Anyone From Somalia?

Hay what's up Mo007 My names Mohammed Kulmiye and I live in E-Town I'm currently attending Concorida University of Alberta, where I'm completing my first year studies in Biochemistry.

Peace:

Hey Mohamed, pm me. This is a private feature in the "User CP" at the top of the page.

Actually I will do it, and respond if you can.

Mohamed

Sorry Mo007 I dont know how to use that feature as you can tell I'm new to this forum, if you would like I can give u my e-mail address ?.

That sounds great. Post your email, and we pick it up from there.

Actually, it is better to NOT post e-mails on the boards. At the least, spambots will pick it up eventually and you will get even more spam. Instead, just click on User CP at the very top of the page to access your Private Message area where you can communicate e-mail addresses, and whatever.

Hi there ,

Nice beeing on board with you guys.. :clap:

I am a foriegn trained dentist living now in US , in process to get

licensed in here.


soo dhawaada :clap:

Originally posted by garad
Hi there ,

Nice beeing on board with you guys.. :clap:

I am a foriegn trained dentist living now in US , in process to get

licensed in here.


soo dhawaada :clap:

Where did you get your training from? are you going to be on Advanced Standing program?

Thanks

WOW...

I did'nt Know we are that numbered...I always join the international Dental Forum..I am also somalian Dentist , just recently migrated here , live in MN..

I just sat for NBDE Part I last Monday (Dec/1/03)
Anyone did take it ...

Oh my GOD, It is realy good to know I have fellow countrymen:clap: .

Wa Salamant'ahyeen

Mac'Alish Ana cisht fi el-emarat..mac acraf somali zayen...:D

Originally posted by HIM0098
WOW...

I did'nt Know we are that numbered...I always join the international Dental Forum..I am also somalian Dentist , just recently migrated here , live in MN..

I just sat for NBDE Part I last Monday (Dec/1/03)
Anyone did take it ...

Oh my GOD, It is realy good to know I have fellow countrymen:clap: .

Wa Salamant'ahyeen

Mac'Alish Ana cisht fi el-emarat..mac acraf somali zayen...:D

Great, I hope you did well on your NBDE1. I am currently a Pharmacy Student, but changing my career focus to Dentistry. Recently, I was accepted to University of North Carolina and Case Western Reserve Dental Schools (Ohio).

Looking forward to share your experience and career goals with you.

PM me HIM0098.

Good to have you guys on the board :cool:

Dear Mohamed,

Sorry, I was busy for a while I couldn't reply..

I graduated from Asia ( where?) and live in NJ. I took my NDBE 1 last july and I just took my NDBE 2 last week .

My plans, I dont know, confused like any other foriegn dentist in US.. but always there is a way ..I didn't apply any advanced program becouse that isnt my first choice.. now just crossing my fingers and praying so the CA bill will pass in january, if not I will apply the Advenced programs..

AGAIN mO007,
I THINK IT IS GOOD CHOICE TO GO FOR DENTISTRY INSTEAD OF PHARMCY.

HIM0098,

Welcome to the board , you can see them now and share your exprience with them.... MAA 3ALEESH IHKI AYYI LUQAH WANAFHAMAK..

Hope i will be back soon i wana take a good break I am tired form reading books. Really it seems boring when you are studing some thing you know and all ready studied over and over, however alhamdulillah I am done with it ( after I get the result part 2 in a month insha allah;) ) and looking forward to learn new things.

Soo nabad ahaada..

Garad.

Hey

wow... many of you taking NBDE's. Is it easy to become a dentist in the US after foreign school?

Anyone thinking of specialty in dentistry?

Good Job Guys.

MoOO7, It is not easy to become a Dentist in this country, but it is easy to sit for The NBDE exam. I mean they will let you sit for it and will not say no couse you are not a graduate from an accredited University or something like that..

Garad...Mutshaker..from where in Asia you graduted, I was in far east country(Philippine), are you from Pakistan..Man you are done with all the exames now only you need to do is hope for CA or try to prepare for Minnesota requirment..You see they don't ask you to be US or Canada graduate, but they need a 3 years of experince or do the GPR(two year) or the AEGD (one year).
But sometimes I wonder, is it better not to go back to school and just stick to thoes state that take us as we are.Then we can't be relocating as we wish.By the way..tell me how was part II, any advice in how to prepare for it, I am going to take it next..thanks


see ya all

Hey guys

It seems like most of you graduated from foreign schools, I wonder if any Somalis are currently enrolled in US Dental Schools?

