First off let me say that I think this site is somewhat helpful in certain aspects! However, I think that the site overall has done people more harm than good! My intention was to attempt the daT yesterday, however after 4 months of 8 hr./day study hard core all day, tutoring all sciences, helping kids dominate chemistry classes and biology classes, immunology (med school level from a harvard trained professor) and a&P also. I mean these people get A's .Attending classes i.e gen chem 1&2 bio 2 taught by awesome professors and getting math tutoring from a guy who I would put up against any doctorial level math student in the country. And still after all this you mean to tell me that I am not ready for the DAT????? WTF!!!well I dont know if it would have paid off on the real exam but I did not feel right about it so I cancelled!! This site has only discouraged me by all of the FALSE DAT scores!!! I initially like most believed everything I read on here, now I know for A fact that over half of what is being posted about the DAT Is Total BS!!! I have heard first hand of people who post false DAt scores whether it be dental students pre dents or whomever. You cant tell me that the average dat score is like 20++. I know many people do score 20+ but Ill bet you it is not their first attempt! Some do I know but very few!! I am a 3.7 science student and very dedicated to my passion. This site makes one feel as if a 17-18 is a bad score!! In all actuality it is a very competitive score. I know there are many people who feel the same So I will just say that when i continue with my dat studies hardcore after fall semester I will not EVEN ONCE consult SDN. I am not trying to boycott Sdn or anything just putting in my 2 cents and probally my last post!? All this question guessing on here makes my flesh crawl!! there is no way anyone can tell you whats on the exam so there is no point in trying to guess what questions you will get as I know many people do!! It is a total crap shoot and it could be your lucky day or not!! I will say that topscore is a good indicator of your actual DAt scores!! So keep studying hard and stop trying to memorize questions! think of the most random thing they could ask because they will and anyone who say the real DAT is easy or basic is full of it!!I did not take the dat ( I cancelled my exam) I have friends who did and I will restudy with them again and take next summer and I know now how to approach.. I promise it is not with any study guide!!!! later!oh. Btw I know my grammer and punctuation is not proper so dont correct me on it!!Good thing dat isnt verbal!lol

First off let me say that I think this site is somewhat helpful in certain aspects! However, I think that the site overall has done people more harm than good! My intention was to attempt the daT yesterday, however after 4 months of 8 hr./day study hard core all day, tutoring all sciences, helping kids dominate chemistry classes and biology classes, immunology (med school level from a harvard trained professor) and a&P also. I mean these people get A's .Attending classes i.e gen chem 1&2 bio 2 taught by awesome professors and getting math tutoring from a guy who I would put up against any doctorial level math student in the country. And still after all this you mean to tell me that I am not ready for the DAT????? WTF!!! This site has only discouraged me by all of the FALSE DAT scores!!! I initially like most believed everything I read on here, now I know for A fact that over half of what is being posted about the DAT Is Total BS!!! I have heard first hand of people who post false DAt scores whether it be dental students pre dents or whomever. You cant tell me that the average dat score is like 20++. I know many people do score 20+ but Ill bet you it is not their first attempt! Some do I know but very few!! I am a 3.7 science student and very dedicated to my passion. This site makes one feel as if a 17-18 is a bad score!! In all actuality it is a very competitive score. I know there are many people who feel the same So I will just say that when i continue with my dat studies hardcore after fall semester I will not EVEN ONCE consult SDN. I am not trying to boycott Sdn or anything just putting in my 2 cents and probally my last post!? All this question guessing on here makes my flesh crawl!! there is no way anyone can tell you whats on the exam so there is no point in trying to guess what questions you will get as I know many people do!! It is a total crap shoot and it could be your lucky day or not!! I will say that topscore is a good indicator of your actual DAt scores!! So keep studying hard and stop trying to memorize questions! think of the most random thing they could ask because they will and anyone who say the real DAT is easy or basic is full of it!! later!

8 hours a day for 4 months and you're not ready? Maybe you need to re-evaluate the way you are studying because there is something seriously wrong. Bye.

First off let me say that I think this site is somewhat helpful in certain aspects! However, I think that the site overall has done people more harm than good! My intention was to attempt the daT yesterday, however after 4 months of 8 hr./day study hard core all day, tutoring all sciences, helping kids dominate chemistry classes and biology classes, immunology (med school level from a harvard trained professor) and a&P also. I mean these people get A's .Attending classes i.e gen chem 1&2 bio 2 taught by awesome professors and getting math tutoring from a guy who I would put up against any doctorial level math student in the country. And still after all this you mean to tell me that I am not ready for the DAT????? WTF!!! This site has only discouraged me by all of the FALSE DAT scores!!! I initially like most believed everything I read on here, now I know for A fact that over half of what is being posted about the DAT Is Total BS!!! I have heard first hand of people who post false DAt scores whether it be dental students pre dents or whomever. You cant tell me that the average dat score is like 20++. I know many people do score 20+ but Ill bet you it is not their first attempt! Some do I know but very few!! I am a 3.7 science student and very dedicated to my passion. This site makes one feel as if a 17-18 is a bad score!! In all actuality it is a very competitive score. I know there are many people who feel the same So I will just say that when i continue with my dat studies hardcore after fall semester I will not EVEN ONCE consult SDN. I am not trying to boycott Sdn or anything just putting in my 2 cents and probally my last post!? All this question guessing on here makes my flesh crawl!! there is no way anyone can tell you whats on the exam so there is no point in trying to guess what questions you will get as I know many people do!! It is a total crap shoot and it could be your lucky day or not!! I will say that topscore is a good indicator of your actual DAt scores!! So keep studying hard and stop trying to memorize questions! think of the most random thing they could ask because they will and anyone who say the real DAT is easy or basic is full of it!! later!

