I've heard that Scholl podiatry students are treated like second class citizens- ie have to wait for other medical students to finish with cadavers before they get to use them. Anyone want to comment on this?

hey did flypod get banned and is now reincarnated?

that would be sweet to have med students dissect and then just study, in my opinion

hey did flypod get banned and is now reincarnated?

The timing of analyzethis to flypod to jpod was lockstep. Plus, the patterns seem to resemble each other: an initial benign post in "new member" like "hello, I'm a pod applicant..." followed by a couple of credibility posts like "do pods do a brachial pulse during a full body eval?" and then a torrent of hateful posts "disguised" as innocent questions.
Some of my favorites: ...saying he worked with "Young" in Salt Lake City, Utah (Young is a pretty safe surname for a fib about Utah) ...claiming to fly jets when the timing of his posts reflects someone whose whole day (for weeks at a time) is punctuated by internet presence ...pointed questions about certain schools intended to draw certain people out ...feigning ignorance and then responding with expertise not more than a couple of hours later ...echoing sentiments from months past (like, I heard blah blah about such and such school) while having been a member for maybe a day or so ...and going from new applicant to scholarship recipient overnight ...the new recent gender transition (how elusive!)

How many jet pilots loiter (with over 10 posts in 2 days) in the podiatry forum? Lying about your life in a bar might get you sex if you do it right; lying about your life in a podiatry forum just gets you a laminated ID badge that says "Insecure Tool With Personality Disorder." I actually hope this knob thinks through their pitch before trying it on next time...and tries to make it a little more interesting (maybe an avatar or something). I can't wait to see...

The timing of analyzethis to flypod to jpod was lockstep. Plus, the patterns seem to resemble each other: an initial benign post in "new member" like "hello, I'm a pod applicant..." followed by a couple of credibility posts like "do pods do a brachial pulse during a full body eval?" and then a torrent of hateful posts "disguised" as innocent questions.
Some of my favorites: ...saying he worked with "Young" in Salt Lake City, Utah (Young is a pretty safe surname for a fib about Utah) ...claiming to fly jets when the timing of his posts reflects someone whose whole day (for weeks at a time) is punctuated by internet presence ...pointed questions about certain schools intended to draw certain people out ...feigning ignorance and then responding with expertise not more than a couple of hours later ...echoing sentiments from months past (like, I heard blah blah about such and such school) while having been a member for maybe a day or so ...and going from new applicant to scholarship recipient overnight ...the new recent gender transition (how elusive!)

How many jet pilots loiter (with over 10 posts in 2 days) in the podiatry forum? Lying about your life in a bar might get you sex if you do it right; lying about your life in a podiatry forum just gets you a laminated ID badge that says "Insecure Tool With Personality Disorder." I actually hope this knob thinks through their pitch before trying it on next time...and tries to make it a little more interesting (maybe an avatar or something). I can't wait to see...


Dr. Gregg Young is the residency director at the VA first off. I did not get banned. Commercial pilots get 8-12 days off a month typically. Whoever the guy that started this thread is, its not me. The moderators should have zero problem seeing that with their web log. Any more questions?

I've heard that Scholl podiatry students are treated like second class citizens- ie have to wait for other medical students to finish with cadavers before they get to use them. Anyone want to comment on this?

I think scholl students share cadavers with MD students - so they all get dissection time? I know a couple of third years at scholl and they never mentioned anything about "second class citizen" treatments of that sort. So I'm inclined to call this a "myth". However, you'd be better off by confirming with our scholl members on this forum - doclm, and molly2010dpm

I've heard that Scholl podiatry students are treated like second class citizens- ie have to wait for other medical students to finish with cadavers before they get to use them. Anyone want to comment on this?

welcome to the party my friend:laugh: :thumbup: , osteodoc is here, flypod is here and u were only missing. welcome!

I've heard that Scholl podiatry students are treated like second class citizens- ie have to wait for other medical students to finish with cadavers before they get to use them. Anyone want to comment on this?

When I interviewed there, they showed us the anatomy lab. There are 6 people to each cadaver. Each cadaver will have medical students, pod students, or the health science students. (all 6 are from same school). Again, this is based off what they told us at the interview. So no, pods dissect their own, not after the med students. You're at the table right next to them.

I wasn't meaning to be critical, I wanted to hear what people had to say because I'd heard this and wanted to know if it was a complete lie or if it had some basis. I am a new student applying to schools and am trying to make the best decision I can on where to go. Every school I have visited loves to bash the other and it is difficult to make an objective decision. I didn't realize there was so much hostility on this forum or I wouldn't have asked for your advice.

I wasn't meaning to be critical, I wanted to hear what people had to say because I'd heard this and wanted to know if it was a complete lie or if it had some basis. I am a new student applying to schools and am trying to make the best decision I can on where to go. Every school I have visited loves to bash the other and it is difficult to make an objective decision. I didn't realize there was so much hostility on this forum or I wouldn't have asked for your advice.

Hey Jpod, I am sorry if you received that vibe from the other members here. I want you to know that your inquiries are more than welcome because this is a big investment for your future. Regarding your original post, I have a few friends from Scholl and they tell me that they get treated very well at the school. Remember, this is a professional facculty and eventually when we are "out there", we will have to function with other MD's, DO's, PharmD's, etc. for the benefit of patients - because ultimately this is why we chose our paths - to be health providers and care givers right?

Thanks podman. I appreciate your helpfulness!

I wasn't meaning to be critical, I wanted to hear what people had to say because I'd heard this and wanted to know if it was a complete lie or if it had some basis. I am a new student applying to schools and am trying to make the best decision I can on where to go. Every school I have visited loves to bash the other and it is difficult to make an objective decision. I didn't realize there was so much hostility on this forum or I wouldn't have asked for your advice.

Welcome to the forum jpod and good luck with your decision. I do have some friends at Scholl and know some residents who attended Scholl and they all speak very fondly of the program.

Of course, it isn't quite as cool as DMU:)

I wasn't meaning to be critical, I wanted to hear what people had to say because I'd heard this and wanted to know if it was a complete lie or if it had some basis. I am a new student applying to schools and am trying to make the best decision I can on where to go. Every school I have visited loves to bash the other and it is difficult to make an objective decision. I didn't realize there was so much hostility on this forum or I wouldn't have asked for your advice.

