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Hope this will help.

I have seen numerous threads on this topic, most of which I disagree with based purely on the lack of factual data to support a student's conclusions about places they probably have never seen, or worked in.

Medicine departments ranks are based on general reputation and amount of research dollars/year. This provides much of the general backbone for rankings such as US News/World Reports. The fatal flaw with this approach is that residency programs and DOM are two separate entities. That being said if you want to generate those types of lists beyond a top #15, US News does break these down by medicine subspecialty all the way to #50 or so. It is easy to see by looking at the cumulative lists of subspecialties as to which programs word sort out to top #30 or so overall.

If you want to gauge residency programs and rank them, this should be based on a different set of facts. One external source of credibility pertains to programs elected to EIP status (see ACGME website). These programs are generally viewed by ACGME as having excellent track records in educating residents. The other factors of importance are track records of placement in academia and fellowship match success. Fellowship match success takes into account lots of variables such as 1) how residency training at that institution is viewed by other institutions across the country 2) previously successful residents from a given institution who have excelled in fellowship at these different places around the country

That being said, I would warn those who are interested sheerly in the rankings. Using that as a basis for residency match decisions is bound to yield an unhappy residency experience. But, it is probably not a bad place to start when screening for places one might want to apply to.

Hope that helps

This is the perfect thread for the "beating the dead horse" smilie...wish I knew it. If the OP had done the minimal amount of searching he/she would have found the thread on page 4 or 5.:thumbdown

Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Clown College Affiliated IM training program. Great program, strong research opportunities with good NIH funding I heard. Not sure exactly where it is on the list but several of my attendings who are "in the know" say it is an up and coming program and should be in the top ten in the next couple of years. Also, pretty awesome fellowship placement, I heard they once matched someone into the BWH cards program. just a thought.

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Secretary,
Please send me a copy of you keyword phrase and I'll gladly go to the trouble of "minimal amount of searching."

It's really complicated. You have to go to the search function, type "rankings" and limit your results to the Internal Medicine forum. It took me ~10 seconds and over 100 threads came up as hits.

Given your incredibly busy schedule I understand that you may not have the time or inclination to make use of our incredibly sophisticated and technically demanding search engine.

Therefore, I have provide you with a link,
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/search.php?searchid=2503135

I hope it's not too taxing for you to click on it. Good searching.

The capacity for resourcefulness is a virtue that, apparently, we're not all born with or don't put in the minimal effort to acquire or maintain. Probably the reason my mom can't use the internet and my grandmother can't program the clock on her VCR...but I love them just the same.

What is this "search" function I keep hearing about...you mean to tell me that I can look through old posts and glean info from yesteryear...that is a novel idea...I'm glad I got this here perputer for such a task...good thing I got got all my book learnin' done for the day...:scared:

It's really complicated. You have to go to the search function, type "rankings" and limit your results to the Internal Medicine forum. It took me ~10 seconds and over 100 threads came up as hits.

Given your incredibly busy schedule I understand that you may not have the time or inclination to make use of our incredibly sophisticated and technically demanding search engine.

Therefore, I have provide you with a link,
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/search.php?searchid=2503135

I hope it's not too taxing for you to click on it. Good searching.



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Thanks for the effort, but I was talking about rankings beyond the top 28 or 29, which didn't reveal itself with advanced search.

I used to try to find this stuff out, too. It turns out that the system is so fluid that you can only know this information one year at a time because of the turnover of residents, chief residents and PDs.

With the lack of any serious scutwork.com updates, we are stick with the old fashioned "I want to love in this area/region so I will check out their programs" gameplan.

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E.g. Where does a place like Jefferson fit into the discussion? Tufts? Einstein? Rush? Brown? USC? Are there big differences between all of these or are they all solidly in the middle?

Yes.

Seriously, there are big differences between these places AND they are all solidly in the middle. They will all have pluses and minuses and you won't really be able to differentiate them without going and seeing them yourself.

Hey Juicebox, One program that usually doesn;t come up in the "Top 1% IM program" threads is Ohio State. I had never heard about the place but a lot of the attendings at UW and a few of the Duke residents say it is a criminally underrated program. According to one Duke Graduate, Ohio State funnels a lot of residents to Duke's fellowship programs.