Has anyone received interview offers yet? When are interviews traditionally offered?

From reading past posts, it seems most programs wait until after ASTRO to offer interviews. I guess that makes sense... before ASTRO, attendings and program directors are probably busy working on their posters and presentations. Then after the national meeting, they have more time to devote to applications. So hopefully, between 2-4 weeks from now, we will start hearing from programs.

Having said that, I know some interviews have been offered. Last year, people also talked about some interviews taking place as early as October! Perhaps we can start a list on programs that have already offered interviews (or interviews we have received)? This is the list I know so far:

--Stanford
--SUNY Buffalo
--Univ of Kansas

Anyone know of rejections that have been given?

Kaiser Sunset (Los Angeles) just sent out interview offers

just curious...did stanford send out an email, or did they leave phone messages?

Stanford emailed them out....best of luck to everyone! Lets keep this thread going!

UNC-Chapel Hill notified interviewees by e-mail.

Umiami rejection via email. darn.

List so far:

1) SUNY buffalo
2) UNC Chapel Hill
3) Stanford
4) Kansas U.
5) Kaiser LA

Looks like the post-ASTRO theory is shaping up...hope to hear soon! Good luck everyone!

Radoncstud

woops...add Umiami to that list

Good job, guys. I've been striking out left and right so far...Doesn't bode well for the next few months. Guess I knew this was going to happen before I got started, but it's still a kick in the 'nads when it comes to fruition. I imagine I have numerous rejections still en route, though. So there's still hope! +pissed+

so... Clueless

Have you received actual rejections, or just haven't heard from places listed above? If rejections, would you mind listing schools that have sent out those letters/e-mails?

If you haven't heard anything from schools above, don't fret just yet. No news is still good news... maybe you turned in your application later than some people who've gotten interview offers? Maybe schools offer interviews in 2 or 3 or more batches? Maybe for some applicants, schools want to see the Dean's letter before making the final decision? gosh... who knows?

Best of luck! waitin' sucks :)

Heard from Vanderbilt via email

Just wanted to wish everyone best of luck in their application / interview process. Don't be discouraged by any little bad news, because your perseverence will be rewarded. Stay strong.

Hope to see you as my colleagues in the near future!!

1) UNC Chapel hill
2) Kaiser LA
3) Kansas
4) Stanford
5) Vandy
6) SUNY buffalo
7) U Miami
8) Fox Chase


These are only ones that people have heard from...that is all thats known...and as we've been told by the elder wiser ones before us, that doesnt mean that they have dealt all of their cards....

thanks cancer_doc!

Does anyone know of a "magic number" of interviews that assures a reasonably good chance of matching?

cancer_doc - thanks for the words of encouragement! This has got to be one of the most nerve-wracking times in recent memory; staying positive has got to be essential in not going crazy!

music710 - pretty much the places already listed by others. UNC and UofMiami have given me the wave-off. Haven't heard from elsewhere, but I can't imagine I have a mountain of interviews in the waiting. A few would do nicely, though!

RODOC - if there is such a thing as a "magic number" (which there isn't, by all accounts), I don't think anyone here would know what it is. Unless there is someone here who has been a Program Director for 10 years and keeps meticulous statistics on applications, etc. And if there is, by all means, fill us in!!!

Best of luck in the coming months, all! I'd like nothing more than to have you as colleagues in a few years!

clueless1 wrote:

"if there is such a thing as a "magic number" (which there isn't, by all accounts), I don't think anyone here would know what it is. Unless there is someone here who has been a Program Director for 10 years and keeps meticulous statistics on applications, etc. And if there is, by all means, fill us in!!!"

Maybe not a "magic number" as such, but talking to faculty and current residents who have a bit of a feel for it, ranking 8-10 programs gives you a pretty reasonable shot of landing at one of them. Personally, I'd err on the high side of that (if I am fortunate enough to be able to!). That also may not take into account the caliber of programs you're ranking.