What's this CA bill all about for foreign dentists?

Salam aleikoum,

I am also Somali, and live in the USA for while.
I am interesting attending Medical school in state. I got my B.S. and Master in Public Health in State. I have a job now, but for the last 2 years, I became so interested in medicine. Inshallah If everything goes as plan, I will be attending medical school in Fall of 2005.
Well, It is very motivating to see Somalis. Any Somalis attending Med school or residence here in USA ?

Wish you the best in pursing medical field.

Salam,

So far this thread has topics about Dentistry... but Medical Doctors can share their goals with us too. Afterall, we are all prepared as future professioanls to help each other.

Mo

So far this thread has topics about Dentistry... but Medical Doctors can share their goals with us too. Afterall, we are all prepared as future professioanls to help each other.

Mo,
I though the thread says Somalia.
Didn't say Dental. Well, any case nice to meet you guys.
Keep your hard work .

Good_Faith

Originally posted by good_faith
So far this thread has topics about Dentistry... but Medical Doctors can share their goals with us too. Afterall, we are all prepared as future professioanls to help each other.

Mo,
I though the thread says Somalia.
Didn't say Dental. Well, any case nice to meet you guys.
Keep your hard work .

Good_Faith

Hey, I said "Topics about Dentistry so far", not for "Dentists!"

Anyone out-there applying to Dental Schools? Why Dentistry is over-looked in our society?

I found an interesting article on this subject: http://ethnomed.org/ethnomed/cultures/somali/som_oral_health.html

Mo

bump

Hay did anyone received the NBDE last Dec result..

I hope all of you passed

Congratulation in advance

Thanks bro..



Yes I did recieved my result last month ,though I took mine by Computer based one.

My two cents are :

The decks and the released exam are enough for the prep.

If you want to take the part 2 through the computer, do it.


For me,now is time to think about the RT.



:)

RT..I thought that it was cancelled..or it was not..

bro..you took your part 2 in form of computer...
how was it..

I might do it,..

for me I am more incline to join the 2 years advace courses and be done with it..even though I know that I would be in loan..but what else to do..

You can tell me your input in this..

please check your PM...

thanks

Hey guys

Nice to see you posting again... I am taking my NBDE1 next year.

Since I am getting my DDS within the US... It might be easier for me as oppose to someone who graduated from foreign Dental School.

I am just guessing... Garad, am I right?

Eid Mubarak

Hay bro MoOO7,

I didnt know that you are already in Dental school. I thought that your planning to change from phrmacy school in the next future...

well good for you..

what school do you go to and what year are you in..
I am sure you have all the help to prepare for NBDE part 1 from your school..

if you have any Q's you can ask me..

One last thing ,, are you taking the computer or the writting one in july.


Good luck

I am not in Dental School now, but I was accepted at 3 schools, and I accepted Case's offer in Cleveland, so I start August 2004 (I already mentioned this). The NBDE1 can be taken after the 1st year, and its what determines if someone can specialise or not.

You guys got to give more details about your NBDE2 exams.

Share the Experience.

walaalayaal..

I did repied to you HMO..

RT was cancelled , but it is in a process to be extended, we have a great hope.

That is good idea if you are prone to do IDP programms, it is a less hassle. But for me RT is my option b/c I am not ready for that big loan.

Mo007, If you wana practice here is a good to do your DDS in here, for us when we were doning the BDS/DDS our aim wasn't to come here(USA).

Prep for NBDE 1 will not be an issue for you b/c you will be fimiliar with the system and the style of the exam, so don't worry about that. There is a great help to check the thread started by maintained by Yeah i think the title is My Study Log for NBDE 1 consult that one is great helo, that help me a lot.


For part 2 will be easier once you get familiar with system.

Over all the key point is Study the text books for the knwoledge and and the decks with the releaesd exams during exam prepation for the NDBE 1 &2.