Hey. Totally sorry if you think I was being critical. I was just telling you what I've heard from the interview. Sorry if the schools are bashing each other. At my interview at Scholl, my interviewer spoke highly of some of other programs, he didnt put any done, and neither did the other students. It is all who you talk to I believe. But like whats been said on SDN many times, its what makes you feel comfortable is what counts. Good Luck!:luck:

I've heard that Scholl podiatry students are treated like second class citizens- ie have to wait for other medical students to finish with cadavers before they get to use them. Anyone want to comment on this?

Ok, I'm a first year Scholl student that is currently taking the anatomy course with lab component. So here is how the dissection breaks down. The health science students take the course in the summer (PA's, Pt's, Path assistants, and some others). In the fall/winter the Pods take the same class as the Medical students. We have the same lecture, same tests, and just as good of grades if not sometimes better. In the lab there are 6 people to a cadaver. They usually don't put med students with pod students. In my dissection group there is 6 Pod students. There are two dissection labs a week, so these 6 students are broken into groups of 3 (an A group and a B group). The A group dissects on Mondays and the B group dissects on Wednesdays. It is a rolling dissection, so the two groups dissect different parts of the body. On Wednesday the A group shows up for 15-30min to go over what was dissected on Monday, and then the B group takes off from there. The dissection lab is 50% of our grade for the anatomy course, and there are two lab exams. Once again, the Pod students and the Medical students are mixed together. No one is treated as a second class citizen. I have many medical school friends. Remeber, Scholl is an excellant Podiatric Medical School and our classes are just as hard and almost identical to our medical school counter parts.

I've heard that Scholl podiatry students are treated like second class citizens- ie have to wait for other medical students to finish with cadavers before they get to use them. Anyone want to comment on this?

No,

Thats not the case at all. First of all, at Scholl you get a lot of respect from other programs being a Podiatry student. Podiatry students get their own cadavers and dissect side by side with MD's. A group of 6 DPM students per cadaver and a group of 6 MD students per cadaver, at the same time. Besides the Anatomy lab, we are in the same lecture hall with the MD students and take the same exact tests. Actually some of the top gunners in the class (like myself ;) ) are DPM students. At RFU you will have different doctors come in weekly, besides your profs and do clinical lectures in Anatomy. We are treated as an equal in being taught and being tested.

Also RFU has interprofessional teams that you have to meet with an assigned group with MD, DPM, PA, and DPT students to learn about how everyone benefits including patients from having a interprofessional healthcare team. Weekly, you will discuss how to do evidence based medicine, read research articles, improve the quality of health care, and analysis of treating a single patient with a group of health professionals. This class in itself gained a lot of respect towards Podiatry from the M1's.

As a Scholl student you will be taking the Histology and Physiology with the Pathology Assistant students.

The Biochemistry is not taught with the M1's because of different schedules. You have a PhD who teaches the Rush Medical students, come to Scholl to teach Biochemistry.

The M1's and P1's go through the same process to learn how to take the H&P with simulated patients that have years of experience. The M1's then learn clinical diagnosis with the P2's. So, you are definitly not viewed as inferior by the MD students, (as far as I know).

Please reply back with any questions regarding to Scholl.

Good Luck :thumbup:

Ok, I'm a first year Scholl student that is currently taking the anatomy course with lab component. So here is how the dissection breaks down. The health science students take the course in the summer (PA's, Pt's, Path assistants, and some others). In the fall/winter the Pods take the same class as the Medical students. We have the same lecture, same tests, and just as good of grades if not sometimes better. In the lab there are 6 people to a cadaver. They usually don't put med students with pod students. In my dissection group there is 6 Pod students. There are two dissection labs a week, so these 6 students are broken into groups of 3 (an A group and a B group). The A group dissects on Mondays and the B group dissects on Wednesdays. It is a rolling dissection, so the two groups dissect different parts of the body. On Wednesday the A group shows up for 15-30min to go over what was dissected on Monday, and then the B group takes off from there. The dissection lab is 50% of our grade for the anatomy course, and there are two lab exams. Once again, the Pod students and the Medical students are mixed together. No one is treated as a second class citizen. I have many medical school friends. Remeber, Scholl is an excellant Podiatric Medical School and our classes are just as hard and almost identical to our medical school counter parts.

Hey Molly,

How about that Physiology lab write-up? Let me know what I shall do, and it will be done. :D

Scholl Rocks!

Thanks guys!!!:)

molldoll2010dpm or doclm, I'm going to Scholl next year. I got the curriculum sheet which says which classes you take. Can you break it down by days? Molldoll mentioned the M/W anatomy lab breakdown. But the lectures, which days/times are they. I know these times may change by next year, but I'm just curious how your days go and how many times a week a class meets and stuff like that.
Thanks!

molldoll2010dpm or doclm, I'm going to Scholl next year. I got the curriculum sheet which says which classes you take. Can you break it down by days? Molldoll mentioned the M/W anatomy lab breakdown. But the lectures, which days/times are they. I know these times may change by next year, but I'm just curious how your days go and how many times a week a class meets and stuff like that.
Thanks!

Truthfully funfeet, our schedule is completely random. There are some weeks we don't even have anatomy lab. The best way I can help you it to direct you to our online Schedule http://www.rosalindfranklin.edu/scpm/ click on the 1st year schedule and it has the schedule for the whole year. Unfortuately we don't have set class times, so you always have to check your e-mail and schedule for updates. I love it here though, and it's nice not to always have to follow a routine.

Hey Molly,

How about that Physiology lab write-up? Let me know what I shall do, and it will be done. :D

Luke,

Are you finished with your part? Because if you are you can send it to me. I haven't gotten anything from the rest of the group yet, I know everyone is busy. when you and Danielle are done with your part I will add it to the stuff I have finished.

Luke,

Are you finished with your part? Because if you are you can send it to me. I haven't gotten anything from the rest of the group yet, I know everyone is busy. when you and Danielle are done with your part I will add it to the stuff I have finished.

We are not done yet. Danielle and I need to still get the data from rest of the group. I will try to get that organized Tuesday, because its looks like the longest day we will have in a while. How's Biochem studying going?