Dont take this as gospel, though. I seem to remember reading a thread on this board where a very good candidate ranked eight programs and fell through the cracks.

Anyway, good luck to all. I hope to be able to put some faces to names as we all hit the interview trail!

Wes

i interviewed at 14, ranked 12 programs as a med student and didnt match.

then as an intern, i interviewed at 8, and matched.

i had a friend who ranked 5 or 6 and got a spot.

there is no magic number. there is a higher liklihood of matching when you rank more programs, but i feel that in a competitive field as radonc, i dont think it holds true.

for example one of the programs interviewed at called me and told me they would rank me in the top 5 students (out of 40) for 2 spots. i trusted them (as i had done a rotation there, and there was no reason for them to lie). after it all happened, i didnt match. i called this program up, talked to the residency director and he told me he had ranked me 3rd, but that they had gotten their first 2 in the rank.

radonc, right now, is a field where the programs, not the applicants, hold the power.

Happily that little School House Rock ditty works here. I'd say I agree with G'ville with rad onc's qualifer that you really can't tell. Its like we tell patients: I can give you the stats but if your the 1 person in 100 who defies the odds, the populations stats mean nothing to you.

last year i applied to 25 programs, got 6 interviews and matched at my #3 choice.


i know of someone who applied to 35, interviewed at 3 and matched at her 1st choice.

remember: if you didn't pass your boards, never went to med school or never did a rad onc rotation, likely you can apply to every spot in the US and never get one. So you have to generally tailor your applications to your personal CV. However in rad onc right now, I think everyone needs to be aggressive. I've seen many folks from my institution who are great matching relatively low on their list.

Hello all, I'm new to this board, but was glad that it exists! I applied 2 years ago, didn't match, now applying again this year. Just wanted to know whether for this list below...which ones people have received rejections from and how?

1) UNC Chapel hill
2) Kaiser LA
3) Kansas
4) Stanford
5) Vandy
6) SUNY buffalo
7) U Miami
8) Fox Chase

I did interview at Kaiser and U Miami last time, so if anybody wants my opinion, shoot away.

1) UNC Chapel hill
2) Kaiser LA
3) Kansas
4) Stanford
5) Vandy
6) SUNY buffalo
7) U Miami
8) Fox Chase

9) MCVa - notified by mail

Thaiger - definitely, what's the scoop with those two

I didn't particularly like either Kaiser or Miami, even though they are arguably in one of the best cities. Kaiser had a panel interview in this closet sized room...would say it was one of the more tense ones...then again, most panel interviews are. Didn't think they were too courteous, but it could be b/c it was late in the interview season and they were getting tired...they kept grilling me on why I chose to apply there. The structure of the program was odd and was the major factor why I ranked it low. Instead of rotating on different services every 2-3 months, you're on different services on different days of the week, which sux if you're starting out and you don't know what's going on...and maybe good if you're a senior resident to help refresh things.

Miami was, I thought, weak. There were only 4 full-time faculty and I heard that it they had only 2 a few years back. Work load is light. They have 1 afternoon per week devoted entirely to reading. The residents were extremely nice. And the program director seemed sincere on improving the program. And did I mention it's not that far from South Beach? :)

If you know of any future interview dates offered by programs, please post them. This may help in scheduling the next few months.

is offering between 2 and 3 days in early jan.

whew! almost didn't apply to Hopkins because I heard it had only 1 day of interview (1/9) -- and I am out of the country. Very very glad that it may have 2-3 days.

friend of mine got U Chicago interview invitations today. so that makes the list #10 now?

keep 'em coming, y'all. and good luck to all.

Rush will have two interview dates -- 12/12 and 12/19

Steph,

If you know JHH interview dates can you/ will you please post them.

Joe

yes when I know them for sure.

I must add, its a BIG mistake not to apply to a place becauseof the interview days. Often they will make alternate arrangements for you and the field is far to glutted to cut off any avenue, even for the best of students. Good luck.

