1. Summarize your activities during the 2012-2013 academic year. Describe how your activities are preparing you for a medical career.

NOTE: Interviews occur on Thursdays and/or Fridays beginning in late September and finishing in mid-February. Please let us know of any limitations on your availability during this time, such as international travel, work or courses. (3000 Characters)

2. How will your unique attributes (e.g., cultural or socioeconomic background, lifestyle, work experiences) add to the overall diversity of the Alpert Medical School community? (3000 Characters)

3. What are your aspirations for your medical practice? Fast-forward to 15 years in the future: where do you imagine yourself?(3000 Characters)

Good luck to everyone applying! :luck:

Just want to say hello! I'm an MS2 at Brown so please feel free to ask me any questions you want about the school, the students, and the faculty! If I don't personally know the answer, I'll make sure to pass on the query to someone who does.

Best of luck!

Just want to say hello! I'm an MS2 at Brown so please feel free to ask me any questions you want about the school, the students, and the faculty! If I don't personally know the answer, I'll make sure to pass on the query to someone who does.

Best of luck!

I just wanted to tell you I like your name. Iorek Byrnison is a badass. Although I'm still mildly frightened of what he did to Lee Scoresby. :scared:

I just wanted to tell you I like your name. Iorek Byrnison is a badass. Although I'm still mildly frightened of what he did to Lee Scoresby. :scared:


Haha, much obliged! I'm just glad someone got the reference. And I agree, though polar bears in general are just always ferocious, as displayed in exhibit A: http://imgur.com/gallery/M5Lgo

Hahaha, that's sort of adorable. Anyway, how do you like Brown/what's your opinion on it?

Hahaha, that's sort of adorable. Anyway, how do you like Brown/what's your opinion on it?

To put it simply, it's a classy place with classy people.

If I had to pick my top 3 favorite aspects, I'd say it would be the receptiveness of the faculty, the class dynamic, and the quality of life here.

To expound a bit, the faculty here are incredibly friendly and it's extremely easy to find mentors that will provide clinical experiences, research opportunities, involvement in course development, and support for student led initiatives. People here are just plain nice and eager to help you succeed. If you're interested in a particular specialty, chances are there is already an established student interest group that can set up shadowing opportunities or if you prefer, you're more than welcome to e-mail professors directly and set up some shadowing independently. Likewise, we have the scholarly concentration program which can link you with mentors and similarly passionate students interested in a wide range of topics (http://brown.edu/academics/medical/education/scholarly-concentration-program). Regardless as to whether you participate in the SC program, summer funding is also pretty easy to come by (this past year, anyone who took the time to find a faculty sponsor and to write out a well thought out proposal got funding). People are working on a variety of projects (a good friend of mine works on physician use of meditative techniques to improve quality, I work on infectious disease policy, I have friends working on health education abroad, and others strengthening and designing new curriculum components here at the med school, and of course, there are people working on basic, translational, and clinical research). Basically, whatever your interest is, there's an avenue through which to explore it.

As for the class dynamic, I think much of the credit goes to the office of admissions and the admissions committee (if you interview here, you'll get to meet the Director of Admissions, Barbara, and the Admissions Program Coordinator, Melissa, both of whom are incredibly nice). Everyone is just relaxed and friendly. Post exam party invites will be sent out to the entire class and the same holds true with random outings to go hiking, biking, swimming, and whatever else is going on. Likewise, the same students who memorize every lecture, every, tangent, and every corollary of random medical minutia, are also the very same students who put together brilliant charts, mock exams, and slide decks, and post them online so the entire class can benefit.

Which leads me to my third point, the quality of life factor. Coming into the application process I was under the general perception that med school is supposed to be stressful, difficult, and to a certain extent dehumanizing, so I was a little suspicious when I came across an odd trait of the students here...they were happy. Truth is, between having faculty who care , classmates who are supportive and fun to hang out with, and a cozy city to enjoy yourself in, life can be pretty grand. The three week block schedule means that, depending on your study habits, you can spend a devote a good deal of time to extra-curriculars or to just relaxing during non exam weeks (mind you, I also know people who prefer to just spend their time studying diligently so that their test weeks aren't too strenuous). For the east coast, the cost of living here is wicked affordable, which in addition to good financial aid, allows me to have more variety for dinner choices than what is offered by ramen noodle spice packets. Combined with that, there's a good restaurants all over town (for Italian food though, federal hill is a must) and a good bar and club scene . There's great jogging routes all around, the east bay bike path is close, and solid hiking about 45 minutes out of town. This is Rhode Island so of course there are beaches to make good use of. Some of my classmates surf, and one of my good friends has a 24 ft sailboat he likes to take classmates out on during nice weekends. Put all together I would say I'm enjoying med school even more than undergrad (and I loved undergrad). The material can be challenging at times and the drinking from a fire hose analogy is completely accurate, but nevertheless, I simply love being here.


So... this kinda got far lengthier than I had originally intended but I won't be able to respond to any posts for about the two weeks, so I wanted to cover as much ground as I could. Please feel free to post or pm me any additional questions; I'll get to them as soon as I get a chance. Anyhow, it's a WaterFire night (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaterFire) so I'm off. Cheers!

Thank you, Iorek, for visiting the forum. It seems like Brown is the only medical school with such a heavy emphasis on scholarly concentration. How does this emphasis impact school life? Is there a silent consensus on the "strongest" and/or "weakest" concentrations?

Did you factor that in your application process?

To put it simply, it's a classy place with classy people.

If I had to pick my top 3 favorite aspects, I'd say it would be the receptiveness of the faculty, the class dynamic, and the quality of life here.

To expound a bit, the faculty here are incredibly friendly and it's extremely easy to find mentors that will provide clinical experiences, research opportunities, involvement in course development, and support for student led initiatives. People here are just plain nice and eager to help you succeed. If you're interested in a particular specialty, chances are there is already an established student interest group that can set up shadowing opportunities or if you prefer, you're more than welcome to e-mail professors directly and set up some shadowing independently. Likewise, we have the scholarly concentration program which can link you with mentors and similarly passionate students interested in a wide range of topics (http://brown.edu/academics/medical/education/scholarly-concentration-program). Regardless as to whether you participate in the SC program, summer funding is also pretty easy to come by (this past year, anyone who took the time to find a faculty sponsor and to write out a well thought out proposal got funding). People are working on a variety of projects (a good friend of mine works on physician use of meditative techniques to improve quality, I work on infectious disease policy, I have friends working on health education abroad, and others strengthening and designing new curriculum components here at the med school, and of course, there are people working on basic, translational, and clinical research). Basically, whatever your interest is, there's an avenue through which to explore it.

As for the class dynamic, I think much of the credit goes to the office of admissions and the admissions committee (if you interview here, you'll get to meet the Director of Admissions, Barbara, and the Admissions Program Coordinator, Melissa, both of whom are incredibly nice). Everyone is just relaxed and friendly. Post exam party invites will be sent out to the entire class and the same holds true with random outings to go hiking, biking, swimming, and whatever else is going on. Likewise, the same students who memorize every lecture, every, tangent, and every corollary of random medical minutia, are also the very same students who put together brilliant charts, mock exams, and slide decks, and post them online so the entire class can benefit.

Which leads me to my third point, the quality of life factor. Coming into the application process I was under the general perception that med school is supposed to be stressful, difficult, and to a certain extent dehumanizing, so I was a little suspicious when I came across an odd trait of the students here...they were happy. Truth is, between having faculty who care , classmates who are supportive and fun to hang out with, and a cozy city to enjoy yourself in, life can be pretty grand. The three week block schedule means that, depending on your study habits, you can spend a devote a good deal of time to extra-curriculars or to just relaxing during non exam weeks (mind you, I also know people who prefer to just spend their time studying diligently so that their test weeks aren't too strenuous). For the east coast, the cost of living here is wicked affordable, which in addition to good financial aid, allows me to have more variety for dinner choices than what is offered by ramen noodle spice packets. Combined with that, there's a good restaurants all over town (for Italian food though, federal hill is a must) and a good bar and club scene . There's great jogging routes all around, the east bay bike path is close, and solid hiking about 45 minutes out of town. This is Rhode Island so of course there are beaches to make good use of. Some of my classmates surf, and one of my good friends has a 24 ft sailboat he likes to take classmates out on during nice weekends. Put all together I would say I'm enjoying med school even more than undergrad (and I loved undergrad). The material can be challenging at times and the drinking from a fire hose analogy is completely accurate, but nevertheless, I simply love being here.


So... this kinda got far lengthier than I had originally intended but I won't be able to respond to any posts for about the two weeks, so I wanted to cover as much ground as I could. Please feel free to post or pm me any additional questions; I'll get to them as soon as I get a chance. Anyhow, it's a WaterFire night (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaterFire) so I'm off. Cheers!

:thumbup: :thumbup: Thanks for this post! It's incredibly helpful and insightful. To be honest, I'm sold. If I can nail down that good MCAT score now, I'd love to apply to Brown. :luck:

If you're interested in a particular specialty, chances are there is already an established student interest group that can set up shadowing opportunities or if you prefer, you're more than welcome to e-mail professors directly and set up some shadowing independently.

On this, I have a quick question. I'm interested in otolaryngology and last I checked, I didn't see that Brown had an otolaryngology residency program. Is there a student interest group for otolaryngology? And do you think it is necessary for the MD school you attend to have a department for your specialty of choice? I've heard this is important for letters of recommendation and such.

Thanks!

EDIT: Did additional research. Oto program exists. *OOPS*

Thank you, Iorek, for visiting the forum. It seems like Brown is the only medical school with such a heavy emphasis on scholarly concentration. How does this emphasis impact school life? Is there a silent consensus on the "strongest" and/or "weakest" concentrations?

Did you factor that in your application process?


Good questions. I'm tuckered out from studying endocrine and need a break so I figure I might as well try to be helpful.

I think the impact of the SC Program depends on a couple variables. First, it is an optional program and everyone is welcome to find research and other opportunities through other avenues and while the application for summer funding is streamlined with the SC application for convenience, you have the option to apply just for summer funding alone. Second, the time commitment and level of involvement depends on the SC you apply for. We have plenty of opportunities to get to know the SC leaders and to hear how each SC is run so you know what you are getting into. I like my SC, Health Policy because it's pretty relaxed. We meet once a month and write a quick note (you can write as much as you want but you only need a page) each block on how policy affects the current topic of study. For the most part though, the purpose is to bounce ideas off your fellow students and the SC leaders as you work on your own projects with your direct mentor and for health policy at least, to have additional help with the writing process when you're working on a publishable paper. Also, trying to use the terms strongest or weakest to describe the SCs kinda misses the point. For example, global health has been one of the most in demand SCs the past few years, but if I had to choose the most productive and impactful SC, I would say, medical education (also pretty popular actually), since they work on curriculum improvement and have provided many of the study materials and learning tools everyone in my class relies upon. Simultaneous, Health Policy is a new concentration with just a handful of students but we have two great mentors, one of whom advises a spattering of policy making and influencing institutions (Gates Foundation, WHO, World Bank, Rockefeller Foundation). SCs are meant to support you, offer you a forum for idea exchange, and offer additional mentorship but at the end of the day, you still need to be passionate about your work so it's always best to just apply to one based on your interests.

Regardless, you only apply for SC's near the beginning of your second semester so you have the first semester to acclimate and figure out what kind research you want to do or what kind of project or program you want to implement. And yes, I mentioned the SC concentration in my application, as with a number of other programs I now take part in.

Also, just a heads, up. This sort of student support for research and program development has thankfully become more popular over the years. Stanford has had a similar SC program for a while (not sure which one came first), Einstein Medical in NY is launching a program with a similar purpose called SOAR, I think Harvard is starting one up soon, and then you have a number of other schools like Columbia and Yale where students can either choose or are required to write a thesis though I have no idea what their structure for mentorship and support is.

Also, I'm pasting below a response I wrote for people applying this past year who wanted to know more about the program. Very good chance some of the info is repeated from what I've already written above but I hope it might be of some value.

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Q: Can any current students talk about the Scholarly Concentrations Program? I was browsing the website and some concentrations have limits on the number of students accepted. How competitive is it and is it easy to find a mentor? About what percentage of the class participates? Is it a significant amount of extra work?


A: All most excellent questions. Each SC generally has two leaders who are selected from the faculty. As you might imagine, they typically have a major interest and a good amount of experience in their respective concentration's topic field. While you can most certainly seek these leaders out as mentors, the only requirement is that your mentor is a member of Brown faculty (of course they can be med school faculty but you're more than welcome to select faculty from other departments, grad or undergrad). Generally you find a mentor on your own but if you want the process to be facilitated for you, there's plenty of options, and there's an SC fair towards the end of first semester where you will meet the concentration leaders and they can help you contact faculty who have projects in line with your interests or who can help you with projects you're developing from scratch. As long as you give yourself time, I'd say it's pretty easy to find a mentor, especially given the diversity of faculty interests.

The competitiveness varies of course by concentration. From what I've seen, a well thought out project will get accepted regardless of where you apply and chances are good that a project could fit well within several SC focuses. I have the feeling that global health in past years has may have been a tad more selective than the other concentrations simply because of the popularity of traveling abroad (for the global health nuts out there, yes, I know that domestic issues are a part of it!). They also are the only concentration that requires that you receive a recommendation not only from your mentor but also with someone at the community site you will be working at if you are traveling abroad (sound reasoning). In past years we were told at least a third of the class participates in the SC program. My class is a tad different and I'd feel safe betting that at least half (if not a far greater proportion) of us are doing one although that's purely speculation. I've asked around and been told that the workload you are committing to is pretty variable. For the most part, people get the vast majority of their research or project done over the course of the summer when free time is of course easier to come by and then tend to take things easy during the academic year, writing up their conclusions and presenting at conferences when appropriate. I've been doing work related to my SC throughout the year but that is by no means expected or asked for (it's nice though if you're like me and need side projects to keep yourself content). In addition, each SC focus has additional components independent of your project. Most have some form of a monthly meeting/lecture/discussion on a topic of interest. Some have a short writing component. Education (speaking without biased since it is not my SC) is particularly interesting since the emphasis is on hands on curriculum reform and teaching within the medical school.

As you likely discovered, you can receive summer funding for your SC project but you can apply for summer funding separately if you so wish. The trade off of course is that you have less support and fewer people with whom to regularly discuss your project but you also have fewer requirements to comply with (which vary significantly between SC topic areas). The summer funding application is included in the SC app though again, you can apply for summer funding without applying to an SC and vice versa. You are also accepted into both separately as well, so admission into an SC does not guarantee summer funding. Generally, everyone who puts together a well thought out proposal (they give you plenty of opportunities to submit drafts so you can edit before the final deadline) obtains funding which comes out to $3,500 (students doing basic and translational research can apply for a larger stipend of $4,370). The review committee members takes their jobs seriously and your proposal decision comes with a full critique (mine was helpful and more than fair). By accepting funding you commit 8-10 weeks of your summer to your project but by no means are you restricted to your project alone (some of us are teaching this summer and engaging in other pursuits).

Hope this was at least moderately helpful! If there's anything you'd like me to hash out further, just say the word!

To put it simply, it's a classy place with classy people.

If I had to pick my top 3 favorite aspects, I'd say it would be the receptiveness of the faculty, the class dynamic, and the quality of life here.

