So I posted earlier concerning COMLEX and USMLE scores... I ended up scoring 574 on COMLEX and 233 on USMLE.

I have seen on forums/other sites before that a minimum of 600 is used to screen students for many ortho residency programs but I have also seen that an excellent "audition" rotation can make up for a less than competitive board score. Would a 574 at least score me an interview?

Lastly, would a 233 be adequate to match in the majority of EM residency programs in the allopathic world? I know its continually becoming more and more competitive with each year and I believe it was more competitive than General Surgery and almost on point with Anesthesiology in the past year.

Any comments/advice appreciated in advance... thanks.

Do you want ortho or EM? 220 is roughly the average for EM, so 233 is more than fine for the majority of programs.

Do you want ortho or EM? 220 is roughly the average for EM, so 233 is more than fine for the majority of programs.

Just to be more specific. The average USMD score for successful entry into EM is 222. The average USIMG/DO/FMG score who gets into EM is 219. In both cases the 25-75 interval is about 206-235.

I honestly think a 223 should do you fine to get a ACGME EM residency. You wont be the most competitive applicant out there, but you'll be plenty qualified. Just apply broadly and you honestly won't have any problems matching along the lines (at least no problems due to the USMLE score). Your COMLEX is good too, but its much much harder to nail down a "target score" with the comlex. I will say that I know two DO orthos. Both of which scored in the high 500's. Both of which got into their #2 choice for DO program. This 600 score cut off is complete nonsense.

600 is, as best as I can tell, the "ideal score". AKA: its the score where you are at or above the mean (50th percentile) accepted score for every field out there. That score falls at 240 for the USMLE (250 if you count plastics which is abberantly high), and as said before, is around 600 for the USMLE. Plenty of people get into ortho with less than 600. If I were to guess, I'd say half of them do. But the fact is that the half who are under 600 probably bring something else to the table, and the half above 600 *dont have to*. If they do or not is a different matter.

I am also interested to know where I actually stand. Just took USMLE and COMLEX in June. USMLE: 239/99 and COMLEX: 710/97. I am interested in radiology or anesthesiology. Can anyone let me know if I am competitive for those residencies? I really appreciate any advice. Thanks in advance.

I am also interested to know where I actually stand. Just took USMLE and COMLEX in June. USMLE: 239/99 and COMLEX: 710/97. I am interested in radiology or anesthesiology. Can anyone let me know if I am competitive for those residencies? I really appreciate any advice. Thanks in advance.

Really cause the pre-med status really makes me weary.

I am also interested to know where I actually stand. Just took USMLE and COMLEX in June. USMLE: 239/99 and COMLEX: 710/97. I am interested in radiology or anesthesiology. Can anyone let me know if I am competitive for those residencies? I really appreciate any advice. Thanks in advance.

Somewhat competitive: ACGME Radiology
Extremely Qualified: DO Radiology (does this exist?), ACGME Anesthesiology
Unbelievably qualified: DO Anesthesiology

Anesthesiology is *NOT* hard to get into from a board score POV. It's also very DO friendly.

So much hearsay and misinformation in this thread, methinks my head is going to explode.

Just to be more specific. The average USMD score for successful entry into EM is 222. The average USIMG/DO/FMG score who gets into EM is 219. In both cases the 25-75 interval is about 206-235.

I honestly think a 223 should do you fine to get a ACGME EM residency. You wont be the most competitive applicant out there, but you'll be plenty qualified. Just apply broadly and you honestly won't have any problems matching along the lines (at least no problems due to the USMLE score). Your COMLEX is good too, but its much much harder to nail down a "target score" with the comlex. I will say that I know two DO orthos. Both of which scored in the high 500's. Both of which got into their #2 choice for DO program. This 600 score cut off is complete nonsense.

600 is, as best as I can tell, the "ideal score". AKA: its the score where you are at or above the mean (50th percentile) accepted score for every field out there. That score falls at 240 for the USMLE (250 if you count plastics which is abberantly high), and as said before, is around 600 for the USMLE. Plenty of people get into ortho with less than 600. If I were to guess, I'd say half of them do. But the fact is that the half who are under 600 probably bring something else to the table, and the half above 600 *dont have to*. If they do or not is a different matter.