Emory has also offered interviews. As mentioned, UChicago and Rush did as well.

As of now, we expect to interview for acouple of days the weekend of Jan 10th with potentially a less formal available for a good applicatn who cant make it then the following week.

add Univ Wisconsin and Yale to the list today.

Wisconsin dates are: 11/24, 12/6, 1/10.

Yale: 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16.


would others care to share the interview dates of programs?

Hi all,

Each time I try to post some new info, someone beats me to the punch... So I thought I'd just organize the list a little.

If you haven't heard from some of these schools, you're not alone. Neither have I!

School: Interview Dates:
1. UNC
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. JHH (not yet offered) 1/10


Copy and paste more info if you've got it. Have a good weekend.

Joe

Adding dates for UNC, Emory, Wisconsin

School: Interview Dates:
1. UNC 11/8, 11/15
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase 11/21
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory 12/8, 12/9, 12/10
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. JHH (not yet offered) 1/10

BTW, I am very appreciative that this thread is going strong. I'm still not hopeful that I will have any success in bunching regional interviews together, but without this info, I'd probably have NO chance. Keep it coming!

Wes

16. Univ Michigan 1/9 and "we can try to accomodate... another possible date"

Adding a couple more: Univ. Colorado (which I've heard from) and Univ. Florida (heard from a fellow applicant at UNC). Word on UNC, they should be interviewing another batch of applicants in December, so don't fret if you haven't heard from them yet. I will post my post-interview thoughts about UNC on a different post. This list is getting long! Kinda bummed that I haven't heard from some of these places, but I haven't gotten rejections either. How many of these places have people gotten rejections or heard about rejections?

1. UNC 11/8, 11/15
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase 11/21
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory 12/8, 12/9, 12/10
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. JHH (not yet offered) 1/10
16. Univ. Michigan 1/9, ?
17. Univ. Colorado 12/4, 12/11
18. Univ. Florida

Oh, U. Penn also (heard from fellow interviewee). Just another depressing note as well...someone told me that there are 12 people from the Harvard graduating class (that makes it 10% of their class!) going into Rad Onc. Joy.


1. UNC 11/8, 11/15
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase 11/21
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory 12/8, 12/9, 12/10
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. JHH (not yet offered) 1/10
16. Univ. Michigan 1/9, ?
17. Univ. Colorado 12/4, 12/11
18. Univ. Florida
19. Univ. Penn

Overall, I liked the program. Strong program.
Good points:
1. Faculty are super super nice.
2. Teaching is superb there. Great one-on-one teaching.
3. Residents are very very happy there
4. Good research going on for the small size of the dept.
5. Very pro-resident. Residents have alot of say into their curriculum and faculty actually responds

Downsides (not much):
H&N is weak.

rejection from Fox Chase today, by snail mail. alas, can't win them all!

I think many of us are in a similar boat -- got a couple (or more than a couple) interviews, but not all of them on the list. Hard to tell on the ones we haven't gotten whether 1) no word means no hope (esp Fox Chase, interviewing in like a week or so), or 2) no word means we may be a "second batch" of interviewees, or wait-listed for interviews, or 3) programs just haven't read through all the applications yet. Probably all 3 scenarios are true at some places. In any case, waiting is totally anxiety provoking.

keep the posts coming!

Tufts came in the mail yesterday.

I've gotten no interviews, and a bunch of rejections. I'm rapidly losing hope...

Don't lose all hope yet. If it helps, I got interviews at late as mid-December the 1st time around....