I feel your pain ... +pity+

Dude you have no idea who you are talking to! I will tell you to yours and anyone elses face that 4 mths. is not even close to preparing for that test that was given yesterday!!! If you took the test that someone i know was given yesterday dude I swear you would cry! Either there is one DAT out there from hell or your right i do need to reevaluate as do many others b/c I promise you dude you would not last a day in my world!! I know what level of student I am and it is not to shabby and I promise you I will destroy the dat when do take it and I will def be ready and prepared to post REAL DAT Scores on here one day!!

Hey 901-

I took my DAT today, and I have to tell you, I must have gotten your test. The Gchem and Bio on my test was absolutely insane. I put in a lot of work, i.e. a little over two months and only one month was 6+ hours a day, and I barely scraped out with some competitive scores. I 100% agree with you though, if someone got the test that I got today, I would put 10 grand down in a minute that people could not get my scores. It was absolutely ****ing ridiculous.

So did you take it yesterday or your friend?

Yea Im sure you got the same test. Even orgo was ridiculous right?? I mean come there is no reason to be that crazy! like all orgo 2 crazy rxns! reagents I never heard of??? did you get the afferent artery of the kidney quest?

I did not take but agood friend whom I studied with each day did.

oh boy. I'm screwed.

More depressing news.

Hey 901-

I took my DAT today, and I have to tell you, I must have gotten your test. The Gchem and Bio on my test was absolutely insane. I put in a lot of work, i.e. a little over two months and only one month was 6+ hours a day, and I barely scraped out with some competitive scores. I 100% agree with you though, if someone got the test that I got today, I would put 10 grand down in a minute that people could not get my scores. It was absolutely ****ing ridiculous.

Weren't you in a competition with some other person here on SDN? Are you going to post your scores or wait until the other person took theirs?

Understand that SDN is a small fraction of the students applying to dental school and the scores posted here in no way reflect the actual average DAT score. I'd like to hope that no one would make up DAT scores or give other people false information for them to do worse.
I'm sorry your SDN experiance was so negative and I wish you the best.

Im not saying give up it is def. doable! I will tell you this ,my friend told me that he got a lot of reactions that he could not do from org 2 but he swore to me that I would have killed the orgo section. so what im saying is that he got a bunch of questions that he was not familiar with i.e stuff not found in any study material however with the right knowledge one could have gotten more right. The answer choices are really confusing to det. if you really understand the concept with 2 choices always being possible. SO stop memorizing facts and try to read into a concept ans ask what could they possible ask, however dont read into this too much b/c you can waste a lot of time doing this just realx if test is soon!! Stop studying so much either you know it by now or you dont!!

Weren't you in a competition with some other person here on SDN? Are you going to post your scores or wait until the other person took theirs?

I told the person who helped start it (poc91) my scores, so we'll wait for his verdict. All I am going to say thus far is that my 3 scores are between 60 and 70. None lower than 20, none higher than 25.

While I understand how people posting their scores up that are all 20+ is daunting for many people studying, this website is quite beneficial if you realize and understand exactly what ThewiredNerve wrote about this only being a small percentage of perhaps 'overachievers'.

On the other hand, SDN has been a huge help to me by introducing a lot of study materials that I would have never known about. I probably would have taken the DAT only having done Kaplan. This website has also been a heaven-sent for me because of all the people who are willing to answer questions. For those of us who have already graduated and don't have a private tutor or any place we can get help from, this is the place to go. I have had multiple people take the time to write out long elaborate explainations to questions I have had--this has truely been such a help and is greatly appreciated. Perhaps for us average students who do not do all this:

"tutoring all sciences, helping kids dominate chemistry classes and biology classes, immunology (med school level from a harvard trained professor) and a&P also. I mean these people get A's .Attending classes i.e gen chem 1&2 bio 2 taught by awesome professors and getting math tutoring from a guy who I would put up against any doctorial level math student in the country."

You can appreciate the help this website has to offer through people who are willing to take the time and help others succeed as well.

Understand that SDN is a small fraction of the students applying to dental school and the scores posted here in no way reflect the actual average DAT score. I'd like to hope that no one would make up DAT scores or give other people false information for them to do worse.
I'm sorry your SDN experiance was so negative and I wish you the best.
I know we all wanna believe that SDN is totally truthful and 100% effective and im not saying im not happy with my stent on sdn, I met a lot of great helpful people, but I will say I can totally promise that u should take EVERYTHING you and everyone else reads on here with a grain of salt!! It is not all truthful and the info def. is not even accurate The info given on sdn is not nearly enough to satisfy a competitive score I know this b/c noone can give you that info but your braIN During the test !! My friend totally got a cometitive score but It is not nearly what it should have been based on what is said on SDN, that you need to know to dominate the dat, if this makes sense!