Did you mean to type 233 or misread 223?

Did you mean to type 233 or misread 223?

"I honestly think a 233 should do you fine to get a ACGME EM residency"

fixed that. Thanks. A 223 would be mean, which would be fine too, but not nearly the same as the 233 he did earn.

So much hearsay and misinformation in this thread, methinks my head is going to explode.

+1, was going to comment, but nah

So much hearsay and misinformation in this thread, methinks my head is going to explode.

+1, was going to comment, but nah

Kuba, I really respect you man.... but feel free to eat crow on this whenever you so wish.

http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2009v3.pdf

All stats in this thread courtesy of the NRMP directly.

So much hearsay and misinformation in this thread, methinks my head is going to explode.

No different than probably 90% of the threads on this website. :rolleyes:

I am also interested to know where I actually stand. Just took USMLE and COMLEX in June. USMLE: 239/99 and COMLEX: 710/97.

A 710 on the COMLEX is a 97? Don't think thats accurate...

A 710 on the COMLEX is a 97? Don't think thats accurate...

It's right. Don't confuse 2 digit score with percentile.. 710 is 99+%-ile.

Kuba, I really respect you man.... but feel free to eat crow on this whenever you so wish.

http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2009v3.pdf

All stats in this thread courtesy of the NRMP directly.

To be honest, didn't really look at the numbers, just the tone of the message.

It's right. Don't confuse 2 digit score with percentile.. 710 is 99+%-ile.

I know its not a percentile, but since a 232~ is about a 99 on the USMLE, and is equivalent to about the mid-500s I woulda thought a 710 is well into 99 territory. My numbers may be totally wrong, but its just the impression I was under.

I know its not a percentile, but since a 232~ is about a 99 on the USMLE, and is equivalent to about the mid-500s I woulda thought a 710 is well into 99 territory. My numbers may be totally wrong, but its just the impression I was under.

Your final point is prob right, 710 should definitely be deep in 99th percentile if I'm just trying to extrapolate. I just wanted to note that a 232, despite being a 99, is only about 79-80th percentile. (it was clear you knew it wasnt 99th, just not clear if you knew what actually was)

I know its not a percentile, but since a 232~ is about a 99 on the USMLE, and is equivalent to about the mid-500s I woulda thought a 710 is well into 99 territory. My numbers may be totally wrong, but its just the impression I was under.

The numbers are arbitrary and USMLE is not the same as COMLEX(obviously.) as long as it all stays relative, does it really matter?

I know a fair number of DO ortho residents who had slightly above 500 comlex and still matched*. It's not just a numbers game like the MD world. 600+ would be ideal but that's about 90th percentile so obviously not everyone scores that high. Don't buy into the SDN hype of absolutely needing the rockstar scores, especially in the DO world.

*worth noting they did audition rotations at their residencies

The numbers are arbitrary and USMLE is not the same as COMLEX(obviously.) as long as it all stays relative, does it really matter?

plus for md schools, they look at the 3 digit # anyways. and i believe that usmle got rid of the 2 digit score as of 7/2011 so anyone taking it now just gets a 3 digit. if programs, do/md, are going to cut off at 90%ile (not 2 digit), they already know around what range of a 3 digit that entails from years of experience.

Im interested in apply to MD internal med spots but i didnt take the usmle. I was wondering if most places will still interview/consider me? i did well on the comlex step 1 (619) step 2 (705). but im interested in allergy which is at major university hospitals so im a little nervous about blowing off the DO match.

Im interested in apply to MD internal med spots but i didnt take the usmle. I was wondering if most places will still interview/consider me? i did well on the comlex step 1 (619) step 2 (705). but im interested in allergy which is at major university hospitals so im a little nervous about blowing off the DO match.

Check program websites. Some programs say they will accept comlex along with usmle. If not, email them and ask. I've started doing this and most people have been very friendly. Someone on the Internal Med sub board said they were making a list of acgme programs that accepted the comlex only too.

From that NRMP pdf

Note: Step 1 scores are not available for the majority of Osteopathic seniors and graduates included within the independent applicant category.

So who knows what the average DO needs for any of these specialities.