1. UNC 11/8, 11/15
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase 11/21
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory 12/8, 12/9, 12/10
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. JHH (not yet offered) 1/10
16. Univ. Michigan 1/9, ?
17. Univ. Colorado 12/4, 12/11
18. Univ. Florida 1/23, 1/30
19. Univ. Penn

Added dates for Florida. Also:

20. Cleveland Clinic (e-mail) 1/5, 1/12, 1/19, 1/26

1. UNC 11/8, 11/15
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase 11/21
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory 12/8, 12/9, 12/10
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. JHH (not yet offered) 1/10
16. Univ. Michigan 1/9, ?
17. Univ. Colorado 12/4, 12/11
18. Univ. Florida 1/23, 1/30
19. Univ. Penn
20. Cleveland Clinic (e-mail) 1/5, 1/12, 1/19, 1/26
21. Louisville (e-mail) 1/9, 1/23, 1/30

Louisville added.

1. UNC 11/8, 11/15
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase 11/21
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory 12/8, 12/9, 12/10
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. JHH (not yet offered) 1/10
16. Univ. Michigan 1/9, ?
17. Univ. Colorado 12/4, 12/11
18. Univ. Florida 1/23, 1/30
19. Univ. Penn
20. Cleveland Clinic 1/5, 1/12, 1/19, 1/26
21. Louisville 1/9, 1/23, 1/30
22. MD Anderson 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/23

MD Anderson added. Should've put it in last posting. Sorry.

Did the MD Anderson interview offers come via e-mail, phone, or snail mail?

1. UNC 11/8, 11/15
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase 11/21
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory 12/8, 12/9, 12/10
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. JHH (not yet offered) 1/10
16. Univ. Michigan 1/9, ?
17. Univ. Colorado 12/4, 12/11
18. Univ. Florida 1/23, 1/30
19. Univ. Penn
20. Cleveland Clinic 1/5, 1/12, 1/19, 1/26
21. Louisville 1/9, 1/23, 1/30
22. MD Anderson 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/23

add Wash U 12/12-13, 1/9-10, 1/16-17
Apparently it starts on a Friday afternoon, you go out with residents Friday night, then most of Saturday for the rest of the visit.

Before people panic, this came from a secretary who said interview invites should go out via ERAS on Monday.

MD Anderson came via e-mail.

i think someone also reported Tufts (via snail mail). So that's (?at least) 24 total thus far.

Things are definitely rolling fast. Now I spend a whole day on rotation, and can't wait to check my e-mail at the end of the day. Prelim programs also rolling-- makes this an exciting time. Oh, what does it mean when I haven't heard from some of these places yet?

Congrats for all the interview offers, y'all.

Hi -

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet - but I wanted to let you all know that last year it seemed to me that quite a few programs offered interviews on a rolling basis. I heard from programs later than other people did in some cases. Im sure that they are either just sending them out in batches based on how many applications they have reviewed or in some cases I think that multiple faculty pick the people that they want to be interviewed. I will say, however, that I felt like the places I heard from earlier were more interested, and the places I heard from later were less. But that was a pretty loose rule and Im not sure if there was any significance to how interested I felt like programs were anyway.

Anyway, just meant to say, rest assured that you haven't been rejected by these places just because other people have heard from them!

Good luck to all. Its a stressful process!
Ann

AnnK, thanks for the info. It provides a little bit of a relief to hear that. I guess as long as they don't send a flat-out rejection letter/email, then there's still hope. Although, there were a couple places I remember 2 years ago that I never heard from...rejection or otherwise.

Tufts was by phone. As far as I know, final interview dates have not been determined.

1. UNC 11/8, 11/15
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase 11/21
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory 12/8, 12/9, 12/10
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. JHH (not yet offered) 1/10
16. Univ. Michigan 1/9, ?
17. Univ. Colorado 12/4, 12/11
18. Univ. Florida 1/23, 1/30
19. Univ. Penn
20. Cleveland Clinic 1/5, 1/12, 1/19, 1/26
21. Louisville 1/9, 1/23, 1/30
22. MD Anderson 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/23
23. Wash U 12/12-13, 1/9-10, 1/16-17
24. Tufts
25. Harvard 12/11-12, 1/22-23, 1/29-30

Adding Harvard today, came via e-mail. The interviews are 2 days long.

