The Truth About St. Christopher?s College of Medicine:

1. The professor that the 1st semester students have for Embryology is Dr. Shakil. Dr. Shakil has her M.D from Pakistan and did a residency in Internal Medicine their as well. She does not have a PhD in any of the life sciences and has not participated in a residency that involves a significant exposure to any clinical aspects of Embryology (i.e. OB/GYN, Family Practice, etc?) It is not known to the students whether Dr. Shakil actually took Embryology as a medical student although it is assumed she did. Dr. Shakil?s exposures to matters of Embryology are generally not different from any medical student that just graduated from medical school. Dr. Shakil is often not able to answer questions brought by the students regarding the subject matter as her knowledge of the topic she teaches is rather limited. Dr. Shakil also does not have any substantial European or American clinical exposure. Is she really qualified to be teaching this class??

2. The professor that the 1st semester students have for Cell Biology is Dr. Gray. Dr. Gray has a PhD in Microbiology. Although Dr. Gray does have a PhD in the life sciences, it is not in the area of molecular or cytobiology. Dr. Gray is sometimes incapable of answering questions relating to the subject material. This is possibly because he is teaching outside his area of expertise.

3. The professor that the 1st semester students have for one portion of Histology is Dr. Shawer. Dr. Shawer is an M.D from Egypt that did her residency and practiced as an OB/GYN. She does not have a PhD in any of the life sciences and has not participated in a residency that involves a significant exposure to any clinical aspects of Histology (i.e. Pathology). Dr. Shawer also doubles as one of the General Pathology professors. Dr. Shawer?s exposures to matters of Histology and Pathology are generally not different from that of any medical student that just graduated from medical school. Having a professor teach multiple subjects outside their area of expertise could present a problem for St. Chris getting approved in various states (i.e. New York) Dr. Shawer also does not have any substantial European or American clinical exposure. Is she really qualified to be teaching this Histology class??

4. The professor that the 1st semester students have for Ethics is Dr. Hameed. Dr. Hameed is another M.D from Southern Asia. Dr. Hameed does not have any degree or qualifications in the fields of ethics or law. Dr. Hameed also triples as the Genetics professor, as well as one of the Physical Diagnosis professors. Having a professor teach multiple subjects outside their area of expertise could present a problem for St. Chris getting approved in various states (i.e. New York.) Dr. Hameed also does not have any substantial European or American clinical exposure. Is she really qualified to be teaching this Ethics class??

5. The sound system that the current 1st semester students use in order to hear the professor is actually a Karaoke Machine with a wireless microphone attachment!

http://www.valuemd.com/files/karaoke.jpg

6. The classrooms for St. Christopher?s are indeed situated above a Pizza Hut in the Town Centre. The windows on the upper floor of the building that can be seen above the Pizza Hut are indeed the windows of the St. Chris classrooms.

http://www.valuemd.com/files/pizzahut.jpg

7. St. Christopher?s currently does not have a library of any kind or type. The only books currently available to the students through the school are a single copy of a textbook for any class that is currently being taught.

8. There are currently no labs of any kind (for classes or research) for the students to work in at St. Christopher?s.

9. Students do not have any anatomical specimens or models to work with besides one plastic skeleton and a second plastic anatomical model that contains various removable plastic organs. The students do not have access to actual bones except while at King?s college of Medicine during Anatomy Laboratory.

10. The computer laboratory at St. Christopher?s consists of 5 computer systems with no printers or other computer peripherals of any kind. The 5 computer systems connect to the internet via a wireless network that is only operational less than half of the time.

11. There is no new building for the students. The new building that was intended for the students was decided against. The only new structure that St. Christopher?s is currently attempting to purchase is a small building across the street to move the faculty into. No classes will be held in this structure. The current student building behind and above the Pizza Hut is going to be used for at least the next five years.

12. St. Christopher?s no longer has any association with the University of Luton or any other institution of higher education except for the Anatomy and Neuroanatomy Dissection that takes place at Guys, Kings, Thomas (GKT) College in London. Although previous semesters of students have had access to the University of Luton's Library, Computer Area, Study Areas, and Laboratories, the administration of the school has discontinued this association without any proper replacement.

13. If you express an opinion about this school that the owners of St. Christopher?s do not agree with, and they can determine who you are, you will be threatened and coerced into towing the party line or told to leave. This is the reason that many students on this forum post anonymously because of the potential horrific repercussions that can occur if one was found to be telling the truth about St. Christopher?s anywhere.

14. St. Christopher?s no longer offers hospital access from the first semester. The first opportunity that the students have for patient access is during the 4th semester as part of one of their classes.

15. St. Christopher?s webpage is severely out of date and represents various things that are blatantly no longer true. This webpage should no longer be trusted to provide any truthful or factual information about the medical college.

16. St. Christopher?s administration promise many things, but many of these things often turn out not to be true or remain to be seen. Please keep this in mind ?A promise is just words and nothing more until what was promised materializes? and we have yet to see any of the promises made by the St. Chris administration bear fruit.


Some people on this site you should watch out for that are from St. Chris are mtt, bts4202, and futrphysician. The first two are moderators on the St. Chris forum and are paid by St. Chris to make sure that certain controversial material never reaches the public. Futrphysician has been known to outright lie on these forums in order to protect the school and is also a SGA Class rep which ties him to the administration of the school. As you can imagine all three of these people have something to gain by censoring the people of these forums with regard to matters involving St. Chris and everything to lose if they don't. Heed their words at your own peril

Where is this ridicoulous school located and why applies anybody there?

WOW!!!!
I 1st heard about this in undergrad when someone in this pre-med org I was in, was applying there. Luckily they ended up not going. That is really crazy!!

IMG_MDtobe -- certainly an indictment, but...

Why did you not reveal your affiliation? How do you know all these things (i.e., why not list your sources), for example about the professors' backgrounds and the particulars of their training (1,2,3,4)? Why make allusions to training deficits that you admittedly can't substantiate (e.g., 1:"It is not known...")? Does any professor anywhere know the answer to all questions posed in his/her field? Where'd you come up with the 50% down time for Internet (10)? Why make characterizations without examples (e.g., 13,15,16)?

How could you possibly know:


The first two are moderators on the St. Chris forum and are paid by St. Chris to make sure that certain controversial material never reaches the public.


Basically, if the problems you're listing are real, you have done an extremely poor job of exposing them.

-pitman

:laugh: :laugh:

People should visit the St. Chris forum at ValueMD if they want more info on this. The forum has seens its bad days lately. Prospectives are denied important information on St. Chris' clinicals, residencies and many other important issues.

Not to mention, before people got upset, the forum only contained good things about St. Chris. THe mods definitely have NEVER said anything bad about the school, which makes you suspect. SGU, Ross, and AUC mods at ValueMD all give you both sides of the info.

Originally posted by futrfysician
Its not a chip...its a log. ;) People like you place it there. Your libelous comments about something you know absolutely NOTHING about are both laughable and sad. :laugh: You speak from a position of ignorance. You know less about St. Christophers than I and BTS and many others who happen to be here and yet you spout some sort of line like you are an expert. :laugh: BTS made a complete and utter fool of you with your UK medical line telling us that we couldn't be licenced here when we can. Just a few more hoops to jump thru. :cool:

So here are some critical questions for the expert in you which I am sure will make you look absolutely stupid:

Can you cite Director Bains first name?

Who is the Anatomy Professor and what is his specialty?

Who teaches Behavioral Science and what was his prior specialty before beomcing a Psychiatrist?

Who is Dr. Gray?

Ok, genius...answer away. I am laughing already. You keep digging and I'll keep throwing the dirt back into your grave.:clap:

Hey, come on down to Luton and see it..ask around about those questions....maybe then, you'll end your attacks.:laugh:

I never did get back to the questions that you asked earlier and it looks like I no longer need to. I actually feel sorry for you. I TOLD YOU in more than one post that lies and dishonesty will get you nowhere. Indeed, I would like to take this opportunity to say that the consistent arrogance, lunacy, and general infancy in your posts is what gave you away.....I knew you were an imposter months ago, mate. You're not so smug now, are you? :) The game is now over. Take care of yourself.....and good luck looking for a new job.

IMG_MDtobe, I believe, is a current first semester student at St. Chris.

St Chris students all I ask "Are these pics real"? :laugh: :laugh:
If they are, then that answers it all :p

The post is apparently the perspective of a visitor to, or student or former student of SC, or someone who knows the same. Other people are just as free to make posts on the subject from their own perspective. I of course am not and will not make any judgment about it. As far as SDN is concerned, this is much what these Forums are about. - SE, SDN Moderator.

Originally posted by lotanna
St Chris students all I ask "Are these pics real"? :laugh: :laugh:
If they are, then that answers it all :p

The photos are humorous, but really say nothing to the charges lobbed against the school (what, school must suck b.c. it really is above Pizza Hut? School must suck b.c. it doesn't have a $10k sound system?). It's not news that St. Chris. does not have a large endowment and has in the past had some accreditation anomalies, but until IMG_MDtobe does some explaining (see above), take each of his 'points' with a grain of salt. Note that I am NOT asking moderators to take action, but am asking others to refrain from judgment until some clarification has been made.

Further, if IMG_MDtobe is a current student at a school which he accuses of applying censorship pressures, why is he risking his position with this post, what is his motive, and what are his plans (rectify? transfer?) In other words, give reasons to help others believe him, since clearly he wants to be believed.

-pitman

At first, I thought this post was a joke. I tried to look up St. Christopher in MSAR, but they aren't listed. Apparently, they aren't accredited by AAMC. So, they really aren't a US medical school. The best part was when I found their website and saw this picture. It's the same classroom above the Pizza Hut except from the inside!!!

http://www.stchris.edu/pages/admissions.htm

Originally posted by oldtimer
Apparently, they aren't accredited by AAMC. So, they really aren't a US medical school.

