob made a point about the guy in Des Moines. Maybe that's rare, maybe it will become the norm to become a full partner. Who knows? I haven't seen it in my limited experience, but I'm sure it happens.
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No, not if they had a good experience in their residency and feel comfortable. An orthopod can operate anywhere they are allowed to by the hospital privileges they apply for.

Thanks for your feedback. :thumbup:

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May be this is out of context, but isnt the present day average salary of pod around 150-160K. ofcourse as most of u like to say, Provided u r a good business man and graduate from a good residency.

I mean thats a very good salary considering the amount of work we put in. I mean common, Orthopedics spend so much more time than us in studying, and getting in a orthopedic residency is no joke, its not IM or FM residency, where any idiot foreign MD or a regualr US medical school student can get in with low USMLE scores. i heard u gotta get some real good USMLE scores and other activities to get in a Orthopedic Residency and think abt the malpractice insurance and the risk which they take on themselves when doing these surgeries.

Our career is very light, easy going job wise and no tension of any big law-suit pondering over head. I dont know but i think (iam not even a pod student, so im no expert) but something around $150K-160K is a very good salary , its equal to that of a general practioner or a IM or FM. ofcourse if we are good business minded and luck is with us then i guess we can make more money.

Iam not trying to compare salaries or say we make more than a FM or orthopeds make more than us. but at the end of the day its abt satisfaction. are u satisfied with ur salary as compared to the job u did. And i think Podiatry salaray is very satisfying.

May be this is out of context, but isnt the present day average salary of pod around 150-160K. ofcourse as most of u like to say, Provided u r a good business man and graduate from a good residency.

I mean thats a very good salary considering the amount of work we put in. I mean common, Orthopedics spend so much more time than us in studying, and getting in a orthopedic residency is no joke, its not IM or FM residency, where any idiot foreign MD or a regualr US medical school student can get in with low USMLE scores. i heard u gotta get some real good USMLE scores and other activities to get in a Orthopedic Residency and think abt the malpractice insurance and the risk which they take on themselves when doing these surgeries.

Our career is very light, easy going job wise and no tension of any big law-suit pondering over head. I dont know but i think (iam not even a pod student, so im no expert) but something around $150K-160K is a very good salary , its equal to that of a general practioner or a IM or FM. ofcourse if we are good business minded and luck is with us then i guess we can make more money.

Iam not trying to compare salaries or say we make more than a FM or orthopeds make more than us. but at the end of the day its abt satisfaction. are u satisfied with ur salary as compared to the job u did. And i think Podiatry salaray is very satisfying.


I don't know where you're getting this, but no "idiot" can be a FM or an IM. Internal med docs are probably the best people to work with because of their knowledge in medicine, and I happen to know more than a few excellent ones and I can tell you with full assurance they are no "idiots".

Our career is very light, easy going job wise and no tension of any big law-suit pondering over head. I dont know but i think (iam not even a pod student, so im no expert) but something around $150K-160K is a very good salary , its equal to that of a general practioner or a IM or FM. ofcourse if we are good business minded and luck is with us then i guess we can make more money.

Sounds like some old marketing propaganda from the schools. Work 40 hours a week, be a doctor, no call, do surgery, ect ..

Salary from my research says 40-60K to start and after 5-10 years $90K. The US Bureau of Labor Statistics says pods make $94K on average. The Health Guide also reports average earnings of $94,400 annually.

I think that to state the career is "easy going job wise and no tension of any big law suit pondering over hear" is a very irresponsible statement. You, as a medical practitioner, will always have the risk of lawsuits. If you decide to work a light load or keep it "easy going" I can guarantee you half the earnings of the average podiatrist and a very high chance of failure as a pod financially. It will take 80-100 hours a week of hard work to be sucessful (in any business).

I am no pod but I can say I think you may be a little misinformed if those are your immediate conceptions of podiatry.

I don't know where you're getting this, but no "idiot" can be a FM or an IM. Internal med docs are probably the best people to work with because of their knowledge in medicine, and I happen to know more than a few excellent ones and I can tell you with full assurance they are no "idiots".

Man u never read my posts properly. i said "no idiot Foreign MD " not idiot IM or FM. why wud i call FM or IM idiot. the reason i call Foreign MD idiot is bcoz there are many foreign MDs atleast whom i know who went to some medical school in India or Pakisan paying $40000/year without any MCAT, without any Interviews, nothing. i mean they just paid the money and they were blindly accepted. and after they come back they join FM or IM residency bcoz thats the most easiest to get in with low USMLE scores. Man i cant even describe how stupid and foolish they are. plzz note, im not saying all Foreign MDs. iam referring to only those who are stupid by nature as well score low USMLE scores and apply to FM or IM just bcoz they have low score requiremnets.