First off let me say that I think this site is somewhat helpful in certain aspects! However, I think that the site overall has done people more harm than good! My intention was to attempt the daT yesterday, however after 4 months of 8 hr./day study hard core all day, tutoring all sciences, helping kids dominate chemistry classes and biology classes, immunology (med school level from a harvard trained professor) and a&P also. I mean these people get A's .Attending classes i.e gen chem 1&2 bio 2 taught by awesome professors and getting math tutoring from a guy who I would put up against any doctorial level math student in the country. And still after all this you mean to tell me that I am not ready for the DAT????? WTF!!! This site has only discouraged me by all of the FALSE DAT scores!!! I initially like most believed everything I read on here, now I know for A fact that over half of what is being posted about the DAT Is Total BS!!! I have heard first hand of people who post false DAt scores whether it be dental students pre dents or whomever. You cant tell me that the average dat score is like 20++. I know many people do score 20+ but Ill bet you it is not their first attempt! Some do I know but very few!! I am a 3.7 science student and very dedicated to my passion. This site makes one feel as if a 17-18 is a bad score!! In all actuality it is a very competitive score. I know there are many people who feel the same So I will just say that when i continue with my dat studies hardcore after fall semester I will not EVEN ONCE consult SDN. I am not trying to boycott Sdn or anything just putting in my 2 cents and probally my last post!? All this question guessing on here makes my flesh crawl!! there is no way anyone can tell you whats on the exam so there is no point in trying to guess what questions you will get as I know many people do!! It is a total crap shoot and it could be your lucky day or not!! I will say that topscore is a good indicator of your actual DAt scores!! So keep studying hard and stop trying to memorize questions! think of the most random thing they could ask because they will and anyone who say the real DAT is easy or basic is full of it!! later!

I think that I had the same test. The Bio was crazy - I was able to do it only because I studied Schaum's Bio in and out. Even the Cliffs/Destroyer/Achiever/Kaplan together weren't enough for the crazy Bio section I had.

Tell your boy to relax. Scores this year have been lower, especially recently. I know that this month it was hard, and I know that I also made at least one dumb mistake on bio that I shouldn't have. The fact is, what a 23-24 was last year a 21-22 is this year. I know averages will drop next year, it would be damn near impossible to go the other way. Tell him to chill and reapply next year if he has to, otherwise, deal with it.

I told the person who helped start it (poc91) my scores, so we'll wait for his verdict. All I am going to say thus far is that my 3 scores are between 60 and 70. None lower than 20, none higher than 25.

I will make a guess: You did AA/TS/PAT = 23/22/23! :D

While I understand how people posting their scores up that are all 20+ is daunting for many people studying, this website is quite beneficial if you realize and understand exactly what ThewiredNerve wrote about this only being a small percentage of perhaps 'overachievers'.

On the other hand, SDN has been a huge help to me by introducing a lot of study materials that I would have never known about. I probably would have taken the DAT only having done Kaplan. This website has also been a heaven-sent for me because of all the people who are willing to answer questions. For those of us who have already graduated and don't have a private tutor or any place we can get help from, this is the place to go. I have had multiple people take the time to write out long elaborate explainations to questions I have had--this has truely been such a help and is greatly appreciated. Perhaps for us average students who do not do all this:

"tutoring all sciences, helping kids dominate chemistry classes and biology classes, immunology (med school level from a harvard trained professor) and a&P also. I mean these people get A's .Attending classes i.e gen chem 1&2 bio 2 taught by awesome professors and getting math tutoring from a guy who I would put up against any doctorial level math student in the country."

You can appreciate the help this website has to offer through people who are willing to take the time and help others succeed as well.your right I can appreciate, and people like you are why I posted this comment. My point is that, to take the dat and tell me how much all those study materials REALLY helped in the overall big picture!! You might say that "I could not have gotten the score I did if not for that or this book" however you will never be able to say after that is said that I see that I didnt really need that book to succeed! The info is out there and not in any book i promise!!! Is exactly my point!!So I challenge you to take the real test and tell how much those study materials. really relped you!!! because I have not seen any study book out that test the understanding needed to get20+ across the board!
p.s. there are great study materials out!!! that I will continue to use! no offense to anyone!!

..of course you see the irony of taking the time to post that you're not going to post any more :)

I took the DAT a month ago. Aside from a particular question about a whacked out Hb O2 dissociation curve, I thought it was alright.

the first time i tested i made a 18AA the second 21AA with a 22TS. i agree it takes many people 2 times to get in the 20s i know it did with me; however, the dat is not some impossible test. Many people do well on it, but the strange thing is that many people with 4.0s don't necessarily make 20s on the dat. It really comes down to detailed knowledge of the sciences and critical thinking ability. I don't know if people are all lying with their scores on SDN because in the end they are cheating themselves when they ask questions like what are my chances.

I didn't say anything about "study" books. What are you talking about?

All I said was that having people to whom you can ask questions is helpful when you need a different explaination than offered in a book.

You need to chill out buddy.

Also, you are saying that it makes your "skin crawl" when people try to guess questions on this forum, well, how is it any better that your friend has revealed so much of his version of the DAT that you are going on this rant about God knows what?

I hear people saying that the DAT has like 3 or 4 versions or something. So is there like 1 really hard one that's totally taking some people for a hell ride (especially on bio)? Or is the ADA changing and making this test more difficult every month?

I don't even know what's going on anymore. Any ideas anyone?