They don't claim to be a US med school. Read the older threads on the school for more info.

-pitman

Also note that the only two posts from IMG_MDtobe are this one and the same slam against St. Chris. in the Pre-Allopathic forum. This never reflects well on a poster..

But I'll wait for IMG_MDtobe to respond to my issues before I jump to any conclusions about him (again, people, all we know of at best is two photos, which may or may not be completely accurate representations, so back down -- better yet, read some of the older threads on St. Chris. to at least catch up on the sturm).

-pitman

I was going to apply to St. Chris,

BUT, then I read this forum and I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!!!!

C'mon, really, signs of a really lame argument usually include items that just don't make sense in the argument.

In particular:

why would having a school above a pizza hut really affect the quality of education?

why would using a karaoke machine in lectures be bad? ( I actually think is a positive thing; it shows that the admin are looking to provide more bang for the buck).

Is anyone out there a St. Chris alumni? Can you give us the 411 on whether any of this shizznit is true?

Cheers all,

Silenthunder

well...

i am often over at the valuemd forum, and i can tell you that the post was edited and then deleted by moderators. the reasons were that the profs did not give the poster permision to use their names...apparently, the school belongs to some organization that precludes giving names of profs, match lists, etc...i find that sketchy. if somebody posted the same list about st georges, for example, it would likely be discussed, verified, shown to be false or whatever. but, when st chris is the topic, rarely does a professional discussion follow.

i am not in a position to verify any information. it seems the logical next step of a pissed student who feels mislead by students and admin, though. and i do know that st chris is a secretive school, and the students there are eternal optimists, very secretive and outright hostile on the occasion that less than positive information about the school is brought up.

and i can tell you that the post was edited and then deleted by moderators

Actually, the original post quite clearly states that the poster edited his own post. He has now decided, aparently, that his original post was not enough and wants to spread his tabloid views some more.

People who only speak of the positive and people who only speak of the negeative should be taken with a grain of salt. It seems like someone who has gone out of their way to proliferate extremely negative, and largely untrue, things about a school should be viewed with caution. I can go to harvard and take a picture of a dumpster next to a building and say "hey, Harvard is a dump!!" That doesn't make it true.

Just to address a few issues:

The majority of proffs are great here. They are all qualified to teach and many of tehm have taught in other medical schools around the world and some in the US. I have heard that the embryo proff is not that great, but nowhere you go will all your proffesors be great.

The karyoke machine was bought for the first semester class THIS TERM and only because they complaioned that they had a hard time hearing the proff. The room is not that big and if the class is actually quiet, you can hear just fine. However, the admin went out immediately and bought a temporary solution to their complaint. It is kind of funny, i bet that the person posting is one of the same people who complained about not being able to hear and because the admin didn't imediately put in a $10,000 sound system, they felt jipped.

The pic of pizza hut is hysterical. Not only is the building 3X bigger than that in length and at least 2x that in width, he tried to act as if that is the whole building... a small area above a pizza hut. He really could have a bright career in tabloid journalism. No to mention that several colleges in Oxford University and Cambridge University are set up in the exact same manner that SC is. I am serious, go to Oxford and go to the science and mathmatics college and you will see that on one side of their building is small grocers, clothing stores, etc. I wonder if those universities suck on that basis alone?

actually, i pretty much think the profs sound ok, and who cares about a karaoke machine or pizza hut. it is the issues from point 7 to point 16 that are sketchy.

sounds to me like there are facility issues. considering the privacy policy about clinicals and matches, it seems that st chris expects a lot of trust from the students. everything is "we plan this" or "we can't tell you that" or "come to the school". personally, i think that should be a huge red flag for prospective students. if you trust them, and you go and are disappointed with what you get, i really can't feel a lot of sympathy. more should be expected in the way of information dispersion from a school that is trying to attract students.

just my .02

Originally posted by neilc
actually, i pretty much think the profs sound ok, and who cares about a karaoke machine or pizza hut. it is the issues from point 7 to point 16 that are sketchy.

sounds to me like there are facility issues. considering the privacy policy about clinicals and matches, it seems that st chris expects a lot of trust from the students. everything is "we plan this" or "we can't tell you that" or "come to the school". personally, i think that should be a huge red flag for prospective students. if you trust them, and you go and are disappointed with what you get, i really can't feel a lot of sympathy. more should be expected in the way of information dispersion from a school that is trying to attract students.

First of all, I have looked at Charles website and I do not see any match lists nor US clinical spots or anything else of that nature. Charles university is a long established respectable university that you attend, yet you claim that a school that does not post that info on their website is questionable. I see a contradiction.

as for 7 through 16 and the apparent "facility issues":

7-8 where used at Luton Uni, we have now discontinued our realtionship with them and are building our own labs and library. However, Luton Uni library is still available to us using our ID's and labs are being dealt with now. Labs will be completed by next term and the studnts this term will be able to use temp labs until that time.

9: so what? They have access to many specimens at GKT during anatomy lab. Just because the school doesn't have cadavers everywhere doesn't really reflect the quality of the school.

10: there are 5 computers in the lab however there is a totally open wireless network that people use their laptops with. If we included how many people use laptops as a part of the computer system, there would be close to 40-50 comps. Plus, most people use Imesh and Kazaa to download movies which is why the internet is slow half the time. Stop students from doing that and maybe the internet would be fatsre more often. I see a HUGE difference in when the first semester studnts leave school, the internet is immediately faster.

11-12 are just ridiculous. The building is perfectly adequate when we use both floors and we have gotten another building across teh way for a library and for staff. There is more than enough room. However, now people are free to use the Univ of Luton library with their ID. Healthcare is taken care of by the different doctors offices we use for PD. Healthcaer is still free as always.

13 is just pure consiracy theory. As I said on valuemd, I have complained many times and organized SGA to make formal comlaints and I have seen my complaints and the complaints of my peers corrected quickly.

14 this is just untrue. I love how people who have been in med school for 2 months believe that they know everything that is happening and can comment on an entire class that they have yet to finish. The first semster students will go to the hospital as always. Plus, we go to many GP's in 4th and the hospital in 5th.... as always.

15. yup, the website is out of date and that is being rectified.

16.how in the world can someone who has been here 2 months possibly know about promises not being upheld. Seriously???? I really want to know. Should this person know more than I, who has been here 2 years and seen almost every one of the promises made to me come true? I mean, someone who has been here 2 months complaining that promises are never met just proves that their sole purpose is to discredit a school regardless of facts.

As for this users last comments, I am not paid and would not accept money even if offered. Playing the underdog may win him some sympathy, but it doesn't make his comments any more true.

From what I have heard, St. Chris needs to act like a foreign medical school. They do not give out clinicals or residency placements. We have no idea what kinds of residencies students from that school get. These are two basic questions everyone looks at, and the school flat out denies giving us information.

Originally posted by soopa
From what I have heard, St. Chris needs to act like a foreign medical school.

What in the world does this mean?? Does this mean that SC should start acting like some caribb schools? If so, we will need to start refusing to send transcripts if students transfer, fail people if they upset their proffessor, make it mandatory that proffs hit on students, give out old exams to certain ethnic groups so they can do well on exams while others struggle, get rid of most of our US clinicals, and make our living conditions equivalent to jail with a beach (islanders act like prisoners do).

Originally posted by bts4202
[B]First of all, I have looked at Charles website and I do not see any match lists nor US clinical spots or anything else of that nature. Charles university is a long established respectable university that you attend, yet you claim that a school that does not post that info on their website is questionable. I see a contradiction.


Charles is a more established and reputable institution. Charles has foreign students from everywhere in the world.

Charles does not cater mainly to US or Canadian students who eventually want to practice in the US (or Canada?).

I do not see a contradiction.

Originally posted by bts4202
Actually, the original post quite clearly states that the poster edited his own post. He has now decided, aparently, that his original post was not enough and wants to spread his tabloid views some more.



A few days before this post, this same posting on valuemd went through deletion by a moderator then disappeared for a few days. It came back yesterday, then forced to be edited and now appears here unedited.

Originally posted by bts4202
What in the world does this mean?? Does this mean that SC should start acting like some caribb schools? If so, we will need to start refusing to send transcripts if students transfer, fail people if they upset their proffessor, make it mandatory that proffs hit on students, give out old exams to certain ethnic groups so they can do well on exams while others struggle, get rid of most of our US clinicals, and make our living conditions equivalent to jail with a beach (islanders act like prisoners do). St. Chris has it own quirks. For ex, you must join the secrecy club, regurgitate the school lines, be very pliable by peer pressure.

Originally posted by poly
A few days before this post, this same posting on valuemd went through deletion by a moderator then disappeared for a few days. It came back yesterday, then forced to be edited and now appears here unedited.

Actually no, there were multiple posts on multiple fora. As is valuemd policy, the multiple posts where consolidated into one. However, even in forums where the posts where removed.. a "shadow" of the post was left so that people could still read it, just not respond to it. One open post was left in the main forum. I know it would be nice to subscribe to conspiracy theories that this user was being "suppressed", but the fact is that every effort has been made so that this person could speak his mind as long as it was within valuemd policy.


St. Chris has it own quirks. For ex, you must join the secrecy club, regurgitate the school lines, be very pliable by peer pressure.