Anyway, enough procrastination for me... I am going to hit the books again.

We are not done yet. Danielle and I need to still get the data from rest of the group. I will try to get that organized Tuesday, because its looks like the longest day we will have in a while. How's Biochem studying going?

Anyway, enough procrastination for me... I am going to hit the books again.

biochem all day long.............

Friends, you are all right. I'm just taking a break from studying for my Advanced Surgery midterm on Fri. and I needed a good reminisant laugh/flashback from my 1st year. I'm a 3rd year now and yes we took Anatomy with the MD students and Pharm, Histo and Physio with the PA's. My class actually had a higher avg. in Anatomy 1st year than the MD students(They were pretty pissed about that). Jpod, don't worry about getting treated like 2cd rate. At Rosalind Franklin U., Scholl students rule the school and get the utmost respect. I was accepted into MD/DO schools, but there's not a day that goes by that I'm not thankful for choosing DPM over MD, especially at such a top-notch school like Scholl. Our education and name will get you far!

Friends, you are all right. I'm just taking a break from studying for my Advanced Surgery midterm on Fri. and I needed a good reminisant laugh/flashback from my 1st year. I'm a 3rd year now and yes we took Anatomy with the MD students and Pharm, Histo and Physio with the PA's. My class actually had a higher avg. in Anatomy 1st year than the MD students(They were pretty pissed about that). Jpod, don't worry about getting treated like 2cd rate. At Rosalind Franklin U., Scholl students rule the school and get the utmost respect. I was accepted into MD/DO schools, but there's not a day that goes by that I'm not thankful for choosing DPM over MD, especially at such a top-notch school like Scholl. Our education and name will get you far!

Scholl 2010 hopes to mimic the 2008's in Anatomy grades. :)

I was curious as to the amount of time outside of school that you guys put in to study? I know it will vary from person to person, but if you guys wouldn't mind telling me on average how much you think you study per day, I'd really appreciate it. I'm trying to figure out how much I'll see my kids once in school. Thanks!

I was curious as to the amount of time outside of school that you guys put in to study? I know it will vary from person to person, but if you guys wouldn't mind telling me on average how much you think you study per day, I'd really appreciate it. I'm trying to figure out how much I'll see my kids once in school. Thanks!

Study times vary on what classes you have that day. I usually put in about 6-8 hours a day. I don't really study on weekends though. Some people don't study as much during the week and put a lot of time in on the weekends. On test weeks I put in at least 40 hours. There is time for an outside life. As long as you budget your time accordingly you will do just fine.

Thanks. I appreciate the reply. I have another question. Is the online schedule pretty true. As in, if it says that Anatomy lab ends at 3, how often are you there longer than 3? And if it is the B group's day to dissect, then does that mean that the A team only sticks around to educate the B team on the previous day's dissection or do they stay for the entire lab period?

OH, and not related to this topic...what is malpractive insurance like for a pod? And is IL one of the highest states, like with other medical areas?

Thanks again!

Thanks. I appreciate the reply. I have another question. Is the online schedule pretty true. As in, if it says that Anatomy lab ends at 3, how often are you there longer than 3? And if it is the B group's day to dissect, then does that mean that the A team only sticks around to educate the B team on the previous day's dissection or do they stay for the entire lab period?

OH, and not related to this topic...what is malpractive insurance like for a pod? And is IL one of the highest states, like with other medical areas?

Thanks again!

I will up front admit I haven't looked into malpractice insurance yet. I know Pods in general have lower malpractice.

The Schedule is true. We were supposed to have Physiology lab today from 1-4 and my group got out at 3ish (we hustled). In anatomy, I'm in the A group and I only go to the B group day to teach. You will find that more than three people dissecting at a time is a bit much. When there is a schedule change the Professors always send out e-mails and post it on our D2L site. It is also changed on our master schedule on the Scholl home page. You don't have labs every week or everday. There is no one set class time. For the majority of the time lectures are in the morning and labs are in the afternoon.

We are not done yet. Danielle and I need to still get the data from rest of the group. I will try to get that organized Tuesday, because its looks like the longest day we will have in a while. How's Biochem studying going?

Anyway, enough procrastination for me... I am going to hit the books again.

How is biochem? do u also have a lab? and do u guys take this class with some other majors.

How is biochem? do u also have a lab? and do u guys take this class with some other majors.

Kinda going off that. I plan on attending Scholl next year. I've taken biochem and micro already, anatomy now, and plan on taking physio next semester. Is there another class that I would really benefit taking? And which are the 'harder' classes your first/second year? That way if my undergrad offers them, i'll take them now to help me out a bit.

Thanks!

Kinda going off that. I plan on attending Scholl next year. I've taken biochem and micro already, anatomy now, and plan on taking physio next semester. Is there another class that I would really benefit taking? And which are the 'harder' classes your first/second year? That way if my undergrad offers them, i'll take them now to help me out a bit.

Thanks!

A statistics course if you haven't already taken one. We take Fundamentals of Podiatric Research, it's not really hard but its nice to have had a statistics course already. You've taken a lot of the courses we have this year. If you can take histology and neuroscience you will be even more prepared.

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I would like to add...

having working in the cadaver lab over the summer (moving in new bodies, cleaning out old ones) the Scholl students are BETTER OFF than the Chicago Medical Students.

This is factual and not opinion. CMS gets their bodies from the Chicago Anatomical Gift Association. The bodies are known to be poorer quality and are usually geriatric or homeless. Scholl has a stricter policy in ordering bodies. When bodies are purchased that do not meet their expectations (crappy bodies), they donate them to CMS.

So wait i dont get this, even though we take same anatomy course, different schools buy different bodies:laugh: . I mean CMS gets it bodies and Scholl buys it owns bodies. wow tats interesting.why is like tat? and the anatomy lab that was shown to us by the Pod students. Does it solely belongs to Pod students (seeing the size i doubt all 260 wud fit in) or is shared by both med and pod students.

Apart from anatomy courses, is there anyother course where u dissect the body or have any use of cadavers. just my curious.

I would like to add...

having working in the cadaver lab over the summer (moving in new bodies, cleaning out old ones) the Scholl students are BETTER OFF than the Chicago Medical Students.