I keep hearing about how the bio section is getting really hard. Do you think the ada is just throwing in some "test" questions to see how people do? I know they do that for the pat. Those test questions do not count towards your score. Just a thought. DB

I hear people saying that the DAT has like 3 or 4 versions or something. So is there like 1 really hard one that's totally taking some people for a hell ride (especially on bio)? Or is the ADA changing and making this test more difficult every month?

I don't even know what's going on anymore. Any ideas anyone?

I'm curious about the above...

FWIW, I think scores have actually gone up since I took the test in May. Around March, April, May, more people were getting nailed on the sciences.

But then again...it's all based on what I read on SDN...so...who knows.

Oh, if the tests all varied widely in difficulty...wouldn't that defeat the idea of standardized test? Kinda loses it's validity as a universal equalizer....my gut tells me this "difficulty" is really just on a relative scale. For example, I know from reading previous posts...I had the SAME bio version as other people who were saying it was all crazy and what not. Not trying to be cocky, but I didn't think it was all that bad. I mean, yeah the topics were a little confusing, but the questions could be reasoned through and process of elimination came rather easily.

The fact is, what a 23-24 was last year a 21-22 is this year. I know averages will drop next year, it would be damn near impossible to go the other way.

So where did you say you got this fact? Based on what I can see, many people have scored similarly as last year's students. If not, instead of saying the test has become 10-20% more difficult, maybe the test takers are 10-20% more stupid. If I say it's a fact, is that going to make it any more believable?

Your assumptions are weak, at best.

So where did you say you got this fact? Based on what I can see, many people have scored similarly as last year's students. If not, instead of saying the test has become 10-20% more difficult, maybe the test takers are 10-20% more stupid. If I say it's a fact, is that going to make it any more believable?

Your assumptions are weak, at best.

I've actually been reading the DAT scores on the forum for a while, and think that it is probably more likely that the test has gotten harder.

i have only taken DAT recently so I have no first hand knowledge, but several retakers who have taken the test from both last year and this year have stated that the test is getting more difficult.

I'm curious as well.

Did anyone out there apply last cycle AND who was really active on SDN???

They would be a good gauge of score trends.

I've actually been reading the DAT scores on the forum for a while, and think that it is probably more likely that the test has gotten harder.

i have only taken DAT recently so I have no first hand knowledge, but several retakers who have taken the test from both last year and this year have stated that the test is getting more difficult.

Yes, the test may have gotten harder but that doesn't mean the scores will get lower. Harder tests have more generous scale.

I have a friend who took the test today and made a 21AA/20TS/20PAT. He said that there were a few questions out of the blue but overall he didnt feel that it was that bad. It was his third time taking it. Sure it may not have been the version that ya'll are complaining about but I have a hard time believing that one test is that much more difficult than the other. The ADA has no way of regulating who gets what test....and it would be unethical to have one hard version floating around waiting to stick it to some random person.

Johnathan.....How could the test of been so ridiculously hard....and you still scored no worse than 20 in any section? That means at worst you missed 6 Biol questions.....4 G-chem questions.....5 Organic questions.......10-11 QR questions.....and 11-13 RC questions. Either you are an amazing guesser or you knew most of the questions asked. You said you scored no lower than 20 in any section and no higher than 25 in any section....which leads me to believe you landed somewhere in the 22AA range. Last time I checked....those are some outstanding scores.

Yes, the test may have gotten harder but that doesn't mean the scores will get lower. Harder tests have more generous scale.

Scale isn't instant. Standard scores are standard scores. You miss a certain amount, you get certain score. Scaled scores change by the year. I have no doubt that next year's percentages are going to be lower. Do percentages rise with a scale? I hope so. I also hope the ADA is watching who does what on what test, because there is no doubt in my mind that there is one version of the test that just rapes its takers.

Yes, the test may have gotten harder but that doesn't mean the scores will get lower. Harder tests have more generous scale.

The scale remains the same, as posted by ADA... http://ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/dat_estimate_score.pdf

Although the test is getting harder, you are still allowed the same number of mistakes to achieve the same scores as last year.

The scale remains the same, as posted by ADA... http://ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/dat_estimate_score.pdf

Although the test is getting harder, you are still allowed the same number of mistakes to achieve the same scores as last year.

Nope, that isn't true. That scale is just a sample scale which can be used for estimating your score. It doesn't apply for every tests. For example, I have gotten 27 in Bio, but according to that scale, a 27 in Bio doesn;t even exists.

Scale isn't instant. Standard scores are standard scores. You miss a certain amount, you get certain score. Scaled scores change by the year. I have no doubt that next year's percentages are going to be lower. Do percentages rise with a scale? I hope so. I also hope the ADA is watching who does what on what test, because there is no doubt in my mind that there is one version of the test that just rapes its takers.

I seriously doubt that harder test => lower score is true. That would be against the notion of a standardized test.

[quote=901preDent;5519571] I am a 3.7 science student and very dedicated to my passion. This site makes one feel as if a 17-18 is a bad score!! In all actuality it is a very competitive score.

Maybe a competitive score for someone with a 3.7 GPA but I'm sorry to inform you that a 17-18 are not competitive scores for someone under a 3.5 GPA. You will not convince me otherwise because if 17s and 18s are competitive scores then I would have gotten in dental school last year. It seems to me that you are on a rant about something that has upset you and you see fit to vent to everyone on here about it. Yes the DAT is hard.....probably harder than previous years.....if you have done all of the studying you say you have....then believe me you should have no problem scoring in your competitive 17 to 18 range. If you can't score a 17 or 18 after 4 months of 8+ hours a day studying then something is seriously wrong. Stop trying to scare everyone into thinking that DAT is an impossible test to do well on. I know of too many people who have scored well on the test recently (not SDNers). If you study hard and put your time in good scores will follow.