Just as many say on this forum, not all represent any speciality. Some foreign MDs are idiots. iam an asian indian myself. so iam no racist iam just saying what i saw. but its true. every speciality has some bad apples. may be u never encountered any but there are a lot of idiots out there just as there are many unsuccesfull pods out there. now do u wanna assure me all pods out there are very good and superior bcoz u never saw any bad pod. its not like that. i never said idiot MDs. i said there are some foreign Mds who apply to IM or FM residency are idiots.

I wud never call any medical speciality idiot or insult it.

Sounds like some old marketing propaganda from the schools. Work 40 hours a week, be a doctor, no call, do surgery, ect ..

Salary from my research says 40-60K to start and after 5-10 years $90K. The US Bureau of Labor Statistics says pods make $94K on average. The Health Guide also reports average earnings of $94,400 annually.

I think that to state the career is "easy going job wise and no tension of any big law suit pondering over hear" is a very irresponsible statement. You, as a medical practitioner, will always have the risk of lawsuits. If you decide to work a light load or keep it "easy going" I can guarantee you half the earnings of the average podiatrist and a very high chance of failure as a pod financially. It will take 80-100 hours a week of hard work to be sucessful (in any business).

I am no pod but I can say I think you may be a little misinformed if those are your immediate conceptions of podiatry.


Dude i didnt wanted to argue with u, but cudnt resist. ofocourse our job is easy going. Now what, did u heard any table death on a podiatrist table. Did u heard any patient going blind after a surgery performed from a podiatrist, did u heard anyone losing mental balance after treatment from a Podiatrist.

There are many specialities in Medicine. Some are easy going while some are real serious. the job of anesthisiologist is very tough compared to that of a Geniticist. Now u wanna compare them. The job of a cardiologist is very risky. anytime he does a surgery there is a good amount of chance that the patient can die also. A neurosurgeon has to worry what if he removes other part by mistake . now dont freakin argue why this will happen, there are tons of cases where by mistake the Neurosurgeon performed operation on the wrong part of brain resulting in mental imbalance or memory loss or blindness in patients. now do u know what kind of law suits loom over these kind of people. There any many risks involved in surgery cases . im not saying every surgeon has lawsuits or does mistakes . but theres always fear what if u go wrong. tats why they spend several years after medical school perfecting their skills and knowledge so that they do screw up in real life. tats why their fees and rates are also very high. A cardio surgeon makes nearly $500000 above anually. Man we pods dont have that type of fears. we are cool!

We as Podiatrists are not in any risky business. we dont deal any death related or extra harmful ailments. we just refer them when we see any systemic involvement. did u heard anyone dying of complications arising due to surgery of ingrown toe-nail or anyone dying during rearfoot surgery due to some internal haemorage. i like podiatry bcoz of this. its a very good easy going health profession. if i wanted something more i cud have applied to MD. if a pod is within his scope of podiatrist i hardly wonder he will be in any kind of serious trouble. ofcourse we may also get a lawsuit but its not gonna be as serious.

And regarding 90k, atleast in chicago the Pods whom i shadow make nearly 200k and others whom i spoke also say they make around $150k. So i wudnt be arguing with u on that.

Dude i didnt wanted to argue with u, but cudnt resist. ofocourse our job is easy going. Now what, did u heard any table death on a podiatrist table. Did u heard any patient going blind after a surgery performed from a podiatrist, did u heard anyone losing mental balance after treatment from a Podiatrist.

There are many specialities in Medicine. Some are easy going while some are real serious. the job of anesthisiologist is very tough compared to that of a Geniticist. Now u wanna compare them. The job of a cardiologist is very risky. anytime he does a surgery there is a good amount of chance that the patient can die also. A neurosurgeon has to worry what if he removes other part by mistake . now dont freakin argue why this will happen, there are tons of cases where by mistake the Neurosurgeon performed operation on the wrong part of brain resulting in mental imbalance or memory loss or blindness in patients. now do u know what kind of law suits loom over these kind of people. There any many risks involved in surgery cases . im not saying every surgeon has lawsuits or does mistakes . but theres always fear what if u go wrong. tats why they spend years after medical school perfecting their skills and knowledge so that they do screw up in real life. Man we pods dont have that type of fears. we are cool!
We as Podiatrists are not in any risky business. we dont deal any death related or extra harmful ailments. we just refer them when we see any systemic involvement. did u heard anyone dying of complications arising due to surgery of ingrown toe-nail. i like podiatry bcoz of this. its a very good easy going health profession. if i wanted something more i cud have applied to MD. ofcourse we may also get a lawsuit but its not gonna be as serious. And regarding 90k, atleast in chicago the Pods whom i shadow make nearly 200k and others whom i spoke also say they make around $150k. So i wudnt be arguing with u on that.

