View Full Version : DAT Harder/Easier: DEBUNKING A MYTH!


doc toothache
04-14-2007, 09:53 PM
There have been a number of posts on SDN regarding the degree of difficulty of the DAT exam. Most are convinced that the DAT has gotten much harder. A few believe that the degree of difficulty has not changed.

DAT Hard or Easy? Harder or Easier?

The DAT is both hard and easy. It is hard for those who do not do well and it is easy for those who do well. To substantiate the claim that the DAT is harder, there are those who profess to have taken it a second time and promptly declare it to have been harder. In this case, the more appropriate phrase should be: “I just retook the DAT and it was harder” for me. Some have friends who took the DAT for the second time and give a similar verdict. There is no doubt that for those that didn’t do as well the second time around, the exam was indeed harder.

A Case of Misinformation/Misinterpretation

Many posts have been alarmed by the perceived dramatic increase in the DAT scores. One post suggested that the bio score has changed from 17 to 20. Another post suggested that the DAT test has been purposely made harder because of an overabundance of high scores (24-25). Still another (apparently based on insider info) pinpointed the change to a harder DAT to have started in the spring. One agitated OP was ready to call in the National Guard since she believed copies of the DAT exams were out and were made available to a select few of her classmates. Someone else believes that there are only a few versions (4-5) of the DAT exam.

Statistical Evidence

Published statistical data supports the fact that the DAT scores have remained relatively unchanged for both the applicant and enrollee pool. (1) (See Table) For the applicant pool, the AA scores ranged from a low of 17.2 (1999) to a high of 18.0 (2001/02). The PA scores ranged from a low of 16.5 (1998/09) to a high of 17.8 (2003/04). For the enrollee pool, the AA scores ranged from a low of 18.1 (1999) to a high of 19.3 (2006). The PA scores ranged from 17.1 (1999) to 18.4 (2006).(2) The DAT is a standardized test. The purpose of a standardized test is to have results that can be compared between students and from year to year. The results can be documented to have a relative degree of validity and reliability. The results can be generalized and replicated. We may want to think of the DAT using a chemistry analogy. The DAT is a buffer (buffered solution) where the mean scores (pH) remains relatively unchanged by addition of high or low scores (acid or base).

Scores of 24 and Above

The table shows the percentile distribution of scores of 24 and above for various sections of the DAT. (3) For the period from January 2006 to June 2006 (4), the frequencies are, admittedly, higher than expected. It remains to be seen whether or not they will stay at this level when all of the 2006 figures are taken into account. For this period, only 2600 candidates took the test, a figure which is a far cry from the ~12 K expected to have taken the test. Whether or not the percentage of scores of 24 above increases dramatically is not going to be particularly significant. The increase would be of significance only if it had an impact on the mean. This is unlikely to happen.

Number of DAT versions.

In all likelihood, only a limited number of ADA staff knows the number of versions that are available. However, it is inconceivable that an organization such as the ADA, with all the resources at its disposal, cannot come up with virtually an endless number of versions. If, for general chemistry alone, Schaum’s can come up with close to 3000 questions for the Solved Problems Series and over 1100 questions for the Schaum’s Outlines, surely the DAT come up with more than a few versions of the exam.

ADA will make the DAT harder.

It is a mystery why ADA would need to make the DAT harder. While the frequency distribution of some sections of the DAT may fluctuate from year to year, AA scores are less likely to fluctuate. Making an argument for the ADA supporting making the DAT harder is an unenviable task. Keep in mind that for TS each missed questions up to 6 decreases the STD score by a point each. (5) For a score of 24 in TS, a candidate only missed 6 questions. If the ADA wanted to bring the mean down, it could easily do so by changing the range of correct answers needed for a mean of 17 or 18.

Applicants/Enrollees Pool.

There seems to be some confusion regarding which DAT scores are under consideration. As it has been pointed out in a previous post, a distinction needs to be made between the applicant pool and the enrollee pool scores. The applicant pool mean scores are generally lower than that of the enrollee pool. As the number of applicants increases there will be an increase in the number of applicants that have scores above the mean. The net effect of choosing candidates with higher scores will be a shift of the mean to the right, or if you will, an increase in the mean scores for enrollees. In order to reach an AA mean of 20 for enrollees, the applicant pool would have to be ~25K.