This is factual and not opinion. CMS gets their bodies from the Chicago Anatomical Gift Association. The bodies are known to be poorer quality and are usually geriatric or homeless. Scholl has a stricter policy in ordering bodies. When bodies are purchased that do not meet their expectations (crappy bodies), they donate them to CMS.

by far, one of the most asinine statements i have ever heard on this forum. I took this anatomy class over two years ago and did not notice a difference in the "quality" of the cadavers that you are referring to.

how can you have the audacity to call bodies that were donated for your educational benefit, "crappy"?

by far, one of the most asinine statements i have ever heard on this forum. I took this anatomy class over two years ago and did not notice a difference in the "quality" of the cadavers that you are referring to.

how can you have the audacity to call bodies that were donated for your educational benefit, "crappy"?

I'm a soon to be Scholl student. But that is kind of rude to call someone's body "crappy". I'm in anatomy now at my undergrad and the professor grinds in to us how we should respect the body at all times. There is no use of bad language allowed in lab or even wearing baseball caps. This is just due to the respect of the body that was donated for our benefit. How would you like it if it was a family member and someone called their body "crappy"? just a thought, I dont want to start some war, but maybe next time consider the words you are using.

I'm a soon to be Scholl student. But that is kind of rude to call someone's body "crappy". I'm in anatomy now at my undergrad and the professor grinds in to us how we should respect the body at all times. There is no use of bad language allowed in lab or even wearing baseball caps. This is just due to the respect of the body that was donated for our benefit. How would you like it if it was a family member and someone called their body "crappy"? just a thought, I dont want to start some war, but maybe next time consider the words you are using.

your undergrad professor is absolutely right.

I'm a soon to be Scholl student. But that is kind of rude to call someone's body "crappy". I'm in anatomy now at my undergrad and the professor grinds in to us how we should respect the body at all times. There is no use of bad language allowed in lab or even wearing baseball caps. This is just due to the respect of the body that was donated for our benefit. How would you like it if it was a family member and someone called their body "crappy"? just a thought, I dont want to start some war, but maybe next time consider the words you are using.

Agreed. That is why I'm not a big supporter of Scholl giving tours of the lab. You wouldn't give a tour of a funeral home during a funeral.

That is why I'm not a big supporter of Scholl giving tours of the lab. You wouldn't give a tour of a funeral home during a funeral.

jeez man! i wonder why u r so against scholl. They give tour of lab bcoz they have some state of art facilities.they just dont show us their anatomy lab. they show us different labs like gait lab, orthotics lab, anatomy lab ,etc. anatomy lab is just a part of their tour. and their anatomy lab really has some cool facilities. atleast in our tour, they never showed us the cadavers. the cadavers were inside these steel boxes . so there was no chance we cud see them. They just showed us their computer systems (i dont know exactly how to describe those systems-perhaps molldoll or doclm cud describe u more exactly) but they were indeed really gr8. but man they never show us dead bodies.

And speaking abt touring labs and college. atleast me, i wanna see everything of school bfore i make my descion. what if i join a school without even seeing their labs and later find out they have some really messed up labs. its better to take a tour and get a rough idea what r we gonna be in for the next 4 yrs.

jeez man! i wonder why u r so against scholl. They give tour of lab bcoz they have some state of art facilities.they just dont show us their anatomy lab. they show us different labs like gait lab, orthotics lab, anatomy lab ,etc. anatomy lab is just a part of their tour. and their anatomy lab really has some cool facilities. atleast in our tour, they never showed us the cadavers. the cadavers were inside these steel boxes . so there was no chance we cud see them. They just showed us their computer systems (i dont know exactly how to describe those systems-perhaps molldoll or doclm cud describe u more exactly) but they were indeed really gr8. but man they never show us dead bodies.

And speaking abt touring labs and college. atleast me, i wanna see everything of school bfore i make my descion. what if i join a school without even seeing their labs and later find out they have some really messed up labs. its better to take a tour and get a rough idea what r we gonna be in for the next 4 yrs.

Come on you are saying the an anatomy lab made you decision on which school to choose? No way. I agree that the lab is awesome and I would never take anything away from them. They have hands down the best lab of any pod school right now. (DMU is building a new lab but we will have to see if they spend the money they say they are spending). I also have nothing against Scholl, but I am not going to sugar coat the flaws I see. That goes for any school including my own but that is not what is being discussed.

If you look at the code of ethics that all cadaver labs general operate under. Tours of the facilities w/ the bodies exposed or not is against the code. The could show pictures of the labs. Also, the video online tours the facilities and shows cadavers exposed. Both of these things I feel are disrespectful. The cadavers gave themselves to science and advancing our understanding of the human body, not for recruiting new students.

On the tour they just show the lab. They don't take any cadavers out of the tanks or anything like that. The only way a persson touring would see a cadaver is if there was someone studying in there at the time of the tour. The tour is not disrespectful in the least. Anatomy is my favorite class, and the anatomy lab was the one thing on the tour I really wanted to see. For the record. There are no differences between the CMS and Scholl Cadavers. The body you get is random and you never know what you will find. Some bodies are better than others, but that is just luck of the draw and some people aren't very lucky. The CMS and Scholl students work together in the lab side by side. The amount of interaction depends on your interest in seeing other bodies in the lab. It's better to be able to walk around and take a look at everyone's body. There are a lot of bodies with variations and this is how you learn medicine.

Scholl is an excellant program. Not saying the other programs aren't.

I don't care about who's body is who's. Look up the cadaver code of ethics and everywhere it says NO TOURS. Rosalind Franklin is the only place that I have every see this done.

The reason it says no tours of the lab is b/c tours of even the facilities goes against the nature of the donation. The body and therefore the lab is a gift to advance science. I think that lab is awesome, but show pictures during the applicant tours.

What if they give a tour in the summer when there are no bodies in the tanks. Is that acutally wrong too? The first time I saw a cadaver in the lab was on my first day in the lab. NOT on the tour.

What if they give a tour in the summer when there are no bodies in the tanks. Is that acutally wrong too? The first time I saw a cadaver in the lab was on my first day in the lab. NOT on the tour.