To expound a bit, the faculty here are incredibly friendly and it's extremely easy to find mentors that will provide clinical experiences, research opportunities, involvement in course development, and support for student led initiatives. People here are just plain nice and eager to help you succeed. If you're interested in a particular specialty, chances are there is already an established student interest group that can set up shadowing opportunities or if you prefer, you're more than welcome to e-mail professors directly and set up some shadowing independently. Likewise, we have the scholarly concentration program which can link you with mentors and similarly passionate students interested in a wide range of topics (http://brown.edu/academics/medical/education/scholarly-concentration-program). Regardless as to whether you participate in the SC program, summer funding is also pretty easy to come by (this past year, anyone who took the time to find a faculty sponsor and to write out a well thought out proposal got funding). People are working on a variety of projects (a good friend of mine works on physician use of meditative techniques to improve quality, I work on infectious disease policy, I have friends working on health education abroad, and others strengthening and designing new curriculum components here at the med school, and of course, there are people working on basic, translational, and clinical research). Basically, whatever your interest is, there's an avenue through which to explore it.

As for the class dynamic, I think much of the credit goes to the office of admissions and the admissions committee (if you interview here, you'll get to meet the Director of Admissions, Barbara, and the Admissions Program Coordinator, Melissa, both of whom are incredibly nice). Everyone is just relaxed and friendly. Post exam party invites will be sent out to the entire class and the same holds true with random outings to go hiking, biking, swimming, and whatever else is going on. Likewise, the same students who memorize every lecture, every, tangent, and every corollary of random medical minutia, are also the very same students who put together brilliant charts, mock exams, and slide decks, and post them online so the entire class can benefit.

Which leads me to my third point, the quality of life factor. Coming into the application process I was under the general perception that med school is supposed to be stressful, difficult, and to a certain extent dehumanizing, so I was a little suspicious when I came across an odd trait of the students here...they were happy. Truth is, between having faculty who care , classmates who are supportive and fun to hang out with, and a cozy city to enjoy yourself in, life can be pretty grand. The three week block schedule means that, depending on your study habits, you can spend a devote a good deal of time to extra-curriculars or to just relaxing during non exam weeks (mind you, I also know people who prefer to just spend their time studying diligently so that their test weeks aren't too strenuous). For the east coast, the cost of living here is wicked affordable, which in addition to good financial aid, allows me to have more variety for dinner choices than what is offered by ramen noodle spice packets. Combined with that, there's a good restaurants all over town (for Italian food though, federal hill is a must) and a good bar and club scene . There's great jogging routes all around, the east bay bike path is close, and solid hiking about 45 minutes out of town. This is Rhode Island so of course there are beaches to make good use of. Some of my classmates surf, and one of my good friends has a 24 ft sailboat he likes to take classmates out on during nice weekends. Put all together I would say I'm enjoying med school even more than undergrad (and I loved undergrad). The material can be challenging at times and the drinking from a fire hose analogy is completely accurate, but nevertheless, I simply love being here.


So... this kinda got far lengthier than I had originally intended but I won't be able to respond to any posts for about the two weeks, so I wanted to cover as much ground as I could. Please feel free to post or pm me any additional questions; I'll get to them as soon as I get a chance. Anyhow, it's a WaterFire night (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaterFire) so I'm off. Cheers!

Very thorough, excellent post! We certainly appreciate it. :)

On the other hand, do you feel there are any significant downsides to the program?

Is it true that Brown is P/F only the first semester ?! That would be so sad...

Wait:

Medical students are graded on an Honors/Satisfactory/No Credit basis. The Medical Curriculum Committee has permitted some courses (especially those in the first semester of the first year) to use a mandatory S/NC grading system in which no honors grades are awarded.

womp. womp. womp. too bad--i liked this school.

Iorek has this non-pass/fail system caused you lots of stress?

On this, I have a quick question. I'm interested in otolaryngology and last I checked, I didn't see that Brown had an otolaryngology residency program. Is there a student interest group for otolaryngology? And do you think it is necessary for the MD school you attend to have a department for your specialty of choice? I've heard this is important for letters of recommendation and such.

Thanks!

EDIT: Did additional research. Oto program exists. *OOPS*


Glad you were able to snag some info while I was pre-occupied with the terror that is endocrine. To get to your second part, there is indeed an oto interest group though I don't think they were super active this year (still, they're on the books and that means they have the option to pull money from the med school senate if they want to run any events in the future). In general it's super easy to e-mail up professors, order a bunch of food for lunch talks, and get them to talk about their experiences and the field. We also have regular lunch talks organized by the school called Careers in Medicine or CIM for short and ENT is one of the specialties that came. Hope this is of some help!

Very thorough, excellent post! We certainly appreciate it. :)

On the other hand, do you feel there are any significant downsides to the program?


That my good madame is the most important question you could ask of me or any med student at any other school so I'm glad you asked it.

As you can tell, I'm very fond of my school so bear in mind, everything that follows is somewhat nitpicky and based on personal preference. I'd say one of the things I am not a huge fan of is small group sessions and PBL. Brown's curriculum is still primarily lecture based but it is a bit of a hybrid with a number of problem based learning sessions tossed in (usually only 3 or so a block but this past block we had about 7 sessions in 3 weeks. I am a huge fan of listening to recorded lectures at my leisure (and also at double the normal speed) which gives me a good deal of flex time during the week. Small groups however are required and I am a highly independent learner so I just don't get as much out of them as I do out of personal study time. That said, small groups are run fairly well with each group run by a highly competent member of the faculty who works in the specialty that we're currently studying.

Depending on who you talk to, the Doctoring course lecture and small group portion could be improved. The general consensus is that, when we're focusing on physical examination skill development, the course is run quite well though the pre small group lecture could be shortened. I do think that some of the course sessions that explore humanism in medicine could be polished a little so that we get the same content but in an abbreviated time period (keep in mind, these sessions are for 3 hours tops, once a week, and most of them had a focus on physical exam skills). Again, overall, I really enjoyed the Doctoring lectures and small groups and learned a great deal. I also know it'll be an even stronger program next year because there are several docs and students who work hard to improve it every year.

As for general aspects of the curriculum, I find the vast majority of our lecturers to be excellent but every blue moon we get a dud. The good thing is that the school has been extremely responsive in the past (sometimes obsessively so in that, they will plead for you to fill out your evals if they don't have enough from the class) to the course evals we fill out and if a lecturer is sub-par, they get replaced.

Now onto the aspect I personally do not think is a downside but that I know everyone who's researched into it is thinking about...the grading system. Yes, Brown is P/F for the first semester only and then moves onto H/P/F. First off, no one really cares if you honor since A) residencies don't really care much about pre-clinicals so long as you pass them, B) it has no effect whatsoever on AOA admission and C) it just isn't part of the school culture to get worked up about it. Personally, I think it's like one of those "nice job!" stickers I used to put on undergrad papers if the student wrote exceptionally well. That's all it is, a nice acknowledgement of your efforts without any influence on your long term success except for the fact that if you tend to do particularly well on your exams, you are likely to do particularly well on your USMLE Step 1 (and those matter to everyone!!!).

Edit: To answer your question directly SaintJude, no, it doesn't cause me any stress at all. I know what counts and that will be Step 1 scores and clinical grades (which are based on a pretty universal system). Still, I endeavor to do well simply because I enjoy the material and because it really does become applicable quickly (we had a little girl come into the ER with an endocrine metabolic issue this past week and before this block I would have been fairly clueless on how to talk to the family about it.

So there you have it. As you can tell, I really don't have much to complain about.

That my good sir is the most important question you could ask of me or any med student at any other school so I'm glad you asked it.

As you can tell, I'm very fond of my school so bear in mind, everything that follows is somewhat nitpicky and based on personal preference. I'd say one of the things I am not a huge fan of is small group sessions and PBL. Brown's curriculum is still primarily lecture based but it is a bit of a hybrid with a number of problem based learning sessions tossed in (usually only 3 or so a block but this past block we had about 7 sessions in 3 weeks. I am a huge fan of listening to recorded lectures at my leisure (and also at double the normal speed) which gives me a good deal of flex time during the week. Small groups however are required and I am a highly independent learner so I just don't get as much out of them as I do out of personal study time. That said, small groups are run fairly well with each group run by a highly competent member of the faculty who works in the specialty that we're currently studying.

Depending on who you talk to, the Doctoring course lecture and small group portion could be improved. The general consensus is that, when we're focusing on physical examination skill development, the course is run quite well though the pre small group lecture could be shortened. I do think that some of the course sessions that explore humanism in medicine could be polished a little so that we get the same content but in an abbreviated time period (keep in mind, these sessions are for 3 hours tops, once a week, and most of them had a focus on physical exam skills). Again, overall, I really enjoyed the Doctoring lectures and small groups and learned a great deal. I also know it'll be an even stronger program next year because there are several docs and students who work hard to improve it every year.

As for general aspects of the curriculum, I find the vast majority of our lecturers to be excellent but every blue moon we get a dud. The good thing is that the school has been extremely responsive in the past (sometimes obsessively so in that, they will plead for you to fill out your evals if they don't have enough from the class) to the course evals we fill out and if a lecturer is sub-par, they get replaced.

Now onto the aspect I personally do not think is a downside but that I know everyone who's researched into it is thinking about...the grading system. Yes, Brown is P/F for the first semester only and then moves onto H/P/F. First off, no one really cares if you honor since A) residencies don't really care much about pre-clinicals so long as you pass them, B) it has no effect whatsoever on AOA admission and C) it just isn't part of the school culture to get worked up about it. Personally, I think it's like one of those "nice job!" stickers I used to put on undergrad papers if the student wrote exceptionally well. That's all it is, a nice acknowledgement of your efforts without any influence on your long term success except for the fact that if you tend to do particularly well on your exams, you are likely to do particularly well on your USMLE Step 1 (and those matter to everyone!!!).

Edit: To answer your question directly SaintJude, no, it doesn't cause me any stress at all. I know what counts and that will be Step 1 scores and clinical grades (which are based on a pretty universal system). Still, I endeavor to do well simply because I enjoy the material and because it really does become applicable quickly (we had a little girl come into the ER with an endocrine metabolic issue this past week and before this block I would have been fairly clueless on how to talk to the family about it.

So there you have it. As you can tell, I really don't have much to complain about.

:thumbup::thumbup:

"Thank you" would be an understatement...

One last question: do you know anything about the concentration in contemplative studies?

One last question: do you know anything about the concentration in contemplative studies?

Haven't had much contact with it but I do have a friend in it who loves it. Last time I checked. she's exploring how mindfulness techniques have an effect on clinical quality and is going on a week long meditative retreat this summer in NY state.

I also met a girl (either a 3rd or 4th year now) who basically spent her summer just travelling around Tibet, going to Buddhist temples and learning whatever she could and writing it up in a research manuscript. All in all, not a bad way to spend a summer.

I'm interested in apply here but I heard they its not OOSF????

But when I looked at the MSAR its seems the opposite, seeing if there is anything im missing. Hopefully Brown will like my background that its a bit different.

Haven't had much contact with it but I do have a friend in it who loves it. Last time I checked. she's exploring how mindfulness techniques have an effect on clinical quality and is going on a week long meditative retreat this summer in NY state.

I also met a girl (either a 3rd or 4th year now) who basically spent her summer just travelling around Tibet, going to Buddhist temples and learning whatever she could and writing it up in a research manuscript. All in all, not a bad way to spend a summer.


:love: this school. I don't want to fall in love with any school b/c the whole process is uncertain... But this is amazing!

I'm interested in apply here but I heard they its not OOSF????

But when I looked at the MSAR its seems the opposite, seeing if there is anything im missing. Hopefully Brown will like my background that its a bit different.

Hi Lafakads,

The MSAR is correct, the school is deffinately OOSF (please forgive my lack of familiarity with SDN acronyms but I'm assuming you mean out of state friendly). Our class comes from all over (good number of Californians in particular) which makes sense since it's a private med school as opposed to a state school.

And from my own experience and observations, Brown likes different backgrounds. Many of us are non-traditional (off the top of my head I have classmates who are documentary filmmakers, community health workers, TFA alums, Peace Corp alums, former CHWs, investment finance people, a BASE jumper, a number of us who were EMTs, and the list goes on). Even a good number of PLME students take a year off to travel or work and those who come straight through had very different undergrad experiences from the traditional pre-med track so there's plenty of variety. There's no one thing that I think admissions is really looking for. As far as I can tell, they are just looking for people with a passion for life and the dedication and determination necessary to do well in the medical world.


As an addendum for the more traditional pre-meds, if your passion for life is studying oncogenes, quorum sensing, tissue engineering, and the such, that is more than awesome and of course counts. Again, I think the key is to just be passionate about your interests, especially since it shows so clearly at the interview stage.

:love: this school. I don't want to fall in love with any school b/c the whole process is uncertain... But this is amazing!

Glad you think so!

I actually came here for a Physicians for Human Rights conference 2 years before I applied and loved the atmosphere, the students, and the professors, and knew I wanted to be here. I agree though that med school admissions is a tricky process. Regardless, best of luck!

:thumbup: :thumbup: Thanks for this post! It's incredibly helpful and insightful. To be honest, I'm sold. If I can nail down that good MCAT score now, I'd love to apply to Brown. :luck:

Best of luck! I used to teach MCAT for Kaplan and am a big fan of their texts (I think if you're an independent learner, the full class is really unnecessary though the practice exams aren't bad). If I can be of any help with general studying tips or the such, just PM me

I'm looking on MSAR and Brown requires social science and behavioral science. If I don't have a social science class, does that mean I'm eliminated from the get-go? I've taken psych classes that are social science-y, but they are in the psych dept...

I'm looking on MSAR and Brown requires social science and behavioral science. If I don't have a social science class, does that mean I'm eliminated from the get-go? I've taken psych classes that are social science-y, but they are in the psych dept...

I think MSAR can be useful but it can also be a bit lacking in detail. Here's the website for the course requirements.

http://brown.edu/academics/medical/admission/coursework

More specifically, the social science requirement states that you need 2 courses related to the study of human behavior and that preferably those courses would be in the field of anthropology, sociology, psychology, economics, or political science.

You are not limited to those alone though. I fulfilled the requirement with public health coursework.

:thumbup: :thumbup: Thanks for this post! It's incredibly helpful and insightful. To be honest, I'm sold. If I can nail down that good MCAT score now, I'd love to apply to Brown. :luck:

Same here, thanks for all the info!

Hi Lafakads,

The MSAR is correct, the school is deffinately OOSF (please forgive my lack of familiarity with SDN acronyms but I'm assuming you mean out of state friendly). Our class comes from all over (good number of Californians in particular) which makes sense since it's a private med school as opposed to a state school.

And from my own experience and observations, Brown likes different backgrounds. Many of us are non-traditional (off the top of my head I have classmates who are documentary filmmakers, community health workers, TFA alums, Peace Corp alums, former CHWs, investment finance people, a BASE jumper, a number of us who were EMTs, and the list goes on). Even a good number of PLME students take a year off to travel or work and those who come straight through had very different undergrad experiences from the traditional pre-med track so there's plenty of variety. There's no one thing that I think admissions is really looking for. As far as I can tell, they are just looking for people with a passion for life and the dedication and determination necessary to do well in the medical world.


As an addendum for the more traditional pre-meds, if your passion for life is studying oncogenes, quorum sensing, tissue engineering, and the such, that is more than awesome and of course counts. Again, I think the key is to just be passionate about your interests, especially since it shows so clearly at the interview stage.

I'm down to apply here! Look out for me in 2013! Hopefully...

I'm down to apply here! Look out for me in 2013! Hopefully...

haha yeah i am just gonna throw it out there and take a shot. I mean ya never know, right?

Hi all! Hi Iorek!

For those of you interested in AMS/Brown, I would definitely recommend you to apply. I will warn you those that are interested in AMS to begin their secondary statement as soon as possible, because last year's was long...I think there was only one school longer than AMS's...I think it was UWashington.