There is no such thing as a minor surgery my friend. You think podiatry has no complications? Think again. There have been thousand of claims against pods doing surgery. If you dont have "that type of fear" you are a complacent doctor (or will be) and are asking to get your azz sued. Systemic invlovments are usually chronic whereas life threating issues associated with podiatric surgery are acute and present a more rapid onset. Infection, embolisms, thrombosis, MRSA, and other nasty things will get you. I suggest you read about the risks of surgery before you spout off about what you have no clue about.

As for the earnings, ask the schools and read the studies/surveys. They all depict the AVERAGE around $90-100K.

I am sorry, but this has to be the most idiotic post I've ever read.

Man u never read my posts properly. i said "no idiot Foreign MD " not idiot IM or FM. why wud i call FM or IM idiot. the reason i call Foreign MD idiot is bcoz there are many foreign MDs atleast whom i know who went to some medical school in India or Pakisan paying $40000/year without any MCAT, without any Interviews, nothing. i mean they just paid the money and they were blindly accepted. and after they come back they join FM or IM residency bcoz thats the most easiest to get in with low USMLE scores.

I wud never call any medical speciality idiot or insult it. man! plzz do read my posts carefully.

No I wasnt mistaken - I know you were referring to foreign MD's and I don't get or appreciate teh "idiot" label either. Its not only ignorant to post something like that on a professional forum but extremely disrespectful

Sounds like some old marketing propaganda from the schools. Work 40 hours a week, be a doctor, no call, do surgery, ect ..

Salary from my research says 40-60K to start and after 5-10 years $90K. The US Bureau of Labor Statistics says pods make $94K on average. The Health Guide also reports average earnings of $94,400 annually.

I think that to state the career is "easy going job wise and no tension of any big law suit pondering over hear" is a very irresponsible statement. You, as a medical practitioner, will always have the risk of lawsuits. If you decide to work a light load or keep it "easy going" I can guarantee you half the earnings of the average podiatrist and a very high chance of failure as a pod financially. It will take 80-100 hours a week of hard work to be sucessful (in any business).

I am no pod but I can say I think you may be a little misinformed if those are your immediate conceptions of podiatry.

As I have been traveling the nation this year visiting PM&S-36 residency programs, offers to residents starting are anywhere from 100k to 150k base salary. Offers to residents who are going into private practice are less of a base (50-75k) but with greater incentives (which should easily put them over 100k their 1st year). This is done in private practice because, until you build up a patient base, you are a greater risk to your partners.

A lot of salary reports for pod med (including the US Bureau of Labor Stats) are very skewed because they include part time pods, residents, and of course, their is a huge discrepancy in training. For instance, the city that I am now rotating in has around 40 practicing pods. However, only 8 have their forefoot and rearfoot surgical board certification. There was a pretty accurate salary survey done by the young members and JAPMA published last year. I posted it somewhere on here. I'll try and find it.

No I wasnt mistaken - I know you were referring to foreign MD's and I don't get or appreciate teh "idiot" label either. Its not only ignorant to post something like that on a professional forum but extremely disrespectful

No Sir, if they are stupid then i wudnt hesitae to call them a stupid. iam not calling all foreign MDs stupid. Iam calling only those who are stupid as stupids. Just bcoz u never encountered any doenst mean all are good. Sorry, i wud never agree on that.

There is no such thing as a minor surgery my friend. You think podiatry has no complications? Think again. There have been thousand of claims against pods doing surgery. If you dont have "that type of fear" you are a complacent doctor (or will be) and are asking to get your azz sued. Systemic invlovments are usually chronic whereas life threating issues associated with podiatric surgery are acute and present a more rapid onset. Infection, embolisms, thrombosis, MRSA, and other nasty things will get you. I suggest you read about the risks of surgery before you spout off about what you have no clue about.

As for the earnings, ask the schools and read the studies/surveys. They all depict the AVERAGE around $90-100K.

I am sorry, but this has to be the most idiotic post I've ever read.

Jeez man! What kind a stupid person are u. did u really did any shadowing or u r faking here. There are minor surgeries and major surgeries. who said u there isnt any thing called as Minor Surgery. And i never said there arent any complaications with podiatric surgeries. i said there arent any major like the ones encountered by Cardios or Neuros,etc. ofcourse every surgery can have complications. Open ur eyes wide and read what others post. dont just type anything or bold the words that u want others to read. may be u shud try a career in law school. People of ur calibre will do very good in law school. i like ur arguing style and persistance.

and just u heard is 90k doesnt mean it is 90k. as i said earlier iam not even gonna give u the luxury and comfort of arguing with me on this. so no more comments.