I seriously doubt that harder test => lower score is true. That would be against the notion of a standardized test.

http://ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/dat_examinee_guide.pdf

Page 30, scoring of the test.

"The results are reported to dental schools in terms of standard scores rather than raw scores or percentile equivalents." So I dont really think its based on a curve...

Yes, the test may have gotten harder but that doesn't mean the scores will get lower. Harder tests have more generous scale.

How do you know the scale is more generous? Any information back up this claim?

Easy Now. Maybe some people on here do post innacurate scores, but they sure helped me. I got a 17 last year without this site. I made an educated assesment of what was said on this site and I think that it definitely helped. I would have gotten a 17 again without the resources found here. Good luck on your retake. By the way I studied for 2 months at about 6-8 hours a day. Good luck everyone, don't let this guy stress you out. YOU CAN DO IT.

I told the person who helped start it (poc91) my scores, so we'll wait for his verdict. All I am going to say thus far is that my 3 scores are between 60 and 70. None lower than 20, none higher than 25.

Well you have none lower than 20 so you couldn't have done that bad :rolleyes:

[quote=901preDent;5519571] I am a 3.7 science student and very dedicated to my passion. This site makes one feel as if a 17-18 is a bad score!! In all actuality it is a very competitive score.

Maybe a competitive score for someone with a 3.7 GPA but I'm sorry to inform you that a 17-18 are not competitive scores for someone under a 3.5 GPA. You will not convince me otherwise because if 17s and 18s are competitive scores then I would have gotten in dental school last year. It seems to me that you are on a rant about something that has upset you and you see fit to vent to everyone on here about it. Yes the DAT is hard.....probably harder than previous years.....if you have done all of the studying you say you have....then believe me you should have no problem scoring in your competitive 17 to 18 range. If you can't score a 17 or 18 after 4 months of 8+ hours a day studying then something is seriously wrong. Stop trying to scare everyone into thinking that DAT is an impossible test to do well on. I know of too many people who have scored well on the test recently (not SDNers). If you study hard and put your time in good scores will follow.okay I did not start this thread to say the dat is impossible or that it cant be conquered I just am trying to offer advice to those taking soon!! Get off this site. People get on here and speak of whats on the test as if they know when unless you have actually taken the test noone knows!! I cant stand idiots like you! I never said I studied four months and cant get 17 or 18. In fact i am almost sure I could get at least a 17, however I am not taking yet b/c I dont want a seventeen! Coming from a rough b/g I need a DAt score that will give me options and a 17 wont cut it!! So dude why dont you stop critizing my thread and take the dat and tell me what you think!! believe it or not I did not take the test b/c I was indeed ready! I know most people wont be ableto wrap their mind around that logic but if you think about it makes total since for me!! I am not applying for 08 so I dont feel rushed to take the dat now like most last minuters !! i know the level of study i put in this summer and i know what level needs to be put forth! So all you dedicated SDNers that think this is your key to dschool keep listening to false info that will not help you on the test! yea that makes sence!!

http://ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/dat_examinee_guide.pdf

Page 30, scoring of the test.

"The results are reported to dental schools in terms of standard scores rather than raw scores or percentile equivalents." So I dont really think its based on a curve...

I am not sure why that has anything to do with your conclusion?
That only means that the scores are reported as 20, 22, 23, etc, not in % or number of questions correct.

How do you know the scale is more generous? Any information back up this claim?

Because DAT is a standardized test? If the questions are harder and the scale is fixed, it cannot be called a standardized test.

all you guys keep on thinking that but I promise it is a crap shoot and not standardized! go ahead and say yea it is it says it on the website...of course the ada says that u actually think they will say the test may be unfair!!! everyone gets on here and says no its fair I took it but fortunately you just did not get a test from but I promise they r out there so just be ready but I promise it is a total crap shoot and may not test what you know but it will test how well you think you know stuff!!

I don't understand what message you are trying to convey with your posts. The DAT is fair so stop saying that it's not, and stop giving people false ideas that the DAT is some monster that they can't or won't overcome. I put a tremendous amount of effort into studying for the DAT so I don't like people saying that the score people get is a "crapshoot."

Please, use some grammar and punctuation so we can read whatever it is that you're ranting about .:laugh:

Because DAT is a standardized test? If the questions are harder and the scale is fixed, it cannot be called a standardized test.

But how would one objectively define harder until it is probably too late? The test makers could have made what they considered a minor tweak, kept the same scale, but we could feel the test is a lot harder. I think we need more objective information or someone in the know to really give an authoritative view on this matter. Remember that on your Score Report ADA says that only your Standard Scores are reported, but not the percentiles.

But how would one objectively define harder until it is probably too late? The test makers could have made what they considered a minor tweak, kept the same scale, but we could feel the test is a lot harder. I think we need more objective information or someone in the know to really give an authoritative view on this matter. Remember that on your Score Report ADA says that only your Standard Scores are reported, but not the percentiles.

Yeah, they could have made a mistake. My claim was base on the assumption that the ADA did not make such a big mistake.