Pros:
New School: The building is amazing. It is awesome having the building not impossible to access through personal vehicle, etc...especially for the late night study sessions. And, I'm sure Iorek can update me on this, but having the gym inside the school is an awesome idea. :D
Great administration: Faculty were amazing, the profs were all very talkative and willing to interact with students. I think AMS faculty seemed the least bothered by us interviewing there...Other faculty from other schools seemed too busy to care about the prospective applicants.
Close to Boston: This is something I discovered later on down the road, but its great having more than one airport to fly into. You can fly into TF Green, OR Logan in Boston, which means you'll have more choices. Heck, you can take a flight into NYC and then take the Acela express train up, if you'd like. Having that access is very nice. And obviously, Boston is a city where you can have fun and then come back to Providence which is relatively quieter and probably more conducive to an academic life.

Cons:
Cost of Living: As you can see, I eventually decided on Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is REAL cheap, and in comparison to Providence, there's a difference. While AMS has great financial aid, the cost of living is a bit high, but certainly not as bad as NYC, Boston, SF, etc.
Applicant odds: Do realize that a large part of their incoming class are the PLME students, which means that there aren't that many seats available in comparison to other schools. But, I think despite that, its definitely worthwhile applying to this school-I think what the school offers is amazing.

For those of you who are curious-I ended up choosing Pitt simply because I'm finding emergency medicine very interesting, and Pitt is notorious for being a EM giant. Pitt accepted me off the waitlist, and I decided to pull out of AMS after waiting a good amount of time on the waitlist, and after I secured housing in Pittsburgh. (And no, it wasn't because of "rankings" either.)

I still wonder if holding out for AMS would've been the better choice, but oh well-sometimes you just need to make a decision and let it be. So, for those of you starting the application cycle-Good luck and get started early on your AMS app! I assure you that you will not be disappointed when you go to visit Providence on your interview. The school is great!

Hi all! Hi Iorek!

For those of you interested in AMS/Brown, I would definitely recommend you to apply. I will warn you those that are interested in AMS to begin their secondary statement as soon as possible, because last year's was long...I think there was only one school longer than AMS's...I think it was UWashington.

Pros:
New School: The building is amazing. It is awesome having the building not impossible to access through personal vehicle, etc...especially for the late night study sessions. And, I'm sure Iorek can update me on this, but having the gym inside the school is an awesome idea. :D
Great administration: Faculty were amazing, the profs were all very talkative and willing to interact with students. I think AMS faculty seemed the least bothered by us interviewing there...Other faculty from other schools seemed too busy to care about the prospective applicants.
Close to Boston: This is something I discovered later on down the road, but its great having more than one airport to fly into. You can fly into TF Green, OR Logan in Boston, which means you'll have more choices. Heck, you can take a flight into NYC and then take the Acela express train up, if you'd like. Having that access is very nice. And obviously, Boston is a city where you can have fun and then come back to Providence which is relatively quieter and probably more conducive to an academic life.

Cons:
Cost of Living: As you can see, I eventually decided on Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is REAL cheap, and in comparison to Providence, there's a difference. While AMS has great financial aid, the cost of living is a bit high, but certainly not as bad as NYC, Boston, SF, etc.
Applicant odds: Do realize that a large part of their incoming class are the PLME students, which means that there aren't that many seats available in comparison to other schools. But, I think despite that, its definitely worthwhile applying to this school-I think what the school offers is amazing.

For those of you who are curious-I ended up choosing Pitt simply because I'm finding emergency medicine very interesting, and Pitt is notorious for being a EM giant. Pitt accepted me off the waitlist, and I decided to pull out of AMS after waiting a good amount of time on the waitlist, and after I secured housing in Pittsburgh. (And no, it wasn't because of "rankings" either.)

I still wonder if holding out for AMS would've been the better choice, but oh well-sometimes you just need to make a decision and let it be. So, for those of you starting the application cycle-Good luck and get started early on your AMS app! I assure you that you will not be disappointed when you go to visit Providence on your interview. The school is great!

Surely the # of PLME students can't be huge... can it? Their stats say they accept mostly OOS!

Hi all! Hi Iorek!

For those of you interested in AMS/Brown, I would definitely recommend you to apply. I will warn you those that are interested in AMS to begin their secondary statement as soon as possible, because last year's was long...I think there was only one school longer than AMS's...I think it was UWashington.


Just FYI, the 'word limit' on Brown's statement is so darn long specifically because we don't want anyone to feel like they didn't have enough room to state their case. In NO way do we expect every essay to hit the limit (and mine was 1500-2000 if I recall correctly). In fact, as with most things in medicine/med school/life, it's better to be brief if you can't back it up. Common misconception, but please don't kill yourself trying to write an opus, we just want to see what you have to say :)

Surely the # of PLME students can't be huge... can it? Their stats say they accept mostly OOS!

PLME's make up less than half of the class, there's plenty of room for standards (especially now that the class size has bumped up to 120). And there aren't even enough in-staters to make an in-state preference a concern (Rhode Island has a population of < 1 million, Providence population > 1 x 10^6 because it includes South Mass.). I'd say don't let the numbers dissuade you, you'll never know if you don't take your shot.

I agree with aloepathic on those points. the PLMEs aren't that big of a deal, honestly. It's not liek they're socially weird or anything either. For the cons I mentioned, they're relatively LAME ones compared to the negatives of other schools you could apply to, if you haven't noticed. Again, for those interested, apply to AMS. Great school.

I agree with aloepathic on those points. the PLMEs aren't that big of a deal, honestly. It's not liek they're socially weird or anything either. For the cons I mentioned, they're relatively LAME ones compared to the negatives of other schools you could apply to, if you haven't noticed. Again, for those interested, apply to AMS. Great school.

Definitely still applying, love what Iorek had to say on the school plus whatever I've been reading about them on their website. Just was surprised that almost 50% of the class is made up of PLME's. Nothing to do with "socially weird" or not, haven't met them.

The MCAT average seems slightly lower then comparable top-tier schools. Does that mean they are less of a numbers school?

The reason I'm asking: I absolutely love what I know about the school but I am (a) low-ish MCAT - 30 and (b) from a lower-tier state school in the Midwest. Assuming other aspects of my application are up to par, is it worth applying? Trying to keep my application fees as low as possible, but would still like to throw my hat into two or three top schools.

The MCAT average seems slightly lower then comparable top-tier schools. Does that mean they are less of a numbers school?

The reason I'm asking: I absolutely love what I know about the school but I am (a) low-ish MCAT - 30 and (b) from a lower-tier state school in the Midwest. Assuming other aspects of my application are up to par, is it worth applying? Trying to keep my application fees as low as possible, but would still like to throw my hat into two or three top schools.

The 50% PLME may drag the median down a bit.

Alas, this is going to be a tad laconic so I apologize preemptively if this post is not up to par.

Just a heads up, I think the secondary for Brown should be up this week, potentially as early as tomorrow. I think Aloepathic knows far more than I do about the appropriate length for the essay responses so I'd heed the advice given (I'll fully admit I was one of those naive souls who pretty much used the full word count).

On the topic of PLME students, they do indeed make up a sizable portion of the class but it varies from year to year. First off, they are awesome. My sentiment is that the one big difference between PLME students and standard admits is that the PLMEs already know the best restaurants and social scenes before classes even begin which gets the year off with a good start. I think they also bring a calm and relaxed vibe to the beginning of first year, having bypassed the pressure cooker pre-med atmosphere (that said, one of my anatomy partners was PLME and perhaps one of the most wired people I know (which worked out quite nicely because I found anatomy to be draining so her energy was pretty much the only thing that got our group through each lab (not to mention she pretty much tutored us all on the structures because she is awesome)). Some of my closest friends here are PLME, some are standard admits; I'd say that's pretty much the way it goes for everyone here. Yes, they take up some of the class spots but I think they are also one of the reasons anyone should want to come to brown because they really do have a positive influence on the class dynamic.

Not sure about the MCAT one way or the other. The sources I'm finding show an average of 33.7. I'd imagine the PLME students shouldn't even be counted in the average since the vast majority of them do not choose to take the MCAT. I am not a huge fan of advising students based on their stats but I will simply say this. A) You can't get an interview or be accepted at a school you don't apply to, B) You never really know what an admissions committee is looking for, and C) average MCAT and GPAs are just that, averages!!! There are those who's scores will fall on the higher end of the distribution and those who's scores will be on the lower end among any admitted class to any medical school.

That said a high GPA and MCAT aren't simply good for rankings but rather they can show a commitment to academics and the ability to tackle the USMLE. In the absence of either one or both (and even when both are present), you will always need something more to show your determination and your capacity for learning medicine. I'd bet good money though that everyone reading this already knows this and has put a lot of time and effort to better their community and the world through service and/or research so at the end of the day I could philosophize about this for ages but it just comes down to sizing yourself up and deciding if you want to take a shot.

Alas, this is going to be a tad laconic so I apologize preemptively if this post is not up to par.

Just a heads up, I think the secondary for Brown should be up this week, potentially as early as tomorrow. I think Aloepathic knows far more than I do about the appropriate length for the essay responses so I'd heed the advice given (I'll fully admit I was one of those naive souls who pretty much used the full word count).

On the topic of PLME students, they do indeed make up a sizable portion of the class but it varies from year to year. First off, they are awesome. My sentiment is that the one big difference between PLME students and standard admits is that the PLMEs already know the best restaurants and social scenes before classes even begin which gets the year off with a good start. I think they also bring a calm and relaxed vibe to the beginning of first year, having bypassed the pressure cooker pre-med atmosphere (that said, one of my anatomy partners was PLME and perhaps one of the most wired people I know (which worked out quite nicely because I found anatomy to be draining so her energy was pretty much the only thing that got our group through each lab (not to mention she pretty much tutored us all on the structures because she is awesome)). Some of my closest friends here are PLME, some are standard admits; I'd say that's pretty much the way it goes for everyone here. Yes, they take up some of the class spots but I think they are also one of the reasons anyone should want to come to brown because they really do have a positive influence on the class dynamic.

Not sure about the MCAT one way or the other. The sources I'm finding show an average of 33.7. I'd imagine the PLME students shouldn't even be counted in the average since the vast majority of them do not choose to take the MCAT. I am not a huge fan of advising students based on their stats but I will simply say this. A) You can't get an interview or be accepted at a school you don't apply to, B) You never really know what an admissions committee is looking for, and C) average MCAT and GPAs are just that, averages!!! There are those who's scores will fall on the higher end of the distribution and those who's scores will be on the lower end among any admitted class to any medical school.

That said a high GPA and MCAT aren't simply good for rankings but rather they can show a commitment to academics and the ability to tackle the USMLE. In the absence of either one or both (and even when both are present), you will always need something more to show your determination and your capacity for learning medicine. I'd bet good money though that everyone reading this already knows this and has put a lot of time and effort to better their community and the world through service and/or research so at the end of the day I could philosophize about this for ages but it just comes down to sizing yourself up and deciding if you want to take a shot.

Thanks for the reply. Will definitely be on the lookout for @Aleopathic's response, the 5000 char max is a bit over-the-top considering we just did a personal statement for 5300 char max...

Thanks for the reply. Will definitely be on the lookout for @Aleopathic's response, the 5000 char max is a bit over-the-top considering we just did a personal statement for 5300 char max...

No worries, the character limit is literally that, a limit (as in, if you somehow managed to force the reader to review something more than 5000 characters he/she would be extremely unhappy). Write something you're happy with and submit it at whatever length that turns out to be no matter how short (but definitely not longer than 5000 char). It may feel weird since all the other secondaries have limits that cramp a bit, but it is *normal* to submit an essay well under the limit.

In answer to some of the other questions, yes Brown is less focused on numbers than other schools provided you have an interesting story and are bringing something other than a GPA/MCAT to the med school (and the aforementioned essay is a perfect place to talk about how much you bring).

Bumping to say secondary received this morning.

Could someone please post the prompt? Thanks!

Bummer. I pre-wrote this secondary, but they've changed the prompts:

3000 character limit for each response.

1. Summarize your activities during the 2012-2013 academic year. Describe how your activities are preparing you for a medical career.

NOTE: Interviews occur on Thursdays and/or Fridays beginning in late September and finishing in mid-February. Please let us know of any limitations on your availability during this time, such as international travel, work or courses.

2. How will your unique attributes (e.g., cultural or socioeconomic background, lifestyle, work experiences) add to the overall diversity of the Alpert Medical School community?

3. What are your aspirations for your medical practice? Fast-forward to 15 years in the future: where do you imagine yourself?

Hi Lorek,

Could you tell us how many non-canadian international students there are in your class?
Thanks!

Just submitted this secondary and I absolutely loved the last essay question! A long shot but I still have to try!

Hi Lorek,

Could you tell us how many non-canadian international students there are in your class?
Thanks!

Honestly not sure. I know of at least one student who's strictly non-Canadian international. I'm pretty sure there are also a couple of us who are dual.

For those who have filled out the prereq page, the directions say to include the course name for each entry but I do not see a box to include the name of the course, just the course number.

Any insight?

EDIT: Just decided to type in COURSE NUMBER, COURSE NAME in the 'Course Number' box.

1. Summarize your activities during the 2012-2013 academic year. Describe how your activities are preparing you for a medical career.


Is this essay for all applicants or just those taking a gap year? Just to make sure that's not a typo in the year, they want us to explain what we plan to do next year?

Is this essay for all applicants or just those taking a gap year? Just to make sure that's not a typo in the year, they want us to explain what we plan to do next year?

Correct. Among other things it gives your potential interviewers a chance to see what you're currently doing so they can ask how it's coming along (since your interviews will of course take place during the academic year) as opposed to focusing the entire interview on past activities that you may no longer be involved in, especially if you're done with college and taking a gap year.

Cheers and best of luck to everyone! With luck, hope to see you guys and gals during the interview days!

Anyone know how to input hours in the prereq box if our school didn't use an hours system. (i.e. my school gave 1.0 cu for a semester of study)

Complete since 7/8/12.

For the pre-reqs it says to list course name and course number, but they only give a box for course number. What did you guys do for this? Just list course number?

I'm verified and pre-writing the secondary. If my MCAT scores get released in late August, is there any point in sending in the secondaries early?

For the pre-reqs it says to list course name and course number, but they only give a box for course number. What did you guys do for this? Just list course number?

umm there should be a "course" column with drop-down menu for "biology," "physics", "organic chemistry," etc.

I'm verified and pre-writing the secondary. If my MCAT scores get released in late August, is there any point in sending in the secondaries early?

i would call admissions and see what they suggest...good luck :)

wouldn't course name be something like "Principles of Biology 1"?

umm there should be a "course" column with drop-down menu for "biology," "physics", "organic chemistry," etc.



i would call admissions and see what they suggest...good luck :)

wouldn't course name be something like "Principles of Biology 1"?

haha you'd think so, but they have it set up so that it just displays the generic subject name (biology, inorganic chemistry, physics, etc.)

I'm verified and pre-writing the secondary. If my MCAT scores get released in late August, is there any point in sending in the secondaries early?

There would be because they give a timestamp for when you submit the secondary application. I presume they don't ignore that - I don't think they only look at the timestamp for overall completion.

It would be in your best interest to submit as early as possible, even if your MCAT prevents your file from being completed until later.

This whole "where do you see yourself in 15 years" essay has me a bit confused. Obviously, I'd like to be a physician and all that comes with it. I also want to be involved with health policy/public health. There are so many routes I can take (academic & community) and I really have no clue as to where my ambitions lie specifically. Would it be safe to just talk about being involved in academic medicine where I can do research/work in health care policy, etc.? This just seems like such an open-ended question

Yes, what's wrong with your planned approach? Sounds quite acceptable.

It sounds planned now but as soon as I start typing in Word my mind will be all over the place with possibilities. Just stick with one approach?