Come on now people! Let's quit with all of the name calling and keep it professional. It would be a shame to have to close the thread.

Come on now people! Let's quit with all of the name calling and keep it professional. It would be a shame to have to close the thread.

iam sorry for my behavior. i appologize. i will make sure i dont use name calling and will keep things professional. Sorry Boss!

Sounds like some old marketing propaganda from the schools. Work 40 hours a week, be a doctor, no call, do surgery, ect ..

Salary from my research says 40-60K to start and after 5-10 years $90K. The US Bureau of Labor Statistics says pods make $94K on average. The Health Guide also reports average earnings of $94,400 annually.

I think that to state the career is "easy going job wise and no tension of any big law suit pondering over hear" is a very irresponsible statement. You, as a medical practitioner, will always have the risk of lawsuits. If you decide to work a light load or keep it "easy going" I can guarantee you half the earnings of the average podiatrist and a very high chance of failure as a pod financially. It will take 80-100 hours a week of hard work to be sucessful (in any business).

I am no pod but I can say I think you may be a little misinformed if those are your immediate conceptions of podiatry.

Are you joking or what?
DPM's make much higher than $40-60k starting. I made that working as a lab tech before entering school, with an hourly wage on average of $25 per hour. If a DPM cannot do more worth than $25 per hour, somethings wrong here. They must be seeing only 1 patient per day working 3 days a week or something. Also, it will not take 80-100 hours per week to be successful. I personally dont consider any doctor that works 80-100 hours per week to be a successful doctor whom will be seeing any of my patients. Doctors in hospitals by law cannot work more than 80 hours per week for a reason. I get your drift about working hard to get somewhere however the lifestyle and more $$$ in Podiatry is true. I am sorry you are so misinformed.

Man u never read my posts properly. i said "no idiot Foreign MD " not idiot IM or FM. why wud i call FM or IM idiot. the reason i call Foreign MD idiot is bcoz there are many foreign MDs atleast whom i know who went to some medical school in India or Pakisan paying $40000/year without any MCAT, without any Interviews, nothing. i mean they just paid the money and they were blindly accepted. and after they come back they join FM or IM residency bcoz thats the most easiest to get in with low USMLE scores. Man i cant even describe how stupid and foolish they are. plzz note, im not saying all Foreign MDs. iam referring to only those who are stupid by nature as well score low USMLE scores and apply to FM or IM just bcoz they have low score requiremnets.

Just as many say on this forum, not all represent any speciality. Some foreign MDs are idiots. iam an asian indian myself. so iam no racist iam just saying what i saw. but its true. every speciality has some bad apples. may be u never encountered any but there are a lot of idiots out there just as there are many unsuccesfull pods out there. now do u wanna assure me all pods out there are very good and superior bcoz u never saw any bad pod. its not like that. i never said idiot MDs. i said there are some foreign Mds who apply to IM or FM residency are idiots.

I wud never call any medical speciality idiot or insult it.

That is paying $40,000 per year if they couldn't initially get in. However, most that get in without $$$ incentives don't owe anything for medical school. I have seen my share of stupid foreign and stupid american doctors. Its a fact that all doctors are not created equally.

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Yea flypod told me how much more difficult flying a plane was over being a podiatrist...yet he quotes Napoleon Dynamite. What a loser!

If you think you can't be sued check this site out.
www.footlaw.com

Yea flypod told me how much more difficult flying a plane was over being a podiatrist...yet he quotes Napoleon Dynamite. What a loser!

I hope he is joking. Flying isn't hard, it just takes practice and some skill. Geez, I earned my basic license at 16 and by the time I was 30 I had a 737-200 type rating. I am sure medicine is much harder.

If you think you can't be sued check this site out.
www.footlaw.com

I never said we pods cant be sued. ofcourse we can be sued. why cant u people read the posts properly.

i said we cant have that many big suits or at huge risks as a cardio or Neuro surgeons are. may be we also have big suits but comparing our profesional risks to the professional risks of someone who does heart transplants or brain surgery is not fair. Agree or not, not a very large majority of Podiatrists perform Rearfoot or midfoot surgeries which are considered major surgeries. but still a lot of podiatrists perform fore-foot surgery only as their bread & butter. Its not something u cud start comparing to the professions where there is a matter of life and death.

Its not that, we are inferior or they are superior. its different specialities. Some specialties have tougher responsibities while some are not that tough. you gotta understand, iam not insulting Podiatry or exaggerating some other field. BASE LINE: YES ALL PROFESSIONS CAN BE SUED.

I hope he is joking. Flying isn't hard, it just takes practice and some skill. Geez, I earned my basic license at 16 and by the time I was 30 I had a 737-200 type rating. I am sure medicine is much harder.