I give real examples and you come back with this?

are you kidding about the contradiction statement??? really, US students are a minority here, not even 10% of the students. there are only a few folks that have matched, only a few have tried. US clinicals are available, but you must organize them yourself. this information is readily available. nobody is saying "we have hundreds of grads in residency, we just won't tell you where" or "we have the best clinicals of all the offshore schools, but you'll have to trust us on this. spend your money on the first two years of tuition, then we'll show you where you can go".

st chris does not compare to charles in many ways. we have over 20 different affiliated hospitals and clinics. each subject is taught by full professors who have published in the subject they are teaching. we have exchange agreements with nearly every school in europe, and hundreds more around the world. each year, we have students coming here for clinicals. how many exchange students rotate through st chris' hospitals? ha! we don't hide our clinicals because we are scared of schools stealing them, we have our own hospitals!

it has been said many, many times that charles is not going to provide you with some USMLE review curriculum, or get you US clinicals or whatever. we don't ever claim to do that. the school does not market itself as a great school to get back to the states, or as a school with top-notch residency placements, nor do they say they have great US clinicals. it is a medical school designed to train czech doctors. you can come here, learn medicine and apply that knowledge in any place you like. period.

st chris is a new school. rented facilities. i am fairly sure that you don't have a research department, and that your profs do not research in the fields they teach. you do not have hospitals, labs, your own library, etc...trust me, there is no contradiction. with charles you know what you are getting, and there is no chance that next semester any of the facilities will be gone.

anyhow, the point of all this is...buyer beware. if the school doesn't disclose information, and you trust them, then when you get screwed too bad. and, as a new school, with limited resources, you have to be prepared for changes, as exemplified by the termination of the relationship with Luton. larger schools, older and more established schools are far less likely to have these problems. if you are a wise student and you have the option, it seems crazy to opt out of the big 3 carib schools for st chris. if you do decide this, best of luck...

All that and you can only pull a 192 on your boards?

Whatever, I never said Charles is a bad school, but for americans, the lack of clinical info and placement is EXACTLEY THE SAME.

BTW, you know jack about SC. facilities are not rented and we do have research oportunities. our proffs don't do reseacrh in their fields, but neither does any other IMG around. You have a chip on your shoulder, however you recently proved taht all the boasting about charles was misplaced.

nice comeback. yeah, i did get a 192. too bad for me. but, hey i passed. and, unlike your schools students, i actually post my results, and with a name attached to it.

as far as what we say about clinical placements and residency, it is far from the same. first, we have a list, in our catalog and on the website of all our faculty and our clinical sites. no, there are none in the US. but, if there were, we would disclose them. second, we do not use this as a marketting tool, and then refuse to disclose it.

and, st chris owns the building with the pizza hut? well, that is cool then, my bad. sorry about the rental statement, that is what i thought was the case.

way to resort to personal attacks, though. childish, but about what i expect from st chris by now. let me know how you do on the boards, when you take them. karma, my freind. seems a dangerous game to mock me for my results when you have yet to sit for them...best of luck on the test!

Originally posted by bts4202
What in the world does this mean?? Does this mean that SC should start acting like some caribb schools? If so, we will need to start refusing to send transcripts if students transfer, fail people if they upset their proffessor, make it mandatory that proffs hit on students, give out old exams to certain ethnic groups so they can do well on exams while others struggle, get rid of most of our US clinicals, and make our living conditions equivalent to jail with a beach (islanders act like prisoners do).


Good job on the bashing. A moderator like you now resorts to bashing other medical schools? Caught.

What does that mean? Means to prove your track record, prove your Step 1 results, display clinicals.....just like the big 3 caribbean schools do. American students want to see US clinicals sites and their residency placements. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

And St. Chris Step 1 rate is unproven. You accept students with very low stats and yet you claim a very high pass rate. Give me a break.

Since you care so much about your school, suggest to the St. Chris admin that seriously need to review how they deal with prospectives.

Originally posted by soopa
Good job on the bashing. A moderator like you now resorts to bashing other medical schools? Caught.

Which Moderator where is bashing what??

Some people on this site you should watch out for that are from St. Chris are mtt, bts4202, and futrphysician. The first two are moderators on the St. Chris forum and are paid by St. Chris to make sure that certain controversial material never reaches the public.



This is a lie. We are not paid by anyone.

This is just an immature post from a disgruntled St Chris student.
He came in with high expectations and didn't like what he got.

Originally posted by soopa
From what I have heard, St. Chris needs to act like a foreign medical school. They do not give out clinicals or residency placements. We have no idea what kinds of residencies students from that school get. These are two basic questions everyone looks at, and the school flat out denies giving us information.

We will not reveal our clinical sites to strangers because this is our policy. If you are a current St Chris student, students entering clinicals do reveal the sites to other students.

Originally posted by poly
Charles is a more established and reputable institution. Charles has foreign students from everywhere in the world.

Charles does not cater mainly to US or Canadian students who eventually want to practice in the US (or Canada?).

I do not see a contradiction.

Actually, we have some transfers from Charles University.
We expect more next term.

Originally posted by poly
A few days before this post, this same posting on valuemd went through deletion by a moderator then disappeared for a few days. It came back yesterday, then forced to be edited and now appears here unedited.

This post violated ValueMD's rules.

We respect the privacy of individuals of will not tolerate anonymous individuals from posting private information about people.

yes, i know the transfers....:clap:

again, i will say, transfers do not tend to be the students that do well at the schools they came from. we have a lot of people that come and go...there is a reason for them to go.

we will see how the usmle pass rate is when all the transfers take it.:laugh:

This is incorrect.
This is an old classroom in the University of Luton.
It was a room used by physical therapy majors.
We no longer use this facility. We have our own place now.

The best part was when I found their website and saw this picture. It's the same classroom above the Pizza Hut except from the inside!!!

http://www.stchris.edu/pages/admissions.htm [/B]

Originally posted by soopa
Good job on the bashing. A moderator like you now resorts to bashing other medical schools? Caught.

I am not a moderator here, and the rules here do not forbid me to post fact.... neilc says that charles is a incredible school for americans to attend, however with all their great teaching, etc, he only got a 192 (by his own admission). Students here are getting 230, 235, 215, etc.... he should save his comments for what he actually knows about. Plus, you want to say our pass rate i too high? You really don't know anything about SC then. I only know 1 person in the 2 years I have been here who has failed. There may be more, but I only know one. Of all the people I know who has passed I only know one who got below a 200 and I would say I know close to 20 peoples scores. I just got word today about a girl who just finished her basic science last term who got a 238.

The point I am making is that even with all the "research and proff reasearch in their field" , etc. You can still do poorly on the boards. In a school that doesn't have all that stuff, yet teaches you what you need to know, the students tend to do better. Now, if only there was a school that had both, it would be great.

I'd like to point out the post-and-bail tactic of IMG_MDtobe -- if I were to spend the time to research and post a critique on a school whose result were to enflame, and was doing so for reasons other than merely to flame, I'd be right in there when the discussion took off, if not just to THOROUGHLY explain the perceived issues with my post itself! In other words, where's the indication of good faith?

-pitman

Originally posted by soopa
From what I have heard, St. Chris needs to act like a foreign medical school. They do not give out clinicals or residency placements. We have no idea what kinds of residencies students from that school get. These are two basic questions everyone looks at, and the school flat out denies giving us information.

Please don't ask that.....bts will tell you all about their one student who did PGY1 in surgery at the Mayo clinic; bts is very efficient and will even include the link for you. By the way, the most recent post of bts is very typical.....preferring to slander other schools to distract you before he attempts to justify the quality of "St. Christopher".

Originally posted by Friendly
Please don't ask that.....bts will tell you all about their one student who did PGY1 in surgery at the Mayo clinic; bts is very efficient and will even include the link for you. By the way, the most recent post of bts is very typical.....preferring to slander other schools to distract you before he attempts to justify the quality of "St. Christopher".

Slander = verbal

Libel = written

Although, neither one are valid in this case.

Originally posted by bts4202
I am not a moderator here, and the rules here do not forbid me to post fact.... neilc says that charles is a incredible school for americans to attend, however with all their great teaching, etc, he only got a 192 (by his own admission). Students here are getting 230, 235, 215, etc.... he should save his comments for what he actually knows about. Plus, you want to say our pass rate i too high? You really don't know anything about SC then. I only know 1 person in the 2 years I have been here who has failed. There may be more, but I only know one. Of all the people I know who has passed I only know one who got below a 200 and I would say I know close to 20 peoples scores. I just got word today about a girl who just finished her basic science last term who got a 238.




Oh, so only a moderator status will stop you from bashing. Tells us a lot about yourself.

You are telling us random scores. So what? You have no legitimacy. St. Chris doesn't say anything about residencies or Step 1 scores. It's all a secret. With St. Chris, it's only "oh i know this person got this score, and i know another person who knew another person who got this score, etc etc etc etc" You ( and I saw you b/c you probably work for the school) accept students with so low mcat scores and gpa and in 5 years you somehow magically claim to have a pass rate higher than SGU.

NO reliable information from St. Chris.

Originally posted by Friendly
Please don't ask that.....bts will tell you all about their one student who did PGY1 in surgery at the Mayo clinic; bts is very efficient and will even include the link for you. By the way, the most recent post of bts is very typical.....preferring to slander other schools to distract you before he attempts to justify the quality of "St. Christopher".

Lest you forget, this is the (non-slanderous) way that bts brought up the other school:

bts4202 said:
...I have looked at Charles website and I do not see any match lists nor US clinical spots or anything else of that nature. Charles university is a long established respectable university that you attend, yet you claim that a school that does not post that info on their website is questionable. I see a contradiction.


It's perfectly reasonable to show hypocrisy via non-uniqueness of an argument -- if not anything else, it certainly fingers the kettle.

Digression from the original (above) sort of comparison, while should be refrained by bts, is nonetheless understandable given all the baiting (lack of refraining) by others here.

-pitman

Originally posted by soopa
Oh, so only a moderator status will stop you from bashing. Tells us a lot about yourself.

You are telling us random scores. So what? You have no legitimacy. St. Chris doesn't say anything about residencies or Step 1 scores. It's all a secret. With St. Chris, it's only "oh i know this person got this score, and i know another person who knew another person who got this score, etc etc etc etc" You ( and I saw you b/c you probably work for the school) accept students with so low mcat scores and gpa and in 5 years you somehow magically claim to have a pass rate higher than SGU.