I applied last Monday (July 9) and still haven't received a secondary. I was verified June 9 and my LORs and MCAT were in before then. Is this the case for anybody else?

For the pre-reqs, I've taken a 9 bio courses and 16 humanities courses etc --- several courses that exceed the requirements, should I put them all in or just the minimal to meet the requirement? Cuz for orgo the requirement is only one semester --- so only list Orgo I or both?

For the pre-reqs, I've taken a 9 bio courses and 16 humanities courses etc --- several courses that exceed the requirements, should I put them all in or just the minimal to meet the requirement? Cuz for orgo the requirement is only one semester --- so only list Orgo I or both?

I went with just the required courses. I think they want to make sure you've hit the minimum required competencies.

I applied last Monday (July 9) and still haven't received a secondary. I was verified June 9 and my LORs and MCAT were in before then. Is this the case for anybody else?

I'm in the exact same position. Added Brown and Dartmouth last week. Received Dartmouth's, but nothing from Brown.

It sounds planned now but as soon as I start typing in Word my mind will be all over the place with possibilities. Just stick with one approach?

Personally I think your realization that there's a vast array of choices shows good insight and if you could articulate it well and incorporate it into your narrative, I would. That said, the beauty of the question is the very variety that you've already pointed out so just write whatever you think best convey's your intent. As with most writing, it helps if you can work in a story that helps the reader better understand where you're coming from of what you mean.

On a related note, whenever mentors come to talk to us about specialties or career paths, we're often told that it often helps to just go with your hunches and to just take a shot at something. In the worst case scenario, you find out that it just isn't for you and you move onto something new. Even if it takes a few attempts before you find your niche, it will help your career if you show initiative and drive, regardless as to what your goal is.

I think its ridiculous that out of the 109 seats every year, 59 are filled from other methods than AMCAS. That means that all of us who applied the regular way are competing for just 40 seats. talk about competition.

I think its ridiculous that out of the 109 seats every year, 59 are filled from other methods than AMCAS. That means that all of us who applied the regular way are competing for just 40 seats. talk about competition.

There are 59 PMLE or whatever? That seems fairly ridiculous

There are 59 PMLE or whatever? That seems fairly ridiculous

last year: 52 amcas, 39 pmle (six deferred), 15 through linkage (bryn mawr, etc), and three through early identification program.

So when I preview the secondary, my essays all show up as one paragraph. For the last two, I had two paragraphs, Confused....

last year: 52 amcas, 39 pmle (six deferred), 15 through linkage (bryn mawr, etc), and three through early identification program.

That seems accurate. Also, just a heads up, the class sizes for 2016 and beyond should be right around 120 people.

Got a complete email today, submitted the day after it came out!

Got a complete email today, submitted the day after it came out!

same here. good luck!

I think its ridiculous that out of the 109 seats every year, 59 are filled from other methods than AMCAS. That means that all of us who applied the regular way are competing for just 40 seats. talk about competition.

Hate to be the one to do this, but doesn't 109-59= 50 spots that we are fighting for? Still sucks, but better than 40 for sure =]

Hate to be the one to do this, but doesn't 109-59= 50 spots that we are fighting for? Still sucks, but better than 40 for sure =]
You should be automatically admitted for catching that.

So when I preview the secondary, my essays all show up as one paragraph. For the last two, I had two paragraphs, Confused....

Shameless bump. How'd everyone deal with this?

Shameless bump. How'd everyone deal with this?
it is absolutely absurd how many formatting/glitches there have been w/ this year's group of secondaries. absolutely absurd.

Shameless bump. How'd everyone deal with this?

FWIW, I never previewed my secondary. After I submitted, it gave me the option to print and on that preview everything looked fine essay aside.... Some of the scripted boxes were pretty distorted though :laugh:

For the 2012-2013 activities prompt, should we be typing out an essay or listing each activity with a brief description?

For the 2012-2013 activities prompt, should we be typing out an essay or listing each activity with a brief description?

I guess it could go both ways, but I just typed out two small paragraphs

For the 2012-2013 activities prompt, should we be typing out an essay or listing each activity with a brief description?

I typed out an essay, but mostly because it took me space to explain the "how will it prepare you for a career in medicine" deal. I really like brown, hope they're nice to me. :xf:

For some reason I can't access the application, like the connection won't get through. Anyone else having this problem? Also is there any prompt that asks for additional information? I'd like to add "Why Brown" if possible.

For some reason I can't access the application, like the connection won't get through. Anyone else having this problem? Also is there any prompt that asks for additional information? I'd like to add "Why Brown" if possible.

If you're clicking the link... make sure you type it in or text copy.

Also is there any prompt that asks for additional information? I'd like to add "Why Brown" if possible.

I don't see a question where that applies. I'm pretty sure they know everyone would choose Brown over essentially any other school, so I don't think they need proof that you really want to go there.

I received the secondary this morning and just submitted. Good luck everyone!

If you're clicking the link... make sure you type it in or text copy.

Thanks bro @ceasefire Thanks for the information. I just think it'd be important to give reasons why you're applying to the specific school to show you're a good fit. I guess Brown feels other things are more important *shrug*

Thanks bro @ceasefire Thanks for the information. I just think it'd be important to give reasons why you're applying to the specific school to show you're a good fit. I guess Brown feels other things are more important *shrug*

When my class year applied, one of the questions was a typical paraphrase of "Why Brown?"

My bet is that admissions was receiving mostly canned responses that didn't really reveal much about each applicant's character, motives, and attributes.

For the most part, your motivation to go to a particular school won't really play into that school's admissions decision until after you've made it through to the interview. As I'm sure most of you have already been told by peers, mentors, and pre-med advisers, if you have your heart set on a school and are lucky enough to interview there, be sure to state your intent in your thank you letters. Just be sure to be sincere and true to your word. Also, be kind and remember that a lot of hard work goes into the interview day and it is always nice to send thank you letters to involved individuals aside from just your interviewers.

Best of luck to those of you already done with your secondaries. When people start hearing about interviews, please feel free to pm me (fun fact: since my house has three med student apartments, there's always a decent chance you might be hosted here when you interview).

Is anyone else having trouble logging in to the secondary? I keep getting an Error message... I was able to log in and start my secondary yesterday and I'm ready to submit now but can't! I tried firefox and safari and get Error message in both browsers... Any ideas?

Is anyone else having trouble logging in to the secondary? I keep getting an Error message... I was able to log in and start my secondary yesterday and I'm ready to submit now but can't! I tried firefox and safari and get Error message in both browsers... Any ideas?

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I couldn't figure out how to adjust the paragraph formatting, either! But I'm really happy I just submitted the secondary :D

Did anybody else get that packet of info on Brown med in the mail?

Did anybody else get that packet of info on Brown med in the mail?

lol yes, got excited for no reason at all.. not even sure what I thought it might be. Accepted with no interview??? :p False hope.

lol yes, got excited for no reason at all.. not even sure what I thought it might be. Accepted with no interview??? :p False hope.

yea, it's nothing

I was verified on 7/16, but I'm yet to receive a secondary. How long did everyone else wait before getting an e-mail?

I was verified on 7/16, but I'm yet to receive a secondary. How long did everyone else wait before getting an e-mail?

It took me about 3 weeks =/

Having trouble getting back into the secondary to submit. Typed it in as well as tried copying it and pasting but no luck. Could someone else try opening the secondary app portal and let me know if its working for you or not? Thanks, I appreciate it.

Having trouble getting back into the secondary to submit. Typed it in as well as tried copying it and pasting but no luck. Could someone else try opening the secondary app portal and let me know if its working for you or not? Thanks, I appreciate it.

Down.

Down.

Having trouble getting back into the secondary to submit. Typed it in as well as tried copying it and pasting but no luck. Could someone else try opening the secondary app portal and let me know if its working for you or not? Thanks, I appreciate it.

Are you guys getting the, "An error occurred while processing your request. Please contact the help desk for assistance." message when you try to log in to the secondary portal? Seems as if the site is still down...... Frustrating. Trying to submit the secondary!

Are you guys getting the, "An error occurred while processing your request. Please contact the help desk for assistance." message when you try to log in to the secondary portal? Seems as if the site is still down...... Frustrating. Trying to submit the secondary!

I only checked the site. I submitted a while ago and have not logged in since. It's back up again so I would try again earlier rather than later.

what kind of area is providence/the area surrounding brown? suburban?

what kind of area is providence/the area surrounding brown? suburban?


Straightforward answer: Providence proper is urban. The east side (which include college hill and the Brown undergrad campus) is urban in terms of density (most of the housing is triple decker homes built on compact lots but has a suburban tinge to it due to the greenery.

Longer answer:

Providence is kind of a chimera. The downtown area is certainly urban with plenty of eateries, cafes, shops, and clubs, not to mention the massive Providence Place mall (I'm not a huge fan of malls but I have to admit it's nicely designed with natural light streaming in through a glass ceiling). There's also waterplace park where they hold community concerts and where WaterFire kicks off from. The area around brown on the other hand (college hill) has a very different vibe in that it's mostly dense residential houses with plenty of parks and trees and a few thoroughfares dedicated to restaurants, indie cafes, used book stores, and other shops (Thayer St right next to the main campus is one and then there's Wickenden and Wayland sq which are both neighborhoods that med students tend to congregate around). West from downtown and across from 95, there's federal hill which is a lively residential area perhaps best known for its Italian restaurants. Then south of the city and across from 95 is Broad St which is a lower-income area where the RI Free Clinic is based, along with the RI Hospital not far away. The medical school building is in an area adjacent to downtown known as the Jewlery district. It's a former industrial area (warehouses and the such) that it trying to modernize. Brown has bought up a good deal of land there and has been making some significant investments. In between the med school and one of the research buildings Brown owns, they built a small park where they know hold a weekly farmers market (Providence has a good number of excellent food trucks that tend to stop by during the markets as well).

I grew up near Boston and went to undergrad in a rural area and I have to say I love living in Providence. It's fun, diverse, and compact. I like the fact that I can walk from my apartment on the east side (college hill and the adjacent neighborhoods) to anywhere in the city within 30 minutes. I also like that I can drive for 20 minutes and go swimming in the ocean and lay about on the beach or I can drive 50 minutes north to tromp around the blue hills or south to go down to the Newport cliffwalk, 1 hour to Boston, 2 hours to excellent hiking spots in NH or 3 hours to NYC. On top of that, it doesn't hurt that my rent is $425 monthly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZa-oaEQf8k

^^^^ video is hilarious lol

Not only are these kids geniuses (they got into BROWN MED) but they seem laid back!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZa-oaEQf8k

^^^^ video is hilarious lol

Not only are these kids geniuses (they got into BROWN MED) but they seem laid back!

Amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZa-oaEQf8k

^^^^ video is hilarious lol

Not only are these kids geniuses (they got into BROWN MED) but they seem laid back!

:D Let's go chill, yo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uza-oaeqf8k

^^^^ video is hilarious lol

not only are these kids geniuses (they got into brown med) but they seem laid back!

lol

Haha, glad you guys and gals are enjoying watching it as much as we did! Some wickedly awesome first and second years (now 2nd and 3rd years) made it for our variety show, "Low Yield," last year. You can find a few of the other acts under the channel alpertlowyield but I thought I'd post the link to one of my personal favorites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J3_fXAU3UA&feature=BFa&list=PL69CA6DA41ECA16A1

After we hold our next Low Yield this fall, I'll be sure to post the videos here in case anyone wants to check them out.

You should be automatically admitted for catching that.

Haha, I'll be sure to take a screenshot of this to show admissions at my interview. Oh wait, I have to get one first.. :(

ah, that sounds amazing! thanks for the detailed answer!

So, I got a secondary invite and it gave me a user name & said I would get another email "soon" with instructions on how to use it. An hour later I got the exact same email again, with no instructions. Did something go wrong, or does "soon" mean a day or two?

Edit: Nevermind! I am just impatient and the second email eventually came through.

On this, I have a quick question. I'm interested in otolaryngology and last I checked, I didn't see that Brown had an otolaryngology residency program. Is there a student interest group for otolaryngology? And do you think it is necessary for the MD school you attend to have a department for your specialty of choice? I've heard this is important for letters of recommendation and such.

Thanks!

EDIT: Did additional research. Oto program exists. *OOPS*

Hey, GooseWing. I'm a 4th year at Brown applying to ENT. Yes we do have an ENT group. We are gonig to have lectures/presentations starting this september. Its true, we do not have an established ENT residency program. However, the ENT residents from Tufts University rotate at Rhodeisland hospital (RIH). LORs are important for ENT. However, you will be able to get them very easily if you do an away rotation here. Dr. Groblewski is our local ENT mentor and is GREAT at hooking up students. He's very invested in med student education and actually helped hook me and several of my friends up with research projects. We can get Chairman letters from our chairman Dr. Duff. Also, many of us rotate at Tufts. This counts as our away but is really our home base program since their residents rotate at RIH. I just rotated there and got very strong endorsements from their chairman and former residency director. They treat Brown med students as their own. So I don't think you will have any problems getting letters.

One final word. Brown has had a 100% ent match rate for the past 5 years. I think that record speaks for itself. If you have any other questions don't hesitate to post.

I'm also willing to answer any other questions about the clinical years if you guys have them.

Hey, GooseWing. I'm a 4th year at Brown applying to ENT. Yes we do have an ENT group. We are gonig to have lectures/presentations starting this september. Its true, we do not have an established ENT residency program. However, the ENT residents from Tufts University rotate at Rhodeisland hospital (RIH). LORs are important for ENT. However, you will be able to get them very easily if you do an away rotation here. Dr. Groblewski is our local ENT mentor and is GREAT at hooking up students. He's very invested in med student education and actually helped hook me and several of my friends up with research projects. We can get Chairman letters from our chairman Dr. Duff. Also, many of us rotate at Tufts. This counts as our away but is really our home base program since their residents rotate at RIH. I just rotated there and got very strong endorsements from their chairman and former residency director. They treat Brown med students as their own. So I don't think you will have any problems getting letters.

One final word. Brown has had a 100% ent match rate for the past 5 years. I think that record speaks for itself. If you have any other questions don't hesitate to post.

I'm also willing to answer any other questions about the clinical years if you guys have them.

Awesome post and very interesting. Thanks for the well thought out reply!

Anyone hear back anything or get a status change?

Anyone hear back anything or get a status change?

Nope. Playing the waiting game...

What are Brown's screening cutoffs post-secondaries?

Last year no one posted anything about interviews coming out until like the 23rd so we have quite a while still to wait.

Anyone having trouble accessing the secondary website?

Anyone having trouble accessing the secondary website?

Don't click the link. copy and paste into your browser.

don't click the link. Copy and paste into your browser.
thanks!!

First interviews are late September, fyi (9/20 I believe), but interviews will continue until early 2013

First interviews are late September, fyi (9/20 I believe), but interviews will continue until early 2013

Thanks! Do you know when we should expect to hear back about interviews/rejections?

I hope I am not being overly specific in my career aspirations essay. I'd love to eventually serve as medical director at an FQHC serving some particular populations. Will they think I am prematurely pigeonholing myself?

I think if you have experiences that back up why you're passionate about that type of work then no. I understand what you mean though. When I was writing for that question I was pretty anxious about coming off super specific or close-minded to other career options.

I have two years volunteering at a clinic that I consider a near-perfect model for the type of work that I want to do, which is good. And in my first essay on the next year I tie in some new responsibilities I am taking on there. So I think it will be fine.

I have two years volunteering at a clinic that I consider a near-perfect model for the type of work that I want to do, which is good. And in my first essay on the next year I tie in some new responsibilities I am taking on there. So I think it will be fine.
Don't worry, rachelkj! From what I have seen of your profile and mission statement, you are going to get into tons of schools! Just say what you want to say and you'll be fine.

