PROMPT

Why have you chosen to apply to Georgetown University School of Medicine, and how do you think your education at Georgetown will prepare you to become a physician for the future? Please note: You have a maximum of 5000 characters (about 1 single-spaced page in Times New Roman font) to complete this essay.)

Am I the only kinda excited about the idea of going to georgetown!:). I hope they give me an interview...

i hear theyre kinda selective since they get so many apps every year

Yay, I love Georgetown!

i hear theyre kinda selective since they get so many apps every year

I dont think its "selective" per say, well not any more then most schools. They are one of the few schools taht gets 10k+ apps, so i think they are really looking for people who want to go there, not people who just randomly added it for no good reason and in their 2ndary write some bs about cura personalis and cant really explain why georgetown excites them or is a good fit. At least thats what one of the med students made it seem like.

i couldn't find anything on the website except for a small mention that the secondary will open in early july.

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i couldn't find anything on the website except for a small mention that the secondary will open in early july.

yah they wont send it early it seems, though once agian they have asked the same question for a long time now, so i doubt it will change. Especially given the number of apps they recieve the the philosophy of their dean/school.

Hey Guys. Rising Georgetown M'2 here. I thought you guys might get something out of an article on Georgetown Medical Center that was published in the Georgetown University Magazine a few days ago. It's long, but has a lot of information on the happenings of the medical center. It also mentions this:

"And applications are on the rise for the School of Medicine. In 2007, there were 10,643 applications for 190 slots. For the 2008 incoming class, 11,237 applications competed for 194 slots. And for the 2009 incoming class, applications are already exceeding last year’s."

The number of apps to GUSOM keep rising each year so get your apps in early and take the secondary essay seriously! Good luck. Below is the link to the article on Georgetown's website.

http://explore.georgetown.edu/news/?ID=42253

Hey Guys. Rising Georgetown M'2 here. I thought you guys might get something out of an article on Georgetown Medical Center that was published in the Georgetown University Magazine a few days ago. It's long, but has a lot of information on the happenings of the medical center. It also mentions this:

"And applications are on the rise for the School of Medicine. In 2007, there were 10,643 applications for 190 slots. For the 2008 incoming class, 11,237 applications competed for 194 slots. And for the 2009 incoming class, applications are already exceeding last year’s."

The number of apps to GUSOM keep rising each year so get your apps in early and take the secondary essay seriously! Good luck. Below is the link to the article on Georgetown's website.

http://explore.georgetown.edu/news/?ID=42253


What's with DC schools that drive their applications through the roof?

What's with DC schools that drive their applications through the roof?
serious i dont get it. I understand why GWU is through the rough as they accept some of the lowest stats in the country for non black or PR schols. But Gtown is certainly not in that category and stat wise is pretty solid in the upper mid or so. Guess everyone loves dc?????

serious i dont get it. I understand why GWU is through the rough as they accept some of the lowest stats in the country for non black or PR schols. But Gtown is certainly not in that category and stat wise is pretty solid in the upper mid or so. Guess everyone loves dc?????

yeah this sucks. Georgetown is one of my favorites in the East.

i dont know about now but when I applied (last year), georgetown and gwu had the same exact stats for their accepted applicants

Is Georgetown a really religious school? Should I not apply there if I am atheist?

Is Georgetown a really religious school? Should I not apply there if I am atheist?

Ive been told no. Though maybe the 2nd yr med student can tell you better. The only school I know is crazy relegious and you should avoid at all costs if you are not their relegion is loma linda. They basically shove it down your throat so you being atheist should stay far far away.

i dont know about now but when I applied (last year), georgetown and gwu had the same exact stats for their accepted applicants

Gtown has a 3.7 32mcat
gwu has a 3.7 and 30 mcat

Is Georgetown a really religious school? Should I not apply there if I am atheist?
Jesuit are very open minded people. They will not teach you their history and make you go to church but they will make sure and expect you that you get a sense of their educational philosophy during your tenure. Their ideals are cura personalis (caring for the whole body) and 'men and women for others'. So they emphasize communitys service and make sure you get a well rounded education.

Jesuit are very open minded people. They will not teach you their history and make you go to church but they will make sure and expect you that you get a sense of their educational philosophy during your tenure. Their ideals are cura personalis (caring for the whole body) and 'men and women for others'. So they emphasize communitys service and make sure you get a well rounded education.

Fits my ideal.:thumbup:

Gtown has a 3.7 32mcat
gwu has a 3.7 and 30 mcat

Plus, I think the actual student stats differ more. Georgetown's matriculated class averages are the same as their accepted averages. I believe GW's matriculated class stats are lower (but I couldn't find any numbers except those mentioned in a 2007 brochure).

Plus, I think the actual student stats differ more. Georgetown's matriculated class averages are the same as their accepted averages. I believe GW's matriculated class stats are lower (but I couldn't find any numbers except those mentioned in a 2007 brochure).
you are probably right, the data in the MSAR is ridiculously inflated for some schools anyways, like case for one. But I dont think theres any real way for us to get the real data for the students enrolled at the school.

I'm excited about Georgetown. Let's get this process started!!!

the lucky 150+ students out of 11,000+ applicants will be indeed very lucky.

Is Georgetown a really religious school? Should I not apply there if I am atheist?


I am having the same reservations about G'town as you.

I can tell you right now that Georgetown is not that religious...its just an affiliation -- I go to Notre Dame and even there you would not have issues being an atheist: I have a good friend who is one. Just a comparison though, ND people harp on Georgetown for not being Catholic at all.

I agree that the school is definitely not very religious.

But the thing that Jesuits do best are service trips and I think Georgetown is #1 in this regard.

Rising 2nd year here at Georgetown offering answers to your questions and advice. Send me a PM (I usually get back to them quickly) or ask away in this thread. Good luck in the app cycle!

You guys should check out the new Georgetown School of Medicine website. It's very sleek! :D Much easier on the eyes than the old website and easier to navigate.

Hey everyone, I wrote this last year for the Georgetown forum when someone asked a question regarding the fact that Georgetown is a Jesuit school. I hope it helps answer any questions:

I just graduated from Gtown undegrad and was accepted into the med school as well (but going somewhere else). So this reply really goes to everyone wondering about Georgetown being a Jesuit institution. I am Jewish and loved attending Georgetown. Yes it is a Jesuit school, but that has never meant it has been told or implied that I need to be Catholic. The only conflict that I know with Gtown being a Jesuit institutions is that abortions are not preformed on campus. However, the procedure is still taught and explained in the needs of a medical education (with no religious ideologies attached). If your personal faith (whatever that is) differs from the Gtown, thats fine. Really the idea behind being a Jesuits institution is cura personalis or care of the whole person. And if you believe that, Georgetown is a great place.

Quick question here (esp for blackbird and Elijah):

What do you guys mean by saying some MSAR MCAT averages are inflated? I guess I assumed that the averages in the book were the average for a recent matriculating class. Where are the inflated numbers coming from, then, and what do they represent?

Thanks!

Quick question here (esp for blackbird and Elijah):

What do you guys mean by saying some MSAR MCAT averages are inflated? I guess I assumed that the averages in the book were the average for a recent matriculating class. Where are the inflated numbers coming from, then, and what do they represent?

Thanks!

The is how an adcom basically explained it to me. Anyone whos accepted is counted in those numbers, its not matriculant data. So for example, there are quite a number of people (even on SDN) who have say a 4.0 and 36+ MCAT. If this person is accepted at 8 different schools, hes counted in the GPA and MCAT data for all 8 schools hes accepted to in the MSAR. Therefore the students who are academic robots with sick stats are inflating all stats in all schools for the MSAR purposes. So for basically all schools you can assume that the data is actually lower as its counting non-matriculants, not to mention the people who come in off the waitlist at the end of the year are not calculated into the data. Another example is with case western, the MSAR shows they did not accept anyone with a less then 32 mcat. But the dean told me herself that is NOT true and they have and will accept people with <32mcat.

^Gotcha, that makes complete sense now. Thanks!

anyone received a secondary yet? I haven't.

anyone received a secondary yet? I haven't.
not I but im sure its coming soon.

just got the email for the secondary!

here's what the opening page says--seems to me like they're trying to discourage secondary applications:

"Dear caniac:

Your interest in Georgetown University School of Medicine is appreciated.