NO reliable information from St. Chris.

Soopa -- what is this garbage? A school or its students must be able to come up with whatever ev is necessary to prove wrong any characterizations others feel like dishing out?

As to whether bts is "probably" an employee of St. Chris...look up the older threads on this, as it's pretty apparent that such an allusion is unsupportable.

Damn, people expect bts to prove negatives? How about you prove you're not a child molester, soopa??

-pitman

bts...so, most people at st chris get over 200 on the boards, and my score sucks...that is just 8 points difference, my freind. sure, i would love those 8 points, but hey. and you only know one person that failed? i know zero. also, i am far and away the lowest score i have heard of from charles. so, if the lowest score from charles is only 8 points below what you consider a good score....hmmmmm.

and when i post my results, you know it is mine. all i get from you is, "i know people with this and that score". whoopdeedoo.

and, i have never said charles is an amazing place for americans to attend. in fact, i usually say the opposite. if you are american, and simply want to get back to the states, charles is not the best route. the carib schools are way better for that. charles is a good match for very few students. st chris claims to be a great place, but does not back it up with data. no comparison. no contradiction.

just cause you are upset that your school does not stand up under scrutiny, don't resort to bashing me or my school. if my school sucks, then your school must be in big trouble. st chris seems to be bragging that it is accepting students with a known track record of failing out of my school. i know exactly who is there, and i know them personally. really nice people, really not the greatest students. not a single student that passed exams here has transfered. so, hopefully, they can blossom at st chris. (by the way, most schools require that you are in good academic standing at a previous school to transfer. apparently not st. chris...) the fact is, you guys are taking folks that couldn't cut it here. and that seems to be a common thread with folks at st chris. lots of transfers that you brag about. well, transfers, in my experience are nearly always the worst students at the school they transfer from. not always, but nearly always...

good luck on the boards.

transfers, in my experience are nearly always the worst students at the school they transfer from. not always, but nearly always...

I know many people who have gone to schools like yours with mostly oral exams and failed miserably, then gone to a school with an objective scoring system (not when a proff dislikes you they fail you) and they do sooo much better.




i know exactly who is there, and i know them personally. really nice people, really not the greatest students. not a single student that passed exams here has transfered. so, hopefully, they can blossom at st chris

I didn't even know one was here. I will have to speak to him and ask him about his experience and if it is like most other schools of its kind. Failing people during orals just because the proff doesn't like them . Very biased and not objective at all.

by the way, most schools require that you are in good academic standing at a previous school to transfer. apparently not st. chris

Actually, the caribb schools share each others fail outs. Some AUC failures just shift over to Ross or other schools and visa versa.

just cause you are upset that your school does not stand up under scrutiny, don't resort to bashing me or my school.

Who is bashing? I am just stating facts and asking those hard questions you like to talk about. Your facts do not add up. I have not seen any other charles score but yours... so since you released your score less than a week ago, you schools scoring reputation is now drastically superior to SC? That really doesn't make sense. SC has been providing it first time pass rate for some tiime now, it is not our fault if you just don't believe it.

and you only know one person that failed? i know zero. also, i am far and away the lowest score i have heard of from charles. so, if the lowest score from charles is only 8 points below what you consider a good score....hmmmmm.

Where is the proof that no one from charles has failed the USMLE step 1. I do not see that on the website or anywhere like that. I think it should be published by the school, that is an important factor prospective students need to consider when looking at a school. BTW, I never said a 200 is a good score, I just said I only know one person who got below a 200. An average score is 210-215 (US average). A good score is >225.

and when i post my results, you know it is mine. all i get from you is, "i know people with this and that score". whoopdeedoo

That is because very few people from SC want anything to do with any of these sites because of people like you who want to spew crap about other people all day long, then act all offended when someone turns the tough questions back onto you. If you can dish out the criticism, you damn sure better be able to take it.

Originally posted by bts4202
Slander = verbal

Libel = written

Although, neither one are valid in this case.

....and he usually leaves the thread if you ignore him.

well, it is not really possible to fail here if a prof doesn't like you. i am sure that is what some may tell you though. the fact is, if you are on your third and final attempt, you need to be examined by a different prof, or even a panel of profs. one prof cannot fail you. period. sure, oral exams are more difficult than MCQ's in some ways. but, students that study always do well. there is just no chance of guessing correct answers, and you can only rarely get away without learning all the topics that you may be tested on.

so, i think i would consider that uninformed reply school bashing. and, trust me...if these folks do better, either they will have undergone a drastic transformation in study habits, or the school is much easier. nobody, and i mean nobody, fails here that does not absolutely deserve it. they give many folks second and even third chances, when there is even the slightest doubt.

speaking of transfers....i know the folks that transfered out of charles, and they all failed miserably. don't know where they all went, but they are somewhere, and at least one is at st chris. and, not too long ago, we got a transfer in. he had passed all of his courses, verified by transcripts. i was in class with him. he didn't even last a semester! so, i he was not even slightly prepared for third year courses (path, pathophys, pharm) after being deemed ready for clinicals by st chris. interesting.

i think there is a point you are missing, too....my university does not attempt to pass itself off as a top-choice for us students. as such, it doesn't even make an effort to claim top residency placements or excellent US clinicals, or great USMLE prep. so, i think you can understand why my school doesn't even care what we get on the test or what it's grads do. st chris actively markets to US students, and claims to be a great choice. well, if you are going to claim it, then you should be able to prove it.

and, i am sure that charles university would be happy to take the academic pepsi challenge against st chris any day. please....you are comparing a your little school with less than 10 years history against a university that has doctors practicing all over the world, doing research in all fields, guest lecturing at med schools all over (including the US), etc...it has grads such as Jan Purkyne and Rudolph Virchow...and you are going to say "what are the USMLE results and residency placement list". give me a break. those states are only important to such a small part of the medical education world, it is just ridiculous.

if you are going to claim st chris is a good option, then back it up. don't try to drag my school into this. my school has a completely different agenda, and it has proven many times over tha it is a good school, even without posting USMLE and residency stats...

Originally posted by neilc
and, not too long ago, we got a transfer in. he had passed all of his courses, verified by transcripts. i was in class with him. he didn't even last a semester! so, i he was not even slightly prepared for third year courses (path, pathophys, pharm) after being deemed ready for clinicals by st chris. interesting.


weren't you just the one saying "don't trust transfers, they usually transfered out for a reason!!" Why would anyone in their right mind transfer when they are about start clinicals only to have to retake path and pharm that they supposedly already passed? That makes no sense. Most likely the student failed here just as they did at charles and they lied to you.

Originally posted by bts4202
weren't you just the one saying "don't trust transfers, they usually transfered out for a reason!!" Why would anyone in their right mind transfer when they are about start clinicals only to have to retake path and pharm that they supposedly already passed? That makes no sense. Most likely the student failed here just as they did at charles and they lied to you.

well, unless he forged his transcripts, he didn't fail. i was in the office when he registered, saw them with my own eyes. i agree, transfers transfer for a reason, and i am sure he had his...that is exactly my point.

[QUOTE]
I]Originally posted by bts4202[/I]
Slander = verbal

Libel = written

Although, neither one are valid in this case.


Originally posted by Friendly
....and he usually leaves the thread if you ignore him.

I'm not clear as to your point here, Friendly.

Only in a legal sense is slander necessarily verbal, but not sure what that context above is, so I can't tell how you're addressing it...

-pitman

Mr. Brown nose, If Ross is that good, why go to Aussie?!See ya all tomorrow. good luck to every hard worker out there in dominica, and say hi to Dr. tweedle, if he still teaches at Ross, he is a good man.

YO!

What is wrong with this picture?

In the last several threads I've seen about St. Chris., I've seen the attackers make mostly unsupportable or outright erroneous accusations against the school or bts. The rest of the attacks were mere allusions.

Maybe there's a piece of particular history each of you have with the school/person that causes the punches to come out so quickly and viciously, but this thread started with a HIGHLY sensational, unsubstantiated attack on the school, which attack has served only to rally OTHERS to attack the school for completely different and obscurely defined reasons.

Doesn't such an attack call for even a little slack when the response from those affiliated with the school is just a tad bit defensive? But no...then the attackers, escalating in response, accuse the defensive responders of unjustifyable escalation/slander/bias? What the ??

Look at this pattern from a political (or pack animal) angle:

1) someone plays bad cop, throwing out highly speculative, unsubstantiated claims and ALLUSIONS. 2) others jump in on the bandwagon using ambiguous photos as support of some anti-whatever (aka: pro-allusional) agenda. 3) the implicated parties try to respond to the attacks, but now that there's a "foothold" from 1-2, everyone behaves as though the parties have already been proven guilty. 4) Next thread, the attackers find solace and are bonded by their choice to remember only the defensive tone and/or the initial unsubstantiated attack, rather than the substance of the arguments; those on defense have regrouped to build their support; this reactive behavior then seems to support conspiracy theories; the die is caste and the cycle winds tighter...

Of COURSE St. Chris ppl are defensive right now...so use that defensiveness to your attack advantage?? For what agenda again??

Like a damn pack of dogs.

Someone make an indpendent EXPLICIT unhypocritical, verifyable claim against the school and back it up, or SHUT THE **** UP.

-pitman

Merged other 10 or so posts about Ross into the most recent Ross thread.

Feel free to continue on subject.

Originally posted by neilc

i think there is a point you are missing, too....my university does not attempt to pass itself off as a top-choice for us students. as such, it doesn't even make an effort to claim top residency placements or excellent US clinicals, or great USMLE prep. so, i think you can understand why my school doesn't even care what we get on the test or what it's grads do. st chris actively markets to US students, and claims to be a great choice. well, if you are going to claim it, then you should be able to prove it.