NAbadeey..

Wow... Good Job Garad!

I remember taking my DAT's to Dental School, at the time, it was like a BIG obstacle. Since I got that out of the way, I guess its not the END of the road... I have NBDE1 to watch out for.

By the way guys (garad, and HIM), which countries did you get your Dental degrees from?.. and your future plans after passing the NBDE2.

Thanks

Happy Eid

Well I had my degree in

University Of the East, C.M Recto, Manila, Philippien

Gradute year 1998.

And I had a mighty fine 6 years of hard work and fun down there.
:laugh: :laugh:

Philipines Dental Schools are 6 years?? Malaysia is beautiful place for a honeymoon not for Dental School :laugh:

Sounds like you had both.

Yep...6 Years

two years as a pre-dental course in which you get a degree in Libral Art...

Then Four years Proper. which is the actual dental course.

Manila are based on American System, scince it was colonized by America for quiet sometime.. and the last American Base was demolished like in 1994..

So what you think..

Not bad man, I see the passion for Dentistry and Exotic places.

Are you planning to get into general practise? or specialise?

Mo

I love doing different thing in one day..
I think I will actually kill my self if i kept doing Endo or perio the whole day..

But if God well, I am planing to do more of like advance training in the area that I love most, which is Cosmotic Dentistry,,,specially veneering..and you know us for being somalian especialy the men they truly need help in that area...:D

And by the way,,, I am a female not a male..so address me properly:laugh: :laugh:

Wait a sec... you are a girl?

My bad... your nick (HIM0098) mislead me.

I apologize!... Lets just forget about this incident :D , I also want to specialise to Cosmetics - Oral Maxillofacial Surgery, but my NBDE1 exams have to be 90+ in all areas... :mad:

You know I get that alot..."nick misleading issue"..but what can I say I love my name :D .

Study hard ,, I did that but still I didnt get 90 only 87...which is not going to help me at all..since a lot of schools asking for a real high grade..so I am planing to put my self in the mood of retaking the exame..but I am not sure..

You live in Boston , and thanks for all the Indian Ladies the minimum requirment for the Boston University is 90% and tufft too so what other option that is left for me..I love Boston and I truly want to go there , thye can't beat our Freezing tempreature in Minnesota anyway:p

tell me what university u r planing to join or joined..

Abaayo, Boston is a very lively city, I can tell you all about that or anyone who has been there.

The schools here are by far MOST COMPETITVE in the nation, you mentioned TUFTS, a highly ranked school in New England. The cost of living will make you speechless, but thats not relevant at this stage... (I pay $600 with 3 other roommates in a 4 bd-room apartment, and that's a bargain).

In my opinion, you can still specialise at other schools or instutions, there are 105 programs for OMS in the US, so chose carefully if you decide to apply.

Rotations in OMS are very interesting, I have a friend who graduated from Uni. Michigan, and now doing his OMS in Boston Medical Center.... The Salary is very sweet after 4 years of OMS, with a Median of $240K/yr to a high of $360k/yr depending on experience and where you practise... So the oppertunities are great in Dentistry, OMS is not as far as you go though, you can extend your OMS to 6 yrs, the last 2 yrs being in Medical School, and you get OMS/MD title, and you can move onto other Medical Specialties like General Surgery or Plastic Surgery another 4 yrs minimum training... and the benefits go up too....

I see myelf in OMS, but too early to say that at this stage :D .

Good Luck

That is a wonderful choice OMS..

You have to study hard and maintain a certain score in order to get accepted in that field...it is highly competative...

You do sound like a smart person with ambition..
Good luck

Thanks abaayo... You must be missing Manila after this freezing MN weather. :D

Say!... Are any of you guys following recent political developments about Somalia's Peace Process.... I been watching John Kerry winning around the country.. let alone our own Somali Political signs of Hope.

I hope we reach better goals in the future... We have been immigrating long enough :scared: .

Now, I need some :sleep: .

Waw unblievable that I was away that long ..so many replies to read.


I thought I can keep up, but i got busy after the exams.


HIM0098= HER0098, I think if you apply as much as colleges you can you will get it, mostly the colleges will like the diversity and there is no much waryaa on the run - as other nations - when it comes to the IDP.