Aww, shucks.

I have two years volunteering at a clinic that I consider a near-perfect model for the type of work that I want to do, which is good. And in my first essay on the next year I tie in some new responsibilities I am taking on there. So I think it will be fine.

The first sentence is what you want to write about. Being overly specific can hurt you. You never know what the future will bring as things can always be improved upon. That is why being a physician is about. But your aspirations are definitely inline with the school. Write about your experience, leave out the part about what you specifically want to do/become in the future. Just a thought.

I have two years volunteering at a clinic that I consider a near-perfect model for the type of work that I want to do, which is good. And in my first essay on the next year I tie in some new responsibilities I am taking on there. So I think it will be fine.

The general career advice given in med school is that you should choose a career direction based off of your initial interests and just to start immersing yourself in that field as quickly as possible. Best case scenario is that you find out your instincts were right and you have an early start, and the worst case scenario is that you end up hating it but fortunately find out early enough that you can easily change tack.

The admissions essay specifically asks you to describe where you imagine yourself in the future so I don't think they're going to penalize you for having a detailed vision. That said, I think it's always a good idea to acknowledge the incredible capacity for life to sweep you away from what you thought was your life path and to put you on the road to a completely different but nevertheless incredible adventure.


Edit: Also, the first years are starting their classes today. Having had the chance to get to know a decent number of them over the orientation period, I can say that anyone coming here next year can look forward to some fantastic 2nd year classmates.

The general career advice given in med school is that you should choose a career direction based off of your initial interests and just to start immersing yourself in that field as quickly as possible. Best case scenario is that you find out your instincts were right and you have an early start, and the worst case scenario is that you end up hating it but fortunately find out early enough that you can easily change tack.

The admissions essay specifically asks you to describe where you imagine yourself in the future so I don't think they're going to penalize you for having a detailed vision. That said, I think it's always a good idea to acknowledge the incredible capacity for life to sweep you away from what you thought was your life path and to put you on the road to a completely different but nevertheless incredible adventure.


Edit: Also, the first years are starting their classes today. Having had the chance to get to know a decent number of them over the orientation period, I can say that anyone coming here next year can look forward to some fantastic 2nd year classmates.
Well said. One quick add on point. Be prepared to answer questions such as: What happens if that x goal doesn't work out? or What are some other career goals you have?

Interview invite received this morning! Secondary submitted 7/20, yay :D

Interview invite received this morning! Secondary submitted 7/20, yay :D

Woo congrats! I just submitted my secondary today

Interview invite! What a great way to start off the week :D

Interview invite! What a great way to start off the week :D
congrats!! when were you complete?

Interview invite! What a great way to start off the week :D

Congratulations! I'm very jealous! What are your stats and when were you complete?

II received! You all stole my 9/20! Rawr. It's okay I got 10/05 :) So pumped.

To those of you who have already received invites, congrats! To those of you waiting to hear back, I have my fingers crossed for you. Regardless, today is the first day of class for second years so I might be delayed in my responses from here on out, but as always, feel free to ask any questions I can help out with.

Cheers!
PK

edit:
p.s. I suggest that unless you are a really light sleeper that you arrange to spend the night prior to your interview at a medical student's house or apartment. I did this throughout my interview circuit and I thought it gave me some of the best insight possible into what it was like to go to each medical school I was interviewing at. No experience you have during your interview visit will be 100% representative of that school's character but being hosted by a medical student gives you the chance to have a candid discussion with them and also allows you to just see what life is like as a student of that school. Right now admissions is collecting a list of student hosts so after you get an interview, you'll have the chance to contact a student host who you think will be a good match if you so decide to stay with a student.

9/20, but it's been filled.

Doesn't seem like it. I signed up for 10/5. 10/3 was also available that Wednesday.

congrats!! when were you complete?

Congratulations! I'm very jealous! What are your stats and when were you complete?

Thanks! I was marked complete 7/20. 3.72 gpa, mcat score is below their median.

II received today. Submitted 7/23.

I just added Brown to my amcas a day or two ago- when should I expect the secondary?

I just added Brown to my amcas a day or two ago- when should I expect the secondary?

It took 4 days for me to receive mine, good luck!

Did anyone receive a packet from the admissions office with a folder of information after being verified by AMCAS? I was verified last week and received the secondary earlier this week and today I got a large envelope in the mail. I'll try not to get too excited as I assume this is common practice for Brown?

Sent from my Nexus 7 using SDN Mobile

Yes, I received one as well.

i added brown last week to my amcas and still no secondary

Pretty sure everyone receives one of those who gets a secondary. It also had a written secondary request in it, so yeah... Also, I think Brown will be a pretty substantial wait for both a secondary and an interview invite as they're one of the most selective schools in the country.

Interview invitation received today at 11:18am EST. Secondary submitted & marked complete Tuesday, August 7th. Interview scheduled for Thursday, October 4th (first available date).

Does anyone know what percentage of interviewees receive an acceptance?

just checked on the status page, and it says "your application is on hold for further review." Does anyone know what this has meant in the past? Silent rejection, or are people with this status actually reviewed again?

Wait where does it say this? Like below/next to the application file complete?

Interview Invite this morning!!! Really excited about this school. Complete 8/20. check mdapps for stats

Does anyone know if they will add anymore interview dates? They only have three available right now, none of which work for me.. :(

Alternative admissions... are you referring to the PMLEs? I was also wondering if Brown undergrads are interviewed like conventional applicants, and if those numbers are included on the MSAR acceptance info. Can any current students shed some light on this?

Interview Invite this morning!!! Really excited about this school. Complete 8/20. check mdapps for stats

Does anyone know if they will add anymore interview dates? They only have three available right now, none of which work for me.. :(


I would definitely get in contact with admissions, and let them know so that they can schedule you in for the next batch of interviews. As you know, it's always best to get your interviews in as early as possible but Brown is pretty excellent about reviewing candidates fairly throughout the cycle.

And I think Blais has it right with the alternative admissions catch-all terminology.

As always, best of luck classy people. Look forward to meeting some of you when you come by for interviews.

Thanks for the help lorek! Scheduled for Thursday October 4!!! Do you (or anyone else) know if I should just go ahead and email some of the student hosts from the pdf? Also, how far away is the airport?

Thanks for the help lorek! Scheduled for Thursday October 4!!! Do you (or anyone else) know if I should just go ahead and email some of the student hosts from the pdf? Also, how far away is the airport?

Yah, I'd try to figure out a host sooner rather than later. October 4th doesn't fall during an exam week but it does happen to be in the middle of some challenging blocks (on the 12th, the first years will be having their biochem exam and on the 15th, the 2nd years have a renal exam). I don't think you'll have trouble finding a host but it's good to give them as much of a head's up as possible.


The airport is about 25 minutes away by car. There's a commuter train there that'll take you to Providence or worst case scenario you'll have to pay for an airport shuttle. http://www.mbta.com/schedules_and_maps/rail/lines/?route=PROVSTOU

Best of luck on the fourth!

Interview Invite this morning!!! Really excited about this school. Complete 8/20.

Congrats! I was complete 8/14....SUSPENSE.

Flying from Chicago to Providence = ~$400
Flying from Chicago to Boston = ~$200

Would anyone recommend flying to boston then taking a rental car or taking the train? I'd prefer just to fly in to providence because of convenience and less likelihood of getting lost but $200 is a lot of money :(

Flying from Chicago to Providence = ~$400
Flying from Chicago to Boston = ~$200

Would anyone recommend flying to boston then taking a rental car or taking the train? I'd prefer just to fly in to providence because of convenience and less likelihood of getting lost but $200 is a lot of money :(

If I were in your position I would just go ahead and fly into logan, and get to south station to take the train down to providence (if you're good with a short walk, take the blue line down to aquarium and then walk along the Rose Kennedy park over to South Station or you could take the blue to state, switch to the orange line, go to park st, and take a red line train to south station but unless you're coming in wicked late or the weather is crappy, I'd say just walk).

If you do choose to get off at aquarium and walk, be sure to check out the seals right outside the main building. Also, if you've never been to Boston and you have ample time between landing and your train, you could also check out faneuil hall near the waterfront and grab a bite to eat before making your way down to the train station.

Thanks again lorek!!! You've been a real lifesaver so far. I'm definitely fine with a walk, so I will definitely fly into Boston ($90 woohoo), but I'm not sure about flying out from Boston. When would be the earliest flight I should schedule out of Boston? The interview day says it won't be done until 4, there are trains from Providence at 4:10 and 5:12 that get me in to South Station at 5:10 and 6:12 respectively. The latest flight out of Boston that day is 7:45. Do you think I could make it? I guess how far is walking/ getting from South Station to the airport?

Thanks again lorek!!! You've been a real lifesaver so far. I'm definitely fine with a walk, so I will definitely fly into Boston ($90 woohoo), but I'm not sure about flying out from Boston. When would be the earliest flight I should schedule out of Boston? The interview day says it won't be done until 4, there are trains from Providence at 4:10 and 5:12 that get me in to South Station at 5:10 and 6:12 respectively. The latest flight out of Boston that day is 7:45. Do you think I could make it? I guess how far is walking/ getting from South Station to the airport?

No worries, happy to help.

Hmm, unless you hit that 4:10 train, I think you'll be cutting it too close (it takes about 15 minutes to walk from south station to the blue line at the aquarium and at least another 15 minutes to get to logan and a consequent 15 minutes to get to your terminal). If you were to catch a taxi out of south station I think you might be able to get to logan with enough time to ake it even if you roll into town at 6:12 but again, it would be a bit of a gamble. I would either fly out of TF green for your trip home or ask your host if you could stick around for two nights and plan to fly out the next day.

Edit: Also, I don't mind posting in the forum since I'm hoping some of this info is helpful for others as they make their travel plans (choosing between logan and tf green is a pretty common dilemma) but don't hesitate to PM me if you ever want to ask about a highly specific situation.

The silver line (SL1) goes directly between South Station and Logan pretty frequently, if you don't want to walk.

Flying from Chicago to Providence = ~$400
Flying from Chicago to Boston = ~$200

Would anyone recommend flying to boston then taking a rental car or taking the train? I'd prefer just to fly in to providence because of convenience and less likelihood of getting lost but $200 is a lot of money :(

There is a Peter Pan Bus that also stops at each terminal at Logan and brings you into Providence. Pretty convenient and very cheap. You can pay on board, too.

is amp down for anyone else?

is amp down for anyone else?

It is working fine - at least at this moment.

I get the impression from this thread that they haven't given out TOOOO many interviews yet, which is a bit of a relief, but I'm feeling like I've been put on hold after completing a month ago. Anyone else in a similar situation?

I get the impression from this thread that they haven't given out TOOOO many interviews yet, which is a bit of a relief, but I'm feeling like I've been put on hold after completing a month ago. Anyone else in a similar situation?

Did you just post basically this same thing at every school you're applying to? It's only been a month, it's still VERY early in the cycle, and each of these schools have a TON of apps to go through. Chill out, don't worry. You can't go on speculating things like internal holds after a few weeks of being complete or you'll only drive yourself nuts.

Did you just post basically this same thing at every school you're applying to? It's only been a month, it's still VERY early in the cycle, and each of these schools have a TON of apps to go through. Chill out, don't worry. You can't go on speculating things like internal holds after a few weeks of being complete or you'll only drive yourself nuts.

Haha not every school, but yes, I posted in about half of them. Yeah I may be a bit neurotic, nervous, anxious, excited, confused, etc. about this whole process, but I don't think I'm the only one (?). Just seeing more and more people getting IIs from everywhere while your app is stagnant made me want to ask for a couple opinions. It's out of my hands anyways at this point :)

Yeah I may be a bit neurotic, nervous, anxious, excited, confused, etc. about this whole process

You're not alone, for sure:)

Haha not every school, but yes, I posted in about half of them. Yeah I may be a bit neurotic, nervous, anxious, excited, confused, etc. about this whole process, but I don't think I'm the only one (?). Just seeing more and more people getting IIs from everywhere while your app is stagnant made me want to ask for a couple opinions. It's out of my hands anyways at this point :)


Haha, love the description of the emotional pandemonium that every medical school applicant goes through. I think your peers are right in that it's just going to take some more time.

No invites for the past week? Hmm, over the past two and a half weeks I have only heard from two schools, both with rejections =[

Hey Guys,

I know that interviews are coming up quickly. But before you know it the interview season is going to be over and you'll be waiting for admissions and decided where you will go. There are a lot of things to consider when picking a medical school. And I wanted to take some time to highlight some of the other strengths, in addition to public health which is a real forte, of our program which I hope will help you guys make the final decision on where you will go (hopefully to Brown).

OVERVIEW: A lot of people are interested in research and medicine subspecialty or surgical subspecialty medicine. I believe that the clinical years at Brown, which are VERY hands on, really set you up for success in pursuing any type of field that interest you.

CLINICAL TRAINING: The MS3 year at Brown requires you to do all the standard clerkships (with exception of Neurology which is an elective). I believe that we really shine when it comes to the scheduling and the hands on experience in the hospitals. Our curriculum is VERY flexible and people have routinely done 4 week electives early during 3rd year. This really shows residency programs that you are interested in a particular field. Not only can you take clinical electives, which are 4th year courses, during 3rd year but you can pretty much design an independent study that will count towards graduation. This can be research time or an elective experience that you design for yourself if you feel that a particular medical experience isn't offered in the set curriculum. All you need is a faculty sponsor (very easy to find and setup). Clinical training in the hospitals are very hands on from the wards on internal med to the ORs. Attendings/residents routinely walk/supervise people through procedures (e.g thoracentesis, driving laproscopes, laryngoscopy etc...). Pretty much all you have to do is ask and show interest and you'll get the opportunity to get a lot of hands on teaching.
The MSIV year is even more flexible than MSIII where you can have one elective count for multiple graduation requirements. This flexibility leaves you free to schedule away rotations and really focus on honing your skills for whatever subspecialty interests you.

USMLE PREP: Its well known that step 1 is very very important for residency applications. Brown offers you 6-7 weeks (and even more if you need it and want to schedule it) to prep for step 1. Additionally there are individual tutoring and group lectures on Step 1. Our students routinely score in 250s+. Our curriculum prepares us pretty well for the boards.

RESEARCH: Pretty much whatever you want to do. Very easy to get hooked up with a mentor hear. Neuroscience is pretty big at Brown. Plastics research also easy to find within the department. Same with Orthopedics. Actually the Dean of Admissions is an Orthopod. ENT research is also available but can also be arranged at Tufts or MEEI (again Brown's flexible curriculum makes this super easy). Internal Med Subspecialty, public health and service opportunities are abound. We actually get a monthly email from the school of all the research opportunities available to us. Many of our graduates are published in one form or another (not sure of the percentage).

Okay, that was kind of a long post. But if you guys have any further questions feel free to post. I hope that this provided you guys with some more detail as to what you guys can expect at Brown.

Wow now I'm even more excited/nervous to interview here!!! Do you know if any students receive merit based financial aid?

No invites for the past week? Hmm, over the past two and a half weeks I have only heard from two schools, both with rejections =[

I have only heard back from two schools as well. Things should pick up in September.

Wow now I'm even more excited/nervous to interview here!!! Do you know if any students receive merit based financial aid?

Just wanted to update this naswer a bit. Financial aid is need blind. If you want to come to brown, the administration will do everything in its power to make that happen. Our students get a significant amount of aid.

Hey Guys,

I know that interviews are coming up quickly. But before you know it the interview season is going to be over and you'll be waiting for admissions and decided where you will go. There are a lot of things to consider when picking a medical school. And I wanted to take some time to highlight some of the other strengths, in addition to public health which is a real forte, of our program which I hope will help you guys make the final decision on where you will go (hopefully to Brown).