Yeah,

The first time I saw a body was in my first day of lab as well.

Molly,
How did that mock practical go over today? I need to study my tail off to be competent by this friday.

The lab is equal to the morgue. You will never get a tour of the morgue in a hospital, DCI center, or a funeral home. It has less to do w/ if the bodies are exposed, and more to do w/ the reverence you give the dead.

Yeah,

The first time I saw a body was in my first day of lab as well.

Molly,
How did that mock practical go over today? I need to study my tail off to be competent by this friday.

Luke,

I didn't do badly. It was an eye opener to what I personally need to work on though. So I will be there a whole bunch till Wednesday at 5pm. I'm studying for the lecture exams during lecture. It's been interesting. See you in lab.

Hey I saw cadavars on my tour at Ohio- there was a class in there and the student giving us the tour took us right in- I thought it was really great to see students in action, and the students were excited to see us and show us what they were doing,

I've heard that Scholl podiatry students are treated like second class citizens- ie have to wait for other medical students to finish with cadavers before they get to use them. Anyone want to comment on this?

If I remember during my cadaver lab at PCPM, there was not much of a cadaver left after dissection, lol.

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Has anyone decided to go to Scholl next year?

Hey I saw cadavars on my tour at Ohio- there was a class in there and the student giving us the tour took us right in- I thought it was really great to see students in action, and the students were excited to see us and show us what they were doing,

That is also against the cadaveric ethical code. Of course it is not law but it is looked down upon by the anatomic community b/c of the contract that the donators sign.

That is also against the cadaveric ethical code. Of course it is not law but it is looked down upon by the anatomic community b/c of the contract that the donators sign.

It seems every school shows the cadaver lab during interviews except DMU, of coarse, maybe DMU shows them too, I dont know. I dont see anything wrong with showing potential students the cadavers. Its not like theyre working on them.

This is not true at all. There are more than just podiatry schools that have cadaver labs so b/c you heard it happens at 2 schools do not assume that it is true. If you would like to educate yourself on the topic just search the internet. It is very clear that this is a violation.

This is not true at all. There are more than just podiatry schools that have cadaver labs so b/c you heard it happens at 2 schools do not assume that it is true. If you would like to educate yourself on the topic just search the internet. It is very clear that this is a violation.

Who here has had an interview at Scholl and seen the actual human bodies??

I believe you are misinterpreted about the laws governing these ethics.

When I interviewed there I saw the metal tanks that contains cadavers, but certainly didn't see any human remains.

Who here has had an interview at Scholl and seen the actual human bodies??

I believe you are misinterpreted about the laws governing these ethics.

When I interviewed there I saw the metal tanks that contains cadavers, but certainly didn't see any human remains.

I interviewed there on oct 17 and I saw the metal tanks closed and one was open and the cadaver there had its whole chest cleaned out with the heart laying next to the arm. It looked like a carved chicken. The face was covered. I also saw students across the room working on a cadaver.

This is not true at all. There are more than just podiatry schools that have cadaver labs so b/c you heard it happens at 2 schools do not assume that it is true. If you would like to educate yourself on the topic just search the internet. It is very clear that this is a violation.

Then a lot of schools are in violation. Med schools show then too. Not every school but you'll be surprised to find out how many do. But like I said earlier, DMU is the only pod school that I have heard does not show the lab. I have talked to others that have interviewed at other schools that do.

They were on the recruitment video.

Also, the laws governing the ethics are the same that govern tissue donations. That is why I am not happy on how things are handled. I do understand they have great facilities and I am willing to submit to Scholl showing the lab if the bodies are not present, not just in the tanks. But no one anywhere should be giving tours will a class is going on. That is wrong.

You see the rules that are set are there b/c medical schools, researchers, surgeons already have a shortage of donations. Now if people start hearing that we are using the bodies for recruitment; it is more than likely to hurt the trust they have in us. Less bodies means med students in the future suffer and paitents suffer b/c a decrease in cadaveric stocks.

Then a lot of schools are in violation. Med schools show then too. Not every school but you'll be surprised to find out how many do. But like I said earlier, DMU is the only pod school that I have heard does not show the lab. I have talked to others that have interviewed at other schools that do.

1) I would have to hear it from someone who was there. Hearsay is rarely accurate

2) Just b/c others are doing it does not make it right.

Again, I would like to hear it from others. If you are talking about high schools coming into the lab as part of a class, that is not a tour that is education. What I am not okay with is using the cadavers to recruit, that is unethical.

[QUOTE=bdaddyjolley;4336841]It looked like a carved chicken.QUOTE]

This is the problem, no respect for the people who donate their body to educate jerks like this.

when i went for my interview at Scholl, the metal tanks were closed. :D

[QUOTE=bdaddyjolley;4336841]It looked like a carved chicken.QUOTE]

This is the problem, no respect for the people who donate their body to educate jerks like this.

You don't have to get all upset and start calling people names. I don't know any other to describe it. That's what it looked like to me. If there was a better analogy I would use it. It didn't look disected, it looked hacked up like a chicken or turkey looks at thanksgiving. The muscles were brown from lack of blood, like a cooked chicken and it was hacked. Maybe those who worked on it don't have the best manual dexterty. WHat is disrespectful about describing the cadavers appearance. Do you want me lie about what it looked like?

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You don't have to get all upset and start calling people names. I don't know any other to describe it. That's what it looked like to me. If there was a better analogy I would use it. It didn't look disected, it looked hacked up like a chicken or turkey looks at thanksgiving. The muscles were brown from lack of blood, like a cooked chicken and it was hacked. Maybe those who worked on it don't have the best manual dexterty. WHat is disrespectful about describing the cadavers appearance. Do you want me lie about what it looked like?

This logic is crazy. Could you not just answer the question "the cadaver was exposed"? I would hate to hear how you describe your friends "He is an ugly black guy that is dark as night."

Again, show respect to the cadaver. A more appropriate way is to say the dissection appeared to be very poorly done. The students did not seem to take care of the body.

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This logic is crazy. Could you not just answer the question "the cadaver was exposed"? I would hate to hear how you describe your friends "He is an ugly black guy that is dark as night."

Again, show respect to the cadaver. A more appropriate way is to say the dissection appeared to be very poorly done. The students did not seem to take care of the body.