Ha ha ha!! Type ratings. What a joke that was. My type ride was easier than my private pilot. Try your ATP rating or your CFI, CFII, MEI ratings and tell me how easy they are. Try dealing with a stabilator oscillation at FL390 (39,000). Try shooting an approach in actual with half your FMS inoperative. Try a 0/0 ILS.

You earned your private pilot at 16 huh? Well, the minimum age is 17 so you are obviously a liar. So, what ratings do you hold?

I currently hold my -

CRJ200/700/900 Type, ATP rating, CFI, CFII, MEI, AGI, CSEL.

I never said we pods cant be sued. ofcourse we can be sued. why cant u people read the posts properly.

i said we cant have that many big suits or at huge risks as a cardio or Neuro surgeons are. may be we also have big suits but comparing our profesional risks to the professional risks of someone who does heart transplants or brain surgery is not fair. Agree or not, not a very large majority of Podiatrists perform Rearfoot or midfoot surgeries which are considered major surgeries. but still a lot of podiatrists perform fore-foot surgery only as their bread & butter. Its not something u cud start comparing to the professions where there is a matter of life and death.

Its not that, we are inferior or they are superior. its different specialities. Some specialties have tougher responsibities while some are not that tough. you gotta understand, iam not insulting Podiatry or exaggerating some other field. BASE LINE: YES ALL PROFESSIONS CAN BE SUED.

please be careful of what you post or say on here. I know you have shaddowed and think you know lots about pod medicine but you will be amazed at how much your views will change in the few years of school.

all the schools (most) promote the profession as an easier form of medicine. For those that take it seriously it is not easier.
pods can and do get sued. it doesn't matter if you get sued for taking out the wrong side of a brain or having a bad outcome for a bunion. sued is sued. A pod cannot be sued for taking out the wrong side of a brain. instead they would go to jail for battary/ assult or murder. (for all that are unaware - operating that causes death but is out of scope is considered murder. it can happen to MDs too. )

until you have gone thru 4 years of school, 3 years of residency and been in practice for at least 2 years, please do not promote this profession as an easier side to medicine. it is not.

Thanks flypod and "cool"-vkb for adding your intelligent comments to the thread.

Those already are huge differences doclm - Not having an MD/DO means we can't do a full orthopoedic residency (5 years for the whole body) therefore, we can't take general call - which means any other part on the body. Because, they can take general calls, they are reimbursed more. Those are facts that should not be undermined and are large enough to result in the large gaps between our salaries (starting offers at least).

Look, the DPM training is great - we get great education and excellent residency training. This is what I want to do and I love it. But you gotta accept that our specialties are different from one another. Yes a Foot and ankle orthopoedic surgeon will operate on the foot and ankle just like a podiatric surgeon would - but he can operate on other areas of the body as well, while we employ other aspects of our clinical skills i.e. wound management, diabetic ulcers, etc. For that reason, we can't really be compared because we're separate specialties/areas of medicine


I agree except when we do the same exact surgical procedure we should be paid the same. I don't think that having having the extra training should hold up in this case.

Oncogene

A pod cannot be sued for taking out the wrong side of a brain. instead they would go to jail for battary/ assult or murder. (for all that are unaware - operating that causes death but is out of scope is considered murder. it can happen to MDs too. )

until you have gone thru 4 years of school, 3 years of residency and been in practice for at least 2 years, please do not promote this profession as an easier side to medicine. it is not.

Iam sorry but wat exactly r u trying to say. A pod doing brain surgery:confused: and going to jail . plzz read my posts once again and comment on them. i never said anything like that. u r just making up this by urself. A pod doing brain surgery:laugh: . i heard pods sometime straying in IM or FM or even general surgery but never did i heard Brain Surgery. thats outrageously funny. leave aside law suit, tat kind of pod shud be shot on the street. i was referring to neurosurgeons doing mistakes in brain surgery. why on the earth will i even give that example of a pod doing something out of his scope:laugh: . i was giving examples how bad can professional negligence(within the scope of practice) can occur and how badly that might affect th life of the patient.

and may u cud agree a majority of pod's negligence (within his scope) are not life threatning ones when compared to professional negligence done by a cardio or neurosurgeon which cud even cost the life of the patient.

Ha ha ha!! Type ratings. What a joke that was. My type ride was easier than my private pilot. Try your ATP rating or your CFI, CFII, MEI ratings and tell me how easy they are. Try dealing with a stabilator oscillation at FL390 (39,000). Try shooting an approach in actual with half your FMS inoperative. Try a 0/0 ILS.

You earned your private pilot at 16 huh? Well, the minimum age is 17 so you are obviously a liar. So, what ratings do you hold?

I currently hold my -

CRJ200/700/900 Type, ATP rating, CFI, CFII, MEI, AGI, CSEL.