OVERVIEW: A lot of people are interested in research and medicine subspecialty or surgical subspecialty medicine. I believe that the clinical years at Brown, which are VERY hands on, really set you up for success in pursuing any type of field that interest you.

CLINICAL TRAINING: The MS3 year at Brown requires you to do all the standard clerkships (with exception of Neurology which is an elective). I believe that we really shine when it comes to the scheduling and the hands on experience in the hospitals. Our curriculum is VERY flexible and people have routinely done 4 week electives early during 3rd year. This really shows residency programs that you are interested in a particular field. Not only can you take clinical electives, which are 4th year courses, during 3rd year but you can pretty much design an independent study that will count towards graduation. This can be research time or an elective experience that you design for yourself if you feel that a particular medical experience isn't offered in the set curriculum. All you need is a faculty sponsor (very easy to find and setup). Clinical training in the hospitals are very hands on from the wards on internal med to the ORs. Attendings/residents routinely walk/supervise people through procedures (e.g thoracentesis, driving laproscopes, laryngoscopy etc...). Pretty much all you have to do is ask and show interest and you'll get the opportunity to get a lot of hands on teaching.
The MSIV year is even more flexible than MSIII where you can have one elective count for multiple graduation requirements. This flexibility leaves you free to schedule away rotations and really focus on honing your skills for whatever subspecialty interests you.

USMLE PREP: Its well known that step 1 is very very important for residency applications. Brown offers you 6-7 weeks (and even more if you need it and want to schedule it) to prep for step 1. Additionally there are individual tutoring and group lectures on Step 1. Our students routinely score in 250s+. Our curriculum prepares us pretty well for the boards.

RESEARCH: Pretty much whatever you want to do. Very easy to get hooked up with a mentor hear. Neuroscience is pretty big at Brown. Plastics research also easy to find within the department. Same with Orthopedics. Actually the Dean of Admissions is an Orthopod. ENT research is also available but can also be arranged at Tufts or MEEI (again Brown's flexible curriculum makes this super easy). Internal Med Subspecialty, public health and service opportunities are abound. We actually get a monthly email from the school of all the research opportunities available to us. Many of our graduates are published in one form or another (not sure of the percentage).

Okay, that was kind of a long post. But if you guys have any further questions feel free to post. I hope that this provided you guys with some more detail as to what you guys can expect at Brown.

I have a question...I LOVE what I have learned about Brown so far...now how can I get them to dust off my secondary and offer me an interview? ;)

I have a question...I LOVE what I have learned about Brown so far...now how can I get them to dust off my secondary and offer me an interview? ;)
Haha, me too!

I get the impression from this thread that they haven't given out TOOOO many interviews yet, which is a bit of a relief, but I'm feeling like I've been put on hold after completing a month ago. Anyone else in a similar situation?

I'm in the same situation.

I'm in the same situation.

+1

Also, I have a question for any of the Brown students on this board: are you guys doing Scholarly Concentrations? If so, are you enjoying whatever you chose? I really like what I've read about them!

Phew just bought my flights. Total $430 round trip from Chicago :( at least I won't have to miss all day class on the day before

I wanted to take this time out to address a couple of things guys. First, lets talk about scholarly concentrations.

I personally have not done one however they provide a GREAT route for you to pursue research (medical or non-medical) that matters to you. It can look quiet good on your residency resume if you work it right. That being said Brown offers you sooooo many opportunities to tailor you education to your interest that it would take several pages to properly go over them. This would be a great question to ask at interview.

I would like to put in a word for filling out secondary applications. Please take the time to answer the questions. I would really encourage everyone to make sure you show that you really want to come here and not just get in somewhere (which I understand is what anyone wants at this point, trust me I know I've been there)!

scored an Interview here Tuesday (Sept 4) after I was complete around 8/28.

got rejected from Georgetown two days later after only a week of review.


pretty psyched for Brown though, transferred there as an undergrad. anyone else signed up for OCT 25 interview?

I understand that (perhaps) you'll have a limited frame of reference for this comparison, but, nevertheless, how do you think Brown compares to other schools when it comes to student happiness & well-being?

Do they follow suit with their undergrad stereotype
(read: more specifically as near/if not most laid back & liberal of the Ivies ;))?

[If you can only offer a point reference on what you have seen at Alpert alone, that is perfectly fine. :thumbup:]

Fantastic questions Blais. I can talk about my own experience at Brown and how I view the medical school and Brown University in general. My background is pretty conservative. I served in the US Military and I hold very conservative points of view on medical and social issues with my school being fully aware of how I feel. In my time at brown I have always been encouraged to share my point of view.

While it is true that Brown University undergraduate is probably one of the most liberal school in the country. But I don't really deal with the undergrads too much. Especially since the new med school building was inaugurated. The medical school is also fairly liberal, but not anywhere to the degree of the undergrad. My classmates are some of the most interesting and hardworking people I have every worked with. None of them ever give me the "ivyleaguiness" that people associate with the Ivys.

The medical school is very chill. The grading system makes it so. It also adds to the happiness factor at brown, which is SIGNIFICANT. Our med students are VERY happy for the most part. There are a couple that aren't happy but you will find that everywhere. I think a part of the reason everyone loves this place so much is what i have already emphasized before, "curriculum flexibility." Brown allows you to tailor your education to what you want to do. You still get the NBME basics but you are only limited by your drive and imagination as to where you will take your education.

Great questions guys. Keep them coming.

Fantastic questions Blais. I can talk about my own experience at Brown and how I view the medical school and Brown University in general. My background is pretty conservative. I served in the US Military and I hold very conservative points of view on medical and social issues with my school being fully aware of how I feel. In my time at brown I have always been encouraged to share my point of view.

While it is true that Brown University undergraduate is probably one of the most liberal school in the country. But I don't really deal with the undergrads too much. Especially since the new med school building was inaugurated. The medical school is also fairly liberal, but not anywhere to the degree of the undergrad. My classmates are some of the most interesting and hardworking people I have every worked with. None of them ever give me the "ivyleaguiness" that people associate with the Ivys.

The medical school is very chill. The grading system makes it so. It also adds to the happiness factor at brown, which is SIGNIFICANT. Our med students are VERY happy for the most part. There are a couple that aren't happy but you will find that everywhere. I think a part of the reason everyone loves this place so much is what i have already emphasized before, "curriculum flexibility." Brown allows you to tailor your education to what you want to do. You still get the NBME basics but you are only limited by your drive and imagination as to where you will take your education.

Great questions guys. Keep them coming.


Ditto on everything ayushman80 said bout the school. I personally am very much on the progressive side of the political spectrum and lived last year with a friend and fellow med student who is a libertarian and we had a fantastic time just chatting and debating (I feel that med school often attracts pragmatists and consensus builders so even when politics differ, everyone is willing to find common ground).

Also, people are authentically happy here and that was what brought me to Brown when I had to make a choice. The freedom and flexibility that ayushman80 mentions is absolutely a core facet of the school. As you can imagine, medical school gets busy simply because there is a wealth of material but it helps that you are in control of wide swaths of your time. I spent the late afternoon/early evening today out kayaking with a bunch of med students and I'll be spending some afternoons this fall teaching middle and high school kids how to sail. Last weekend a bunch of my friends and fellow classmates climbed Mt Washington and some even more intense buddies did a moonlit Presidential traverse in a little under 19hrs (9000 ft of elevation gain, 22 mile ridge hike along all of the presidential peaks in the white mountains up in NH). People also go to concerts, grab some drinks at the bars and go dancing (whether you prefer club dancing downtown or swing dancing to a live band on a waterfire night, there's something for everyone). Yes, it's med school, yes, it's hard work, but you can still enjoy yourself so long as you make good use of your time.

Aside from that, people get involved out in their community helping to teach school kids about nutrition through hands on gardening (I'm not involved in that but I did get to enjoy the fruits of their labor since they have so many tomatoes they're trying to get people to snag them before they go to waste). Others help run free clinics, lead electives, do research, lead non-profits, and put on musical performances in the hospitals and community.

Whatever you feel like doing, if you're passionate about it, you can can find a way to do it and often there's someone among the faculty who'd love to help you out.

And with that, happy Friday everyone. Hope you all get a chance to enjoy the weekend.

I appreciate the insight (and the cheerfulness!).

Some of the schools that I have interviewed at thus far felt kind of...restrictive when it came to their approach to medical education. One actually emphasized that I have "too many interests" which "reach beyond medicine" (i.e. writing, policy, teaching, the arts, etc) and that I should strive to concentrate "only on course material"... It was def a major turnoff.

Brown really has struck my interest: more flexible curriculum, pleasant school environment, desirable location... it sounds like a really great school and a glove-like fit for me.

(now if I can only convince my interviewers to agree with the latter part ;))!

It is unfortunate that you had a bad experience. Hopefully Brown will be to your linking when you visit.

Interviewing here on 10/5. Needless to say, I'm SO PUMPED! Love what I'm seeing here. Not sure if I just missed it or something (I'm reading on my phone right now) but is brown pass/fail?

Interviewing here on 10/5. Needless to say, I'm SO PUMPED! Love what I'm seeing here. Not sure if I just missed it or something (I'm reading on my phone right now) but is brown pass/fail?

Congrats!!! Interviewing here 10/4 so I'll warm 'em up for ya

Aw, thanks, man. Lol I scheduled Hofstra for 10/3 and Brown for 10/5.... then my syllabi came out and I have both a Thermodynamics and a Biochem midterm on the 4th... so I'll be havin a crazy time while you're interviewing!!!

Interviewing here on 10/5. Needless to say, I'm SO PUMPED! Love what I'm seeing here. Not sure if I just missed it or something (I'm reading on my phone right now) but is brown pass/fail?

Pass/fail first semester and then honors/pass/fail from then onwards. Honors is based purely on your own personal score, i.e a 90% or above for a block is honoring.

Aw, thanks, man. Lol I scheduled Hofstra for 10/3 and Brown for 10/5.... then my syllabi came out and I have both a Thermodynamics and a Biochem midterm on the 4th... so I'll be havin a crazy time while you're interviewing!!!

Yeah I'm missing a biochem exam for this interview. My teacher gave me dates for exams before school started then changed them :( O well it's not like grades will matter this year as much as previous years...

Thanks Iorek...will add "moonlit Presidential traverse" to list of reasons to attend Brown haha. Also, what do you think of the Golden Compass film adaptation? :-) (i'm a huge fan of HDM)

Thanks Iorek...will add "moonlit Presidential traverse" to list of reasons to attend Brown haha. Also, what do you think of the Golden Compass film adaptation? :-) (i'm a huge fan of HDM)



Happy to oblige! Not too fond of the film; some series are better left as words on a page, a fluid blueprint for the imagination rather than a rigid construct interpreted for you on the big-screen.

Also, just a heads up. I'm going dark for a couple days while I prep for a cardio exam on Monday so I apologize if anyone has any questions for me in the meantime. I think however you guys and gals are all set between helping each other out and having ayushman80 and other awesome, much wiser than myself, brown med students around.

II today! First one of the season! November 1st...super excited!

II today! First one of the season! November 1st...super excited!

Congrats!

II yesterday! Complete 8/21. 3.75/38R.

II yesterday! Complete 8/21. 3.75/38R.
Congrats imcconn! I'm sure you are going to really like Brown! You have some pretty outstanding scores.

But I don't want the others on this forum to feel intimidated that Brown will only look at scores. Your application is looked as a whole and there comes a point, which I am sure that imcconn also met, where your maturity and ideals weigh more heavily than numbers for offering interview invites.

Do you guys have any questions about the admissions/interview process?

Congrats imcconn! I'm sure you are going to really like Brown! You have some pretty outstanding scores.

But I don't want the others on this forum to feel intimidated that Brown will only look at scores. Your application is looked as a whole and there comes a point, which I am sure that imcconn also met, where your maturity and ideals weigh more heavily than numbers for offering interview invites.

Do you guys have any questions about the admissions/interview process?

Sure... do you know if Brown will start offering acceptances on October 15th? Do you know what lunch typically is on interview day (i.e. cafeteria, catered, etc)?

Congrats imcconn! I'm sure you are going to really like Brown! You have some pretty outstanding scores.

But I don't want the others on this forum to feel intimidated that Brown will only look at scores. Your application is looked as a whole and there comes a point, which I am sure that imcconn also met, where your maturity and ideals weigh more heavily than numbers for offering interview invites.

Do you guys have any questions about the admissions/interview process?

I really love what I've learned about Brown and I hope very much to receive an interview there...is there anything I can do to increase my likelihood of getting an interview apart from sending letters of interest? My stats are decent but not necessarily good enough to make me stand out (33/~3.75) in Brown's applicant pool, but I think my "maturity and ideals" would be a great fit!

Also, I submitted my secondary way back in mid July...does that mean I'm likely on hold or have been passed over by now?

Thank you so much for taking time to come on SDN and answer our pesky, neurotic questions! :)

I really love what I've learned about Brown and I hope very much to receive an interview there...is there anything I can do to increase my likelihood of getting an interview apart from sending letters of interest? My stats are decent but not necessarily good enough to make me stand out (33/~3.75) in Brown's applicant pool, but I think my "maturity and ideals" would be a great fit!

Also, I submitted my secondary way back in mid July...does that mean I'm likely on hold or have been passed over by now?

Thank you so much for taking time to come on SDN and answer our pesky, neurotic questions! :)

After reading your mdapps, I just wanted to give you a :thumbup: for what appears to be a strong comeback this cycle over last year's.

:thumbup:

My stats are decent but not necessarily good enough to make me stand out (33/~3.75) in Brown's applicant pool, but I think my "maturity and ideals" would be a great fit!

I'd say just keep expressing how well you would fit in and how enthusiastic you are in your update letters. I have slightly worse stats (33R/3.65) and got an II, so Brown's "holistic review" claim is definitely not BS. There's hope!

After reading your mdapps, I just wanted to give you a :thumbup: for what appears to be a strong comeback this cycle over last year's.

:thumbup:

I'd say just keep expressing how well you would fit in and how enthusiastic you are in your update letters. I have slightly worse stats (33R/3.65) and got an II, so Brown's "holistic review" claim is definitely not BS. There's hope!

Aww, thanks guys! I love those rare occasions when SDN can actually make you feel better about yourself. :-)

Brown truly does a holistic review in that once you clear the numbers hurdles we're more interested in who you are than making decisions on people via X > Y b/c 39Q > 34P logic. That being said, I fully recognize that this makes the process a bit more stressful at Brown specifically, because it's hard to know what about yourself really makes you shine. The following post is not meant to stress, merely to help those who are able to read it in light of the record number of applications we've received this year (2500 and counting, last I checked).

Being on the other side of the process, I can truly say that the biggest thing to get an interview this year is to figure out how to make yourself interesting. If you don't have the kind of GPA or MCAT to make people sit up and pay attention (which most in the pool don't, and *that's just fine*), make sure your personal statement singles you out. Read it as a disinterested third party, would *you* want to meet the person described? Call out interesting life experiences, interesting research. If you met someone at a cocktail party or were meeting someone at a random party, what would make them think you're different, interesting, and someone they want to talk to?

As far as a letter of interest goes, *if you write one,* that would be a clear place to make your point again. And if you haven't already made it clear, what is it specifically that makes you interested in Brown? We accept a relatively high proportion of the people we interview, so in some ways we already want to know that there's a reasonable chance you'll attend if you get an interview. Do you have friends or family in the area? Do you love Providence (and why)? Is it something about our curriculum (hint, special concentrations are available lots of schools, talking only about those does not do as much to single you out as you would think), our student body, or the opportunities you'll have while here?