Our Secondary Application information is released to all applicants for whom our office has received a verified AMCAS Application to inform them of our general review criteria and admissions process. Your application has not been reviewed at this time. We ask that you consider the following information before submitting the Secondary Application and non-refundable application fee.

The Committee on Admissions carefully reviews all completed applications. At the same time, it must establish academic criteria to reduce the volume of seriously considered applications to a manageable number. The following information is provided to help you judge your competitiveness.

Those invited for interview generally present a mean science Grade Point Average (GPA) of 3.6 and mean Medical College Admission Test (MCAT) scores of 10 for each subtest. Those considered competitive after interview have roughly the same academic credentials, stronger recommendations, and a more positive interview evaluation than those rejected after interview. Those accepted generally present a slightly higher mean science GPA and mean MCAT.

For the 2008 entering class, 11,237 applicants applied and 1,158 were interviewed. The applicants who enrolled had the following characteristics: mean science GPA, 3.66; mean MCAT, verbal 10.12, physical 10.75, biological 11.01; undergraduate major, 52 percent in the biological sciences, 16 percent in the physical sciences, 9 percent in social sciences, 23 percent in various humanities and other majors; gender, 48 percent women, 52 percent men.

Please review both (a) the 2010 Guide to Application and (b) the Technical Standards for Admissions & Graduation prior to completing our Secondary Application.

Most of our students need credit-based educational loans from private lenders or institutional loans. It is Georgetown's obligation to carefully manage these resources and to protect the University's access to all sources of support by maintaining an acceptable default rate. This protects both current and future borrowers. For this reason, Georgetown University School of Medicine requires all accepted students to submit a current credit report as a prerequisite for matriculation. Accepted students who do not meet established criteria with regard to their credit record (described in the Policies and Procedures) will be counseled, may not be eligible for Georgetown institutional aid, and, under some circumstances, may be required to defer their matriculation for one year to improve their credit rating." "

Question: Why have you chosen to apply to Georgetown University School of Medicine, and how do you think your education at Georgetown will prepare you to become a physician for the future? Please note: You have a maximum of 5000 characters (about 1 single-spaced page in Times New Roman font) to complete this essay.)

yay i got it too!!:)

this is like my #1 OOS choice...too bad my app will get lost in 13000 others haha...I love their secondary set up though...creighton uses the same and i think mcw did too? Either way its so much easier then all the other stupid ones like BU-_-...all schools should use it :)

Also i dont think they are trying to discourage secondaries as much as probably 35% of all medical school applicants apply here. I think they just want to let people know its not some random safety school like people seem to think it is? It seems like every applicant will throw on GWU, gtown, and drexel for funsies ;)

Is anyone else having problems with the link? it keeps booting me to a "find schools" website. And if anyone is kind enough to paste the link in here it would be awesome, thanks.

me too!

i find it amusing that in the email, they say that if the link doesn't appear to work, copy and paste it into the browser, and they recommend using firefox. meanwhile, the login screen says the secondary site is designed for use with explorer :laugh:

Is anyone else having problems with the link? it keeps booting me to a "find schools" website. And if anyone is kind enough to paste the link in here it would be awesome, thanks.
Did u copy and paste the link? Mine didnt work until i did that.

Is anyone else having problems with the link? it keeps booting me to a "find schools" website. And if anyone is kind enough to paste the link in here it would be awesome, thanks.

NVM, I got it working lol.

That makes three of us :)

that's so weird... I got a different email that referenced the class of 2013:

EDIT: oh haha what was posted above was on the main page, not a different email.... my bad :D

I got the same one as you FML

I had the smae thing fml i dont think its a big deal. With 13000 (probably more this year) apps to send out there are bound to be mixups. How are 2ndaries coming along for you? I almost regret a bit doing what we did ahha...this **** is killing me. :p I already decided to not fill out my 1st one :(...like 15/44 done with one rejection already ahah

$130?!?

Anyone else having a problem putting in the payment? It keeps on declining me....there isn't anything wrong with my card or anything. :(

$130?!?

no way, tell me it's a joke.

Anyone else having a problem putting in the payment? It keeps on declining me....there isn't anything wrong with my card or anything. :(

It keeps declining mine as well. Both of my cards were good, but no luck.

no way, tell me it's a joke.
most expensive in the country...in fact im noticing the schools that get a crapload of apps tend to have really high fees...maybe they want to discourage people ahah...

most expensive in the country...in fact im noticing the schools that get a crapload of apps tend to have really high fees...maybe they want to discourage people ahah...

GW- 125
AECOM- 120
gtown-130.

Ridiculous.:laugh:

I might as well just start flushing $20 bills down the toilet.

I might as well just start flushing $20 bills down the toilet.

wow what a good idea! It would take much less time to do it that way than to fill out the secondary applications:)

grrr the wording on this secondary makes me a bit worried.. i have a 3.7+ with more than 10 in PS and BS but my VR is wayy below 10! soooo is 130$ gonna be a waste of money here? do you think there is a cut off?!


The Committee on Admissions carefully reviews all completed applications. At the same time, it must establish academic criteria to reduce the volume of seriously considered applications to a manageable number. The following information is provided to help you judge your competitiveness.

Those invited for interview generally present a mean science Grade Point Average (GPA) of 3.6 and mean Medical College Admission Test (MCAT) scores of 10 for each subtest. Those considered competitive after interview have roughly the same academic credentials, stronger recommendations, and a more positive interview evaluation than those rejected after interview. Those accepted generally present a slightly higher mean science GPA and mean MCAT.

grrr the wording on this secondary makes me a bit worried.. i have a 3.7+ with more than 10 in PS and BS but my VR is wayy below 10! soooo is 130$ gonna be a waste of money here? do you think there is a cut off?!


no guts no glory--I have pretty terrible stats, but it's not stopping me from trying :)

grrr the wording on this secondary makes me a bit worried.. i have a 3.7+ with more than 10 in PS and BS but my VR is wayy below 10! soooo is 130$ gonna be a waste of money here? do you think there is a cut off?!



They accept lower mcat peeps all the time, their average is only a 32 (lower in reality). I wouldnt worry. I have a 9 verbal im still applying. You never know :shrug:

thanks guys =) i am going to go all the way with it (although ill be broke after its all over).. my stats are lower than both of you, i have a 28R with a 6 in verbal, the rest of my application is solid and I am also disadvantaged! i really hope they dont have a cut off and they get to see the rest of my application :xf:

Has anyone been able to get the fee system to work yet?

thanks guys =) i am going to go all the way with it (although ill be broke after its all over).. my stats are lower than both of you, i have a 28R with a 6 in verbal, the rest of my application is solid and I am also disadvantaged! i really hope they dont have a cut off and they get to see the rest of my application :xf:
well you never know right? I mean if it makes you feel better i have a 29 and am also disadvantaged, i still applied. Maybe we both will get in or maybe we wont lol. Or maybe we both will have a million rejections between us and left crying at the end:meanie: I stopped worrying about my mcat a while ago and just decided to see where it goes and retake next cycle if necesary

well you never know right? I mean if it makes you feel better i have a 29 and am also disadvantaged, i still applied. Maybe we both will get in or maybe we wont lol. Or maybe we both will have a million rejections between us and left crying at the end:meanie: I stopped worrying about my mcat a while ago and just decided to see where it goes and retake next cycle if necesary

Thanks Elijah! i kinda forgot about my mcat too after i got verified and the whole process started! but gtown just had to remind me today :cry:

good luck to u this cycle and lets prove that its not all about numbers (or hope we do) ;)

WHY WON'T THEY ACCEPT MY MONEY?

keeps saying credit card declined

Just got this one. Wow, that's expensive.

WHY WON'T THEY ACCEPT MY MONEY?

keeps saying credit card declined

LOL. It's like, here I'm trying to give you money, take it! And gtown is like, no, we don't want it.:laugh:

130?? this is seriously making me think about withdrawing. you'd think they'd be willing to charge less considering how many people apply..:thumbdown

130?? this is seriously making me think about withdrawing. you'd think they'd be willing to charge less considering how many people apply..:thumbdown

seriously!! & i thought paying 1000+ for AMCAS was painful :(

seriously!! & i thought paying 1000+ for AMCAS was painful :(

on top of that, what got me was the cost of living in the georgetown info PDF: $70,000 :eek:

I might not actually finish this one...I'd looked at the previous projected cost of living, etc, but must have blocked it from my mind because my jaw dropped at that figure.