The analogy you just gave is crazy since he latino not black.

I agree with Feelgood, that comparing it to a 'hacked up chicken' probably wasnt the best way to put it. Its one of those things you keep inside your head. I'm in anatomy now, and see things that aren't pleasing, but I dont post it on a board. That was just distasteful. (MY OPINION)
I do disagree about the lab showing. Yes, you should not be able to see the cadavers themselves for a 'showing'. But the lab itself, I think is okay. Its nice to know what I'll be paying for and the technology they have. I guess they could just show a picture of the lab, but thats up to them.
Either way, everyone agrueing on SDN isnt going to change this. So can we please just drop this whole debate. Feelgood, maybe if you are going there for the basketball tourney bring it up to them and talk to someone AT scholl that can do something.

I agree with Feelgood, that comparing it to a 'hacked up chicken' probably wasnt the best way to put it. Its one of those things you keep inside your head. I'm in anatomy now, and see things that aren't pleasing, but I dont post it on a board. That was just distasteful. (MY OPINION)
I do disagree about the lab showing. Yes, you should not be able to see the cadavers themselves for a 'showing'. But the lab itself, I think is okay. Its nice to know what I'll be paying for and the technology they have. I guess they could just show a picture of the lab, but thats up to them.
Either way, everyone agrueing on SDN isnt going to change this. So can we please just drop this whole debate. Feelgood, maybe if you are going there for the basketball tourney bring it up to them and talk to someone AT scholl that can do something.

I like the way you think but I won't be able to be at the tourney b/c I'm going to ACFAS.

I agree with Feelgood, that comparing it to a 'hacked up chicken' probably wasnt the best way to put it. Its one of those things you keep inside your head. I'm in anatomy now, and see things that aren't pleasing, but I dont post it on a board. That was just distasteful. (MY OPINION)
I do disagree about the lab showing. Yes, you should not be able to see the cadavers themselves for a 'showing'. But the lab itself, I think is okay. Its nice to know what I'll be paying for and the technology they have. I guess they could just show a picture of the lab, but thats up to them.
Either way, everyone agrueing on SDN isnt going to change this. So can we please just drop this whole debate. Feelgood, maybe if you are going there for the basketball tourney bring it up to them and talk to someone AT scholl that can do something.

You're right and you put it so much better than feelgood did. Good logic always helps.

You're right and you put it so much better than feelgood did. Good logic always helps.

I'd just like to warn you that podiatry is not the big so watch your tongue b/c you don't know who will be at the residency you want. I'd show a little more respect to the upper classmen and women.

I'd just like to warn you that podiatry is not the big so watch your tongue b/c you don't know who will be at the residency you want. I'd show a little more respect to the upper classmen and women.

What are talking about? I was just giving him a comment on how he explained his point of view. For me, it was easier to understand than yours. Is that so wrong? There are always miscommunications throughout life. Are you always going to make threats because of that? And for the record, you have insulted me in several posts (calling me a jerk, alluding that I'm illogical etc). Have I ever complained or made light threats to you? Let's just take things down a notch and share ideas and opinions without getting mad.

What are talking about? I was just giving him a comment on how he explained his point of view. For me, it was easier to understand than yours. Is that so wrong? There are always miscommunications throughout life. Are you always going to make threats because of that? And for the record, you have insulted me in several posts (calling me a jerk, alluding that I'm illogical etc). Have I ever complained or made light threats to you? Let's just take things down a notch and share ideas and opinions without getting mad.

I meant to say complement, not comment

What are talking about? I was just giving him a comment on how he explained his point of view. For me, it was easier to understand than yours. Is that so wrong? There are always miscommunications throughout life. Are you always going to make threats because of that? And for the record, you have insulted me in several posts (calling me a jerk, alluding that I'm illogical etc). Have I ever complained or made light threats to you? Let's just take things down a notch and share ideas and opinions without getting mad.

You have been involved in podiatry for 2 months; yet, you post as if you have been in it for 2 years. You present your opinion as fact not opinion and may times it is illogical or ignorant (FYI that is not an insult that is a fact; ignorance is presenting information in an uninformed way). You post about the cadaver was being a jerk. That was stating it lightly.

My threats are not light nor empty. Everything you write here is seen by faculty members at each school. Some of you (pre-pods) have already burned bridges at schools b/c of comments that you have made. And if you think that b/c you have been accepted you are protect, you might find your post come back to haunt you. Most pods know each other and if they don't know you just a what they have heard or read, you will already be at a disadvantage.

You have been involved in podiatry for 2 months; yet, you post as if you have been in it for 2 years. You present your opinion as fact not opinion and may times it is illogical or ignorant (FYI that is not an insult that is a fact; ignorance is presenting information in an uninformed way). You post about the cadaver was being a jerk. That was stating it lightly.

My threats are not light nor empty. Everything you write here is seen by faculty members at each school. Some of you (pre-pods) have already burned bridges at schools b/c of comments that you have made. And if you think that b/c you have been accepted you are protect, you might find your post come back to haunt you. Most pods know each other and if they don't know you just a what they have heard or read, you will already be at a disadvantage.

Ok we get it. Calm down. You dont have to continually insult people and I'm not talking about the word ignorant. I understand you there. But take it easy. I understand you are offended but that doesnt mean you have to get nasty. Everyone gets offended one time or another but how we react is what is important. So let's just start over feelgood and leave these uncomfortable conversations in the past. We don't have to hate each other because of a little confrontation.:) Can we be agreed on that?

Ok we get it. Calm down. You dont have to continually insult people and I'm not talking about the word ignorant. I understand you there. But take it easy. I understand you are offended but that doesnt mean you have to get nasty. Everyone gets offended one time or another but how we react is what is important. So let's just start over feelgood and leave these uncomfortable conversations in the past. We don't have to hate each other because of a little confrontation.:) Can we be agreed on that?

I don't have any ill feelings toward you and most of the post was directed at all pre-pod posters not just you. That is why I started that other thread. I've tried to stay out of most of the merry go round arguments that have been started lately. As for the continually insults, I'm not sure what you are talking about. I thought I used "logic" to explain my comments (i.e. jerk).