But you are right, they might have mistaken.

ok you _ c word!! you are one who I was trying to help after you said you were screwed.. so I am done now with you so good luck using your little study guides or whatever u are using I hope you kill the DAt!! too bad grammer is not tested on the dat i wuld be soooo screwed huh spellin too!

hahaha. Yea, probably.

:scared:

So that's "southern hospitality":thumbdown

I know, right? This guy is going to have a heart attack before he ever takes the DAT! Take a break and relax!

I have taken the DAT TWICE!!!! Am I proud of it NOOO!!! I of all people know how freakin tough it is to score well on the test, but do I think it is impossible.....NO!!!! I will be taking it for a 3rd time in 2 1/2 weeks. Thanks to this site......I found out about the Destroyer, Schaums Bio, DAT Achiever etc......you are a complete fool if you think that these materials wont help you. Of course there is not any magical study guide out there that will guarantee a 20+ on the DAT but dont you think it is foolish not to use what resources you can. You, who have never even taken the DAT are not one to say anything about the difficulty of the test. You have no basis for the argument you are trying to make. You are just blowing smoke. I promise you I am better prepared this time around thanks to the new material that I have been utilizing. You are not making any sense and based on many of your previous statements you are someone in obvious need of a reality check. I dont understand what you are trying to do other than rant and rave.

that was directed to 901predent lol

good luck on your dat dude! I hope you get in dent school!!! Destroyer is an awesome book!!!oh btw. you dont know me so you dont know what I may or may not know about the actual dat! Yea I may not have taken it but I can guarantee you this I will be better prepared for my first attempt than you will be in 2.5 wks.. anyway good luck!!! youll for sure get in with such determination!!

the first time i tested i made a 18AA the second 21AA with a 22TS. i agree it takes many people 2 times to get in the 20s i know it did with me; however, the dat is not some impossible test. Many people do well on it, but the strange thing is that many people with 4.0s don't necessarily make 20s on the dat. It really comes down to detailed knowledge of the sciences and critical thinking ability. I don't know if people are all lying with their scores on SDN because in the end they are cheating themselves when they ask questions like what are my chances.

I agree with you. I think most of the people here have posted their true scores thou' there are still some people giving BS information. I think SDN is really helpful in term of you could get a lot of information that none of the website out there has. anyway. Good luck with yo all!

First off let me say that I think this site is somewhat helpful in certain aspects! However, I think that the site overall has done people more harm than good! My intention was to attempt the daT yesterday, however after 4 months of 8 hr./day study hard core all day, tutoring all sciences, helping kids dominate chemistry classes and biology classes, immunology (med school level from a harvard trained professor) and a&P also. I mean these people get A's .Attending classes i.e gen chem 1&2 bio 2 taught by awesome professors and getting math tutoring from a guy who I would put up against any doctorial level math student in the country. And still after all this you mean to tell me that I am not ready for the DAT????? WTF!!!well I dont know if it would have paid off on the real exam but I did not feel right about it so I cancelled!! This site has only discouraged me by all of the FALSE DAT scores!!! I initially like most believed everything I read on here, now I know for A fact that over half of what is being posted about the DAT Is Total BS!!! I have heard first hand of people who post false DAt scores whether it be dental students pre dents or whomever. You cant tell me that the average dat score is like 20++. I know many people do score 20+ but Ill bet you it is not their first attempt! Some do I know but very few!! I am a 3.7 science student and very dedicated to my passion. This site makes one feel as if a 17-18 is a bad score!! In all actuality it is a very competitive score. I know there are many people who feel the same So I will just say that when i continue with my dat studies hardcore after fall semester I will not EVEN ONCE consult SDN. I am not trying to boycott Sdn or anything just putting in my 2 cents and probally my last post!? All this question guessing on here makes my flesh crawl!! there is no way anyone can tell you whats on the exam so there is no point in trying to guess what questions you will get as I know many people do!! It is a total crap shoot and it could be your lucky day or not!! I will say that topscore is a good indicator of your actual DAt scores!! So keep studying hard and stop trying to memorize questions! think of the most random thing they could ask because they will and anyone who say the real DAT is easy or basic is full of it!!I did not take the dat ( I cancelled my exam) I have friends who did and I will restudy with them again and take next summer and I know now how to approach.. I promise it is not with any study guide!!!! later!oh. Btw I know my grammer and punctuation is not proper so dont correct me on it!!Good thing dat isnt verbal!lol

Dude, grow up! You're an adult now. Make your own decision on what to take from this site. There are lots of people on this site who are trying to help and get help. Then there are some who post a lot of bull. Of course people are going to lie on this site, it's a freakin' internet forum! Do you believe EVERYTHING you read? Use your judgment and figure it out!

INTERNET FIGHT!!!!!! LOL
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Dude, grow up! You're an adult now. Make your own decision on what to take from this site. There are lots of people on this site who are trying to help and get help. Then there are some who post a lot of bull. Of course people are going to lie on this site, it's a freakin' internet forum! Do you believe EVERYTHING you read? Use your judgment and figure it out!

I completely agree. how old are you 901? you are acting like a complete idiot right now. i understand that you may be having a bad day but chill out. go watch supper bad or something. your not making any since and are talking in circles. besides if you have been studying for sooo long what are you afraid of? just take it. you will probably do just fine. if not you will be better prepared for next year. whatever the case is right now you need to calm down.

good luck on your dat dude! I hope you get in dent school!!! Destroyer is an awesome book!!!oh btw. you dont know me so you dont know what I may or may not know about the actual dat! Yea I may not have taken it but I can guarantee you this I will be better prepared for my first attempt than you will be in 2.5 wks.. anyway good luck!!! youll for sure get in with such determination!!

