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redshifteffect
10-29-2003, 04:03 AM
People asked me so here it is:

http://trade.isubscribe.com.au/title_info.cfm?prodID=2384

pitman
10-29-2003, 01:17 PM
There's also the online version:
http://www.thegoodguides.com.au/searchguide.cfm

Pay subscription only, i did it for a month when researching Aus. schools, helped a *little*.

tl47
10-29-2003, 01:29 PM
Hey, care to share a bit more than just a tempting link to books/websites that require my credit card before even seeing a sample? :)

Hint hint!

flindophile
10-29-2003, 04:55 PM
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pitman
10-29-2003, 07:25 PM
Here's another ranking for all Asian uni's (Asia Week's guide):

http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/universities2000/schools/multi.overall.html

redshifteffect
10-30-2003, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by pitman
Here's another ranking for all Asian uni's (Asia Week's guide):

http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/universities2000/schools/multi.overall.html

Have any of you guys found an online ranking for Medical schools?

pitman
10-30-2003, 01:37 PM
Nope. Good Guides online comes the closest, with some results of student polls.

pitman
08-08-2005, 02:18 AM
Good Guide just came out again...

http://www.uq.edu.au/news/index.phtml?article=7660

(I don't mean to plug UQ at the expense of other schools -- the Guide itself is available only w/ paid subscription, so this is a UQ news page)

Note that the Guide still only rates the unis as a whole though, not the med programs themselves.

Cziffra
08-10-2005, 05:01 AM
In fact there's a world ranking of the top 100 biomedicine universities published by the very well-respected Times Higher Education Supplement in the UK. Do a simple google search and you'll find it. It's a ranking of biomedicine, not medical schools per se. (Some of the following universities don't have a medical school.) However, the correlation between the two should be evident.

Here is the top 20:
1) Harvard (US)
2) Cambridge (UK)
3) Oxford (UK)
4) Imperial College London (UK)
5) Stanford (US)
6) Johns Hopkins (US)
7) Karolinska Institute (Sweden)
8) Yale (US)
9) UC Berkeley (US)
10) UCSD (US)
11) Beijing (China)
12) MIT (US)
13) Tokyo (Japan)
14) Melbourne (Australia)
15) Sydney (Australia)
16) Heidelberg (Germany)
17) Duke (US)
18) UCSF (US)
19) University College London (UK)
20) Toronto (Canada)

This is probably the only world ranking of medicine out there.

Cziffra
08-10-2005, 05:28 AM
Many Australian universities (particularly USyd, Unimelb, UNSW, and ANU) have a very high reputation internationally. Disregard those who think non-US universities are worthless. There's a world out there. Enough said. :)

Go to Johns Hopkins, Harvard, etc. medicine homepage, check out the faculty page and discover the Australian-trained doctors teaching the MDs-to-be there! :D

JoeNamaMD
08-10-2005, 09:04 PM
Many Australian universities (particularly USyd, Unimelb, UNSW, and ANU) have a very high reputation internationally. Disregard those who think non-US universities are worthless. There's a world out there. Enough said. :)

Go to Johns Hopkins, Harvard, etc. medicine homepage, check out the faculty page and discover the Australian-trained doctors teaching the MDs-to-be there! :D
The Gourman report has a listing of top international medical schools. The Gourman list tends to favor large well known research universities, the vast majority of top international(non US and Canadian schools) seem to be located in France, the United Kingdom, Germany, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, and Japan. With increasing integration among the EU universities, I think they will be as good if not better than US schools within a decade.

pitman
08-10-2005, 09:19 PM
http://www.thes.co.uk/statistics/international_comparisons/2004/main.aspx

Extending Cziffra's biomed list:

34) ANU
37) Monash
45) UQ
53) U South Australia
68) UNSW
81) Adelaide Univ
96) UWA

Pretty sweet :)

pitman
08-10-2005, 09:45 PM
The Gourman report has a listing of top international medical schools.

At least when I was younger, the big problem with the Gourman report was that the authors don't reveal their methodology, and apparently the score differences separating many many schools are insignificant. Maybe they've changed, but i've never given any meaning to their lists.

pitman
08-10-2005, 09:49 PM
here's a pretty typical critique found via google:
http://siop.org/tip/backissues/TIPJan02/07bedeian.htm

sjkpark
08-11-2005, 02:48 AM
http://www.thes.co.uk/statistics/international_comparisons/2004/main.aspx

Extending Cziffra's biomed list:

34) ANU
37) Monash
45) UQ
53) U South Australia
68) UNSW
81) Adelaide Univ
96) UWA

Pretty sweet :)

Add in 36) University of Auckland, New Zealand! Yeah!

brightblueeyes
10-18-2005, 07:37 PM
In fact there's a world ranking of the top 100 biomedicine universities published by the very well-respected Times Higher Education Supplement in the UK. Do a simple google search and you'll find it. It's a ranking of biomedicine, not medical schools per se. (Some of the following universities don't have a medical school.) However, the correlation between the two should be evident.

I respect the Times Higher Education Supplements when they're limited to the UK but I think the Times sometimes makes big mistakes in some countries. For example, one of the three French universities it lists among the top biomedical universities not only does not have a medical school, it has no biomedical faculty, students or researchers whatsoever. It doesn't even have a Science Faculty...it's an Arts school. Of the three French universities listed, only one is considered to have a top notch med school by the French. And the university traditionally regarded as having the best medical school and the largest centre of excellence for biomedical research in France isn't even listed.

I don't know how reliable the rankings are for Australia. From all that I've heard, several Australian universities are excellent for biomedical research (better than most American universities) but I have no idea how they rank relative to each other.

flindophile
10-19-2005, 03:50 AM
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JobsFan
10-19-2005, 04:33 AM
The problem with rankings is that they mainly reflect research output, and grants obtained. This has little to do with the quality of the teaching of medical students (or other undergraduate - non research) degrees. In fact, Melbourne uni which is generally regarded as one of the most prestigious unis (due to research performance) frequently gets much poorer ratings in "quality of teaching" surveys of students than less well known unis.

I'm not bagging Melb Uni, just pointing out that research and teaching quality are very different. The research reputation of a uni may be important to you - fair enough - but I think most prospective med students would be more interested to know about the teaching.

brightblueeyes
10-19-2005, 02:38 PM
The Economist publishes an annual review of education. They seem to like the survey done by a Chinese University.

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/ranking.htm

These are overall rankings (not biomed) and are based on citations. The Australian schools don't fare quite so well in this ranking as in the Times one.

56 Australian National Univ
57 U of Florida (useful benchmark...)
82 Melbourne
101-150* U of Q
101-150* U of Sydney

* The schools below 100 are only ranked in broad categories

These kind of rankings aren't very useful because it is individual departments that matter when choosing a medical school. Also, rankings are driven by research which often has little impact on teaching.
The Jiao Tong rankings are worthless for some countries. For France they rank Paris VI, Paris XI and Strasbourg I ahead of all the Ecoles Normales Supérieures and l'Ecole Polytechnique. I can pretty much guarantee you that (so long as their program exists) any student at Paris VI, Paris XI or Strasbourg would leap at the chance to switch to any ENS or l'Ecole Polytechnique...even if it meant starting over...even if it meant gnawing off a little finger (I'm exaggerating...slightly. :))

As for College de France (which Jiao Tong seems to assume is a "college" in the North American sense of the word), there are no programs, no diplomas and no registered students. Oops.