.....

if you are going to claim st chris is a good option, then back it up.


Exactly. St. Chris doesn't prove anything. Nor does it provide even a hint of information on these important issues that US students care about. This issue has finally hit the prospectives applying to St. Chris and are now questioning as to why the school doesn't support itself better. Do you really think a prospective wants to hear, "Just trust us."

Guys I found this on another forum...for anyone interested in St.Chris you may want to read this:

http://www.doj.state.or.us/releases/rel072500.htm


The defendants told students questioning the school?s credentials that their St. John?s transcripts would be accredited through St. Christopher?s College of Medicine with campuses in both Cambridge, England and Dakar, Senegal and an "office of registrar" in Florida. Students were encouraged to view the St. Christopher?s web site, which features campus photos of Cambridge University, not St. Christopher?s College of Medicine. The actual school is in an upstairs location in a nearby neighborhood.

According to the Oregon Office of Degree Authorization (ODA) and the World Health Organization (WHO), St. John?s University School of Medicine is not currently licensed by government agencies in Montserrat or Oregon and St. Christopher?s College of Medicine does not appear to be licensed or accredited by anyone. In Britain and Senegal, medical students are required to take classes for five to eight years in order to obtain a degree. St. Christopher?s web site offers a four?year program in both of those countries.

Number one: That is from like 1999 or 2000 and teh state of Oregon was wrong in their assessment of St. Chris. There is very obvious proof:

http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.htmlhttp://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html

St. John's is still on Oregon's list of Unapproved schools, SC is not!!

Number 2: Go to http://imed.ecfmg.org/results.asp?country=0&school=St%2E+Christopher%27s+college+of+Medicine&currpage=1&cname=&city=&region=0&rname=&psize=25

That is very obviously SC listed on the IMED directory proving our charter and our ability to take the USMLE, etc.

Also see the WHO updates at : http://www.who.int/hrh/documents/en/wdms_update.pdf

St. Chris is listed under Senegal as always.

Originally posted by redshifteffect
Guys I found this on another forum...for anyone interested in St.Chris you may want to read this:

http://www.doj.state.or.us/releases/rel072500.htm
[/B]

red -- this was addressed in the last St. Chris thread (August):

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77965

-pitman

Originally posted by pitman
red -- this was addressed in the last St. Chris thread (August):

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77965

-pitman

Sorry guys just found it on the valuemd site..and though I would share it..didn't realize it was that outdated :o

Although I have not written or responded to posts for some time, this post from IMG_MDtobe has brought me out of retirement in an effort to clarify what seems to be seriously misleading negatives leveled at the program.

Those who are "old timers" on these forums (Like Dr. Durst, Neil and Researching Guy) will recognise my longterm screename, e-mail address and unique writing style. For what it's worth, here are my 2 pence....

Points 1-4 deal with the teaching faculty. As a student that has been with the program for nearly 2 years, I can say that the one thing that has changed the most in this time is the quality, number and professionalism of the professors and instructors. In fact, out of the areas of the school that might be critisized, the level and type of instruction is almost unasalable-it is in fact the BEST it has ever been! (BTW for those who don't know
me- when choosing a "C" word to describe me, it would more likely be "Critic" rather than "Cheerleader").

The teaching staff is young (30's, 40's and some 50's), multicultural, international and made up up both academics (PhD's) with research experience in their areas of expertise and Medical Doctors (MD's) with real world clinical experience-just as one might expect and hope for.

The critiques leveled, I must admit I found a bit bizarre-1) "doubling up on courses", 2) "not being able to answer every question", or 3) practicing in countries other than the US or England. First, I never knew a professor who was lucky enough to teach only one course-that would seem strange indeed.
Second, as an example, medical student might ask a clinically related question to a Ph'D, who may not have the clinical experience to answer - so it would be quite acceptable to say just that, or defer the answer until the instructor can access the appropriate instructor or material. Lastly, while good medicine is practiced in the US, the US doesn't have a monopoly on good doctors!(where we have a big advantage is in medical and pharmeceutical research ) In fact, doctors from other countries may be able to offer more first hand knowledge on many pathologies not seen frequently by doctors in all areas of the US.

As for some of the instructors mentioned: Dr. G is one of the most highly regarded professors at St. Chris. He's thorough, uncompromising, fair, interested and interesting.
Dr. Sh is extremely knowledgable, uses multiple teaching devices to get the message through and her socratic philosophy means you better know the info before you step into her class-having said that, she is also kind and interested in the students mastering the information.

As for the others mentioned, each has brought equally interesting backrounds and strengths to the faculty. If you were to go back to some of my waay old network54 postswith regard to faculty, I probably used the term
the "good, bad and the ugly" more than once. But here and now, the faculty is by and large - good.

Point 5: Whatever you call it, it is a wireless microphone and speaker system to sufficiently amplify lectures, so that no student is left out. I think it is a cost efficient and clever solution to a real concern for some of the students.

Point 6: A misleading photo. Produced not to convey an inadequacy, but just to make the school look bad in a mean spirited way. (which also casts doubt on the credability
of the author of the original post). This photo is only embarassing in that we do not get a 20% DISCOUNT for meals! Seriously though, british architecture almost universaly
builds low rise structures in the city centers and places retail shops at the street levels of all the buildings. It is visually misleading, as the building can be HUGE and DEEP,
as the building that St. Chris occupies is. The actual St. Chris is much, much, much larger than the 2 windows he pictured represents. But don't take my word for it, come and see for yourself!

Point 7: Lack of a library still, is indeed a problem. I still use the Luton Univ. library without a problem, at least for now. I hope this wiil become a priority for the school.

Points 8 and 9: Labs for Anatomy and Neuro Anatomy, are still at Kings and they are awsome facilities! I understand from the former AMSA pres. that proper labs in the current building are in the works.

Point 10: If you have your own computer and wireless card, as I understand it from my friends that bring their laptops, there is no problem. If you have to rely on the schools computers, they sometimes are slower on the network and there are crush times (between classes) but at night, no problem. Also many if not most students have internet at home.

Point 11: I don't know what's wrong with the building we're in. And I can't comment on building plans as I have no idea.

Point 12: Adressed above.

Point 13: I can understand why one would want to post anonymously. I do as well, or at least used to-there are some that do now know who I am. Having said that, I don't believe in
posting for postings sake or to grind an axe or to carry out an agenda or vendetta. Only for informational purposes. If you have legitimate concerns or suggestions, no forums are the correct address to rectify your concerns. You need to address/articulate them professionally and coherently to the person or persons that can affect a change.

Point 14: There is hospital access/"hands on" medicine exposure in a true sense in both the 4th and 5th semester. I think the banner that says "...from the first semester" should be
changed if it hasn't been already. It seems to have been an ill concieved/not very well thought out attempt at recriutment.

Point 15: I have seen a sample of the new webpage format. It is simple, attractive and to the point. I think it will be implented in the coming weeks.

Point 16: No real comment.

I know both mtt and bts, the students most often replying to queries on the forums. Mtt is a top student, super consciencious and a very generous guy with his time. Needless to say he
he doesn't get paid, but responds out of the goodness that is in his personality makeup. He endeavors to provide information where he feels it is helpful. He is interested in the school showing it's best face and in attracting high quality students that will reflect well on the school. On a personal note, he has pulled my fanny out of the fire on more than one occasion! Even taking the time to tutor me on the weekend before an exam. He is a great source for information and a true professional who will make an outstanding physician!

bts, aside from being a southerner (kidding), is another good studnet and a affable and highly motivated future doctor. He has been a source of energy and student organizing since he arrived.
I pity the poor american medical students who are going to be competing with this guy in clinicals!

In conclusion, Yes, let me say it again for the 100th time. In my opinion, all of these off shore schools are flawed to some degree, including St. Chris. We are better than some and not as good as others-hey, it's just common sense.

I can't think of a logical reason for the author of the original post to have written this misleading and in parts, just plain untrue posting. It seems like he has some other issues that he needs to work through, finding the right people to address his concerns to. Alternately, he seems like he might do better at schools like St. George's or Ross.

I'll also repeat, that it's important to check out any school before you pack your bags and write your check! Talk to as many student from the school as possible. Ask tough questions!
It's your education and money. It seems that some people on these forums did more research before they bought their laptop or palm, than they do on their medical school of choice!

Anyway, I hope these clarifications help and best of luck to all!

Duncan MacLeod <going back to forum posting retirement>
The Highlander:"There can be only one...."
St. Chris Student


:idea:

Although I have not written or responded to posts for some time, this post from IMG_MDtobe has brought me out of retirement in an effort to clarify what seems to be seriously misleading negatives leveled at the program.

Those who are "old timers" on these forums (Like Dr. Durst, Neil and Researching Guy) will recognise my longterm screename, e-mail address and unique writing style. For what it's worth, here are my 2 pence....

Points 1-4 deal with the teaching faculty. As a student that has been with the program for nearly 2 years, I can say that the one thing that has changed the most in this time is the quality, number and professionalism of the professors and instructors. In fact, out of the areas of the school that might be critisized, the level and type of instruction is almost unasalable-it is in fact the BEST it has ever been! (BTW for those who don't know
me- when choosing a "C" word to describe me, it would more likely be "Critic" rather than "Cheerleader").

The teaching staff is young (30's, 40's and some 50's), multicultural, international and made up up both academics (PhD's) with research experience in their areas of expertise and Medical Doctors (MD's) with real world clinical experience-just as one might expect and hope for.