Whatever you say pal. If I have a 737-200 rating, then I must have an ATP, right? Do you wanna compare airline service? I flew for eagle, air south and PAA 1. That dates me a bit. How about twin turbo time? I actually thought the MEI was a piece of cake and the CFII, too. Conversion to turbine was the hardest. But as you claim I am a liar.

Uh huh. If you have a 737 type, that means jack. And in case you dont know aviation very well, you can hold a 737 type with a private pilot certificate. You dont need to hold an ATP to hold any type rating.

Dont dig yourself a hole.

Uh huh. If you have a 737 type, that means jack. And in case you dont know aviation very well, you can hold a 737 type with a private pilot certificate. You dont need to hold an ATP to hold any type rating.

Dont dig yourself a hole.

right, junior. my type rating means squat. ive been flying for longer than you were able to drive. so how can you get a 737 type with just a private? how do you expect to fly in ifr or above fl180? no sh-t you dont need an atp for a type but try line flying w/o it. do u want to go toe to toe with me junior? lets hear your airline service and i dont mean a crj rating that you paid for at riddle.

I agree except when we do the same exact surgical procedure we should be paid the same. I don't think that having having the extra training should hold up in this case.

Oncogene

Don't hold your breath. Insurance companies aren't begging to dole out more in reimbursement. I'd put this crusade right up there with O.J finding the real killers.

right, junior. my type rating means squat. ive been flying for longer than you were able to drive. so how can you get a 737 type with just a private? how do you expect to fly in ifr or above fl180? no sh-t you dont need an atp for a type but try line flying w/o it. do u want to go toe to toe with me junior? lets hear your airline service and i dont mean a crj rating that you paid for at riddle.

Acutally my airline paid for it. Anyone with a private pilot certificate and an instrument rating can fly anove FL180. FOs fly the line without a PIC type rating. Toe to toe? Ha ha!! Get real.

My airline experience (you asked for it!)

BS Aeronautical Engineering, UC Davis
US Naval Flight School, Pensacola, FL
US Navy Flight Assignment, T 38 instructor
Ameriflight - Single pilot IFR, BE99
Skywest Airlines - Senior Captain CRJ 700

Total time 6953
Turbine (ME/SE) 5865
Insturment 561
Military 1763

Care for anything else old timer?

still with a commuter? let me know if you get to a legacy. old timer? i think almost 10 years with pan am is something special. cant match that yet, jr. ah, a good ol' p-ssing contest. it's fun though. why are you giving it up for medicine?

Acutally my airline paid for it. Anyone with a private pilot certificate and an instrument rating can fly anove FL180. FOs fly the line without a PIC type rating. Toe to toe? Ha ha!! Get real.

My airline experience (you asked for it!)

BS Aeronautical Engineering, UC Davis
US Naval Flight School, Pensacola, FL
US Navy Flight Assignment, T 38 instructor
Ameriflight - Single pilot IFR, BE99
Skywest Airlines - Senior Captain CRJ 700

Total time 6953
Turbine (ME/SE) 5865
Insturment 561
Military 1763

Care for anything else old timer?

Flypod,

I wonder where your aggressive online personality is going to fit into a healthcare practice? Do you think this doesn't carry over into other areas of your life?

How will you be successful when all day long you are working with others and behave as you have over the short time you have been posting on SDN. Nearly everything you say is derogatory or contentious. For your own good and for the good of those you will work with, please learn to control yourself a little better... or choose something else.

From many of your posts, it shows that you have the potential for intellectual endeavors, but this combined with an aggressive/contentious way of being will not bear the fruits you seek.

Remember, you are addressing students with whom you have expressed a desire to work. However, we now know enough about you that a few words to the admissions committees about your poor attitude might reduce your chances for admissions into this profession. THEN... you would really have something to gripe about. :laugh:

As things stand, unless you have a serious change of heart, I don't intend to have you as one of my classmates and will make sure your online behaviour is brought to the attention of the right people at AZPOD.

Straighten up or ship out.

AZPOD

As things stand, unless you have a serious change of heart, I don't intend to have you as one of my classmates and will make sure your online behaviour is brought to the attention of the right people at AZPOD.

Straighten up or ship out.

AZPOD

AZPOD, I am just addressing what has been challenged or asked of me. A difference of opinion is looked at as agressive? No disrespect, but you have no idea who I am. Dont try to tell me that you're going to make sure I dont get into AZPOD. Thats actually pretty funny. I'll make sure you're never a passenger on my aircraft :)

Flypod,

I wonder where your aggressive online personality is going to fit into a healthcare practice? Do you think this doesn't carry over into other areas of your life?