Applicant Pool Enrolee Pool
Year AA PA AA PA
1998 17.3 16.5 18.2 17.2
1999 17.2 16.5 18.1 17.1
2000 17.8 17.1 18.5 17.7
2001 18 17.6 18.8 18.1
2002 18 17.7 18.8 18.1
2003 17.8 17.3 18.5 17.5
2004 17.8 16.7 18.7 17.3
2005 17.7 16.7 18.9 17.4
2006 17.97 17.46 19.29 18.45


Scores at 24 and above (Percentage)

Year Count QR RC Biology G. Chem O Chem TS AA PA
1988 2631 0.3 2.5 0.4 0.9 1.2 0.4 0.1 0.8
1994 9323 2.11 2.7 0.7 3.1 3.4 0.5 0.4 0.4
1999 6645 3 8.1 2.3 4.8 5.8 1.2 1.3 0.8
2004 11363 2.5 7.1 1.2 4.3 4.6 1.5 1.1 0.2
06 pre 2600 4.4 8.5 2.4 5.5 8 2.5 0.9 1.4

Dental Admission Test
Standard Score Analysis
2004


# of Items Mean S.D.

Quantitative Reasoning 40 16.31 3.22
Reading Comprehension 50 18.89 3.05
Biology 40 17.24 2.64
General Chemistry 30 17.15 3.47
Organic Chemistry 30 16.99 3.71
Survey of Natural Sciences 100 17.12 2.68
Perceptional Ability 75 16.35 2.44








(1) R. Weaver, U.S. Dental School Applicants and Enrollees: A Ten Year Perspective, J. Dent Educ. 2000 Sep; 64(12): 867-874.
(2) R. Weaver, U.S. Dental School Applicants and Enrollees: 2003-2004, J. Dent Educ. Sept 2005:69(9):1064-72.
(3) www.ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/dat_users_manual.pdf
(4) www.ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/dat_score_frequency.pdf
(5) www.ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/dat_estimate_score.pdf

ddstobe
04-14-2007, 10:05 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: OMG, how many hrs had you spent on writing this report? May I ask you to come up with a new report w/ some real DAT questions?:p

BodybldgDoc
04-14-2007, 10:11 PM
:wow:

jdmsamurai
04-14-2007, 11:24 PM
:thumbup:

l2suture
04-14-2007, 11:31 PM
The DAT is a buffer (buffered solution) where the mean scores (pH) remains relatively unchanged by addition of high or low scores (acid or base).

The best analogy I've ever heard in my life and on SDN. A great mix for Chem/Pre-dental students such as myself. =)

Drill2Fill
04-14-2007, 11:42 PM
wow. Good work!

styler5555
04-15-2007, 12:04 AM
those statistics, of 2600 test takers, apply only to first-time DAT takers....
i'm not trying to dispute your claims...just to highlight that point and also point out that most people complaining of the DAT (on this site anyways) being harder were taking the test for the second time....


A harder DAT is only relevant to scale it uses to grade test takers. A much harder test, after months of students performing lower than expected, should hypothetically shift the curve around....so long as, the average/distribution are within a statistical range....it will balance itself out at the end of the day.

ATLATLATL
04-15-2007, 12:10 AM
fingers crossed...hehe

danbarr
04-15-2007, 07:12 AM
:confused:

doc toothache
04-15-2007, 11:33 AM
:confused:

Which part is:confused: ing you?



those statistics, of 2600 test takers, apply only to first-time DAT takers....
i'm not trying to dispute your claims...just to highlight that point and also point out that most people complaining of the DAT (on this site anyways) being harder were taking the test for the second time....


A harder DAT is only relevant to scale it uses to grade test takers. A much harder test, after months of students performing lower than expected, should hypothetically shift the curve around....so long as, the average/distribution are within a statistical range....it will balance itself out at the end of the day.

There was no explanation from the ADA as to why in the Frequency Tables for Jan to June 2006 was limited to only those who took the test for the first time. In any case, it has little relevance. Incidentally the scores for this period were higher rather than lower than expected. The ADA is not going to get excited about the scores (high or low) every time someone finishes the test at a Prometric Center. Why not you might ask? ADA understands statistics and knows that the Jan to June results are not representative of the population (for the year) because this is not a randomly selected sample of the population. If they were concerned, they could get a better picture by doing a random sample from the 2600 candidates that took the test. About 30% of the candidates taking the DAT are repeats. You can bet the farm that ADA is not making the test harder or easier based upon any given batch.

DAT Repeat Exams Analysis 2004

Exam initially taken in 2004 7984 70.26%
1st time repeat 2365 20.81%
2nd time repeat 694 6.11%
3rd time repeat 214 1.88%
4th time repeat 64 0.56%
5th time repeat 30 0.26%
6th time repeat 5 0.04%
7th time repeat 1 0.01%
8th time repeat 2 0.02%
9th time repeat 4 0.04%

Total 11363

DDSDakoo
04-15-2007, 01:05 PM
FINALLY. :thumbup:

bad ass you took the time out to do this.

cheers!