The critiques leveled, I must admit I found a bit bizarre-1) "doubling up on courses", 2) "not being able to answer every question", or 3) practicing in countries other than the US or England. First, I never knew a professor who was lucky enough to teach only one course-that would seem strange indeed.
Second, as an example, medical student might ask a clinically related question to a Ph'D, who may not have the clinical experience to answer - so it would be quite acceptable to say just that, or defer the answer until the instructor can access the appropriate instructor or material. Lastly, while good medicine is practiced in the US, the US doesn't have a monopoly on good doctors!(where we have a big advantage is in medical and pharmeceutical research ) In fact, doctors from other countries may be able to offer more first hand knowledge on many pathologies not seen frequently by doctors in all areas of the US.

As for some of the instructors mentioned: Dr. G is one of the most highly regarded professors at St. Chris. He's thorough, uncompromising, fair, interested and interesting.
Dr. Sh is extremely knowledgable, uses multiple teaching devices to get the message through and her socratic philosophy means you better know the info before you step into her class-having said that, she is also kind and interested in the students mastering the information.

As for the others mentioned, each has brought equally interesting backrounds and strengths to the faculty. If you were to go back to some of my waay old network54 postswith regard to faculty, I probably used the term
the "good, bad and the ugly" more than once. But here and now, the faculty is by and large - good.

Point 5: Whatever you call it, it is a wireless microphone and speaker system to sufficiently amplify lectures, so that no student is left out. I think it is a cost efficient and clever solution to a real concern for some of the students.

Point 6: A misleading photo. Produced not to convey an inadequacy, but just to make the school look bad in a mean spirited way. (which also casts doubt on the credability
of the author of the original post). This photo is only embarassing in that we do not get a 20% DISCOUNT for meals! Seriously though, british architecture almost universaly
builds low rise structures in the city centers and places retail shops at the street levels of all the buildings. It is visually misleading, as the building can be HUGE and DEEP,
as the building that St. Chris occupies is. The actual St. Chris is much, much, much larger than the 2 windows he pictured represents. But don't take my word for it, come and see for yourself!

Point 7: Lack of a library still, is indeed a problem. I still use the Luton Univ. library without a problem, at least for now. I hope this wiil become a priority for the school.

Points 8 and 9: Labs for Anatomy and Neuro Anatomy, are still at Kings and they are awsome facilities! I understand from the former AMSA pres. that proper labs in the current building are in the works.

Point 10: If you have your own computer and wireless card, as I understand it from my friends that bring their laptops, there is no problem. If you have to rely on the schools computers, they sometimes are slower on the network and there are crush times (between classes) but at night, no problem. Also many if not most students have internet at home.

Point 11: I don't know what's wrong with the building we're in. And I can't comment on building plans as I have no idea.

Point 12: Adressed above.

Point 13: I can understand why one would want to post anonymously. I do as well, or at least used to-there are some that do now know who I am. Having said that, I don't believe in
posting for postings sake or to grind an axe or to carry out an agenda or vendetta. Only for informational purposes. If you have legitimate concerns or suggestions, no forums are the correct address to rectify your concerns. You need to address/articulate them professionally and coherently to the person or persons that can affect a change.

Point 14: There is hospital access/"hands on" medicine exposure in a true sense in both the 4th and 5th semester. I think the banner that says "...from the first semester" should be
changed if it hasn't been already. It seems to have been an ill concieved/not very well thought out attempt at recriutment.

Point 15: I have seen a sample of the new webpage format. It is simple, attractive and to the point. I think it will be implented in the coming weeks.

Point 16: No real comment.

I know both mtt and bts, the students most often replying to queries on the forums. Mtt is a top student, super consciencious and a very generous guy with his time. Needless to say he
he doesn't get paid, but responds out of the goodness that is in his personality makeup. He endeavors to provide information where he feels it is helpful. He is interested in the school showing it's best face and in attracting high quality students that will reflect well on the school. On a personal note, he has pulled my fanny out of the fire on more than one occasion! Even taking the time to tutor me on the weekend before an exam. He is a great source for information and a true professional who will make an outstanding physician!

bts, aside from being a southerner (kidding), is another good studnet and a affable and highly motivated future doctor. He has been a source of energy and student organizing since he arrived.
I pity the poor american medical students who are going to be competing with this guy in clinicals!

In conclusion, Yes, let me say it again for the 100th time. In my opinion, all of these off shore schools are flawed to some degree, including St. Chris. We are better than some and not as good as others-hey, it's just common sense.

I can't think of a logical reason for the author of the original post to have written this misleading and in parts, just plain untrue posting. It seems like he has some other issues that he needs to work through, finding the right people to address his concerns to. Alternately, he seems like he might do better at schools like St. George's or Ross.

I'll also repeat, that it's important to check out any school before you pack your bags and write your check! Talk to as many student from the school as possible. Ask tough questions!
It's your education and money. It seems that some people on these forums did more research before they bought their laptop or palm, than they do on their medical school of choice!

Anyway, I hope these clarifications help and best of luck to all!

Duncan MacLeod <going back to forum posting retirement>
The Highlander:"There can be only one...."
St. Chris Student


:idea:

Nice to see such an intelligent and professionally articulated post. :)

I want to also address the matter of the leading post containing names of St. Chris profs.

It is a long-established convention that, unlike employees at some private companies or organizations, and unlike students, professors at public or private but open for enrollment educational institutions are public individuals when operating in their teaching capacity (their research and personal lives can be another matter).

Because of this, people will occasionally voice their opinions in public regarding their professors, and will delineate them by name. There are, in fact, countless publicly and privately funded public internet Forums that are devoted to this purpose exclusively. Who among us has never deliberately sought out information about the teaching of potential professors, whether from said public sources, or even from the grapevine that could be learned while mingling in the cafeteria?

Given this, I see it as not generally something for Moderator censure when people post opinions of their professors teaching, and do so using their professors' names. Meanwhile, anonymity issues do indeed come into play and are protected with respect to others--not the least of which are SDN member names.

SDN Forums are forums of and for opinions, open to all who meet and agree to the membership criteria, and SDN cannot officially address the validity/non-validity of the claims of ANY post. It would be impossible for us or any other organization to run an open public forum if that was a requirement. But again on a personal note, it is nice to see intelligent and professionally articulated debate like especially the above post.

Not this pic again! I have never posted on this forum but i just got something to say. St. Chris is an opportunity, its in your hands to excel!!! Who gives a crap if even classes are IN the PizzaHut!!! St. Chris is just an opportunity to become a doctor and if you are complaining u got no right to discourage others to persue their dreams! Goodluck to everyone at St. Chris and work hard and your dreams will come true!!!

1 question though, why is the charter from Senegal, and not the UK, if classes are in England? Not tryin to start nothin, just a simple question, hoping for a simple answer.
Way to go Duncan, like ur style :)

Originally posted by lotanna
1 question though, why is the charter from Senegal, and not the UK, if classes are in England? Not tryin to start nothin, just a simple question, hoping for a simple answer.
Way to go Duncan, like ur style :)

- probably to attract more students; remember there are a lot of ppl in the UK that don't get into med school as well. My hunch is that they started off catering to them...and then found that it would be easier to cater to Americans.

SC has always been catered to Americans. There are a few british students here, but not too many due to the high tuition compared to loan availability.

The school is chartered in Senegal because they were willing to charter us in exchange for our help in their healthcare and education system. The reason we have one campus in England is for the AMerican students. It is extremely unlikely that Americans would travel to Senegal for med school, so England looks really good as far as living conditions are concerned.

The relationship is fairly well developed now. We provide a medical school in Senegal for Senegalese students as well as provide healthcare and basic educational teaching for town people. In england we are working to be more involved in healthcare awareness campains and local community projects. We have been featured in the local Luton newspaper and will be on BBC in 2 weeks. These things have increased our exposure which, hopefully, will also increase our ability to get involved.

I hope this answered your question,

Originally posted by IMG_MDtobe
...

Some people on this site you should watch out for that are from St. Chris are mtt, bts4202, and futrphysician. The first two are moderators on the St. Chris forum and are paid by St. Chris to make sure that certain controversial material never reaches the public.

Perhaps there is some truth to this paid business concerning mtt.

Take a look at http://www.valuemd.com/viewtopic.php?t=8565&start=20

Originally posted by poly
Perhaps there is some truth to this paid business concerning mtt.

Take a look at http://www.valuemd.com/viewtopic.php?t=8565&start=20

Perhaps, but that thread does not merit an increase in concern, unless the issue is whether mtt's ever made money off of the school, rather than if he's currently being paid to propagandize.

I'm a freelance tech consultant, I've sold my software to over 10,000 organizations, including several medical schools. But it wouldn't make sense to think that therefore maybe I'm paid to spin image for one of them.

Interestingly, if I happen to like an organization I'm a part of, I'm more likely to do work (volunteer or otherwise) for them.

-pitman

Originally posted by poly
Perhaps there is some truth to this paid business concerning mtt.

Take a look at http://www.valuemd.com/viewtopic.php?t=8565&start=20

this seems a bit irrelevent to me...so the guy made a few bucks with his computer skills. if i could do that with my school, i would.

the questions about bts, mtt and whoever being paid reps have been answered time and time again. they are not being paid to promote the school. simple.

tough questions are great for any school, but this just post seems an attempt to purposely mislead people, which is just not cool.

Originally posted by neilc
this seems a bit irrelevent to me...so the guy made a few bucks with his computer skills. if i could do that with my school, i would.

the questions about bts, mtt and whoever being paid reps have been answered time and time again. they are not being paid to promote the school. simple.

tough questions are great for any school, but this just post seems an attempt to purposely mislead people, which is just not cool.

Well, let's see. As mentioned in one of the posts on valuemdunless you toe the party line, you might just lose that nice little paid web design project

and
...a website is one of the main recruiting tools a school has.

At least now you know one more connection between mtt and the school and people should take that into account with his answers.

POly, I love how you only post the comments from valuemd that say negative things but never insert the replies. You are obviously a biased person with less than noble motives.