Awguuryo Mohamed for the acceptance.

OMS is the best speciality in dentistry IMHO, and I will do it sooner or later insha allah. It is nice to start your plans now, it is not too early to talk about, feel comfortable.

We pray everyday to go back again and live peacefully.

:love:

I never knew, how a freezing point feels like. But now I know Mohamed, and even I can write a novel about it.:p

Last week, I went to the Ice palace before they demolished..it was so magnificent..to the extent I lost all the feeling in my lower part for 2 days. You know, you could tour the entire palace in 30 min, but after one hour and half waiting in line to enter :D ..

about the political issue, I have lost faith in our elders back there in somalia. So I am waiting for all of them to die and let the new generation rules.. atleast they wouldnt mind sharing the power. and hopefully they wouldnt be brainwashed by their elders..hopefully..

Garad: yea man you have been gone for quiet sometime. Tell me, have you gone to california, I was reading something about approving the extention for RT exam but there is a clause.
about the diversity Issues you are right, I only find two university who does that , so I am waiting till they open the application for 2005 class..

take care..

HER0098......:laugh:

HIM0098: You are waiting for the current war-lords to die? - How long will that take? - by then its "time-up" for you too.

1st of all, I wouldnt wish anyone to DIE - period. The current situation in Somalia is slightly improving - well - at least better than a decade ago. Surely people are getting tired of "Qabiil". But there is a catch, and its a one that wont benefit the nation - but the current state leaders. Somalia will be entering a phase just like other African nations did or are currently in, where certain politicians will abuse their power, and want to stay around until they "DIE".

My opinion - Let them do it, that's better than nothing, and time will come where the nation will evolve to a more civilised society.

So don't wish for "DEATH to WARLORDS" - but "PEACE to the NATION".

Garad: Your prayers will be answered, and I agree with your idea of lets start planning now, looks like we are already doing our part.

HIM0098: You are waiting for the current war-lords to die? - How long will that take? - by then its "time-up" for you too
______________________________________

**** Oh my God, Am I going to die before them..that is really unfair, why,,why.. always the bad seed last longer than the good seed.

_________________________________________________
1st of all, I wouldnt wish anyone to DIE - period. The current situation in Somalia is slightly improving - well - at least better than a decade ago. Surely people are getting tired of "Qabiil". But there is a catch, and its a one that wont benefit the nation - but the current state leaders. Somalia will be entering a phase just like other African nations did or are currently in, where certain politicians will abuse their power, and want to stay around until they "DIE".
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*** Me too, I do not want anymore death in somalia, enough is enough.But they are leaving us with no choice. We have been talking for the last 15 years. Don't you think, talking making it worst, the more they talk the more they don't agree. And thats my friend defy logic..And about the phase issue , you are right, but let me ask you this,we have waited more than 15 years,how long do you thing this phase will last.

I truly want to see a peace there. I have fond memories of Xamer,and that is all what Xamer means to me now, a memory .

I'll just keep doing what I do now,pray.


Chao

P.S: sorry for the extremely late respond..

Its ok to be late on SDN

Sounds like you have been having good time lady, or you have been studying hard for an exam?

I wonder why it got suddenly so silent on this thread?

$20 says the next person who posts is a Somali Girl from MN. :D

It's nice to see somalian brothers in medical field. I am second sems student in Caribbean medical school. I have another brother at the same school. Keep up the good work guys I gota go back to study for physio shelf exam :(
Salam

Originally posted by blacktiger
It's nice to see somalian brothers in medical field. I am second sems student in Caribbean medical school. I have another brother at the same school. Keep up the good work guys I gota go back to study for physio shelf exam :(
Salam

Hey there.... Welcome to the future Somali professionals club.

I hear a lot of Somalis are going to those Caribbean Medical Schools - are you attending ROSS? I have a brother heading there in few weeks, he is excited about it.

Thrive to succeed man!

double bump.

Hi is there a somali dentist out there
or dental students?

Hi is there a somali dentist out there
or dental students?

Are you a dentist, dental student or considering dentistry?

I am taking a year off after changing career focus from Pharmacy to Dentistry. If you are applying for 2005, you are just in time for the new cycle - May 17, 2004.