How will you be successful when all day long you are working with others and behave as you have over the short time you have been posting on SDN. Nearly everything you say is derogatory or contentious. For your own good and for the good of those you will work with, please learn to control yourself a little better... or choose something else.

From many of your posts, it shows that you have the potential for intellectual endeavors, but this combined with an aggressive/contentious way of being will not bear the fruits you seek.

Remember, you are addressing students with whom you have expressed a desire to work. However, we now know enough about you that a few words to the admissions committees about your poor attitude might reduce your chances for admissions into this profession. THEN... you would really have something to gripe about. :laugh:

As things stand, unless you have a serious change of heart, I don't intend to have you as one of my classmates and will make sure your online behaviour is brought to the attention of the right people at AZPOD.

Straighten up or ship out.

AZPOD

Flypod may be suffering from dipression related syndrome. these type of peope are very different in their normal life. they are completely opposite to their online personality. u can also call dual personality. they have this anger building up in their normal lives which they cant take out. so they see for an alternate way. many people take their anger out by playing aggresive video games, shouting like cattle in baseball or football games, some do boxing and some great people come to a forum and take out there anger by wirting posts:laugh:

and if u have observed, no one else in this forums, reminds other people of their authority and expertise then him. In every thread he makes sure he mentions "You dont who iam?" , "you dont know abt my experience", or " what do i know, i just fly planes". this is called as self admiration and imposing authority on others by showing he is the best. by doing this the subject experesses himself in a way which he cudnt have done in real life. it can be 100% that flypod doesnt even fly planes. he has just visited some forums and learnt abt it.

No offense flypod but Sir if u really have this much great experience in flying and veteran status why r u even wasting ur precious time among youngsters like us and arguing abt something that has no such concern to u. iam sure u must be around mid ages now (based on ur invaluable flying experience) and someone of ur calibre must be very succesfull and rich and happy. why this attitude sir? its like u just ask a question and then happily gives the answer by urself but in the way u ignite so many debates. It looks like as if u just want to start a heated debate where u cud post ur views and lighten the burden on ur heart.

Oh! You must have learned about psychiatry in "podiatric medical shool" right? After all, it is medical school.

Oh! You must have learned about psychiatry in "podiatric medical shool" right? After all, it is medical school.

Actually, this is the one rotation that we don't typically undergo - so his psychiatric analysis is solely his own knowledge - we got nothing to do with this :D .

Otherwise, I just wanted to say that it would be great if we can maintain a level of respect and conduct on this forum from all the members participating. This is a forum to exchange ideas and thoughts - not to bash and vent.

thank you all :)

iam going for 3 days vaccation, so no bashing from my side. thank u and sorry!

Actually, this is the one rotation that we don't typically undergo - so his psychiatric analysis is solely his own knowledge - we got nothing to do with this :D .

Otherwise, I just wanted to say that it would be great if we can maintain a level of respect and conduct on this forum from all the members participating. This is a forum to exchange ideas and thoughts - not to bash and vent.

thank you all :)
Well said Podman.

Iam sorry but wat exactly r u trying to say. A pod doing brain surgery:confused: and going to jail . plzz read my posts once again and comment on them. i never said anything like that. u r just making up this by urself. A pod doing brain surgery:laugh: . i heard pods sometime straying in IM or FM or even general surgery but never did i heard Brain Surgery. thats outrageously funny. leave aside law suit, tat kind of pod shud be shot on the street. i was referring to neurosurgeons doing mistakes in brain surgery. why on the earth will i even give that example of a pod doing something out of his scope:laugh: . i was giving examples how bad can professional negligence(within the scope of practice) can occur and how badly that might affect th life of the patient.

and may u cud agree a majority of pod's negligence (within his scope) are not life threatning ones when compared to professional negligence done by a cardio or neurosurgeon which cud even cost the life of the patient.

calm down, I am not flypod. I wasn't saying that you said all that. but pods can make life altering changes good or bad to the patient.

Acutally my airline paid for it. Anyone with a private pilot certificate and an instrument rating can fly anove FL180. FOs fly the line without a PIC type rating. Toe to toe? Ha ha!! Get real.

My airline experience (you asked for it!)

BS Aeronautical Engineering, UC Davis
US Naval Flight School, Pensacola, FL
US Navy Flight Assignment, T 38 instructor
Ameriflight - Single pilot IFR, BE99
Skywest Airlines - Senior Captain CRJ 700

Total time 6953
Turbine (ME/SE) 5865
Insturment 561
Military 1763

Care for anything else old timer?

I thought you said you didn't make much as a pilot??? If you have this much flight experience than you must be lying.

Sounds like some old marketing propaganda from the schools. Work 40 hours a week, be a doctor, no call, do surgery, ect ..

