Hi,
I am considering applying for an MD/PhD in biophysics. Anyone have any good advice on schools, the application process, or interesting personal experiences?

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thanks!
alice

My research area will be biophysics. But I haven't gotten far enough along in the cycle now to know exactly which schools have good programs, etc... Anybody?

Hi brandonite,

Do you know what you want to focus on in biophysics? I'm looking at several thing, but I'd like to tie it in to the gravity wave research I did back in undergrad (I've been out a few years). I honestly don't even know what research is currently going on out there!

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alice

Not that I'm biased or anything, but I've heard that <a href="http://www.mayo.edu/mgs/bme-director.html" target="_blank">Mayo</a> has a great biomedical engineering department...

Right now, most of my stuff has been in imaging... I'll be working towards bringing a new 3T MRI machine online over the summer that my PI wants to use for fMRI of spinal cord injuries...

Anyway, I'm starting to find imaging really tedious and boring, so I'm trying to decide between heading more towards biology, and doing something in the molecular biophysics and biochemistry realm (I like the program at Yale for that), or doing more technical things and getting into BME. I'm going to give that some though.

Gravity waves? That's cool! I have heard of them, but I don't know much about them... I'll have to go do some research... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

And, thanks, mpp. I'll look into Mayo. It's actually pretty close to where I live right now - maybe a seven hour drive?? So, it might be nice to stay close to home...

u2ecila,

Do you mean gravity waves or gravitational waves. I did some research looking at gravity waves in the atmosphere using LIDAR to measure Iron and Sodium concentrations in the mesosphere. Gravitational waves are much sexier although there always seems to be some confusion between the two.

Biophysics has several branches, and I don't know how gravitational waves (which essentially has to do with quantum field theory and general relativity) can directly connect to the field. However...

1) Protein folding and macromolecular structure and dynamics, which has traditionally been the dominant field in biophysics, requires a lot of similiar mathematics (i.e. basic analysis, diffeq). In specific, people are starting to use path integral from QFT approach in solving the protein folding problem

2) In neurophysiology, which can be roughly considered a intersection between biophysics and neuroscience, many of the same mathematics is used (the math for Zeeman's effect in quantum mechanics is used for predicting visual hallucination, for instance)

In general, biophysics has more to do with condensed matter physics (crystals, solids, fluids) than high energy physics or cosmology. However, if you are strong in hard physics, it's pretty easy to make the transition.

oh brandonite, i heard UCSD has a really good program. I'm not sure tho

Yes, thanks for that, sluox.

One of the reasons that I liked the program at Yale was that they seemed to tie biophysics and biochemistry together, which is more what I would like to get into. I have a pretty strong theoretical physics background, but I would like to get more into applications - the further away from Math, the better... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Hi,
Yes, I do mean gravitational waves, not gravity waves. Our lab (UMCP) was working on an experiment trying to prove that the even waves exist. Unfortunately, they lost funding to the LIGO project right around the time I graduated.

I have been out of school for about 5 years, and I am not really sure how to bridge GR and medicine or what the current research areas are. My undergrad is actually in math, and since graduation I have been numbing my brain in systems engineering. Got a lot of work to do to get ready to go back to school!

mpp and sluox - what are you looking at doing MD/PhD in?

Thanks for all the info and keep it coming!

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I'm pretty sure I want to do neuroscience. However, my background is in physics/math. So, I'm looking into applying physics in explaining problems of the brain. Either do theory or develop cool technologies.

I am not planning on doing MD/PhD. I'll be starting medical school this August. I had worked on a PhD in physics, but I left before I finished. That was years ago.

Although I considered applying MD/PhD I didn't think I had the background for it (hell, I didn't think I had the background to get into medical school but somehow I slipped through the cracks). I've never done any medical research at all, my GPA is pretty low, and my graduate GPA is horrendous as I had left the program while still registered. I'm also 31 years old now, so committing to an MD/PhD program might be a bit much for me. The reason I didn't finish my PhD was just simply I did not have the passion for becoming a PhD physicist and, at the moment, I don't have the passion for becoming a PhD physician.

Longwinded answer eh?...

hey brandonite..

I'm also interested in imaging. I have done a lot of stuff with the basic math/physics behind 3D and fMRI (pulse sequence programming, RF coil design), now I want to move more into the clinical area. I'm going to be working in an interventional MRI lab at Hopkins this summer. They work on MRI techniques such as using RF microcoils inside the body, and using MRI to aid in interventional cardiology procedures, so its a better blend of clinical stuff rather than just pure math and engineering.