At some point you need to make good on your promise to never come back...

[quote=901preDent;5519571] 4 months of 8 hr./day study hard core all day, tutoring all sciences, helping kids dominate chemistry classes and biology classes, immunology (med school level from a harvard trained professor) and a&P also. I mean these people get A's .Attending classes i.e gen chem 1&2 bio 2 taught by awesome professors and getting math tutoring from a guy who I would put up against any doctorial level math student in the country.

LoL....you are probably right...you are by far the most prepared person NEVER to take the DAT....I think that should count for something. Hell you shouldn't even have to take the DAT I mean look at what all you've done!! If I were an Adcom I would put ya through....you helped kids dominate chemisty class!! :laugh:

ok you _ c word!! you are one who I was trying to help after you said you were screwed.. so I am done now with you so good luck using your little study guides or whatever u are using I hope you kill the DAt!! too bad grammer is not tested on the dat i wuld be soooo screwed huh spellin too!

This guy actually called me the "c-word". Hmmm... I wonder if that is a first in SDN history? What a winner :laugh::laugh:

I can see how this guy will deal with patients one day...:thumbdown

Calm down kids. The DAT has become more conceptual and less straight-fact based, to some degree, probably in response to the fact that this time last year, every second person was getting sky-high(23+ scores) across the board.

And if some of you are taking the test in the next few weeks,shouldnt you be STUDYING and not arguing over silly things here?:idea:

ok you _ c word!! you are one who I was trying to help after you said you were screwed.. so I am done now with you so good luck using your little study guides or whatever u are using I hope you kill the DAt!! too bad grammer is not tested on the dat i wuld be soooo screwed huh spellin too!

Patient: Sorry Dr.901, but I had to come back because my crown is loose...

901: Do you know why it's loose??? Because you're a C-WORD!!!!


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Anyone with your (the originator of this thread's) experience should have no reason to be intimidated by what is or is not posted on this site. If you'd like to assume that there are a bunch of liars posting scores on here, then whatever. Many people, however, like to look at those high scores as a type of motivation, a sign that a 29 or 30 is not impossible. I got a 29 on the gen chem section, and I studied music! That should be motivation to anyone who has yet to take the DAT. You can be cynical and talk about what a crap shoot it all is, but what's that going to change? You can say our DNA is a crap shoot, but most people don't rant in public about it. By the way, though, I agree that spending much time on SDN isn't really the most productive use of one's time; it's just fun to get on occasionally and see how freaked out some people get about all of this (DAT, dental school, etc.).

oh boy. I'm screwed.

More depressing news.

You will be screwed if you spend all your time on this forum! Go study like you've never studied in your life or better yet until your brain is ready to explode from all the useless facts you've accumulated. You do that and you'll be fine.

You read these forums and worry about every odd ball topic, then you lose your sight on the prize.

Yeah, these forums are good for questions, but looking stuff up in an actual textbook will take you much much further...

This guy actually called me the "c-word". Hmmm... I wonder if that is a first in SDN history? What a winner :laugh::laugh:

I can see how this guy will deal with patients one day...:thumbdown

Wait, why did he call you a cactus? I don't get it. :p

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You will be screwed if you spend all your time on this forum! Go study like you've never studied in your life or better yet until your brain is ready to explode from all the useless facts you've accumulated. You do that and you'll be fine.

You read these forums and worry about every odd ball topic, then you lose your sight on the prize.

Yeah, these forums are good for questions, but looking stuff up in an actual textbook will take you much much further...

yea yea I know. I was exaggerating because of 901's "end of the world" DAT experience (he hasn't taken it) and his epiphany on study material, SDN, ect.

But you're right... that's enough online entertainment :) less Sdn, more study!:D

less Sdn, more study!:D

Some smart advice given here.

901 has been banned for an inappropriate attack on another user.

BTW: For those who are confused... this is a support and advice forum, not a review course.

With the ranting over DAT score trends in this one thread I have now proven it fact that yes, indeed, pre-dental students are 10-20% more stupid this year than last year.

Disclaimer: This fact is based on a sample size of 10-20 individuals where 1-2 of the samples were proven to be more stupid than those in another thread. Stupidity is based on those who have been banned from the site for inappropriate attacks on other individuals.

Disclaimer 2: While calling another individual stupid based on their banning may also be considered an attack on an individual, said individual no longer exists cyber-netically and thus may in now way warrant banning of an additional individual by the screen-name KOM.

Dude you have no idea who you are talking to! I will tell you to yours and anyone elses face that 4 mths. is not even close to preparing for that test that was given yesterday!!! If you took the test that someone i know was given yesterday dude I swear you would cry! Either there is one DAT out there from hell or your right i do need to reevaluate as do many others b/c I promise you dude you would not last a day in my world!! I know what level of student I am and it is not to shabby and I promise you I will destroy the dat when do take it and I will def be ready and prepared to post REAL DAT Scores on here one day!!

I don't want to burst any bubbles around here, but in dental school we will be having more difficult tests on a weekly basis. If you cannot prepare yourself within a few days of an exam, then the ADA is doing its part of cutting you off early. Personally, I studied for the DAT about 2-3 hours a day for two months, then eight hours a day for the four days before my test.