Jefferson too.

1. UNC 11/8, 11/15
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase 11/21
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory 12/8, 12/9, 12/10
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. JHH (not yet offered) 1/10
16. Univ. Michigan 1/9, ?
17. Univ. Colorado 12/4, 12/11
18. Univ. Florida 1/23, 1/30
19. Univ. Penn
20. Cleveland Clinic 1/5, 1/12, 1/19, 1/26
21. Louisville 1/9, 1/23, 1/30
22. MD Anderson 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/23
23. Wash U 12/12-13, 1/9-10, 1/16-17
24. Tufts
25. Harvard 12/11-12, 1/22-23, 1/29-30
26. Indiana

Just got e-mail from IU. They don't have discrete dates but instead set up a mutually convenient date for the candidate.

Music710, email me when you get a chance.
Joe

Medical College of Wisconsin (email)

1. UNC 11/8, 11/15
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase 11/21
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory 12/8, 12/9, 12/10
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. JHH (not yet offered) 1/10
16. Univ. Michigan 1/9, ?
17. Univ. Colorado 12/4, 12/11
18. Univ. Florida 1/23, 1/30
19. Univ. Penn
20. Cleveland Clinic 1/5, 1/12, 1/19, 1/26
21. Louisville 1/9, 1/23, 1/30
22. MD Anderson 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/23
23. Wash U 12/12-13, 1/9-10, 1/16-17
24. Tufts
25. Harvard 12/11-12, 1/22-23, 1/29-30
26. Indiana
27. Thomas Jefferson
28. Medical College Wisconsin

Invite to Wash U via email, although the email was addressed to a different name...did this happen to anyone else?

Hi Thaiger

would you mind posting dates?

thank you!

Don't know for the dates for MCW cuz didn't get an interview offer. Wash U dates are already posted by someone else I believe. They are 2 half-days Fri-Sat.

Don't worry about the name thing. My name isn't "Greg," either.

MCS dates are 12/15, 12/19, 1/5, 1/7

Hi all,

I have a theory. If you see information posted about a school, and then do not hear from them for 7 calendar days (which of course feels like 70), my theory is that this is bad news. So far this formula describes rejections I have received.

Agree, Disagree... ?

Joe

I would say that for the majority of programs that is probably true. But there are programs out there who might send out invites in batches. Also, it's also possible that you are in their "B" list and if other people decline interviews, they might offer you one. You can also call a program up or email them and ask them...don't think it would hurt.

doh! Joe, if your theory is true (for the majority of programs), then it's really bad news for me!

Exceptions: UNC (someone said a second batch is coming), Stanford (I heard literally a month ago, but they are not yet done going through all the applications).

I'll take B list, or C list. Just interview me!

Thaiger75, I'm hoping for the "batch" explantion, but the "B list" thing is exactly what I'm worried about. It might be a waste of time and money to interview at a place that already ranks you as 30th on their list. I'm thinking it might be smart to put programs lower on MY list if I don't hear from them when they send out initial interviews, because I now realize that it is physically impossible to interview at every program that I am interested in.

I can hear a lecture coming from someone.....

but before that, does anyone else want to comment on the formula?

Joe

Music710, the great thing about most theories is that they are wrong!

Yes, UNC should be sending out another batch (at least that's what the residents told me).

Jefferson is 12/15, 1/12, 1/29
Tufts is 1/10-- it will be the only date!
:eek:

University of Arizona, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30

Just spewing my thoughts on my experience 1st time around and now this time around...

Most of what I'm going to write about doesn't really apply to top-dog programs (MDA, MSKCC, etc) or those applicants who are all-stars (5 red journal publications, or Cell publication, or saved lives in Zimbabwe)...

It seems alot of programs put alot of wgt on whether they think you are a serious candidate for their program. One story I heard from a guy who was virtually a shoe-in for MDA (he did alot of research there), and while interviewing at Emory, 1 person asked him if MDA likes him so much, then why would he even considering coming to Emory...almost liking blowing him off cuz they didn't think he was serious about Emory.