Good Luck

Its good to see the my fellow peeps on the move like this. Its about time we see professional Somalis in medicine, dentistry or engineering. Am undergrad getting my degree in engineering but i've always been interested in medicine.

I just want to say to all those in pursuit of success, don't let anything stop you..its all about being focused and staying on course eventhough at times it gets difficult.

Salaam

D-Block

are you in the US? - you can use the PM feature to also respond.

Yea..Mo007. I live in the west coast.

Yea..Mo007. I live in the west coast.
I hear engineering oppertunities are better in middle-east, is that the case in the US too?

Engineering opportunities differ in many places. It all depends on what area of study you specializing in and type of work you're looking for. I've heard of the middle east have good opportunities but thats more towards their own population. The arabs are more interested in hiring their own than some somali claiming american citizenship. :)

So, looks like this thread needs a "bump".

Hay all :)

It's great to see so many brothers and sisters entering the health profession: D . I know there is not enough of us around, especially in the UK, but I am still proud of you all :D keep up the hard work.

About me :) ....I am a graduate in Bsc. Biochem and I am about to start med school this fall, so looking forward to 5 years of hard work studying something I love :eek: :eek:

:laugh:

leena

Congratulations!

Where will you be attending medical school?

Thanks Mo007!

I will be attending school in London :D Should be fun.

leena

will you be attending UCL or Queen Mary? That's the only 2 I know in London, maybe King's College is the 3rd.

I am a DDS student (dental) in the U.S. (Ohio), and I have a brother in Medical School in Florida. I am happy for you, virtually any other Somali would be too.

I grew up in London (Wood-Green), so I am very familiar with the education system in the UK. You must have had Killer A-level grades to get into Medical School, in the U.S. it's even more competitive to get into Medical School. I have a somali friend who is in UCL medical school (London), I think he is in his last year by now.... by the name of "Saeed". Another friend from Asia graduated from Queen Mary few years back - great school, he is a physcian in London now, maybe training for surgery. London Medical Proffesors are text-book instructors, and they mostly teach at London schools - so you are definetly in for some serious surprises - due to these professors who are the fore-fronts of their prespective fields.

You are right, it WILL be fun.

Enjoy It.

There are five med schools in London UCL, Barts and the London, Imperil, St George and Kings. They are all good :D so I am happy that I chose one in London. The fact that they are all part of the University of London means we get guest lecturers not only from any of them but also form Oxford and Cambridge.

Dentistry.. that?s cool, I actually considered dental school...then I remembered how much I hate going to the dentist :rolleyes: Your a former Londoner :cool:.... gave it up for America huh! Do you like it more then the UK?? I can't imagine living anywhere else...I would miss Bond St :laugh:

My A levels were OK..I am more glad that I never have to do them again :mad: :scared:...they kill :meanie:

Salaam to all..

as I proclaimed, I'm first timer to this Somali Site...and i'm glad to see my folks....

first of all, is there anybody who's attending Caribbean Medical schoo in this form..?? if so, give me Pros' vs. cons' ? if no, does worth to wait a year or may be 2 before I can get accepted inot US med school..?? ( in this, i'm looking everybody's input.!!.) thanks in advance...

:idea: :idea: :idea:

leena

The standard of education (undergrad) is better in the UK. However, in the US, graduate schools are the elite, due to funding available to US grad schools. I didn't give up UK to the US, my whole family is here... and I was prepared to do my higher education in the US, and It's a very positive experience so far.

Dental and Medical Students in the US take classes together for the first 2 years, beyond that... clinically, they proceed to their respective majors. So, the most critical part on both professions is the basic sciences in those 2 years, which is crucial for specialization afer dental/medical school. Also, Medical schools here are 4 years (not 5, as it is in the UK), but residency can range from 3-5+ years after the MD degree.

I like Dentistry due to its artistic nature, and the flexibilty the profession allows you to practise (3/4 days a week)... Dentistry pays as much as, if not above, general physicians. I thought about medical school, I couldn't see myself working 60-70+ hours a week during residency. And the NHS in the UK must be laboring students close to 80 hours.... right?