As for people posting scores.... take everything with a grain of salt, and realize that overachievers spend their time on this board. When you are in dental school, no one cares about your DAT. What everyone cares about are their boards because those determine what kind of practitioner you can become.

I don't see any sense in relying on SDN to prepare you for the DAT. ADA says exactly what topics will be covered. Kaplan, Topscore etc give you a structure for your own study. SDN was helpful for me in the sense that I learned I wasn't the only one stressing for the DAT, since when was SDN a study guide?? The DAT was designed to be difficult, and I'm sure it was designed to have some questions which are pretty damn hard to figure out. That's kind of the whole idea. Don't get all butt-hurt cuz you thought the test was too hard. Gimme a break.

Even though I didn't score as high as I wanted to, I wouldn't say the DAT is hard at all. I haven't even taken most of the bio classes that are prerequisuites for the DAT like physiology etc

Spent a week studying, went through a few practice exams, and came out with an average score.

I don't mean to offend you, or anyone else, but if you thought attaining a score of 17 was hard, then maybe the medical field is not right for you.

As someone mentioned above, you take what you want from the site and leave the bull out. Mostly people with good DAT scores are going to post on here. Don't compare yourself to them. Some may also bend the truth but then again, their scores should not matter to you. You focus on yourself.

If you look closely at predents you will see the average DAT scores of the members applying to dental school do not match that actual averaged DAT scores of the schools. So this means either the members of predents are playing with their DAT numbers, or only the "smart people" are posting their DAT scores. The point is that the numbers don't match.

Even though I didn't score as high as I wanted to, I wouldn't say the DAT is hard at all. I haven't even taken most of the bio classes that are prerequisuites for the DAT like physiology etc

Spent a week studying, went through a few practice exams, and came out with an average score.

I don't mean to offend you, or anyone else, but if you thought attaining a score of 17 was hard, then maybe the medical field is not right for you.



since when is physiology a prereq for the DAT? :confused:

since when is physiology a prereq for the DAT? :confused:

Sorry, prereq wasn't the right term to use. But physiology questions are on the DAT, like functions of glands, hormones, muscles, skeleton, organs, etc... All I'm implying is that the DAT should not be hard for anyone if they truely did study 8 hours a day for four months.

Easy Now. Maybe some people on here do post innacurate scores, but they sure helped me. I got a 17 last year without this site. I made an educated assesment of what was said on this site and I think that it definitely helped. I would have gotten a 17 again without the resources found here. Good luck on your retake. By the way I studied for 2 months at about 6-8 hours a day. Good luck everyone, don't let this guy stress you out. YOU CAN DO IT.

What kind of resources helped you so much?

my girlfriend talked me into taking the DAT (she's trying to get into dental school and wanted to see how i would do so she paid for it...haha)...well, i'm a biochem graduate student so i didn't think i would do too bad...anyway, i studied the section summaries in my basic science textbooks and did a few problems for a week or so and scored 19's across the board...with the exception of PAT. my gf showed me some tricks with that and i made a 22...which she said was really good...what do i know...the section summaries seemed to worked for me

Spartans! Tonight We Dine In Hell!!!!

Bring it on!!! I'm part of the deadliest fighting force in all of Asia, The Immortals!!!! LOL

Let a dead thread rest in peace! There are other threads that cover similar info that would be better to revive than this one!

Yea Im sure you got the same test. Even orgo was ridiculous right?? I mean come there is no reason to be that crazy! like all orgo 2 crazy rxns! reagents I never heard of??? did you get the afferent artery of the kidney quest?



are you talking about, if the afferent artery was clogged, would that a) increase pressure in the proximal conv. tub, b) increase pressure in bowmans capsule..etc.

If it is that dat you are talking about, you are ridiclious. I studied 1 month at about 2-4 hours a day, some days I not even studying, and i only used kaplans material, and i scored 98th% in ochem, 91% in bio, 95% gchem. Also, i am a community college student, and im 18 years old.

Also, you are a pathetic coward, what is wrong with you. What makes you think the people are faking their grades? Not like all 7000 DAT takers are posing stuff on here, only a small sample size, have you taken a statistics class mr. science?

even if ppl are faking grades...who cares? you do you and take care of yourself...
-ld

I usually steer clear of these petty “e-slap fights,” but some of the things 901predent is saying are downright false. This site has been an incredible help to me, throughout the entire application process. we must all take the things said on here with a grain of salt, and assess every statement’s validity within its context. Ultimately, I can honestly say this site has greatly improved my chances of getting into dent. school, so I hope that 901’s comments haven’t scared anyone off. also, stop trying to scare people about the dat. it's not impossible!

(now on to the personal attack)

901predent- you said, "believe it or not I did not take the test b/c I was indeed ready!"

I will personally mail $250 cash to the person that can tell me what the h*ll this means. For those of you keeping track, this is just one of the many..many...many incoherent and illogical statements posted by 901. Here’s some advice 901, stop worrying about the dat, and take about 4 grammar classes. No matter how horrific “your friend’s” score is, I guaranty it would be a highpoint in your application file, relative to the piss-poor essay you’ll put together. God help you if English isn’t your 4th language.

God help you if English isn’t your 4th language.

Yes. And may God have mercy on our immortal souls.

Mods? This thread is dead.

This thread is dead.


Agreed. Closing.