But if you think I've been nasty, oh well. I respect your opinion on that topic but disagree w/ you. I don't feel that I have been nasty at all; I was just sternly correcting you on some silly comments.

You have been involved in podiatry for 2 months; yet, you post as if you have been in it for 2 years. You present your opinion as fact not opinion and may times it is illogical or ignorant (FYI that is not an insult that is a fact; ignorance is presenting information in an uninformed way). You post about the cadaver was being a jerk. That was stating it lightly.

My threats are not light nor empty. Everything you write here is seen by faculty members at each school. Some of you (pre-pods) have already burned bridges at schools b/c of comments that you have made. And if you think that b/c you have been accepted you are protect, you might find your post come back to haunt you. Most pods know each other and if they don't know you just a what they have heard or read, you will already be at a disadvantage.


Most people I have spoken with have not even heard of SDN. I highly doubt that your faculty are going to be wasting their time reading all of these posts looking for the perfect applicant. Who are you trying to fool?
Respect is a mutual bond rather than try to threaten someone with something illogical.

Possibly your way of dealing with "silly comments" are different than mine. I believe that respect is built from the ground up, rather than some authoritarian method.

Most people I have spoken with have not even heard of SDN. I highly doubt that your faculty are going to be wasting their time reading all of these posts looking for the perfect applicant. Who are you trying to fool?
Respect is a mutual bond rather than try to threaten someone with something illogical.

Possibly your way of dealing with "silly comments" are different than mine. I believe that respect is built from the ground up, rather than some authoritarian method.

Now this would be an ignorant comment. Do you know who reads these posts? I do know that faculty and Deans at DMU read these forums. I have had converstations about SDN. I also know that they discuss this w/ others outside of DMU.

You have your methods, I have mine. I was raised w/ a level of respect for elders. I will not remain civil when someone posts comments about cadavers that are disrespectful. I have always had more respect for you, but if you are going to defend comments like his; I guess I was wrong.

Now this would be an ignorant comment. Do you know who reads these posts? I do know that faculty and Deans at DMU read these forums. I have had converstations about SDN. I also know that they discuss this w/ others outside of DMU.

You have your methods, I have mine. I was raised w/ a level of respect for elders. I will not remain civil when someone posts comments about cadavers that are disrespectful. I have always had more respect for you, but if you are going to defend comments like his; I guess I was wrong.

Who am I defending? I just stated that it seems unlikely that someone at DMU is going to base applicant judgement upon some forum on the internet. I also was raised with respect with elders, that is one reason why I want to pursue Podiatry. What kind of response are you looking for by saying "I guess I was wrong"? Are you going to lose all of your respect for me because I have different opinions on how to handle "disrespectful" pre-pods. I say give some friendly, good advice and move on.

I do appretiate the info and advice you have sent me in the past.

Did you read any of the back posts that started the conversation?

And yes, they are using comments here to decide character. An applicant made a negative comments about DMU but then kissed butt in the interview. Seriously think about it. It is just like residencies and jobs google applicants names and myspace. Things that you put out on the internet can and will be used against you.

I don't have any problems w/ you and have enjoyed talking in the past but as I stated before, I can and obviously will get mad about off colored comments that should not be posted on SDN.

Did you read any of the back posts that started the conversation?

And yes, they are using comments here to decide character. An applicant made a negative comments about DMU but then kissed butt in the interview. Seriously think about it. It is just like residencies and jobs google applicants names and myspace. Things that you put out on the internet can and will be used against you.

I don't have any problems w/ you and have enjoyed talking in the past but as I stated before, I can and obviously will get mad about off colored comments that should not be posted on SDN.

Yeah I agree. There are some things that shouldn't be put on SDN. I do have a problem with those type of people who talk smack and automatically turn into another person to kiss butt. If I was an interviewer and had read about a person on this forum, it would be hard not to judge them on what they have presented previously.

That was my point. I was not speaking just to bdaddy. That is why I posted the warning. The same is to be said for 3rd and 4th years looking to get a residency.

I google my name a few times a year to see if there is anything inappropriate out there. I had some crazy times in college and don't want pics popping up at interviews.

Bdaddy just got under my skin b/c I do take the body donations seriously. I don't fault Scholl for showing them is the bodies are put away but it is difficult to guarantee that when anatomy class is going on. Students should have first crack and tours second. So if a student is studying, the cadaver is no covered and therefore, no tour should be offered.

I just don't think that the lab makes or breaks anyones opinion of the school. My opinion Scholl should show off the CLEAR lab. DMU will have a similar lab next year, but they will not have the CLEAR lab.

That was my point. I was not speaking just to bdaddy. That is why I posted the warning. The same is to be said for 3rd and 4th years looking to get a residency.

I google my name a few times a year to see if there is anything inappropriate out there. I had some crazy times in college and don't want pics popping up at interviews.

Bdaddy just got under my skin b/c I do take the body donations seriously. I don't fault Scholl for showing them is the bodies are put away but it is difficult to guarantee that when anatomy class is going on. Students should have first crack and tours second. So if a student is studying, the cadaver is no covered and therefore, no tour should be offered.

I just don't think that the lab makes or breaks anyones opinion of the school. My opinion Scholl should show off the CLEAR lab. DMU will have a similar lab next year, but they will not have the CLEAR lab.

Scholl is very good about knowing student schedules. Our anatomy labs are from 1-4 and they usually give tours in the morning.

I understand. I was chatting on this issue today and the OSHA regulation states you must have close toed shoes and pants in the lab. I wonder if that issue ever comes up?

I understand. I was chatting on this issue today and the OSHA regulation states you must have close toed shoes and pants in the lab. I wonder if that issue ever comes up?

I hope not since closed toed shoes and pants should make sense when entering most labs. SOme labs if you don't wear pants they make you wear a lab coat but throw you out if you have open toed shoes.

I understand. I was chatting on this issue today and the OSHA regulation states you must have close toed shoes and pants in the lab. I wonder if that issue ever comes up?

My undergrad doesnt require that, which I thought was really strange. If we wear baseball hats, they have to be worn backwards tho, that was my professor's big point.

My undergrad doesnt require that, which I thought was really strange. If we wear baseball hats, they have to be worn backwards tho, that was my professor's big point.