Definitely not the cheapest place to apply, interview, or go to--but I am looking at this whole interview process as a chance to finally go on vacation because for the last two years I haven't had a chance to travel further than 45 minutes from the lab! :)

Goodluck everyone!

Definitely not the cheapest place to apply, interview, or go to--but I am looking at this whole interview process as a chance to finally go on vacation because for the last two years I haven't had a chance to travel further than 45 minutes from the lab! :)

Goodluck everyone!
agreed :D

agreed :D

Why have you chosen to apply to Georgetown University School of Medicine, and how do you think your education at Georgetown will prepare you to become a physician for the future? Please note: You have a maximum of 5000 characters (about 1 single-spaced page in Times New Roman font) to complete this essay.)

Wow, that prompt is taking forever for me to write.

I hope they really dont want a 5000 char essay. Its almost personal statement over again.

I hope they really dont want a 5000 char essay. Its almost personal statement over again.

haha me too, if that's what they want they are not getting it from me! I'll be lucky if I can get it to half a page

this is probably one of the toughest secondaries so far. and i thought chicago was rough lol

this is probably one of the toughest secondaries so far. and i thought chicago was rough lol

I don't like the second part of their question.

idk...I personally prefer these longer, open-ended essays versus the short, cram everything you can into 250 characters or 4 lines. I look at these big ones as my time to shine and to highlight every good quality about myself...lol. I also write a lot, so perhaps I am biased...

I just typed up my response to their prompt on Word and it told me I was at around 4900 characters (with spaces), but when I entered it into the Gtown app it says I have 5700 characters. I've double-checked and their estimate seems to be waaay off, but I don't want to certify if they're going to chop off some of my essay. Is this happening to anyone else? Pretty weeeiird, hope it doesn't mean my Word is wrong.

I just typed up my response to their prompt on Word and it told me I was at around 4900 characters (with spaces), but when I entered it into the Gtown app it says I have 5700 characters. I've double-checked and their estimate seems to be waaay off, but I don't want to certify if they're going to chop off some of my essay. Is this happening to anyone else? Pretty weeeiird, hope it doesn't mean my Word is wrong.
did u count spaces?

did u count spaces?

Yep. I guess I'll just cut it down to play it safe.

5000 characters is a lot to write. i have to do this in addition to the 6 the i received within the last 2 days. *sigh*

I just typed up my response to their prompt on Word and it told me I was at around 4900 characters (with spaces), but when I entered it into the Gtown app it says I have 5700 characters. I've double-checked and their estimate seems to be waaay off, but I don't want to certify if they're going to chop off some of my essay. Is this happening to anyone else? Pretty weeeiird, hope it doesn't mean my Word is wrong.

Their character count was exactly what I expected. Might want to check on that so your other essays don't get cut off...

Submitted. This secondary was all right.

Submitted. This secondary was all right.

wow nice blue you are so fast with these things!!! im currently sitting on 6 of them and i have today and tomorrow off! i have a feeling ill only get 2 of them done this week if im lucky =/

r u working on your secondaries full time?!

I know I'm not being asked, but I am currently working on them full time and send my condolences to those who have to work alongside this process

wow nice blue you are so fast with these things!!! im currently sitting on 6 of them and i have today and tomorrow off! i have a feeling ill only get 2 of them done this week if im lucky =/

r u working on your secondaries full time?!

Nah, not full time, I have other things going on too. I just gave up on all the other fun stuff I should be doing on summers.:(

im planning some vacations alongside too not that im not stressed enough as it is but i figured i wont have time to do that later and i need a balance ;)

it takes me a while to get my secondary essays proofread, r u guys doing that or not so much?!

im planning some vacations alongside too not that im not stressed enough as it is but i figured i wont have time to do that later and i need a balance ;)

it takes me a while to get my secondary essays proofread, r u guys doing that or not so much?!

Haha. I just write, read it once, copy and paste, read it again, and then boom, it's off.

Same, but I may have the girlfriend or a friend read over the essays with more actual content to them.

Haha. I just write, read it once, copy and paste, read it again, and then boom, it's off.
same here, i had them pre written so theres not a lot for me to do on them typically, though any UC or USC secondary i will have proofread by a few people to make sure they are awesome. I dont want to take any chances on the cali schools.

Haha. I just write, read it once, copy and paste, read it again, and then boom, it's off.

That's my process exactly too. Sometimes I'll sleep on the longer ones because when I wake up I can usually identify something really stupid that I thought was brilliant the night before.

Submitted. This secondary was all right.

over-achiever!!!!!

wow nice blue you are so fast with these things!!! im currently sitting on 6 of them and i have today and tomorrow off! i have a feeling ill only get 2 of them done this week if im lucky =/

r u working on your secondaries full time?!

i'm sitting on 6 too!!! summer school started on monday so i'm really falling behind. must...beat...BlueElmo!!! :D

over-achiever!!!!!



i'm sitting on 6 too!!! summer school started on monday so i'm really falling behind. must...beat...BlueElmo!!! :D

he's flying through them, its gonna be tough!! but LETS ;)

over-achiever!!!!!



i'm sitting on 6 too!!! summer school started on monday so i'm really falling behind. must...beat...BlueElmo!!! :D

he's flying through them, its gonna be tough!! but LETS ;)

Yeah, you guys are gonna beat me.:)

Submitted this bad boy earlier today...I absolutely love this school!!! I just hope they like me enough to invite down to pay them a lil' visit in a few months :xf:

Submitted this bad boy earlier today...I absolutely love this school!!! I just hope they like me enough to invite down to pay them a lil' visit in a few months :xf:

Ditto :xf:

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Hi all. I'm a Georgetown undergrad and let me tell you...Gtown is one of the funnest, most beautiful campuses with beautiful people all over and breakthrough medical and scientific advancements all the time. I mean, a few months ago, President Obama came to campus to give a lecture on the state of the economy for CNN (got to see him live) and a few years back Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger gave an open lecture on the campus front lawn. Also, this place is always happening. The fun parts of DC are literally a 10 minute walk from campus and you can reach the most happening spot in DC, Adams Morgan, in like 7 minutes by taxi. So if you want a great medical education and have a fun life while doing it as well as matching into some of the best residencies, Georgetown is the place to do it. Good luck!:thumbup:

Hi all. I'm a Georgetown undergrad and let me tell you...Gtown is one of the funnest, most beautiful campuses with beautiful people all over and breakthrough medical and scientific advancements all the time. I mean, a few months ago, President Obama came to campus to give a lecture on the state of the economy for CNN (got to see him live) and a few years back Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger gave an open lecture on the campus front lawn. Also, this place is always happening. The fun parts of DC are literally a 10 minute walk from campus and you can reach the most happening spot in DC, Adams Morgan, in like 7 minutes by taxi. So if you want a great medical education and have a fun life while doing it as well as matching into some of the best residencies, Georgetown is the place to do it. Good luck!:thumbup:

Yeah I am definitely crossing my fingers for an interview :xf:

I love Georgetown's location in general. DC is where I want to get involve in health care policies. Hope I land an interview.

Well, if anyone is as crazy as I am and working on GT's secondary, their site is down FYI...

double post... whoops!

It's good to see some of the familiar faces in different secondary threads.

I'm just wondering how long are you guys making this essay to be. I feel like 5000 characters are a bit absurd. they can't possible actually want people to write close to that limit right? Writing why i love mount sinai in 200 words or less was actually harder than i thought, but i still feel like 3000 characters are around good range. How are people approaching this?

It's good to see some of the familiar faces in different secondary threads.

I'm just wondering how long are you guys making this essay to be. I feel like 5000 characters are a bit absurd. they can't possible actually want people to write close to that limit right? Writing why i love mount sinai in 200 words or less was actually harder than i thought, but i still feel like 3000 characters are around good range. How are people approaching this?
Length doesnt matter, I talked to a current student he said some people write like 1000 characters others write 5000, both are still equally accepted after interviews. Just write the truth, and write why you are interested, length does not matter at all. For me I really love g town and there were several reasons as to why I wanted to go, therefore mine was about 4000. Remember though concise is good. No one wants to read 5000 worth of BS about cura personalis or some other overdone topic. If you write 2000 characters and you said why you are interested, then you are done.