Salary from my research says 40-60K to start and after 5-10 years $90K. The US Bureau of Labor Statistics says pods make $94K on average. The Health Guide also reports average earnings of $94,400 annually.

I think that to state the career is "easy going job wise and no tension of any big law suit pondering over hear" is a very irresponsible statement. You, as a medical practitioner, will always have the risk of lawsuits. If you decide to work a light load or keep it "easy going" I can guarantee you half the earnings of the average podiatrist and a very high chance of failure as a pod financially. It will take 80-100 hours a week of hard work to be sucessful (in any business).

I am no pod but I can say I think you may be a little misinformed if those are your immediate conceptions of podiatry.

Yes, flypod, our goal is to increase the number of licensed pods so that we make less money. We are hoping to flood the nation w/ pods and our marketing scheme is to tell everyone that pods make about 200K a year. It is genius!

Come on now people! Let's quit with all of the name calling and keep it professional. It would be a shame to have to close the thread.

i love this, you haven't had that power for 24 hours and you are ready to use it. :laugh:

AZPOD, I am just addressing what has been challenged or asked of me. A difference of opinion is looked at as agressive? No disrespect, but you have no idea who I am. Dont try to tell me that you're going to make sure I dont get into AZPOD. Thats actually pretty funny. I'll make sure you're never a passenger on my aircraft :)

Flypod,

Most of us on here have disagreed with others' opinions but most have also done so without personal attacks and blatant disrespect for others.

No offense taken. You are correct in that I don't know exactly who you are but it is not hard to point out to certain AZPOD faculty that there is a "difficult" person applying who flies airplanes, was in the military, and who has credit hours coming from SCC, and who probably lives somewhere near, if not in, Scottsdale, and who is around 30 years old or more. I could even share a list of disrespectful postings.

I don't share these things to put you on the defensive but, right now, I don't want someone who acts the way you have been acting at my school as one of my collegues. Its very simple... if you say to yourself, "This is the way I am in real life," then please don't apply. If you say to yourself, "Because of the anonymity online communications afford, I HAVE been acting pretty rude and maybe I could act a LITTLE more respectful of others," then please apply.

We are a close-knit group at AZPOD (small student population) and the concerns of one student who already gets along with everyone else goes a long way. I don't care if you disagree with opinions, but when you resort to personal attacks and behave in a tactless manner, just realize this is going to influence the opportunities you create for yourself.

AZPOD Rocks

i love this, you haven't had that power for 24 hours and you are ready to use it. :laugh:

You know what I just realized? You joined SDN just one month before me, but you have posted about 8 posts to my every 1 post. Wow!!!:)

But my posts are typically 8 times longer... lol

AZPOD Rocks

I thought you said you didn't make much as a pilot??? If you have this much flight experience than you must be lying.

I dont. Still under six figures. Experience doesnt matter when you leave the military or flight school and then work at an airline. You are assigned a seniority number and work from the ground up. I have 747 captains flying as first year first officers due to 9/11. You think these guys are worth 18/hr? Probably not. They should be teaching most the captains to fly but due to the seniority list, they're at the bottom of the pot.

Check out airlinepilotcentral.com for the pay scales. Just remember that we're paid on a monthly guarantee not a 9 hour day or 40 hours a week.

We're off topic again.

We're off topic again.

This thread has not been on topic for awhile.

The DMU clinic gets tons of respect from patients. One of their favorite patients even brings wonderful snacks everytime he comes (although sometimes they are quite outdated). Yum, Yum!!!

The DMU clinic gets tons of respect from patients. One of their favorite patients even brings wonderful snacks everytime he comes (although sometimes they are quite outdated). Yum, Yum!!!

You mean sugar ray?

You mean sugar ray?

:D

Thanks for responding to my question for those who kept on topic! So overall, a majority of the pods receive respect from patients and other health care providers. How does the respect lie between pods and orthopedic surgeons, particularly the ones with a foot and ankle fellowship? Thanks

Thanks for responding to my question for those who kept on topic! So overall, a majority of the pods receive respect from patients and other health care providers. How does the respect lie between pods and orthopedic surgeons, particularly the ones with a foot and ankle fellowship? Thanks

I've seen a pediatric orthopedic surgeon roll his eyes in disgust when someone mentioned podiatrist and surgery in the same sentence. I've also heard a surgical technician say that podiatrists are not real doctors. Those were the only two experiences I have encountered between medical staff and pods (indirectly). However, I am sure there is tons of positive examples people have experienced first hand.

Jays2cool4u :cool:

I've seen a pediatric orthopedic surgeon roll his eyes in disgust when someone mentioned podiatrist and surgery in the same sentence. I've also heard a surgical technician say that podiatrists are not real doctors. Those were the only two experiences I have encountered between medical sta