Brown truly does a holistic review in that once you clear the numbers hurdles we're more interested in who you are than making decisions on people via X > Y b/c 39Q > 34P logic. That being said, I fully recognize that this makes the process a bit more stressful at Brown specifically, because it's hard to know what about yourself really makes you shine. The following post is not meant to stress, merely to help those who are able to read it in light of the record number of applications we've received this year (2500 and counting, last I checked).

Being on the other side of the process, I can truly say that the biggest thing to get an interview this year is to figure out how to make yourself interesting. If you don't have the kind of GPA or MCAT to make people sit up and pay attention (which most in the pool don't, and *that's just fine*), make sure your personal statement singles you out. Read it as a disinterested third party, would *you* want to meet the person described? Call out interesting life experiences, interesting research. If you met someone at a cocktail party or were meeting someone at a random party, what would make them think you're different, interesting, and someone they want to talk to?

As far as a letter of interest goes, *if you write one,* that would be a clear place to make your point again. And if you haven't already made it clear, what is it specifically that makes you interested in Brown? We accept a relatively high proportion of the people we interview, so in some ways we already want to know that there's a reasonable chance you'll attend if you get an interview. Do you have friends or family in the area? Do you love Providence (and why)? Is it something about our curriculum (hint, special concentrations are available lots of schools, talking only about those does not do as much to single you out as you would think), our student body, or the opportunities you'll have while here?

Thank you so much!!!! I'm going to write a letter of interest soon, so this information is incredibly helpful! I think I can make a good case for myself, but I hope it's enough considering there are probably hundreds (if not thousands) of other Brown applicants who are going to do the same thing. Ah well, what will be will be I suppose!

Sure... do you know if Brown will start offering acceptances on October 15th? Do you know what lunch typically is on interview day (i.e. cafeteria, catered, etc)?

Acceptance/waitlist/rejection decisions are generally offered a month after interviews take place. This has been the trend in the past. The admissions committee is very good about doing this in a timely fashion.

The typical interview day has changed from when I interviewed (new building and all). Lunch is definitely provided and will most likely be catered. Brown definitely likes to take care of its applicants. We want to impress you just as much as you want to impress us. And this continues into the medical school years.

On your interviews you guys should pay close attention to how the school faculty and administrations treat you on interview day. It is definitely foretelling of what is to come.

You will be handed out your individual schedules when you get here that morning. We usually get done with the day around 3-5 PM or so depending on various factors. Oh! One more request from me.

If you guys would please fill out the Interview Impressions/reviews forum for Brown on SDN that would be great! Its super helpful to future applicants.

I really love what I've learned about Brown and I hope very much to receive an interview there...is there anything I can do to increase my likelihood of getting an interview apart from sending letters of interest? My stats are decent but not necessarily good enough to make me stand out (33/~3.75) in Brown's applicant pool, but I think my "maturity and ideals" would be a great fit!

Also, I submitted my secondary way back in mid July...does that mean I'm likely on hold or have been passed over by now?

Thank you so much for taking time to come on SDN and answer our pesky, neurotic questions! :)

Oops! I didn't read aleopathic's post. Totally agree.

Sure... do you know if Brown will start offering acceptances on October 15th? Do you know what lunch typically is on interview day (i.e. cafeteria, catered, etc)?

In the past the admissions committee has met 4 times over the course of the year, so acceptances/waitlists/rejections for interviewed applicants come out in 4 batches. Exact dates have not been set, but expect batches in early November, mid December, late Jan, and early March.

*note* this schedule is only for those awaiting a decision from an interview

Amazing. As I'm talking with admissions faculty and reading different things, it's great to realize that they really are just people looking for PEOPLE. It sounds silly. But you know, from the time you're a wee freshmen up until application time, you sort of have this fear of the big bad admissions committees. But everyone is so holistic and nice and inspiring!

Love it.

So excited for the Brown interview. If we interview before 10/15 should we expect an admissions decision in that first batch? For example.... let's say hypothetically a student was interviewing on, I don't know, 10/10?

Amazing. As I'm talking with admissions faculty and reading different things, it's great to realize that they really are just people looking for PEOPLE. It sounds silly. But you know, from the time you're a wee freshmen up until application time, you sort of have this fear of the big bad admissions committees. But everyone is so holistic and nice and inspiring!

Love it.

So excited for the Brown interview. If we interview before 10/15 should we expect an admissions decision in that first batch? For example.... let's say hypothetically a student was interviewing on, I don't know, 10/10?

Like aleopathic stated, the adcom meets at certain times. In the past this has generally fallen at times so that you get your decision 1 month after you interview (give or take a few days). I am not sure when the exact dates of the meetings will be this year.

Amazing. As I'm talking with admissions faculty and reading different things, it's great to realize that they really are just people looking for PEOPLE. It sounds silly. But you know, from the time you're a wee freshmen up until application time, you sort of have this fear of the big bad admissions committees. But everyone is so holistic and nice and inspiring!

Love it.

So excited for the Brown interview. If we interview before 10/15 should we expect an admissions decision in that first batch? For example.... let's say hypothetically a student was interviewing on, I don't know, 10/10?

Yes

Amazing. As I'm talking with admissions faculty and reading different things, it's great to realize that they really are just people looking for PEOPLE. It sounds silly. But you know, from the time you're a wee freshmen up until application time, you sort of have this fear of the big bad admissions committees. But everyone is so holistic and nice and inspiring!

Love it.

So excited for the Brown interview. If we interview before 10/15 should we expect an admissions decision in that first batch? For example.... let's say hypothetically a student was interviewing on, I don't know, 10/10?

On your interview day, Barbara (the admissions guru) will tell you the exact date when you will receive your decision. It should be 4-6 weeks after your interview.

Just and our 2nd batch of interviewers stop by today. If any SDNers were on there, hope you guys liked what you saw/heard at Brown. Would you guys please fill out the interview feedback for our school!? Its helpful to get that feedback!

Ahhh I'm so excited for this interview!!!!!!! Hope it went well for all who interviewed today (but not too well so you leave a spot for me :) )

Did someone say earlier that Brown accepts ~70% of interviewees?

Yes - last year, they accepted 220 of 291 interviewees (76%).

Yes - last year, they accepted 220 of 291 interviewees (76%).
That sounds about right. We are very selective in who we invite but generally accept a good portion of our interviewees.

That sounds about right. We are very selective in who we invite but generally accept a good portion of our interviewees.

Does that include PLUME students or just applicants through the AMCAS route?

Does that include PLUME students or just applicants through the AMCAS route?

If it did include PLUME students do you think this would bring % up higher than it would be for just AMCAS applicants?

PLME students are accepted 4 years early through Brown's undergraduate admissions office. Our office has nothing to do with them.

That sounds about right. We are very selective in who we invite but generally accept a good portion of our interviewees.
I'm liking those odds, especially after interviewing at Georgetown where they interview 1200 applicants!

I really want to interview here. I am in-state and would love to stay in Lil' Rhody.

By the by, what are the interview/acceptance numbers like for in-staters? I read on an old MSAR that one cycle 11 interviewed and 8 matriculated, which is just, pure, awesome.

I really want to interview here. I am in-state and would love to stay in Lil' Rhody.

By the by, what are the interview/acceptance numbers like for in-staters? I read on an old MSAR that one cycle 11 interviewed and 8 matriculated, which is just, pure, awesome.

Not to be a buzz kill but 8 out of 11 is 73% which is lower than the posted 77% for all interviewees. That is just to say they love us OOSers just as much as you guys :)

Anyone signed up for the OCT 25 Interview?

I got my Interview back at the beginning of september after only being complete for like a week

3.49/3.38/36Q In-State

Not to be a buzz kill but 8 out of 11 is 73% which is lower than the posted 77% for all interviewees. That is just to say they love us OOSers just as much as you guys :)


Wow, Brown really likes to select interviews carefully I guess. Well good luck to us all.

Interviewing in a week and so excited for this one!!! Good luck everyone!

I'm so pumped for this interview! I'll be there next Friday. One of my top choices, so I'm praying it goes well!

I'm so pumped for this interview! I'll be there next Friday. One of my top choices, so I'm praying it goes well!
+1

Has anyone who has already interviewed have any feedback?

Hours after receiving one interview, I just got rejected from Brown. Sad :(. It was definitely a school I really liked and would have strongly considered going to. Oh well, can't win them all. Best of luck to everyone else. :thumbup:

Just rejected. I heard so many good things & was pretty excited about Brown. Sad face.

Just rejected. I heard so many good things & was pretty excited about Brown. Sad face.
Aw, I was just rejected too, rachelkj! :( I was getting so pumped about their writing concentration!

For the curious, I was complete way back in July. 34S, 3.6 sci/3.7 cum.

Hours after receiving one interview, I just got rejected from Brown. Sad :(. It was definitely a school I really liked and would have strongly considered going to. Oh well, can't win them all. Best of luck to everyone else. :thumbup:

Just got my rejection as well. It's a shame, but there are other schools out there.

Just got the big R here as well. Bummer :( Oh well, I'm glad to hear something haha

Hours after receiving one interview, I just got rejected from Brown. Sad :(. It was definitely a school I really liked and would have strongly considered going to. Oh well, can't win them all. Best of luck to everyone else. :thumbup:

Just rejected. I heard so many good things & was pretty excited about Brown. Sad face.

Just got my rejection as well. It's a shame, but there are other schools out there.

Aww sorry guys! :( Looking at your MDApps, you are all strong applicants...further proof that this process doesn't always make sense. Well, I'm sure you'll all make it in somewhere!

Just out of curiosity, did you find out via email? And this was pre-interview for you guys right?

Rejected.... C 7/12. Oh well, I expecfted as much.

Rejection here too. Wish everyone the best of luck!

Got the axe. No biggie. I hope everyone else has better luck! :D

Yeah, complete but pre-interview. Rejected via email.

Rejected, complete 8/10.

complete 7/13 here and no rejection yet…I feel like I'm on the chopping block with the kings justice standing over me with an axe..just put me out of my misery

Just out of curiosity, did you find out via email? And this was pre-interview for you guys right?

Yeah, it was a pre-interview rejection email.

Stats 3.66|3.63|34Q

complete 7/13 here and no rejection yet…I feel like I'm on the chopping block with the kings justice standing over me with an axe..just put me out of my misery

I too feel axe analogies are appropriate. Right now i feel like every email coming into my inbox is a Brown rejection haha. Deep breaths, deep breaths!

:luck: to everyone!

Just got the rejection :(

rejected. boom.

+1 for the rejection train.

Dang, sounds like they're doing a pretty big cull.

rejected as well.
second rejection today...

+1 on the rejection front. Oh well, there are other fish in the sea and I was pretty much expecting this.

Rejected. 3.96/35Q. Pre-interview, complete 7/17

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Rejection. 3.62c/3.82s/34/amazing ec's/oos

+1 for the rejection train

Thanks for the birthday present, Brown! :(

when were you guys complete?

+1 for the rejection train. Oh well gotta make the interviews I have count! :xf:

Rejected: 39, 3.9, pretty good amount of research and volunteering, decent LORs (I think).

Rejection. 3.62c/3.82s/34/amazing ec's/oos

Lol "amazing" Ecs? What did you do, give 3rd world homosexuals vaccines while skydiving?

Just kidding man....I was rejected too :-/ I know Brown is WICKED selective on who they choose to interview, so I hope none of us beat ourselves up :-)

rejected today as well, first one :(....gpa 3.97, mcat 35P

IInnnnnteeerrviie.... o rejection, nvrmind :wtf:

Rejected today....didn't really expect much from Alpert

Rejected today....didn't really expect much from Alpert
+1 complete 8/16

I'm guessing they are rejecting out of order of date completed, since I was complete mid July and havent heard anything and seen far superior applicants to me get rejected

Rejected as well :(

Rejected today, complete 7/14. They really made me wait =[

Rejected today too. Sad about it but not surprised.

Wow, many people received bad news today. Best wishes to each of you going forward!

For those that are curious, here is my interview day feedback/opinions on the experience...

First, let me qualify my little anecdote by noting that this was my 7th interview, so I am lucky enough to have a reasonable sample size to base my comparisons/conclusions. :)

I might as well get my thesis out there now: Brown was the best interview day/experience so far this cycle, IMO. (And it might hold the title permanently!)

Okay, now for details...

Day begins similarly to most interview days (i.e. everyone gathers in a meeting/conference room). However, that is where a lot of the similarities end... Barbara Fuller and Melissa Whiteley have to be two of the nicest/friendliest/down to earth admissions folk that I have crossed thus far on the trail. Do not be surprised when Barbara starts reciting random facts about you right off the bat off the top of her head ("Oh, Blais, it's nice to finally meet you! How's everything going over in XYZ city? Still working on the ABC 123?")... I was kind of shocked really. The only people that took the time to learn about me at my other interviews were my actual interviewers... Brown takes things a step further.

The information session is an improvement over the others I have attended. While the material is similar (admissions procedures/fin aid/etc), the manner in which the material is presented is quite different. Instead of everyone sitting and coldly listening for 1-2 hours to a very boring speaker put everyone to sleep, Barbara/Melissa/et al. were jovial, upbeat, engaging, and...sometimes almost risqué with their jokes. :D

The tour of the facility was in a temporal sweet spot -- not too long, not too short. We saw what we needed to see and learned what we needed to learn. Basically that the facility is near-perfection aesthetically-speaking, and has all the cool space and gadgets that we'll benefit from during pre-clinical years.

It goes without needing said that the curriculum/concentrations/research opportunities are fantastic.

Lunch was very cool. Some of my prior interview days only had one or two med students attend the lunch session (while others did have several attend). Brown had a handful come and go throughout lunch, but the key takeaway is that I didn't sense any, for a lack of a better word, "BS", coming from them about their opinions of Brown. For example, when talking to students at Duke, one showed hesitation before answering my questions (as if the person was being careful to tailor the answer to paint Duke's portrait in the best light possible) -- other Duke students kept telling us that first year is very intense and that there won't be much time for anything else, but again with hesitation. Brown's students seemed much more laid-back, relaxed, open, and frank.

The actual interviews. Well everyone has different people for the most part. I, personally, had one with a pediatrician (Brown provides the shuttle to/from the hospital) and one with a 4th year student. I have a bit to say about these interviews... First, the physician interviewer was a great guy. He wasn't out to grill me on my EC's or research (here's looking at you, Pitt :cool:) and he actually looked like he wanted to be there interviewing me (here's looking at you, WVU). We had a great discussion both about myself and about himself. He gave me the opportunity to lead the conversation instead of him just reading question after question after question from a piece of paper (here's looking at you, Rochester). It was a very good experience and he seemed like the type of guy that you would want as a mentor in med school.

I was then shuttled back to the medical school and had my second interview with a 4th year student. This guy was awesome! I don't know if it was because he was a 4th year with more experience, or what, but he seemed much more collected, skilled and well-spoken than student-interviewers that I have met with at other schools. I told him my goals for medical school and he told me his goals for residency (he is applying ENT). Again, we had an open conversation and he seemed very comfortable (which is important, as the interviewee, it is unnerving to have an interviewer that seems anxious) HECK, he even gave me an impromptu tutorial about a procedure for singers with a particular vocal cord injury. Just like that lol. It was just plain cool. Another very thoughtful move on the 4th year's part was not simply inquiring about me, but also offering me advice for the future. We talked about marriage in med school (he is married; I am engaged) and he offered : SUPPORT! When I mentioned my fiance at my Oakland interview, the only input the interviewer had was "Ah, yea, med school is hard on relationships. [Next topic]" The 4th year student offered guidance and support on how he handled marriage/having a child during school. It was like night and day from other schools. He also offered comforting insight into the culture of Brown's medical school. You may know that Brown is largely stereotyped as the "most liberal" of the ivy's. As a moderately conservative person myself, I was curious if I would stand out like a black sheep among the students. The 4th year assured me that not only was he, himself, conservative -- but, the med school encourages the diversity in opinions as it grants for much richer debates and a wider class-wide perspective on issues. As our time ended, the 4th year was sure to direct me to some awesome local food joints - just another instance of actual interviewer personality. A big takeaway is that this guy was a "product" that represented what Brown helps build: well-rounded, down to earth, talented and intelligent physicians. A very positive indicator if it is something you're aspiring towards ;) .