Length doesnt matter, I talked to a current student he said some people write like 1000 characters others write 5000, both are still equally accepted after interviews. Just write the truth, and write why you are interested, length does not matter at all. For me I really love g town and there were several reasons as to why I wanted to go, therefore mine was about 4000. Remember though concise is good. No one wants to read 5000 worth of BS about cura personalis or some other overdone topic. If you write 2000 characters and you said why you are interested, then you are done.

:thumbup: :thumbup:
mine was about 3400.

Length should never be an issue in these types of practically open-ended questions. Write what you mean and write it well. Do not BS just because you feel you have to fill up the entire space.

I agree with Elijah and FML. quality>quantity.

if your essay wasn't about cura personalis, i think you did something wrong.

if your essay wasn't about cura personalis, i think you did something wrong.

Yeah, I mentioned cura personalis. Whew.

if your essay wasn't about cura personalis, i think you did something wrong.
ahah i remember the student i asked said like 80% of all essays have this.

ahah i remember the student i asked said like 80% of all essays have this.
I bet the other 20% get all the interviews ;)

I bet the other 20% get all the interviews ;)
haha seriously...i actually wrote like 5 sentances on cura personalis just to touch base...then i spent the next 2 paragraphs on other reasons as to why i love g town. Figured id touch all bases that way :p. It was recommended to me that I do not focus too heavily on cura personalis.

I bet the other 20% get all the interviews ;)

haha, thanks :cool:

I'm probably just going to add in somewhere that "oh and of course, one cannot discuss Georgetown without mentioning cura personalis..." If you admit that it's cliche, it takes the edge off, haha.

do you guys have a problem with the preview and your essay showing up as 1 big paragraph?

do you guys have a problem with the preview and your essay showing up as 1 big paragraph?

yeah, but I don't think it's a big deal.

got the complete email this morning.

got an email stating that i'm complete. who's playing the waiting game with me?

got an email stating that i'm complete. who's playing the waiting game with me?
me:)

Complete email here too.

Complete email here too.

Yeah I am not complete because I added another LOR that isn't turned in yet :(

My email said they had my application materials and that another email would be sent when the file was "complete"

My email said they had my application materials and that another email would be sent when the file was "complete"

Yes, this was my email also. Do you have an LOR not in?

Yes, this was my email also. Do you have an LOR not in?

All of them have been in since the middle of May

All of them have been in since the middle of May
I got my complete email shortly after that email, i wouldnt worry too much, remember this is the school that gets like the 2nd most apps in the nation.

hey elijah, seems like we're applying to a lot of the same schools and we're both CA residents. hope to see you on the interview trail!

yeah, my second email was received like 2 minutes after the first one.

hey elijah, seems like we're applying to a lot of the same schools and we're both CA residents. hope to see you on the interview trail!
i think all cali residents apply to mostly the same schools:laugh:. but good luck im sure ill end up seeing a few of the cali residents on here. Hopefully we all get into a UC!!:p

if your essay wasn't about cura personalis, i think you did something wrong.

You know, i was just looking back at my essay from last year when I applied. I made no mention of cura personalis in my essay, and was interviewed and accepted. But I discovered at my interview that Gtown wasn't for me.

I think that in retrospect, I realize that if your essay isn't about cura personalis, gtown may not be the right place for you.

You know, i was just looking back at my essay from last year when I applied. I made no mention of cura personalis in my essay, and was interviewed and accepted. But I discovered at my interview that Gtown wasn't for me.

I think that in retrospect, I realize that if your essay isn't about cura personalis, gtown may not be the right place for you.

I don't know if that is necessarily true. Georgetown's interview day wasn't centered around cura personalis and I didn't feel like their medical education was that much different from the standard. But in the end, i also didn't think georgetown was for me :p

When did you guys get secondaries for GTown? I turned in my primaries 12 days ago, haven't been verified yet though. I got 2 other secondaries, but not one from here :-(

When did you guys get secondaries for GTown? I turned in my primaries 12 days ago, haven't been verified yet though. I got 2 other secondaries, but not one from here :-(

Got it last week.

how is cura personalis so different from a typical altruistic definition of medicine?

i'm not writing about it in my essay for sure cuz that's the obvious route clearly. even if you talk about the same thing, being trite is meh.

but i'm just curious because of "I think that in retrospect, I realize that if your essay isn't about cura personalis, gtown may not be the right place for you."

i don't understand the relevance

cura personalis is a jesuit concept of treating the whole person, and not just the disease. altruism is more about selflessness.

so, altruism does not necessarily equal cura personalis.

ok i see the distinction, tho there does seem to be some attitudinal overlap.

ok i see the distinction, tho there does seem to be some attitudinal overlap.

yup, definitely. i agree.

anyone else having trouble paying right now?

I'm not going to smoke my own sausage on this one... I'm going to go out on a limb and explicitely state that I won't talk about those subjects :)

anyone else having trouble paying right now?


I am having trouble paying SLU, Creighton and Georgetown right now

anyone else having trouble paying right now?

ive been having trouble paying with credit card too...and it seems some other poeple are having the same problem...this sucks!

it keeps saying 'server error'

i havent even started this one yet :scared:

I haven't even started this one yet. It's my last secondary to do and writing 5000 characters is a lot. Should I talk about cura personalis or mention religion?

I haven't even started this one yet. It's my last secondary to do and writing 5000 characters is a lot. Should I talk about cura personalis or mention religion?

last of all secondaries? niiice i still have a while to catch up and there is no way i am reaching 5000 characters here, but its a max so i think its ok if you use less than that!

as for the religious-ness i would like to know too :)

Being a Catholic, I'm glad I don't have to worry about religious affiliations of these Jesuit schools.

I'm not going to smoke my own sausage on this one... I'm going to go out on a limb and explicitely state that I won't talk about those subjects :)

hahahha

I just typed up my response to their prompt on Word and it told me I was at around 4900 characters (with spaces), but when I entered it into the Gtown app it says I have 5700 characters. I've double-checked and their estimate seems to be waaay off, but I don't want to certify if they're going to chop off some of my essay. Is this happening to anyone else? Pretty weeeiird, hope it doesn't mean my Word is wrong.
this happened to me as well, in word my characters with spaces is 4,796 but on the georgetown application it says 9193... not sure what is going on.

this happened to me as well, in word my characters with spaces is 4,796 but on the georgetown application it says 9193... not sure what is going on.
I think their counter is wrong cause i copied and pasted way short paragraphs in there and it still gave me an outrageous character count... do you think i should submit my essay anyways

Paste into notepad (TextEdit works in OSX), then paste into your browser... you'll like the results :thumbup:

still error message on the payment site....i've been trying to submit this for like three days now.

still error message on the payment site....i've been trying to submit this for like three days now.

call them.

I got the secondary on 7/8/2009, submitted on 7/14/2008, but have yet to hear if I'm complete or not. I know, I know, it's only been a few days since I submitted, but it totally feels like forever.

Finally, got the complete email. It took about two days after I got my last LOR in.

I just got my complete email too. I submitted on 7/15 and received the complete email today 7/21 :D

Sent! Most expensive one so far :( If you want to read a unique intro to their essay, PM me

Sent! Most expensive one so far :( If you want to read a unique intro to their essay, PM me

I make it a point not to even think about the application anymore once I submit. It just makes me angry when I figure out that I messed up on something.

I make it a point not to even think about the application anymore once I submit. It just makes me angry when I figure out that I messed up on something.

This. I only check my status.

This. I only check my status.

True... but I don't look at the app or think about the essays anymore

Hey Everyone,

I will be starting at Georgetown this fall and I am super excited. I wanted to wish you all the best luck with application cycle. Georgetown is a great and unique school. I was blown away when I interviewed.

Before my interview I had all the same hesitations that you all seem to be showing:

- Is it really religious: No, I was apprehensive at first but found it to be very open minded and patient oriented. They are accepting of all religions and really only preach to care for one another.

- Georgetown is on of the few top 40 schools that is not number crazy. They seem to reject alot of 3.9+ / 35+ MCAT. I think they would rather see certain personal traits than a number score. This is main reason for having an MCAT average of 32.

- The Cost of Attendance - it is a lot, not way around it. However, Georgetown was very good about giving away grants and scholarships. I know that i some free aide as well as many other people.