How they gauge how serious a candidate is varies from program to program I'm sure. A PD (my mentor) has even said to me that b/c it's so competitive now, he pretty much invites only regional candidates cuz he realizes that many people would have to spend alot of time and money to fly and interview there. Sometimes this translates into rejections by lower tier programs if you're from a powerhouse institutions cuz they don't you would go there. I got the feeling from 1 chairman that he wasn't too keen on people applying to everywhere in the country...which apparently shows that certain applicants weren't interested in his program. I think that some programs haven't gotten it in their heads how competitive it has become since it was not so for so long. We HAVE to apply to as many places as we need to (unless of course you're an ALL STAR candidate). *ahem* MD/PhD

It's disappointing that some programs may base their rank list not so much on who they like the most, but rather who they think is serious and really excited about coming there. That puts others at a disadvantage. Some applicants may aggressively lobby to stay within their own program (ie my family is here and I really want to stay here) and in the Rad Onc situation where alot of programs only have 1 spot, boom, you're out...even if you're ranked #2 or #3 in their list.

Sorry for the long ramble...any comments?

I totally agree with you, Thaiger.

I think it's a mistake for programs to rank applicants basing significantly on how they think applicants will rank them. In a sense, I think it's because program directors don't want to be "rejected" either -- by their top candidates. I guess if you have 1 spot in the program, and it takes you all the way down to #10 on the rank list to match a resident -- it feels kinda crappy. But pride aside, the only way programs can get the "best residents" is to rank applicants according to who the program considers to be "best candidates."

There is also an issue of "fit" -- maybe one argument is that programs want applicants who also want them -- thus a 2-way good fit of program with resident. But I'm no believer in this theory. I think many applicants would fit very well in many programs -- but how many programs can I rank #1? Just one program. I think many applicants would be just as happy (and fit very well) in #2, #3, #4... #7 programs.

If every program ranked applicants based on how they think applicants will rank them -- the result of this is a feeling that, at every interview, you need to prove to the programs that you want them (and only want them). There are certainly ethical concerns about this process.

gosh, I ramble too.

Exactly, I hear alot of pride when programs communicate with each other saying that, yeah, we got our #1 rank candidate, etc. Yeah, yeah, pat yourself on the back!

And yeah, I totally agree. A candidate can fit into many programs. Unless of course, you're gung-ho about academics and want to be a chairman someday and take over the world of Rad Onc, then going to a small program is probably not the best fit.

I had 1 chairman ask me, "Why do you think you didn't match?" . I was a bit taken by surprise. Kinda a ****ty question to ask. I think alot of this attitude stems from old-school thinking. At least for the older chairmen, PDs, they're not used to seeing applicants not matching. The younger faculty realize more the reality of the field. I know plenty of top quality applicants that did not match the 1st time around. Any others out there?

Also, when people say, oh yeah, I interviewed at 9 or 10 places, but when you look at it, it's not saying much. On average, you're really competing for 10 or 12 spots cuz each program will have 1 or 2 spots on avg.

hey Thaiger

do you know how many spots UNC is interviewing for this year?

UNO

Mayo 12/5, 12/8, 12/12

Anyone hear from U of Wash, OHSU, UCSF?

University of Utah, notified by e-mail. Dates are 12/16, 1/6, 1/13.

So would it be bad form to show up with a broken leg from skiing the previous day? Guess I should just admire the mountains from afar...:)

Second round, "B list", whatever you want to call it. U Penn emailed today offering 12/5 and 12/12

I emailed UCSF. They are going to offer 12/15, 1/13, 1/27, and another date yet to be determined sometime next week.

Have they sent out all their invitations (and rejections) yet?