Wow! I didn't know so many people were interested in imaging. I as well am a prospective bipohysics mudphud (hopefully). I have been working with the biophysics dept at the Medical College of WI for about a year now mostly with Diffusion and Dynamic enhancement MRI. My initial project was using DWI to analyze tumor reccurence, but the outlook was not good, so I have switched to CBV and CBF analysis in tumor with the long long LONG term hope of stopping angiogenesis.

I hope to get some substantial research done this summer through an NIH internship i picked up..I think its going to be stroke analysis though. I really love BME, and I would love if Baylor or some of the accepted mudphuds had any advice regarding prospective BME MSTP applicants. I heard JHU, Duke, and UCSD are spectacular research institutions for MRI--too bad they are all super competitive schools!

baylor, i am well aware that you are the MSTP king, and your advice regarding BME and MSTP would be priceless.

JHU is the place to be (or so i hear)..but its also super competitive. congrats on your acceptance--that is very VERY impressive.

I have done some work with MRI (DWI, and CBV and CBF), but nothing as extensive as you have (pulse programming or coil design). I am fascinated with spin physics though, and i audited a Quantum Mechanics course..only to learn that I will never make it in physics. Still, MR theory fascinates me.

Where are the places to apply for MR? the list i have so far include JHU, Duke, MCW, HST(harvard-mit), UCSD, WashU, Vandy, Pitt, NWU, Uchicago, UW-madison? What schools did you turn down for MSTP? Im guessing your stats were phenomenal, but i am sitting with a 3.98 and a 33Q (14 in PS may help). I know the avg MSTP is like 36 or so, but ive seen people with 33, 30, and 29 get into Duke, UMinn, and Mayo respectively--so i know there is hope.

Did you have first author pubs? I am hoping to get my name on something before I apply, but am unsure as to when the final decision on the paper will be made. I have heard though that talking intelligibly about your research is the key thing at interviews and in essays, etc.

any reply would be much appreciated (I PM'ed you also)

An open question to all of us potential biophysicists:

What residency program do you think you might be interested in?

The more and more I think about it, radiology might not be for me. I don't know if the limited patient contact is exactly what I am looking for, and I think it might be a bit monotonous, at least clinically.

I am thinking right now something like cardiology or oncology. If my research is mainly in imaging, would it make sense to do my residency in a completely different area? Or should I look at altering my research right now?

I guess the one negative of an MD/PhD is that you are forced to make alot of choices about potential residencies very early...

marq, I'm far from the MSTP king, although I do appreciate the thought. I think you'd have to bestow that honor on SonicHedgehog, my Hopkins MSTP colleague. He's been much more successful than I have at this process.

But anyways, i pm'ed you back.

I'm not a mud phud, but I also work in biophysics and physiology at CWRU. It's cool to see so many of us in biophysics. My lab deals with proteins - antibodies. And my projects usually center around localization and characterization of specific calcium channel subunits whose deficiencies cause epileptic behavior (different types), marked by different antibody isoforms.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by brandonite:
<strong>An open question to all of us potential biophysicists:

What residency program do you think you might be interested in?

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Radiation oncology is one field where an MD/PhD is extremely helpful. You get quite a bit of patient contact plus there is a fair bit of academic research going on. I wouldn't go into straight diagnostic radiology. as you mentioned, it's pretty monotonous and the applications of physics and math are limited.

I have been back and forth on the whole MD/PhD thing. I did my ugrad thesis on the whole repressor/DNA search problem, incorporating, as mentioned above, the idea of Feynman path integrals from QFT into calculating probabilities, from which we can get certain parameters, like rate constants, etc. However, I am more into mathematical modeling now, as I have really found my niche (mathematician, not a physicist) but I am not really aware of any PhD programs that have a strong math component, so I am sticking with the MD.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by marq_bme:

Where are the places to apply for MR? the list i have so far include JHU, Duke, MCW, HST(harvard-mit), UCSD, WashU, Vandy, Pitt, NWU, Uchicago, UW-madison? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Uchicago is really starting to try to get Biophysics big. They've got an Instititute of Biophysical Dynamics that they're building a building for. There hope is to get the physics, chem and bio people all working together. Their biochem department is essentially Biochem + Biophysics.

HST is obviously good cuz they have so many resources, but my understanding is that they're mor e engineering and imaging oriented.