SC does not act vengefully on any student here whiether they stay or leave. I know many people from other schools who have had their grades changed when they decide to leave. It is sad that you are so accustomed to shady admins that this would even be an issue:

unless you toe the party line, you might just lose that nice little paid web design project

Originally posted by bts4202
POly, I love how you only post the comments from valuemd that say negative things but never insert the replies. You are obviously a biased person with less than noble motives.

SC does not act vengefully on any student here whiether they stay or leave. I know many people from other schools who have had their grades changed when they decide to leave. It is sad that you are so accustomed to shady admins that this would even be an issue:


Those comments were negative? That's your perception? Okay.


what do grades have to do with working for the school?

Originally posted by poly
what do grades have to do with working for the school?

Ok, lets try this again,

Originally quoted by poly unless you toe the party line, you might just lose that nice little paid web design project

Originally quoted by BTS4202 SC does not act vengefully on any student here whiether they stay or leave. I know many people from other schools who have had their grades changed when they decide to leave. It is sad that you are so accustomed to shady admins that this would even be an issue:

This thread should be moved to Europe forum (school resides in UK).

This school is a real toughy to categorize best: African charter with a UK located campus and a US located office. :eek: Technically, the charter location should take precedence and I will leave it here--for now--while I think about it more.

No, the school does not strictly resides in UK. The student reps of St. Chris has always maintained that they are a campus extension of Senegal. Since St. Chris does have or is suppose to have a med school in Senegal, this forum is also valid.

Very true, however, since extremely few people on this forum are interested in attending the Senegal campus (french speaking), it is a bit more appropriate in the Europe forum. Since the campus we usually discuss is in England, I think that is perfectly reasonable.

i really think it is not appropriate for this school to be on this forum. regardless of the physical location of part of the school, it is not a "european" school. i think this can lead to some pretty erroneous conclusions by prospective students.

it would be similar to putting ross or st. matthews in the US forums, as they have part of the campus in Miami and Maine.

it should stay in africa, which is the country of the school, or even in the carib, which is the style of the school. it should not be confused with a european school in any way.

agreed. if one keeps repeating "european medical school" long enough, there will be people who would believe it.

I agree. St. Christophers is an African medical School and therefore should be classified as such. Why they are operating from within the UK at all is beyond me and I suspect very few people are aware that they actually are.

I would be interested to find out who takes responsibility for the students whilst they are working on clinical attachments in government-run (National Health Service) hospitals and whether the patients who are examined by them are informed that the students come from a non-UK regulated medical school?

No one at my medical school has ever heard of St Christophers, but then again, their course is not aimed at British students who will usually apply to British medical schools.

Hmmm. Perhaps an Other or Multi-locale forum under Schools and Regional Interests??

I agree. St. Christophers is an African medical School and therefore should be classified as such. Why they are operating from within the UK at all is beyond me and I suspect very few people are aware that they actually are.

Hey, watch the BBC news tommorow at 6pm and you will see a story on us. They came and filmed today.

Originally posted by Stephen Ewen
Hmmm. Perhaps an Other or Multi-locale forum under Schools and Regional Interests??

i would vote for africa or carib...i don't think another category is the answer. africa would be the most technically correct, but i think the carib would fit as well. most students that are looking at st chris are also looking at carib schools, and the style of education is the same. it would most likely be where the most interest would be generated, and i think it would be the most beneficial place, without generating an inaccurate perception.

I don't think that the caribb forum is the right place either. The school has nothing to do with the caribb at all. Just because the set up is similar doesn't make it a caribb school. Although, you do make a good point about where the most interest would be generated.

I still think that europe is the most appropriate place. That is where the campus for americans is. I mean, take MUA for example. If this forum was country specific, you would not put MUA Belize in the Nevis/ St. Kitts section... you would place it in the Belize section. Although it has no charter in belize, that is its location and therefore its regional territory. Plus, I do not think that there will be very many people utelizing the Africa forum and if neilc's interest is in where people will be looking for information, then an Africa forum is not advantageous.

Also, there is no rule saying that a school must be discussed in forums of its charter. I mean, the info about SC is the same no matter which forum it is in. People are not going to suddenly ignore the fact that the website and all official information says Senegal charter just because it is in this forum. The schools location is England, plain and simple. This is its geographical region. Some of you may not like that fact, but that doesn't change it.

well, then i don't know where it should go...i know where it SHOULDN'T go...on this forum!

my opinion is that it is misleading. the only link st chris has to europe is that one of the campuses happens to be in london. it does not target european students. it does not train european doctors. it is not chartered by any european government.

european schools have an excellent reputation, incredible histories, and are well respected internationally. it would bother me greatly if st chris was mistaken to be a part of this group by potential students. the fact that st chris rents some buildings in london doesn't mean it is a european school.

anyhow, don't mean to get all heated about this. it just seems really wrong to me.

Originally posted by bts4202

...if neilc's interest is in where people will be looking for information, then an Africa forum is not advantageous.



my interest is in ACCURATE information...based on style of education and positives/negatives about st chris, the carib forum will provide the most accuracy. based on the schools charter/geographical location, the africa forum would be the most accurate classification. europe is accurate only if you are looking at physical location of part of the campus...i don't think rented/leased or recently bought buildings qualify st chris to claim it is a european school.

european schools have an excellent reputation, incredible histories, and are well respected internationally. it would bother me greatly if st chris was mistaken to be a part of this group by potential students. the fact that st chris rents some buildings in london doesn't mean it is a european school.

There are plenty of european schools that have rather poor reputations, just like there are American schools with poor reputations. Reputation is not established based on which schools are included or not on a student forum. These forums do not make a designation on what schools are in what reputable group. If they were, some european schools would be immediately taken out of this forum. Schools are evaluated based on its individual merit. No one is going to decide to attend a school based solely on the fact that it is discussed in the europe section on a forum. That is absolutely ridiculous. It is no more likely that a person will mistake SC for an English school because its on this forum than they would just hearing that one of the campuses is in England.

You may not like SC and that is fine, but it is not going anywhere and you might need to adjust to that fact.

Originally posted by bts4202
There are plenty of european schools that have rather poor reputations, just like there are American schools with poor reputations. Reputation is not established based on which schools are included or not on a student forum. These forums do not make a designation on what schools are in what reputable group. If they were, some european schools would be immediately taken out of this forum. Schools are evaluated based on its individual merit. No one is going to decide to attend a school based solely on the fact that it is discussed in the europe section on a forum. That is absolutely ridiculous. It is no more likely that a person will mistake SC for an English school because its on this forum than they would just hearing that one of the campuses is in England.

You may not like SC and that is fine, but it is not going anywhere and you might need to adjust to that fact.

well, there may be european schools with bad reputations, but they are true european schools. they do belong here, much like the US schools of all caliber are on the US allopathic/osteopathic forums. no problem.

and, i do think that st chris hopes for some to mistake it for a european school. i seem to recall a student there claiming st chris is a "non-accredited private british medical school" or some other nonsense. i don't think that this forum is appropriate in any way for st chris.

i may not like certain things about how st chris does business, but i do hope the students do well. i never said that i don't like st chris, in fact i have cosistently stated that i think there are some good things about the school. but, i also think the negatives are ignored, or downplayed and the hard sell tactics bother me. i don't resort to insulting you, and i sure wouldn't stoop to mocking board scores as somebody posting here did to me. i just want to keep things honest, and i disagree with the word plays and the hard sell that i see time and time again from st chris.

anyhow, i have yet to see reasons that this is the appropriate board for st chris. i see several reasons why it is not. now my opinions are known, as are the opinions of many others. i am sure the moderator will make a decision that is consistent with what they want from the board, and the case will be closed.

good points neilc. If St. Chris stays, then Kigezi should also be considered an European school. LOL

Life is kind of funny that way huh? When one person mocks another's education it is perfectly fine. But when that same person gets the same treatment, he/she becomes highly offended. Interesting, isn't it? Either way, no one was insulting you, a simple question was asked, thats all.

No matter, it is still perfectly appropriate that SC be discussed under the europe forum since that is its primary location (at least as far as people reading this forum are concerned).

BTW, it has nothing to do with being considered a european school or not. It has to do with regional location.

Originally posted by bts4202

...BTW, it has nothing to do with being considered a european school or not. It has to do with regional location.

i disagree. and, regionally, i think your school is african, no question. if you don't want to be there, get a european charter. simple. anyhow, we will see what happens with it when the moderators decide.

BTW, i never mocked your education. just disagree with the marketing efforts of your school.

I think this forum belongs here in Europe. For consistency, and applying the simplest logic, the thread should reside where the school resides. Visitors can read here all about how people moan that it's "not a UK school", whatever that really means -- it IS a UK school, in that it IS in the UK. And for those interested in the school's happenings in Senegal, then they can go to the Africa forum.

The alternative is that visitors have to know where schools are registered, or the assumption that they know that schools are organized by where they're registered, but this is not intuitive in the least.

With every thread full of people slamming St. Chris., slanderously or not, no one will be "fooled" into thinking St. Chris. is an EEA school, with EEA benefits, so get over it.

-pitman

Originally posted by neilc
my interest is in ACCURATE information...based on style of education and positives/negatives about st chris, the carib forum will provide the most accuracy. based on the schools charter/geographical location, the africa forum would be the most accurate classification. europe is accurate only if you are looking at physical location of part of the campus...i don't think rented/leased or recently bought buildings qualify st chris to claim it is a european school.

Neilc --

Accurate in what arbitrary way? By claiming, "europe is accurate only if you are looking at physical location...", you'd have to also claim that "based [only] on the schools charter/geographical location, the africa forum would be the most accurate classification", and "based [only] on style of education and positives/negatives about st chris, the carib forum will provide the most accuracy".

I don't see how school residence is arbitrary (or misleading), while the examples you give somehow are not...St. Chris a Caribbean school?? What the ??