- If you get an interview... you control you own destiny, if you want to be accepted you will.

- for the secondary mine was only 2,200 characters. it is deff quality of quantity. Be passionate about why you want to go there. I know is hard to say that now because you really have never seen the school but try to find a real reason. Also, they love aulterism.

Well if anyone has specific question feel free to PM me.

GOOD LUCK

Hey Everyone,

I will be starting at Georgetown this fall and I am super excited. I wanted to wish you all the best luck with application cycle. Georgetown is a great and unique school. I was blown away when I interviewed.

Hey GolgMustang07,

I've been following you're posts on the georgetown threads. Sorry about the U. Maryland waitlst, I was rooting for you. I hope Gtown was a little generous with their aid for you. Glad that you are exciting about being a Hoya. If you have any questions about first year, drop a PM.

Hey [Insert You're Name Here]

Glad that you are exciting about being a Hoya. If you have any questions about first year, drop a PM.

The above applies to any Class of 2013 Hoyas.

Is the word "holistic" to radical to describe Georgetown in my secondary? I basically said that I hope to take a more "hoslistic" view of medicine as a physician.

you want holisitic? go for DO man

you want holisitic? go for DO man
I'm not saying I want holistic, but based off what I read about them:Georgetown medical experience is centered in cura personalis -- care for the whole person, the psychological, spiritual and social as well as physical well being of the person and a dedication to the care of others and the health needs of our society.
It seems like a more holistic appraoch. Holistic not the best way to describe this. I guess i'm having vocab difficulties right now. lol

I'm not saying I want holistic, but based off what I read about them:
It seems like a more holistic appraoch. Holistic not the best way to describe this. I guess i'm having vocab difficulties right now. lol
Im not sure the exact definition of holisitc, but the big thing is treating the whole person, this includes spiritual, socioeconomic factors, psychological etc. I would maybe say more something along those lines then "holistic." hopefully one of the 2 gtown students can chime in here :)

The literal definition of holistic is EXACTLY what Georgetown describes. A holistic practice of medicine is one that treats a person physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually, which is what it says right on their website.

However, because Eastern medicine and people like chiropractors have used "holistic" to describe their style of practice, the word has become stigmatized to refer to medicine practiced by people without an MD. You should either refine your definition of holistic in your essay, or just paraphrase it.

you want holisitic? go for DO man

What's holistic have to do with DO, chump? You ever been to one? You even do your homework? Best doctor I've ever been to was a DO that performed a septoplasty and turbinate reduction.

Any agnostic/atheists applying to this school? I like the idea of cura personalis, but I am definately concerned about including praying in the medical treatment... I read earlier that this is not a truly religious school; however, they are listed as a Jesuit Catholic School

Any agnostic/atheists applying to this school? I like the idea of cura personalis, but I am definately concerned about including praying in the medical treatment... I read earlier that this is not a truly religious school; however, they are listed as a Jesuit Catholic School

where did you hear they include prayer as a medical treatment?

where did you hear they include prayer as a medical treatment?

I did not hear that anywhere, I was being somewhat facetious... I am curious because when I began researching cura personalis, it seemed to indicate, as many others have discussed, a holisitic approach to treatment. My major concern being, spiritual treatment.

I did not hear that anywhere, I was being somewhat facetious... I am curious because when I began researching cura personalis, it seemed to indicate, as many others have discussed, a holisitic approach to treatment. My major concern being, spiritual treatment.
you seem excessively against anything even resembling relegion. I would say its best to stay away from this school. Prayer is not included in their teachings (As far as i know) but i think someone who feels the way you do would just feel uncomfortable there. Probably best to stay away. Theres onlt 4 jesuit schools and 1 heavily religious SDA school, so you dont have to worry too much.

you seem excessively against anything even resembling relegion. I would say its best to stay away from this school. Prayer is not included in their teachings (As far as i know) but i think someone who feels the way you do would just feel uncomfortable there. Probably best to stay away. Theres onlt 4 jesuit schools and 1 heavily religious SDA school, so you dont have to worry too much.

I am not "excessively" against anything resembling religion. However, I am opposed to many of the doctrines that were taught in my particular church growing up. That is, evolution is false, global warming is false, etc. I just am concerned about mixing faith with science. If any students of georgetown can chime in, I would appreciate it.

By the way, I happen to be Christian, I just honestly believe science and religion should be kept separate. I asked for atheist/agnostic response because I am interested to see if this is a discriminating school. We can get into my religious beliefs if you are interested.

The extent to which Georgetown demands faith from its physicians is that they believe that there is a spiritual aspect to people which must be healed along with their physical self. If that bothers you, don't apply to the school. They will not shove God down your throat and they will not require you to pray for your patients.

I am an agnostic, although I appreciate the Bible as a book of teachings that, when read appropriately, can provide people with guidance to live fulfilling, altruistic lives. Provided that Georgetown pays more attention to the spirit of its words than the literal interpretations that somehow make it acceptable to hate people because of their sexual orientations and whatnot...I have no problems attending a religious university.

Aggro, thank you for the input! I don't mind necessarily catering to spiritual needs... to an extent. Also, my concern is bigotry (i.e., anti muslim, jewish, etc.) at the school. Its not that the school would condone such actions, but many catholics/christians are bigots (but then again, the ones I have met are not in medical school). I have just had bad experiences with ignorant christians. If Georgetown would accept muslim (the whole get up included) then I would feel comfortable applying... Anyone know any muslims at Georgetown?

Tjquinn

The extent to which Georgetown demands faith from its physicians is that they believe that there is a spiritual aspect to people which must be healed along with their physical self. If that bothers you, don't apply to the school. They will not shove God down your throat and they will not require you to pray for your patients.

I am an agnostic, although I appreciate the Bible as a book of teachings that, when read appropriately, can provide people with guidance to live fulfilling, altruistic lives. Provided that Georgetown pays more attention to the spirit of its words than the literal interpretations that somehow make it acceptable to hate people because of their sexual orientations and whatnot...I have no problems attending a religious university.

I can assure you that religion has no presence whatsoever in student life. In terms of our curriculum, religion is only brought up a few times in our ethics class. Never again.

Aggro, thank you for the input! I don't mind necessarily catering to spiritual needs... to an extent. Also, my concern is bigotry (i.e., anti muslim, jewish, etc.) at the school. Its not that the school would condone such actions, but many catholics/christians are bigots (but then again, the ones I have met are not in medical school). I have just had bad experiences with ignorant christians. If Georgetown would accept muslim (the whole get up included) then I would feel comfortable applying... Anyone know any muslims at Georgetown?

Tjquinn

I know of several jewish and muslim students. I have noticed bigotry, but I have to admit that I wouldn't be hanging out with that kind of crown in the first place. Georgetown is the most accepting of any religious school out there, bar none.

I know of several jewish and muslim students. I have noticed bigotry, but I have to admit that I wouldn't be hanging out with that kind of crown in the first place. Georgetown is the most accepting of any religious school out there, bar none.

Thanks for the info, I think I will go ahead and do the secondary. Hopefully there will not be any bigots if I go there.

Thanks for the info, I think I will go ahead and do the secondary. Hopefully there will not be any bigots if I go there.

There will always be people you don't agree with anywhere... I'm sure there will be some type or another no matter where you head.

I know of several jewish and muslim students. I have NOT noticed bigotry, but I have to admit that I wouldn't be hanging out with that kind of crown in the first place. Georgetown is the most accepting of any religious school out there, bar none.

HAH, wow I totally messed that one up. I'm really being honest when I haven't SEEN bigotry. It is certainly another thing for it to exist somewhere in closes quarters. Sorry for the confusion.

"Sunday Mass and Protestant worship are held each week in other campus chapels. Jewish students gather for Shabbat services and dinner at the Jewish Student Center, 1316 36th Street NW. Muslim students meet each week for prayer in Copley Hall on the ground floor adjacent to the Crypt Chapel."-- http://som.georgetown.edu/prospectivestudents/experience/religiouslife/

th286,

Thank you for doing the work for me! That was basically what I was looking for. Thanks again

So, who else dislikes writing a paper about why you want to go to a school? I mean, don't get me wrong, I am actually excited about some of their programs and such, but its almost as long as the personal statement...

This school's secondary is killing me. I received this 2+ weeks ago and still procrastinating. why me?