They let you wear hats into cadaver lab???

And many of the women that are interviewing are wearing open toe shoes; that is why I bring it up.

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They let you wear hats into cadaver lab???

And many of the women that are interviewing are wearing open toe shoes; that is why I bring it up.

Feelgood, I see your point on this. We all understand your point. But sadly, someone who is reading all these posts about the "atmosphere at scholl" this is all they are getting, the anatomy lab. And then you posted a thread to warn pre-pods. I try to see everyone's points on everything, but to 'warn' us that we won't get a residency because people talk and gossip and word gets around, may push someone away from podiatry. It was nice to let us know that higher DMUers read this, but to warn us about not getting a residency because of posts on a forum seemed kind of 'threatening' to us (pre-pods). This is just how I felt when I read that, I apoligize if I did take it the wrong way. But just as you are the future of podiatry, we want to be too.

but to 'warn' us that we won't get a residency because people talk and gossip and word gets around, may push someone away from podiatry. It was nice to let us know that higher DMUers read this, but to warn us about not getting a residency because of posts on a forum seemed kind of 'threatening' to us (pre-pods). This is just how I felt when I read that, I apoligize if I did take it the wrong way.

Hey funfeet, iam not supporting feelgood here, but u have to believe me, wat he said is 100% true. Forget residency, our admission can come in jeopardy. last year this happened at Maruette's Dental School and i learnt my lesson from this. I think he brought up a very good point here, in a way he did a big favor on us by warning us. even though we (atleast u and me) are not involved in any school bashing but some people are doing it and it can really get them in trouble. If u dont believe me u cud do a google search on Marquette student getting suspended for posting on blog/forum. believe me its a very big big issue and we have to be very cautious.

I just asked if U of I allowed hats in the cadaver lab. I moved the conversation about what you post to a new thread. This conversation has revolved around Scholl thus it is under the atmosphere of Scholl.

I just asked if U of I allowed hats in the cadaver lab. I moved the conversation about what you post to a new thread. This conversation has revolved around Scholl thus it is under the atmosphere of Scholl.

Actually, I just looked it up, no hats in lab. But thats about the only rule. We dont dissect or anything, we get them after the medical school. My TA doesnt allow us to wear hats, but I've seen in other classes they have, so I did recheck, and no hats allowed. Apparently not all students listen and not all TAs enforce it.

Got ya. I'm just a little picky b/c family members have donate their bodies and needed cadaveric tissue in surgeries. So I am touchy on the subject.

I just asked if U of I allowed hats in the cadaver lab. I moved the conversation about what you post to a new thread. This conversation has revolved around Scholl thus it is under the atmosphere of Scholl.

At Scholl in the Cadaver lab, you have to wear closed toe shoes. They have us bring a pair from home that we will plan on throwing away at the end of the year. Also, everyone has to wear either scrubs, or a lab coat while dissecting. Everyone brings their own gloves and most people have their own dissection kits. We are taught to treat the bodies with the most respect and we spray them down and cover them up everytime we use them for preservation. Also, no one else can open a tank without their being at least one person from that assigned group present.

What I believe that one of the previous people were talking about is seeing a body that was being dissected by a prosector before lab starts. Out of our huge anatomy lab we have assigned bodies that are prosected for our educational purposes. Possibly someone had been introduced to the lab while someone was dissecting off lab hours.

Really. I like the rule about opening tanks. I was anal about the care of my cadaver and people would open it to study. They would not care for it and everything gets dried out.

For those at Scholl, i've asked about classes to take before. I took the suggestion of physio, but all the neuro classes need the intro to neuro and is not offered in spring. So i was looking at either immunology or endocrinology. How much in-depth do you go in the immunology class? I've taken a micro class and a bacterial pathogenesis class which talked about immune response and immune system, but not in depth much. And would endocrinology help at all? Thanks!

For those at Scholl, i've asked about classes to take before. I took the suggestion of physio, but all the neuro classes need the intro to neuro and is not offered in spring. So i was looking at either immunology or endocrinology. How much in-depth do you go in the immunology class? I've taken a micro class and a bacterial pathogenesis class which talked about immune response and immune system, but not in depth much. And would endocrinology help at all? Thanks!

Immunology would help you more than endocrinology.

At scholl, next semester, we have a class Micro and Immunology which covers this in detail, so it would help to have that under your belt. I took endocrinology but didn't find it helpful.

Good Luck.

Immunology would help you more than endocrinology.

At scholl, next semester, we have a class Micro and Immunology which covers this in detail, so it would help to have that under your belt. I took endocrinology but didn't find it helpful.

Good Luck.

THANKS! :)

THANKS! :)

hey wat university do u attend. they are offering endocrinology to undergrads. lol! i mean its normal but usually it is offered at Graduate level. plzz dont say me that endicrinology is also having lab.

THANKS! :)

Have you had Biochem already? That is the class I would study for the most before entering Scholl next fall. Actually, Scholl will give you a study packet a couple months before class starts, so you can review some preliminary Biochemistry that you may have covered in undergrad. Then after your orientation at Scholl you will take this Pre-test and it will be worth 3% of your grad. They just want to get everyone prepared to study for this course.

hey wat university do u attend. they are offering endocrinology to undergrads. lol! i mean its normal but usually it is offered at Graduate level. plzz dont say me that endicrinology is also having lab.

Many times the undergrad level and grad level are offered in the same classroom, but the grad students have to write papers or get a different version of the test. This is what it was like when I took: Endocrinology, Embryology, and Geriatrics.

\]Endocrinology, Embryology, and Geriatrics wow! cool man!.

i go to univeristy of illinois. i've taken biochem, anatomy, micro, and will be taking physiology next semester. Neuro was offered this semester and i chose anatomy instead. I took most of these classes for preparation to pod school. The review for biochem will help a lot I think, so thats nice they do that.

i go to univeristy of illinois. i've taken biochem, anatomy, micro, and will be taking physiology next semester. Neuro was offered this semester and i chose anatomy instead. I took most of these classes for preparation to pod school. The review for biochem will help a lot I think, so thats nice they do that.

Taking Anatomy in undergrad will help you a lot. Also, University of Illinois is a very good school, I am sure they prepared you well.