There are two factors that will determine thread location: 1) consistency, across all schools; 2) useability (or, what people are assumed to have to know in order to use the forum). Caribbean makes no sense whatsoever, Africa makes sense only if any other schools' threads in a similar position are moved AND visitors somehow find it more useful to look up Africa if they want to go to school in Europe.

Stephen --

I think adding yet another forum, for multi-regional, is the worst option, since nothing would be explained UNTIL you read each thread, and because there are already a plethora (I'd say too many) forums now. Further, you'd open up a can of worms, e.g.: should St. G's be in multi-regional forum if they offer rotations in US or UK?

Also, moving the remainder of the archived threads to their new homes would prevent any possibility that anyone's "mislead" about any particular school. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

-pitman

Originally posted by InfiniteUni
I also believe that any/all St. Chris threads should be moved into/kept in the Africa forum as that is where our charter, WHO listing, & main campus are located. The campus in the UK is a satellite, not the main campus. I agree with the other posters that having St. Chris threads in the European forum may confuse some people and lead them to believe that our main campus is in the UK, when in fact it isn't.

-Mike

Here's a proposal:

Instead of moving them, why not let the thread starter decide in this school's case, i.e., if the thread is about the UK campus (for example, one that caters to American students who go there) and posted to the Europe forum, then let it stay in the Europe forum. Each can cross-reference the other, if desired, and that way you don't potentially screw your own school by alienating potential students to either. To rely on charter location is to be at least as arbitrary as campus location, won't be less confusing (e.g., when people discuss the classrooms above a certain restaurant, or shared facilities with UK schools, and the visitors says, "huh? they use the library at a UK school, somewhere in Africa?"), and thus a disservice -- do you REALLY think potential UK-campus students won't figure out pretty quickly here that the school's chartered in Senegal??

-pitman

Originally posted by pitman
-- do you REALLY think potential UK-campus students won't figure out pretty quickly here that the school's chartered in Senegal??

-pitman

well, i think they may conclude that st chris is considered a european school. or they may conclude that st chris has some sort of edge perception wise over the carib schools. st chris has always tried to encourage this deception....there was a student posting recently about st chris being a "non-accreddited private english medical school" and i think that is the wrong impression to be giving.

Oh guys, say it ain't so! Isn't "the other website" enough????? Must you carry on over here too!!!!!!


As a prospective student who knew absolutely NOTHING about St. Chris 6 months ago. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS LOCATED AND WHO CHARTERS IT!!! How did I find out this ever so secretive information?????? I read it on their website and it has been OVER DRAMATIZED on value md. Come on guys, quit beating this dead horse. We, prospective students are a fairly intelligent bunch and I am sure most of us are capable of a little investigative work. If I am going to drop a six figure price tag on my medical education, whether it is at Harvard, St. Chris, Saba or Yale, I will do my research. If a prospective student does not care enough to get the information, good and the bad, on his or her future school, then I say they get exactly what they deserve.

Give it a rest folks....We all know that the school is located in the UK and it is chartered out of Africa and it targets American students. Nuff said.

hey mike,

got tired of people telling u off on valuemd so u moved to dsn. we got a good laugh today when u walked in the middle of lecture and got ur computer so u could go out in the lobby to post here in private.
everyone was rolling dr.m was mindboggled. we all know what u do when u leave class (that is 2-4 time in each 45 min sessions) that u are in the computer lab posting here or in valuemd.
:o

keep up the good work u keep us so entertained :clap:

why dont u post after class it gets a little annoying u getting up and leaving just post what crisis u r in today please give it up and try this+pissed+

now u r secret is out find a new game

when u own the tower u run the country:eek: guess what u dont so chill.

i guess i will get a call from the queen and her barrister for impersonating a dead king
:D

i'll be waiting :clap: always wanted to speak to queen

did u know that no building can be built higher than the oldest church in the city. that is why all buildings are only 2-5 storeys.

its illegal to drive 3 consecutive time around the round a bouts

however it is legal to have sex in public places (the police will just walk by and say nothing)

one day a year at the strawberry festival u can use street drugs and buy them from vendors and its legal (only if u use on the grounds)

the first witch to be burned at the stake was in warboys 35 miles from luton. u can tour the home and gallows where her husband and child was hanged

u can ride on the train that was used in harry potter. also tour hogwart castle.

the spread egale pub in cambridge is still open today this was the favorite hang out for crick and watson (they discovered dna)
the lab they used is across the street and can be toured.

there are 31 colleges in cambridge. yes 31!

there are over 10,000 bikes in cambridge. when getting off the train there are at least 15,00 bikes in the special bike parking lot.

some of cambridge uni student housing has been in existance for over 400 years and reported to be haunted.

in the 1800's in order to obtain cadavers men would kill prostitutes and the poor for fresh specimens. if they could'nt find a live person they would dig up the recently dead (hence the term grave robbers) queen victoria pass a law that it was illegal to obtain a cadaver in that manner. now the respect the dead law is in force. all body parts used in the dissection rooms have to labeled and matched to a body. after use the whole body any parts or organs have to be buried together. if not the uni gets fined and possible closure.

Originally posted by spmd
hey mike,

got tired of people telling u off on valuemd so u moved to dsn. we got a good laugh today when u walked in the middle of lecture and got ur computer so u could go out in the lobby to post here in private.
everyone was rolling dr.m was mindboggled. we all know what u do when u leave class (that is 2-4 time in each 45 min sessions) that u are in the computer lab posting here or in valuemd.
:o

keep up the good work u keep us so entertained :clap:

why dont u post after class it gets a little annoying u getting up and leaving just post what crisis u r in today please give it up and try this+pissed+

now u r secret is out find a new game

when u own the tower u run the country:eek: guess what u dont so chill.

i guess i will get a call from the queen and her barrister for impersonating a dead king
:D

i'll be waiting :clap: always wanted to speak to queen

Yup, that's it. Mock him and feel good about yourself.


See, I feel better already.

Yeap.
First advice... don't trust in any school or any teacher, Medicine is a universal stuff... Doesn't matter where you are studing, the books are most the same and I think if these teachers are teaching cause they know about the stuff. So, take your book and try study by your self. Medicine doesn't come from the teacher but it's come from your dedication and love .
So.. don't try to judge people and study.

Actually, it is posts that flame too high that are not particularly welcome on the forum. Please post with these flames cooled down.

I have heard all the arguments here about where St. Chris threads should be placed in the new forums. All of you make very some good points!

Except in the case of overt advertisements, I have decided for now to let thread starters start threads about St. Chris where they choose to, and that I will leave them where they are originally posted. With the exception as already noted, this means that wherever the thread is started, there it will remain.

My reasons are:

--Leaving it open will tend to spark discussion about the nation of the school's charter, its physical campus location(s), and the fact that its students have much in common with students at campuses in the Carrib which cater to many North Americans. It would seem to me that this would make threads about the school more dynamic and full of content and give more complete pictures of it and its students to SDN newcomers and others.

--It seems the only way to make the most possible people happy and the least possible disappointed.

--It is most in keeping with the generally "less is more" moderating philosophy of SDN. SDN International and its moderators are independent, and everyone is free to post contentions and cross-contentions as they see fit within the SDN Terms of Service guidelines.

I trust all this is taken in the good spirit I give it in, and thank all the users here.

Originally posted by Clarkenti
Yeap.
First advice... don't trust in any school or any teacher, Medicine is a universal stuff... Doesn't matter where you are studing, the books are most the same and I think if these teachers are teaching cause they know about the stuff. So, take your book and try study by your self. Medicine doesn't come from the teacher but it's come from your dedication and love .
So.. don't try to judge people and study.

I don't think that's 100% accurate. You have to admit if you have a really good teacher you can feel more motivated to learn; or you feel the material more relevant or you can make more connections between subject matter. I guess it just depends on how you prefer to learn.

This school attracts so much dubiosity....(is dubiosity an acceptable word?)
Isnt it time someone made more reliable pics/ videos of this place? Is it true there's no library??
What the heck do students do when they need to look something up?
I cannot imagine a school being allowed to run this way in the UK. It's most likely the fault of the UK govt. Maybe they should kick all these UK squatters back to wherever the schools are chartered.
It's not like their countries are in war, or it's climactically in crisis.
Shame on all the govt's that allow such clownish outfits to set up and peddle their MD degrees. It even cheapens the genuine UK schools credibility... guilt by association.

It is true that we lack a library at this moment. However, we have access to Luton University library whenever we need it. The school is in the process of building us our own facilities, but during the transition, we have been left without a lot. The new facilites are expected to be done either before next term starts in january or within the first week or two of class.

Regarding the Uk govt: They are well aware of our status in this country and fully support us. This includes the GMC, Minister of Higher Education, and Minister of Health.

To see pics of how things currently stand, please view the tour on the official SC website http://www.stchris.edu

Originally posted by bts4202
[B]Regarding the Uk govt: They are well aware of our status in this country and fully support us. This includes the GMC...

But, it would be fair to add, this support does not include unlimited registration of St. Chris students by the GMC, as the GMC might recognize students of medical schools with UK charters.

This is true initially. After 5 years of limited registration, we are eligible for full licensure. This is not exclusive to our students of course, but the support of these organizations does make our students progress through the system a little easier.

Moderators, doesn't this thread belong in the Africa forum?

Originally posted by Meat Cookie
Moderators, doesn't this thread belong in the Africa forum?

They're aware of the controversy (many posts, above) over where to put threads from schools physically located in a different country than they're registered, and have decided for the most part to leave such threads where they lie. IMO, moving would cause more confusion than not moving.

-pitman

Originally posted by bts4202
This is true initially. After 5 years of limited registration, we are eligible for full licensure. This is not exclusive to our students of course, but the support of these organizations does make our students progress through the system a little easier.

I saw St. Christopher's on BBC?s "Look East" a couple of weeks ago. Apparently most of Luton's reside