Sorry Thaiger75, when I wrote "going to" I meant "are planning to", and they are planning to send out offers next week. None have yet been sent, the dates have not fully been decided on, all is well.:)

Here's the cleaned up list for the week (I have a new job)

1. UNC 11/8, 11/15
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase 11/21
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory 12/8, 12/9, 12/10
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. JHH (not yet offered) 1/10
16. Univ. Michigan 1/9, ?
17. Univ. Colorado 12/4, 12/11
18. Univ. Florida 1/23, 1/30
19. Univ. Penn 12/5, 12/12
20. Cleveland Clinic 1/5, 1/12, 1/19, 1/26
21. Louisville 1/9, 1/23, 1/30
22. MD Anderson 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/23
23. Wash U 12/12-13, 1/9-10, 1/16-17
24. Tufts 1/10
25. Harvard 12/11-12, 1/22-23, 1/29-30
26. Indiana
27. Thomas Jefferson 12/15, 1/12, 1/29
28. Medical College Wisconsin
29. MCS (?) 12/15, 12/19, 1/5, 1/7
30. Arizona 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
31. Mayo 12/5, 12/8, 12/12
32. Utah 12/16, 1/16, 1/13
33. UCSF (not yet offered) 12/15, 1/13, 1/27

hey Joe

#29 MCS is probably a typo.. I think it's supposed to be MCW (W is just 1 key up from S). the dates listed are those for MCW.

here's another one (by e-mail): Cincinnati, 12/1, 12/8, 1/12, 1/26

Looks like harvard sent out another set of interview offers today by email. Same dates as listed in a prior post.

#34. University of Kentucky

Came by pager of all things. They only mentioned 12/6 as an option (less than 2 week notice). Better late than never, I guess.... :rolleyes:

By phone. Added a fourth date on 2/6

Hi Steph

do you know when Hopkins will be offering interviews? (or has it already?)... # of interviews that will be offered and # of positions open this year? (if it's information you cannot share, that's okay...)

thanks!

See the list your colleages posted above; there will be (likely) two days with a potential third day for very strong candidates who can't make it those two days.
The letters havent gone out yet and will , and I quote, "When everyone has reviewed all the candidates". I think there are 2 positions but I may be wrong about that; They are aiming to interview 20-30 people. Sorry the info is so soft but that's where in stands as of late last week. Good luck.
S

2 more:

Wayne State 1/24, 1/31 (email)
Univ Rochester 12/13, 1/10 with other possible dates (email)

1. UNC 11/8, 11/15
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase 11/21
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory 12/8, 12/9, 12/10
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. JHH (not yet offered) 1/10
16. Univ. Michigan 1/9, ?
17. Univ. Colorado 12/4, 12/11
18. Univ. Florida 1/23, 1/30
19. Univ. Penn 12/5, 12/12
20. Cleveland Clinic 1/5, 1/12, 1/19, 1/26
21. Louisville 1/9, 1/23, 1/30
22. MD Anderson 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/23
23. Wash U 12/12-13, 1/9-10, 1/16-17
24. Tufts 1/10
25. Harvard 12/11-12, 1/22-23, 1/29-30
26. Indiana
27. Thomas Jefferson 12/15, 1/12, 1/29
28. Medical College Wisconsin
29. MCS (?) 12/15, 12/19, 1/5, 1/7
30. Arizona 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
31. Mayo 12/5, 12/8, 12/12
32. Utah 12/16, 1/16, 1/13
33. UCSF 12/15, 1/13, 1/27, 2/6
34. Kentucky 12/6
35. Cincinnati 12/1, 12/8, 1/12, 1/26
36. Wayne State 1/24, 1/31
37. Univ Rochester 12/13, 1/10

38. UTMB 12/12, 12/15, 12/19, 1/23

by email

MCP today by email

Whoops, so many names... all the same place
MCP/Hahnemann/Drexel 12/19, 1/9, 1/30

MSKCC by phone. 1/14, 12/16- not sure about the exact date on that last one.