Going a little bit more macro, Providence is a pretty awesome city. I spent the majority of my time walking around and exploring downtown, the knowledge district and college hill. It's an aesthetically pleasing environment from an architectural standpoint, also the foliage is a definite plus, too. There is tons of theater events and a lot of outdoor/community activities. Looking at rent prices, things were very reasonable (especially compared to Boston!)

In summation, I think that Brown is the total and complete package. From the schools that I visited thus far, [while all are good/great institutions, fundamentally] each had some sort of glaring downside here or there, IMO (whether it be that the school maintains a "so/so reputation" or pressures you into a certain specialty track or whether it be that you have to live in Durham :meanie: ). On the other hand, I couldn't find anything that I didn't like about Brown: the facility, the location, the curriculum, the people, the culture. They are a complete package.

Here's to adcom decisions! :xf::):xf:

EDIT: I feel that I should offer at least one downside to the day, right? It only came to me after writing up this review. I wish the interviews were longer. They are supposed to be 30 min each. Mine went around 30-40 minutes. It would have been even better if we could have had the full hour for each interview. But, with time constraints, busy physicians/busy students... Gotta compromise.

Wow! Sounds truly amazing. Best of luck to you, and I hope you get accepted:luck:

I managed to dodge a rejection today, but we'll see...

rejected. stats in mdapps.

Hey guys, for all those who did not get invited to interview I would like to take the time out to thank you for your guys' interest in Brown. We are very lucky to be so liked by so many students! Please understand that though, this process seems like a little random, there is a method to the madness. We just want to find the people who will really fit our student body. This includes a guessing game on our part. A big part of that guessing game is asking ourselves, "Will this person come here if accepted?". Many things go into this decision. The place where you can really make a case for yourself is the SECONDARY APPLICATION.

For the guys who are still wiating on invites, keep your hopes up! We are working through a deluge of applications this year:)

Hey guys, for all those who did not get invited to interview I would like to take the time out to thank you for your guys' interest in Brown. We are very lucky to be so liked by so many students! Please understand that though, this process seems like a little random, there is a method to the madness. We just want to find the people who will really fit our student body. This includes a guessing game on our part. A big part of that guessing game is asking ourselves, "Will this person come here if accepted?". Many things go into this decision. The place where you can really make a case for yourself is the SECONDARY APPLICATION.

For the guys who are still wiating on invites, keep your hopes up! We are working through a deluge of applications this year:)

Do you know how good of a sign it is if we survived yesterday's cut? I was complete in late July, so I'm hoping that I might be close to an interview invitation. I'm going to send in a LOI soon; I really love everything I've learned about Brown, and everything you guys have told us!

Can you send additional letters of recommendation to brown after you submit your secondary?

Wow thanks for that awesome summary of the interview day Blais (didn't quote it because it takes up a page :) ) seriously it made me SOOO excited to interview this week!!! How was getting to and from the airport? Also, did they give you a timeline for hearing back? How did you feel about COA compared to your other interviews? (congrats on those btw) Here's to hoping we both are in the 77%!

can someone post the link to where you can check your app status

can someone post the link to where you can check your app status

https://admissions.med.brown.edu

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Sorry to hear about all of the rejections. As you all already know, Brown does most of its cuts at the pre-interview stage. Best of luck to everyone as you make the circuit around other medical schools. Here's some general advice and things that I think are good to know about any school your considering.

A) Always arrange to stay with med students the night before your interview unless of course you have really specific sleep needs (can't sleep on a couch, very light sleeper). Staying with med students gives you the chance to ask candid questions, get to know the school from their personal perspective, and lets you gauge how stressed, relaxed, confident, or friendly the student body is (remember though that even in very small med school classes you're always going to have a very wide range of personalities). It's also nice though since interviewers will often start small chat up with asking you where you're staying and if you bring up your hosts, (especially if you think they've been good hosts), it helps to ease a little more into the conversation.

B) Look for a collaborative/cooperative atmosphere. No one gets through this experience alone. I'm normally an extremely independent studier and I can't tell you the number of times I've been saved from obtuse subject matter by studying histo slide decks and other study materials distributed by amazing classmates.

C) If there is something that you deeply care about and helped you to make it to this point with your overall well-being intact, make sure that you'll be able to keep up with it in some shape or form. For many of my colleagues, myself included, that's music. For others it's sports (intramurals are always a good time). Figure out what it is to you and keep it up even if you have to do so on a more limited scale.

If you haven't gotten a rejection letter yet then you are still in the running. An LOI maybe something you want to look into. My advice would be to make the LOI truly show 1) Your interest specifically in Brown 2) What you can add to Brown. The caveat is not to repeat your amcas application. If you have specific questions about how you might be able to contribute to Brown or how we can further your career, then by all means message any one of the med students on this forum.

I'm surprised I haven't been rejected yet lol

I, too, wonder this. Ayushman80, would you be able to provide any insights here? :)

The admissions committee will be meeting on Thursday Nov 1, Dec 6, Jan 17, and Feb 28. Expect an answer within 2-3 days of whichever meeting is immediately following your interview.

Wow thanks for that awesome summary of the interview day Blais (didn't quote it because it takes up a page :) ) seriously it made me SOOO excited to interview this week!!! How was getting to and from the airport? Also, did they give you a timeline for hearing back? How did you feel about COA compared to your other interviews? (congrats on those btw) Here's to hoping we both are in the 77%!

In terms of COA, I would strongly advise you to wait until you get aid packages to even think about this. Need-based and merit-based aid are available pretty much everywhere (yes, even at the 'need-based only schools) and will drastically change the numbers. Unless you go to Tufts (kidding, mostly...).

If you haven't gotten a rejection letter yet then you are still in the running. An LOI maybe something you want to look into. My advice would be to make the LOI truly show 1) Your interest specifically in Brown 2) What you can add to Brown. The caveat is not to repeat your amcas application. If you have specific questions about how you might be able to contribute to Brown or how we can further your career, then by all means message any one of the med students on this forum.

I would also emphasize that if you are not truly considering Brown as one of you top choices (top 3 or higher), a LOI is a waste of your and everyone else's time (as well as somewhat disingenuous). If you're still in the running at Brown, you *will* get into medical school somewhere, so don't write a LOI trying to add on an interview here as just another notch in the seasonal belt. The people here love it here, and the people who truly want to be here are pretty obvious in an interview (as are the occasional interviewees for whom this is just another school on the trail).

Can't wait to meet some more of you this week :)

Hi there. I guess this is a somewhat more general question but what have Brown medical students been doing (at least this year that you know of) during the breaks? Is it more research oriented or international services?

Wow, so many of these amazing applicants with high stats are getting rejected. I am sure you guys are going to get into some amazing schools.

I was complete on 8/28, so I will be rejected as well in a week or two. Low mcat, decent, GPA, good ECs. :(

I would also emphasize that if you are not truly considering Brown as one of you top choices (top 3 or higher), a LOI is a waste of your and everyone else's time (as well as somewhat disingenuous). If you're still in the running at Brown, you *will* get into medical school somewhere, so don't write a LOI trying to add on an interview here as just another notch in the seasonal belt. The people here love it here, and the people who truly want to be here are pretty obvious in an interview (as are the occasional interviewees for whom this is just another school on the trail).

Can't wait to meet some more of you this week :)

I somehow survived this wave of rejections from Brown, but there is a strong chance that i will not get into medical school this year.

I somehow survived this wave of rejections from Brown, but there is a strong chance that i will not get into medical school this year.

If you say so.

If you say so.

I just mean to ask, how important really was it that if an applicant did not get rejected this time around? Won't there be many more cuts? Based on what I've heard, read about, and seen at Brown myself, I love the school, atmosphere and everything about it. But at the same time, I'm below their averages in every category (in terms of stats), and I'm finding it hard to believe that I would even stand a chance at a school such as Brown.

I just mean to ask, how important really was it that if an applicant did not get rejected this time around? Won't there be many more cuts? Based on what I've heard, read about, and seen at Brown myself, I love the school, atmosphere and everything about it. But at the same time, I'm below their averages in every category (in terms of stats), and I'm finding it hard to believe that I would even stand a chance at a school such as Brown.

Assuming an applicant has been complete long enough to have been read (ymmv) if he/she didn't get a rejection this wave that probably means the app is on a pre-interview hold, meaning it sparked enough interest to keep around but not to offer an immediate interview to. Chances are if it sparked interest here, it will elsewhere too. The season is young.

Assuming an applicant has been complete long enough to have been read (ymmv) if he/she didn't get a rejection this wave that probably means the app is on a pre-interview hold, meaning it sparked enough interest to keep around but not to offer an immediate interview to. Chances are if it sparked interest here, it will elsewhere too. The season is young.

How long would you consider is long enough to have one's application read?

Assuming an applicant has been complete long enough to have been read (ymmv) if he/she didn't get a rejection this wave that probably means the app is on a pre-interview hold, meaning it sparked enough interest to keep around but not to offer an immediate interview to. Chances are if it sparked interest here, it will elsewhere too. The season is young.

I was complete 8/20. If I'm still in the running, I'd be shocked and honored and send an LOI. It'd be great. :cool:

It seems some people have had excellent turn-around times. I submitted my secondary on 9/7 (there is no complete email right?), and haven't heard back. I shouldn't be worried right?

I'm a 'Lil Rhody resident, so Brown is way high on the list :)

I just cannot read up on the school's site without getting super excited for the interview. The whole curriculum is amazing. And the electives? Playwriting and Medicine? Intro to Surgery? are you kidding me? THIS SCHOOL LOOKS AMAZING.

It seems some people have had excellent turn-around times. I submitted my secondary on 9/7 (there is no complete email right?), and haven't heard back. I shouldn't be worried right?

I'm a 'Lil Rhody resident, so Brown is way high on the list :)



I am sure that you will be fine. I am a fellow res of RI and have odd stats (i guess I am non-trad). low GPA decent MCAT and like you a masters and I got an II. hold out hope, I think Brown, like undergrad, really does care about your fit, so as long as you made yourself interesting and not cookie-cutter in the essays I am sure you are fine.

Is there any way to update Brown other than snail mail? I emailed the admissions office but didn't get a response.

I just cannot read up on the school's site without getting super excited for the interview. The whole curriculum is amazing. And the electives? Playwriting and Medicine? Intro to Surgery? are you kidding me? THIS SCHOOL LOOKS AMAZING.

I actually just looked through those this morning. I WANT TO GO HERE SO BAD. Hopefully I can convey that during my interview!

Is there any way to update Brown other than snail mail? I emailed the admissions office but didn't get a response.

+1 i sent an email a couple of days ago and haven't gotten a response

I actually just looked through those this morning. I WANT TO GO HERE SO BAD. Hopefully I can convey that during my interview!

Seconded. What about "Wilderness Medicine"? SO COOL. I work with a lot of Brown profs (attendings at Rhode Island Hospital) and they're all super nice, interesting, and wicked smart. I would do anything to get in here! Sending in my LOI today and trying to meet with as many Brown docs as possible!

So excited to interview here tomorrow! I've been trying to think of the perfect combination of begging them to let me in because Brown is so awesome and playing it cool.. Pretty sure the first option will come will come the most naturally but I don't want to act desperate haha

Or should I just profess my love all out?

So excited to interview here tomorrow! I've been trying to think of the perfect combination of begging them to let me in because Brown is so awesome and playing it cool.. Pretty sure the first option will come will come the most naturally but I don't want to act desperate haha

Or should I just profess my love all out?

In your position I would profess my undying love for Brown, falling to my knees in passionate supplication with desperate tears streaming down my face as I offer the sacrifice of my firstborn child and the eternal gratitude of myself and my descendants who will swear by blood oath their allegiance to the venerable Alpert Medical School of Brown University. Shucks, I hope that doesn't sound desperate! ;-)

In any case, after your interview don't forget to hop on here to let us know how it goes! Good luck! :luck:

so excited to interview here tomorrow! I've been trying to think of the perfect combination of begging them to let me in because brown is so awesome and playing it cool.. Pretty sure the first option will come will come the most naturally but i don't want to act desperate haha

or should i just profess my love all out?

lol!!

In your position I would profess my undying love for Brown, falling to my knees in passionate supplication with desperate tears streaming down my face as I offer the sacrifice of my firstborn child and the eternal gratitude of myself and my descendants who will swear by blood oath their allegiance to the venerable Alpert Medical School of Brown University. Shucks, I hope that doesn't sound desperate! ;-)

In any case, after your interview don't forget to hop on here to let us know how it goes! Good luck! :luck:
First born child maybe a bit much, blood oath should be good enough! LMAO!

WRNI put up this story about a couple MS2s at Alpert: http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wrni/news.newsmain/article/7035/0/1947228/Healthcare/Future.Docs.We.take.a.year.long.journey.with.them

Has anyone been able to email an update letter, or do that absolutely insist that it be mailed?

Has anyone been able to email an update letter, or do that absolutely insist that it be mailed?

I called the office before I sent mine, asking if it was ok to email a pdf of my letter, and she welcomingly said of course! But since I sent it, I haven't gotten any response. So...I don't know.

I called the office before I sent mine, asking if it was ok to email a pdf of my letter, and she welcomingly said of course! But since I sent it, I haven't gotten any response. So...I don't know.

At least for post interview letters, I think it's just about always better to start off with a physical letter since it's a tad more formal and takes more effort (if they continue the correspondence over e-mail than I would oblige them by responding in kind). For pre-interview though I have no idea since they might prefer electronic correspondence simply because it doesn't pile up.

Been out of town for a while... came back to see a lot of the axe going around.

Sorry guys (totally not sure how I am surviving the axe at some places)

Been out of town for a while... came back to see a lot of the axe going around.

Sorry guys (totally not sure how I am surviving the axe at some places)

I already posted this in the Cornell thread (I got the axe there), but this captures my feelings about not being cut from Brown last Friday:

http://i.nahraj.to/f/66F.gif

Good luck to everyone interviewing today! Let us know how it went!

when does the next batch of decisions come out?

The admissions committee will be meeting on Thursday Nov 1, Dec 6, Jan 17, and Feb 28. Expect an answer within 2-3 days of whichever meeting is immediately following your interview.

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Could someone be so kind as to post the address in which we could send a letter of interest to Brown? thanky ou!

Good luck to everyone interviewing today! Let us know how it went!

On a layover on my way back home from the interview, and I all I can say right now is "Wow."

I'll give the full details later but what an absolutely AMAZING day. They work really hard to make the day FUN and to make you feel welcome. I have never met happier med students. Brown is now definitely firmly at the top of my list after this. The admissions committee makes the whole day an experience and definitely succeed.

Overall, just wow brown... wow

And to those that got rejected, someone on the adcom expressed how they wished they could interview so many more applicants but end having to turn away so many qualified people, so they try to focus mostly on fit and the Brown community

Could someone be so kind as to post the address in which we could send a letter of interest to Brown? thanky ou!

According to the website, correspondance can be sent to:

The Warren Alpert Medical School of Brown University
222 Richmond Street, 1st Floor
Box G-M
Providence, RI 02912