This school's secondary is killing me. I received this 2+ weeks ago and still procrastinating. why me?

same here, im approaching 3 weeks but screened secondaries get priorities :p

Fianlly submitted this thing this morning. yes I wake up early just to do my secondary. lame...I know.:)

Fianlly submitted this thing this morning. yes I wake up early just to do my secondary. lame...I know.:)

Lol, the things we do to get in!

Fianlly submitted this thing this morning. yes I wake up early just to do my secondary. lame...I know.:)

10:20 am - you must have woken up at like 8! I think I go to sleep at like 8. lol

Lol, the things we do to get in!

10:20 am - you must have woken up at like 8! I think I go to sleep at like 8. lol

I'm a typical SDN premed. :D

I worked on this yesterdat night and finished it in the morning.

So, who else dislikes writing a paper about why you want to go to a school? I mean, don't get me wrong, I am actually excited about some of their programs and such, but its almost as long as the personal statement...

I like writing these essays. It forces me to actually get to know the schools I am applying to. Initially, I picked a variety of schools based on statistics. Consequently, I applied to Georgetown without even knowing it was founded on Ignatius of Loyola's Jesuit beliefs (BTW, anyone read Meditations by Descartes?). So, when I started to research this school, with the help of some of the members on this board, I discovered I really like their approach to medicine.

anyone read Meditations by Descartes?

No. lol.

Hey guys. You're resident Georgetown Med student here. I found an interesting article about a graduate who is a physician half of the year and a professional musician the rest of the year. Interesting read.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Weekend/story?id=8061620&page=1

No. lol.

Now now Camaras, meditations is nothing to scoff at. This text is incredibly accesible and profoundly interesting. Given the philosophical nature of GUSOM, I think everyone should read it...

Now now Camaras, meditations is nothing to scoff at. This text is incredibly accesible and profoundly interesting. Given the philosophical nature of GUSOM, I think everyone should read it...

lol i was just teasing! but yeah, still not going to read it :p

Fianlly submitted this thing this morning. yes I wake up early just to do my secondary. lame...I know.:)

nice! i woke up at 6:30 then went back to sleep at 8:45 but i still didnt finish anything all the way this weekend! and i thought mcat was bad, these secondaries are killing me! i officially have no summer :(

how long did you guys make this one? i have less than 3000 and really cant think anymore..

how long did you guys make this one? i have less than 3000 and really cant think anymore..
Ive said this before but, length doesnt matter for any essay period, concise = good and bs = rejected. Just say whats true and what you have to and leave it at that. Accepted students have written one paragraph, to 5000 characters. Mine was a little over a page when i wrote mine i think it was close ot the max, but only because there are several reasons i want to go to gtown and its one of my top OOS choices, hopefully i let that be know.

Ive said this before but, length doesnt matter for any essay period, concise = good and bs = rejected. Just say whats true and what you have to and leave it at that. Accepted students have written one paragraph, to 5000 characters. Mine was a little over a page when i wrote mine i think it was close ot the max, but only because there are several reasons i want to go to gtown and its one of my top OOS choices, hopefully i let that be know.

:thumbup: I made mine 2 paragraphs. I think it was ~1000-1200 characters at MOST.

do they like it if you talk about God a lot in your essay? even if your not catholic?!

do they like it if you talk about God a lot in your essay? even if your not catholic?!

I don't think so.

do they like it if you talk about God a lot in your essay? even if your not catholic?!

Don't arbitrarily make stuff up and try to say you like it, lol. Adcoms can often read through that. And also, 3,000 is a perfectly reasonable essay length.

no no im not making things up, i strongly believe in God, and i was just wondering if I should mention it as it is one of the strongest reasons i like their school and their approach to make people whole etc..

no no im not making things up, i strongly believe in God, and i was just wondering if I should mention it as it is one of the strongest reasons i like their school and their approach to make people whole etc..

Well, if it is written well and earnest, I don't think it would hurt. But certainly don't spend 1500 characters on that part haha

no no im not making things up, i strongly believe in God, and i was just wondering if I should mention it as it is one of the strongest reasons i like their school and their approach to make people whole etc..
id stay away from it this isnt loma linda. Even if you believe in it strongly. Like they always say what are the 2 things you should never talk about, politics and religion :)

id stay away from it this is loma linda. Even if you believe in it strongly. Like they always say what are the 2 things you should never talk about, politics and religion :)

yea i totally believe that too! i was almost done now its gonna be a whole lot of editing for me :(
i didnt use religion anywhere, just belief in a higher being and yea i know its pretty much loma linda, im not SDA either!!

id stay away from it this is loma linda. Even if you believe in it strongly. Like they always say what are the 2 things you should never talk about, politics and religion :)

This is sorta true I guess. But I heard (I forget which one) some secondary(ies) have asked something like "What do you foresee as the biggest change in medicine in the future," which sort of begs to be answered based on the health care reform. Donno, slippery slope :)

id stay away from it this isnt loma linda. Even if you believe in it strongly. Like they always say what are the 2 things you should never talk about, politics and religion :)
For me..i used one sentence of my ~4500 char essay to mention that as a Christian, I can better empathize with those of other faiths etc..

it's ok to talk about it, but im a strong proponent of "less is better" here...no matter the strength of belief, it is not the focus of the essay, its really after the icing on the cake, but more like that one piece of decadent chocolate that you put on the tip top..you know..that piece that gets eaten by the person quickest to take it while no one else is looking lol

as for politics...i dont know and dont care..unless a prompt makes me care ahah

For me..i used one sentence of my ~4500 char essay to mention that as a Christian, I can better empathize with those of other faiths etc..

it's ok to talk about it, but im a strong proponent of "less is better" here...no matter the strength of belief, it is not the focus of the essay, its really after the icing on the cake, but more like that one piece of decadent chocolate that you put on the tip top..you know..that piece that gets eaten by the person quickest to take it while no one else is looking lol

as for politics...i dont know and dont care..unless a prompt makes me care ahah

Awesome analogy. :thumbup:

hey for certifying the 2ndary, do we put in our name or AMCAS ID? does anybody know? It doesn't say anywhere. Thanks!

There is no picture here right?

I was wondering about politics too... The overall theme of my essay is healthcare, and how their school philosophy and curriculum is a step towards reform. Do you guys think healthcare is too touchy of a subject?

hey for certifying the 2ndary, do we put in our name or AMCAS ID? does anybody know? It doesn't say anywhere. Thanks!

I don't believe so. Just asks for a name, if I'm not mistaken.

There is no picture here right?

Nope! Shame, I bet they woulda loved yours :p

I was wondering about politics too... The overall theme of my essay is healthcare, and how their school philosophy and curriculum is a step towards reform. Do you guys think healthcare is too touchy of a subject?

Mehhh. I think the healthcare issue may be too closely tied to politics. If you support it, you are generally liberal. If you don't, you are conservative. So it sort of puts you in a luck of the draw, depending on who reviews your application (and their party affiliation).

Might not be true, but it has been rumored to play a factor.

Nope! Shame, I bet they woulda loved yours :p

ur sweet *hugz*

Based on their emphasis on preventive care and spiritual understanding, I sure hope they are in support of healthcare reform... Otherwise I would have some problems attending the school. I guess this is a good way to see if I really would fit in there!

Based on their emphasis on preventive care and spiritual understanding, I sure hope they are in support of healthcare reform... Otherwise I would have some problems attending the school. I guess this is a good way to see if I really would fit in there!

lol good point!

ur sweet *hugz*

:D:p

Based on their emphasis on preventive care and spiritual understanding, I sure hope they are in support of healthcare reform... Otherwise I would have some problems attending the school. I guess this is a good way to see if I really would fit in there!
If it makes you feel better, i sorta wrote about reform and how its important and some of the programs they offer dealing with that , that I want to take advantage of...i suppose only an interview/rejection will tell me if that was a good way to go :p

If it makes you feel better, i sorta wrote about reform and how its important and some of the programs they offer dealing with that , that I want to take advantage of...i suppose only an interview/rejection will tell me if that was a good way to go :p

Yeah, from what I understand, both conservative and liberal DOCTORS agree that the current healthcare system is not working. The people I read who are against healthcare reform are either conservative, or work in the insurance industry. I would feel more uncomfortable if I wrote an essay about why we should not reformat health care.