PrincessDMD
04-17-2007, 04:26 PM
Are you saiding that the level of difficult will stay the same, but they will change the # of problems you are allow to miss in order to get a certain score? meaning before you can miss 5 and get a 23 now you can miss only 3 to get the same score?

BodybldgDoc
04-17-2007, 04:34 PM
Are you saiding that the level of difficult will stay the same, but they will change the # of problems you are allow to miss in order to get a certain score? meaning before you can miss 5 and get a 23 now you can miss only 3 to get the same score?

no thats not what hes "saiding"

doc toothache
04-18-2007, 03:21 PM
Are you saiding that the level of difficult will stay the same, but they will change the # of problems you are allow to miss in order to get a certain score? meaning before you can miss 5 and get a 23 now you can miss only 3 to get the same score?

You may want to review the paragraph.

"It is a mystery why the ADA would make the DAT harder............. If the ADA wanted to bring the mean down, it could easily do so by changing the range of correct answers needed for a mean of 17 or 18."

There is absolutely no evidence to support the contention that the DAT is harder than it used to be irrespective of the circumstances (first timers, etc.) under which it was taken. Circumstantial evidence is not proof of the change. If an exit poll was taken of those that just finished the DAT exam and there was 100% agreement that the exam was hard (er), or for that matter, there was 100% agreement among the 12K that took the test during a given calendar year, the results would remain meaningless. Short of a pronouncement by the ADA, the only possible acceptable proof supporting an argument for a more difficult exam would be to have a significant increase in the mean DAT score during a few consecutive years followed by a decline. This is unlikely to happen. Even with an increase in the frequency of high scores (above 24) the finding would remain irrelevant since more likely there would be a concomitant increase in the frequency at the lower end of scores (below 13).

For the sake of argument, let us look at a scenario that may bring the mean score to a higher level. Let’s assume that for the dental school class starting in 2008, the top 1% of the approximately 1.5 million students that will be receiving a Bachelor’s degree this May, all decided to pursue a career in dentistry. They merrily take the DAT exam and lo and behold we are seeing mean DAT averages of 22 for the applicants and mean DAT of 23+ for the enrollees. In this scenario, the applicants would certainly be a happy group and the Dean’s of dental school would be jumping with joy. What possible reason would the ADA come up with to make the DAT harder?

Buttscratcher
04-18-2007, 04:37 PM
Well harder or not...the thought of test day coming near, makes me sick...I want to vomit and cry...just don't know which one to do first.

doc toothache
04-20-2007, 02:06 PM
Well harder or not...the thought of test day coming near, makes me sick...I want to vomit and cry...just don't know which one to do first.

While your DAT anxiety may be understandable, should you be accepted to DS you may be in for a rude awakening. What with 22 courses for the first year and 3-5 exams every week (at least for the first semester).....we may be looking at industrial scale quantities of tranquilizers/antiemetics.

Mahaveer
04-20-2007, 08:16 PM
doc toothache give the dude a break...you cannot dental school exams to the DAT...I know both are important but people put 3 months of hard studying into the DAT...its understandable that they get nervous before taking it

doc toothache
04-20-2007, 08:53 PM
doc toothache give the dude a break...you cannot dental school exams to the DAT...I know both are important but people put 3 months of hard studying into the DAT...its understandable that they get nervous before taking it

It is not a matter of comparing the DAT with dental school exams. You can rest assured that the anxiety level in dental school is going to be a greater deal more intense and for a longer period of time than the the 3 months you may have spent studying for the DAT. You need not worry about getting dispensation from anyone posting on SDN. Dental Schools will far less sympathetic.

Mahaveer
04-21-2007, 11:56 AM
It is not a matter of comparing the DAT with dental school exams. You can rest assured that the anxiety level in dental school is going to be a greater deal more intense and for a longer period of time than the the 3 months you may have spent studying for the DAT. You need not worry about getting dispensation from anyone posting on SDN. Dental Schools will far less sympathetic.

When it comes...we'll all learn to deal with it...until then...just chill

dentalwannabee
04-22-2007, 12:55 AM
excellent post! PLEASE MAKE THIS THREAD A STICKY!!!

doc toothache
04-26-2007, 10:25 AM
When it comes...we'll all learn to deal with it...until then...just chill

Good advice although misdirected.

burton117
05-29-2007, 01:16 PM
Great thread - 5 stars!!!