41. CPMC (San Fran) 1/16, 1/23, 1/30, 2/6
by email

42. Hopkins 1/10, 1//11 (with possible alternative dates)
via email

Has anybody (or know of other people) heard from (offers or rejections):

Georgetown
Henry Ford
Oregon
Univ Virginia
Loma Linda
New York Presbyterian (Columbia)
Iowa
Albert Einstein
Univ Pittsburgh
Univ Washington-Seattle
NCI

Thaiger --

I just talked to the program coordinator at Georgetown who told me that they have extended all their interview offers already.

I done heard from U Washington. I thunk they have only 1 date, Jan 14.

New York Presbyterian (Columbia)=filled all their spots already

Per NCI's program coordinator: First round of interviews are in first week of January and all invites have gone out. Afterward, they assess what they saw and will often send out invites for a second round of interviews.

how about Beaumont? anyone heard from them?

i interviewed at the NCI last year for their one spot. Be warned that it is offered outside the match and not suprisingly, decisions are very political. I would not be surprised if the position is already promised, so you may want to think twice if you have to make two trips to bethesda. fyi, i'm not sure who matched for 2004, but someone told me it was a girl who interviewed who actually brought her father to the department on interview day!*?* it was really kind of shady. i probably should of saved my $200 plane fare.

Loma Linda by snail mail. Interview dates: 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30

Univ Virginia (email)
It's getting late for offers, but thought I'd update the monster list for kicks...

1. UNC 11/8, 11/15
2. Kaiser LA
3. Kansas
4. Stanford 12/16
5. Vandy
6. SUNY Buffalo
7. U Miami
8. Fox Chase 11/21
9. MCV 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
10. U Chicago
11. Rush 12/12, 12/19
12. Emory 12/8, 12/9, 12/10
13. Univ. Wisconsin 11/24, 12/6, 1/10
14. Yale 12/4, 12/8, 1/5, 1/16
15. Hopkins 1/10, 1//11
16. Univ. Michigan 1/9, ?
17. Univ. Colorado 12/4, 12/11
18. Univ. Florida 1/23, 1/30
19. Univ. Penn 12/5, 12/12
20. Cleveland Clinic 1/5, 1/12, 1/19, 1/26
21. Louisville 1/9, 1/23, 1/30
22. MD Anderson 12/12, 12/19, 1/9, 1/23
23. Wash U 12/12-13, 1/9-10, 1/16-17
24. Tufts 1/10
25. Harvard 12/11-12, 1/22-23, 1/29-30
26. Indiana
27. Thomas Jefferson 12/15, 1/12, 1/29
28. Medical College Wisconsin
29. MCS (?) 12/15, 12/19, 1/5, 1/7
30. Arizona 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
31. Mayo 12/5, 12/8, 12/12
32. Utah 12/16, 1/16, 1/13
33. UCSF 12/15, 1/13, 1/27, 2/6
34. Kentucky 12/6
35. Cincinnati 12/1, 12/8, 1/12, 1/26
36. Wayne State 1/24, 1/31
37. Univ Rochester 12/13, 1/10
38. UTMB 12/12, 12/15, 12/19, 1/23
39. MCP 12/19, 1/9, 1/30
40. MSKCC 12/16, 1/14
41. CPMC (San Fran) 1/16, 1/23, 1/30, 2/6
42. Georgetown
43. Univ Wash
44. Columbia
45. NCI
46. Loma Linda 1/9, 1/16, 1/23, 1/30
47. Univ Virginia

Univ Pittsburgh via email

49. William Beaumont 1/13, 1/14, 1/20, 1/21, 1/27
via snail mail

Does anyone know if the following NY programs have given out interview offers yet?

(1) Mount Sinai
(2) Cornell
(3) Einstein Montefiore

Mount Sinai - yes (word of mouth)
Einstein - yes (personal rejection)

MUSC by snail mail. 1/9, 1/23, 2/6. Not sure if this has been posted yet or not.

Cornell has filled their spot.