Yeah, from what I understand, both conservative and liberal DOCTORS agree that the current healthcare system is not working. The people I read who are against healthcare reform are either conservative, or work in the insurance industry. I would feel more uncomfortable if I wrote an essay about why we should not reformat health care.

Truth!

To weigh in briefly on the cura personalis/holistic/osteopathic discussion, I visited Georgetown last year to talk with an admissions counselor. I told her I liked the idea of cura personalis, and that I found it similar to the whole-person care approach of osteopathic schools, to which I am also applying. She laughed at me, and told me not to waste my time with osteopathic schools, and to instead "get a real medical education".

Moral of the story: don't compare G-town to Osteo schools!:D

To weigh in briefly on the cura personalis/holistic/osteopathic discussion, I visited Georgetown last year to talk with an admissions counselor. I told her I liked the idea of cura personalis, and that I found it similar to the whole-person care approach of osteopathic schools, to which I am also applying. She laughed at me, and told me not to waste my time with osteopathic schools, and to instead "get a real medical education".

Moral of the story: don't compare G-town to Osteo schools!:D

Yeah...I highly doubt this.

Has anyone gotten any updates yet. There status page does not really give much info

Has anyone gotten any updates yet. There status page does not really give much info

I got a complete email after all of my stuff was received (LOR, secondary, and fee)

Has anyone gotten any updates yet. There status page does not really give much info

I got the "complete" email on 7/21 and I haven't heard anything yet.

So, who else dislikes writing a paper about why you want to go to a school? I mean, don't get me wrong, I am actually excited about some of their programs and such, but its almost as long as the personal statement...

i've been saying all along that it's my least favorite secondary question, but now that i'm all done writing them... in retrospect i kind of like it. it forces me to identify my reasons for applying to each school. :shrug:

I got the "complete" email on 7/21 and I haven't heard anything yet.

same same.

I got the secondary application received email, but never the application complete email... and that was like a couple weeks ago. Might be time to call.

I got the secondary application received email, but never the application complete email... and that was like a couple weeks ago. Might be time to call.

there status page doesn't tell us much. I will call them next week.

I had the same problem. I don't know what day I finished the secondary off the top of my head, but it was about two weeks ago. I called them today since I hadn't received an email and got some explanation about processing. So you should be fine as long as all the other AMCAS letter schools got your letters and if your status on the website has the checkmarks for payment and application. Of course, you can still call and double check. Remember that they have received absurd numbers of applications and have a ton of work ahead of them.

there status page doesn't tell us much. I will call them next week.

They have processed only a few applications for next year - still busy with orientation and what not. They will send an email when your application has been "processed" and considered complete (or of course, if they need anything else).

I had the same problem. I don't know what day I finished the secondary off the top of my head, but it was about two weeks ago. I called them today since I hadn't received an email and got some explanation about processing. So you should be fine as long as all the other AMCAS letter schools got your letters and if your status on the website has the checkmarks for payment and application. Of course, you can still call and double check. Remember that they have received absurd numbers of applications and have a ton of work ahead of them.

Thanks, that helps.

I finally submitted this one.

I finally submitted this one.

:thumbup: congrats.

i did get a "complete" email... on july 22, i believe.

Yea, I got a secondary received email on the 15th but haven't heard anything since. I do know that they get a high volume of applicants, so maybe I will wait and call them next week. But it seems like GW processes things alot faster. Some people already got secondary invites

Yea, I got a secondary received email on the 15th but haven't heard anything since. I do know that they get a high volume of applicants, so maybe I will wait and call them next week. But it seems like GW processes things alot faster. Some people already got secondary invites

interview?

also, GW's secondary was out at the beginning of june and i'm sure some people submitted super early. so they've had longer to process apps.

lol I meant interview invites. You do have a point, their secondary was out earlier

lol I meant interview invites. You do have a point, their secondary was out earlier
over august we will all see many interviews going out i wouldnt worry. Near every school starts interviews in sept.

submitted 7/26
complete 7/29

they're too fast. I love it. :D:D:D

they're too fast. I love it. :D:D:D

Ha. Lies. I submitted here on 7/10 and am STILL waiting for a complete email...:whistle:

I swear, I'm working on my patience!

Ha. Lies. I submitted here on 7/10 and am STILL waiting for a complete email...:whistle:

I swear, I'm working on my patience!

wow that is quite a wait. should you call them? I'm just surprised they did my file so quick.

is it just me or the application doesn't have a section for LOR's?! did you guys find that info on their website? can someone please post the link for me thanks :)

found it, its two required science and can have 5 max in case anyone else needs to know :D

now i gotta decide who im gonna leave out ahhh

found it, its two required science and can have 5 max in case anyone else needs to know :D

now i gotta decide who im gonna leave out ahhh

for me...all 7 of my letters were in a committee packet. This way, I won't be affected by the 5 letters max policy.

i have all individual letters (6 of them) coming from my career center as a packet but its not a "letter packet" im still confused on that. they are uploaded on amcas as individually letters though =/

i have all individual letters (6 of them) coming from my career center as a packet but its not a "letter packet" im still confused on that. they are uploaded on amcas as individually letters though =/

i think a letter packet has a cover letter on top of it.

i think a letter packet has a cover letter on top of it.

my school doesnt have that :shifty:

i think a letter packet has a cover letter on top of it.

Not to be nitpicky but a cover letter is usually included in a committee letter, but not a letter packet. A letter packet is simply a few letters your school collects for you and submits to AMCAS together as one letter. These typically do not have a cover letter of any substance included.

Not to be nitpicky but a cover letter is usually included in a committee letter, but not a letter packet. A letter packet is simply a few letters your school collects for you and submits to AMCAS together as one letter. These typically do not have a cover letter of any substance included.

so can you guys pick and chose between the letters in your "letter packet" or it always has to go together? just wondering..

so can you guys pick and chose between the letters in your "letter packet" or it always has to go together? just wondering..
Normally you cant pick and choose as the whoel point of a packet is that you compile all the LORs into a packet. At least thats how its done at UCI.

should i just assign all my 6 individual letters on amcas? they are gonna get it all together anyway :o

Not to be nitpicky but a cover letter is usually included in a committee letter, but not a letter packet. A letter packet is simply a few letters your school collects for you and submits to AMCAS together as one letter. These typically do not have a cover letter of any substance included.

at my school, I can choose to have a committee letter on top of all my letters or just a cover letter saying "please accept these letters..."

Normally you cant pick and choose as the whoel point of a packet is that you compile all the LORs into a packet. At least thats how its done at UCI.

Well I can choose which ones to send in. I can't read it but my adviser summarized each one for me. this way I can know if it's good or bad. plus...they also tell me which one I should send b/c they believe it to be helpful to my app.

at my school, I can choose to have a committee letter on top of all my letters or just a cover letter saying "please accept these letters..."



Well I can choose which ones to send in. I can't read it but my adviser summarized each one for me. this way I can know if it's good or bad. plus...they also tell me which one I should send b/c they believe it to be helpful to my app.

wow thats awesome!! i wish we had that at my school, our pre-health is good for nothing and now is not even helping me with secondaries :(

finally done here :soexcited: lets hope my essay is worth $130 ;)

finally done here :soexcited: lets hope my essay is worth $130 ;)
next year i swear gtown is gonna charge 150...they are just going to keep raising it until they stop getting 12k apps+ per year lol

next year i swear gtown is gonna charge 150...they are just going to keep raising it until they stop getting 12k apps+ per year lol

seriously!! if i dont get into med school this cycle i will apply for work at their admissions office :meanie:

I can't seem to get to the application. every time I click on the link, I receive an error.

Elijah,

FAPpers like you and me don't have to worry about Georgetown's fee. We're not affected if they do jack up the price. :D

Elijah,

FAPpers like you and me don't have to worry about Georgetown's fee. We're not affected if they do jack up the price. :D

rub it in why dont you :poke:

i think this year i didnt qualify by a penny :(

my school doesnt have that :shifty:

lol! Funniest post, I love that smiley!! First time I saw it used I think.

Meanwhile.. so I just read this entire thread and I'm still trying to figure out if I wanna apply here lol. I heard they're more of a "fit" school, whatever that means, and I came across other negative things, so what have you guys heard?

lol! Funniest post, I love that smiley!! First time I saw it used I think.

Meanwhile.. so I just read this entire thread and I'm still trying to figure out if I wanna apply here lol. I heard they're more of a "fit" school, whatever that means, and I came across other negative things, so what have you guys heard?

You read the entire thread? Wow.

I can't seem to get to the application. every time I click on the link, I receive an error.

i had to manually copy and paste it in. don't know why it makes a difference, but it does.

Elijah,

FAPpers like you and me don't have to worry about Georgetown's fee. We're not affected if they do jack up the price. :D

me too me too!

i had to manually copy and paste it in. don't know why it makes a difference, but it does.


Yep. Won't open from email...

Just got the Georgetown complete email! What timing...I feel like they're watching me :shifty:

Whatever. Watch me. Watch MEEEE, Georgetown! I love you! Pick meeeee!!
Haha, maybe that'll get their attention and make my app stand out? Eh, worth a shot.

I just got it too and I was complete on the 18th I think.

Just got the Georgetown complete email! What timing...I feel like they're watching me :shifty:

Whatever. Watch me. Watch MEEEE, Georgetown! I love you! Pick meeeee!!
Haha, maybe that'll get their attention and make my app stand out? Eh, worth a shot.

LOL, I just got the email as well, good to know I guess lol

I love you! Pick meeeee!!

whoa. you're starting to sound a little bit like meredith grey. :cool:

Yeah complete!

seriously without FAP, I would be taking out loans and scraping for money. Thank you AAMC!!! :thumbup:

[QUOTE=PinkIvy08;8476520]Just got the Georgetown complete email! What timing...I feel like they're watching me :shifty:

Whatever. Watch me. Watch MEEEE, Georgetown! I love you! Pick meeeee!!
Haha, maybe that'll get their attention and make my app stand out? Eh, worth a shot.

you don't want to stand out too much now. :laugh:

lol! Funniest post, I love that smiley!! First time I saw it used I think.



Thank you :highfive:

Hey guys, just received the secondary and thing about Georgetown is that I submitted extremely late last year with a mediocre primary. I think that I've adjusted my primary enough but I'm wondering whether I can submit the same secondary (which I worked really hard on last year). Is that looked negatively upon/do they even keep a record to check back on? With so many applicants it seems to make sense that they wouldn't care.

I just want this time to count. I'd love some advice.

Hey guys, just received the secondary and thing about Georgetown is that I submitted extremely late last year with a mediocre primary. I think that I've adjusted my primary enough but I'm wondering whether I can submit the same secondary (which I worked really hard on last year). Is that looked negatively upon/do they even keep a record to check back on? With so many applicants it seems to make sense that they wouldn't care.

I just want this time to count. I'd love some advice.

i really doubt they will keep anything from last year, so unless your essay was crazy unique and some adcom remembers it word by word you should be fine :)

I don't know...some schools do keep all applications on file for 1-2 years and will compare them. However, I have NO CLUE if Georgetown does this...

Forget to ask this earlier, but I was wondering if anyone else talked a lot about the Jesuits and the school's religious affiliation?

I'm a practicing Catholic so I really like that part of the school.

Forget to ask this earlier, but I was wondering if anyone else talked a lot about the Jesuits and the school's religious affiliation?

I'm a practicing Catholic so I really like that part of the school.

You could mention it.

Forget to ask this earlier, but I was wondering if anyone else talked a lot about the Jesuits and the school's religious affiliation?

I'm a practicing Catholic so I really like that part of the school.

if you feel like you should talk about religion, then go ahead. I mentioned it anyways because I firmly believe in my Catholic teachings. it wouldn't hurt b/c Georgetown is a Jesuit school and they don't mind anyone mentioning religion.

if you feel like you should talk about religion, then go ahead. I mentioned it anyways because I firmly believe in my Catholic teachings. it wouldn't hurt b/c Georgetown is a Jesuit school and they don't mind anyone mentioning religion.

Is that really a safe assumption? I was thinking the same thing. Because the school is Jesuit, e.g., does that mean the adcom and the interviewers must share the same views as the college mission statement (i.e. be cool with religious stuff etc.)?

Is that really a safe assumption? I was thinking the same thing. Because the school is Jesuit, e.g., does that mean the adcom and the interviewers must share the same views as the college mission statement (i.e. be cool with religious stuff etc.)?
if u want to mention relegion do so, but dont make it the focal point. You are applying to medical school not missionary school. While they do hold some values such as no abortions and what not, you dont want to go on and on about god and religion. If you feel strongly you can mention it but tie it into why georgetown/medicine or w/e in a meaningful way that just isnt like I LOVE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!! know what i mean?

if u want to mention relegion do so, but dont make it the focal point... ...If you feel strongly you can mention it but tie it into why georgetown/medicine or w/e in a meaningful way...

That's what I was saying, is it a safe assumption to say that since the school is religiously-affiliated, that means the adcom and interviewers must be cool with you mentioning religion (i.e. if you tie it in to medicine etc.)? In other words, is it possible for you to get an interviewer or adcom member who doesn't like hearing/reading any religious stuff even though the institution is Jesuit, Catholic, etc.?

Catch my drift?

That's what I was saying, is it a safe assumption to say that since the school is religiously-affiliated, that means the adcom and interviewers must be cool with you mentioning religion (i.e. if you tie it in to medicine etc.)? In other words, is it possible for you to get an interviewer or adcom member who doesn't like hearing/reading any religious stuff even though the institution is Jesuit, Catholic, etc.?

Catch my drift?
Yes its fine. Just talk about it if you truly want to, its not going to ruin you or help you. Like all these essays its all about the overall presentation and how it ties into your app. One adcom may like what you say another may not, that will hold true for whether you talk about the lord or not. In other words just dont worry. talk about it and then tie it in however you see fit and just dont make it your focal point.

my friend goes to georgetown. the religious affiliation means nothing. talking about it is kind of meaningless unless you're talking about cura personalis.

By email, SO excited!

:D

Got one too!!!

Just got one!

:luck:

Just got one!

:luck:
me too!!!

Me 2!!

damn its early too

Your schedule-by date is: August 17, 2009

Your interview period is: August 31, 2009 – September 11, 2009. Please
note that there are no interviews on Labor Day (Monday, September 7).

When were you guys complete?

When were you guys complete?
app complete 7/21

how come they aren't answering the phone?

how come they aren't answering the phone?
lol u already know when ur going? shouldnt u figure out airfare logistics first?

how come they aren't answering the phone?

:laugh: if this is a prank by the adcom

lol u already know when ur going? shouldnt u figure out airfare logistics first?

I already know. It says call between 2:30-4 PM EDT. How come they aren't answering?:confused:

when were you guys complete?
7/15

Complete 7/15. Has anyone called them yet to schedule this?

oh man, i really hope i get this one!

I AM SO HAPPY!!

after all the rejections i've been getting, i thought i was going to get rejected by every MD school this year.

yay!

And yeah, I can't seem to schedule an interview date either.

I AM SO HAPPY!!

after all the rejections i've been getting, i thought i was going to get rejected by every MD school this year.

yay!

And yeah, I can't seem to schedule an interview date either.

They're are like please call within this date time, right? And no one answers?

They're are like please call within this date time, right? And no one answers?

yeah, i'm looking at my watch and it is only 3 30.

They're are like please call within this date time, right? And no one answers?
Yeah, that happened to me too just now.

Yeah, that happened to me too just now.

maybe GST? georgetown standard

Maybe they're working out the kinks? I'm super excited.:D

maybe GST? georgetown standard
Oh crap, we have to decode from the email what time zone they're in!!?!?! :scared:

jk. I'm sure if we try back tomorrow, or later this week, they'll answer.

That's a really bad week for me to interview. I'm going to georgia that weekend, and I'm trying to defend my thesis around that time. I wonder if they'll budge?

That's a really bad week for me to interview. I'm going to georgia that weekend, and I'm trying to defend my thesis around that time. I wonder if they'll budge?
thesis defense sounds legit i'm sure they will understand.

If it doesn't work today, then I just have to wake up at 6 AM tomorrow morning PDT, I guess.:(

The reason being I need to schedule this carefully because my week is really hectic that week as well.

Just got the invite as well!! :luck:

Now if I could only schedule it!

wow congrats on all the interviews here :)

interview invite!!!! sweet!!!!!
congrats everyone else!