I haven't been back to the UK since 2001, all the people I grew up with reside there... I have doubts I would come back for good. I guess 2 or 3 weeks wouldn't hurt for a reunion. Incase you are wondering... I did my undergrad at U. Hertfordshire in Hatfield (UK).


RBG05

I PM'ed you. Are you a pre-med? I have a brother attending at ROSS U. in Dominica, he likes it so far. He is only attending the Dominica campus in his first year, the other 3 will be in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. I think both type of schools will grant you an MD, and you will be given an equal oppertunity to specialize in any field in the US. Question is... how good can a carribean schools prepare you to do well on the boards?

MoOOO7

i'm almost done and hoping this year to be my last. I know the good, the ungly, and the bad of OSU medical school. I'm hoping atleast to get interview this year including several other medical schools. If nothing comes thru..by this time next year I'm heading to the Carribean..so my be ur brother can shed some light for me about caribbean medical schools; even though i'm leaning to SGU...Ross U could be my 2nd/3rd choice...I was browsing thru Valuemd.com...about caribbean medical schools..and saw Ross U has 16 months (basic science program ) at Domanica and rest at Miami..i'm considering the "Big 3" only...

where are the rest of Somali students who interested Medical School..may be we can help each other.......??

:idea: :idea: :idea:

I think it could be good idea...if we invite all Somali students to this forum/thread, so we can chat and exchange ideas...and be able to enhance each others future...!


:idea: :scared: :idea: :sleep: :idea: :thumbup: :idea: :love:

Moo7

I can see why you chose dentistry. The working hours for Doctors is a nightmare :mad: I think the only advantage us future doctors in the UK have is the new European laws about to come in to effect which states doctors should not work more then 48 hour week- I am not entirely sure if this only applies only to newly qualified doctors or all doctors :rolleyes: This new initiative is defiantly welcomed by a lot of doctors here, but there is also a lot of complaints form consultants saying that the NHS relies heavily in overworked junior doctors :(

I know the working hours in the US can be as high as 100 hours for doctors- and that would not appeal to me either :meanie:

RBG05

welcome :) I cant give you any advice because I know nothing about Caribbean med schools-but I am sure others will :D

Hye, i'm just wondering the "limited" post info. in this shread/forum

MoOOO7
what Dental school are u in..? is't the OSU dental school..!! I don't see my self going to dental school, unless it's my last opion. But, anyway good job.

Leena

thanks. So, how are the Med schools in U.K ?

leena

Good luck with your medical career.


RBG05

The Ohio State College of Dentistry. If you ever consider Dentistry, I would strongly suggest you to shadow with a Dentist... at least you can get a general idea if you can handle what Dentistry is all about. Also, if you are considering any career in healthcare, make sure you are doing it because you enjoy it and having fun, those should be your primary reasons.


Make sure you guys tell other Somali kids who are considering any profession in healthcare to visit here.

Enjoy.

MoOO7
give me break man..! first do u said, u r going OSU dental school or u r at Case Western U..if u r going osu dental school..u know it sucks..( dirty)..I used to take Micro..at post-Hall (where the dental school is); specificly, room 1118. if u ever when thru..the dental school..(the partical area)..u can see how unclean the whole area is...I even know an Arab-girl who studies dental and she even told me that. : :o D.D.S is my last option.

Hye MoOO7, i'm wondering if u know this guy, blacktiger, or have his e-mail..he said he goes to Carib. Med school..?

My teeth hurtis, dentis.

RBG05

I was accepted to both Ohio Schools, since I live here (Columbus), I decided to stay here (after a close call of thinking to go to CASE initially)... it's not about which school is dirty and which one is clean. It's about the program and the cost of tuition. OSU has a better clinical program than CASE, and definetly cheaper (CASE is $65K per year, OSU is $12K per year - go figure!). CASE is a private school... their Medical School is one of the best in the nation, however, their dental is as good as any other dental school. US dental schools are not ranked, it's an agreement between all schools.

So... just because an "arab" girl thinks dentistry sucks, you concur? :rolleyes: - and if she studies dental (i am assuming you mean dentistry - which would be the D.D.S.), how can she say DDS is her last option when she is studying DDS? :idea: , that is very contradicting!

I don't know anyone called blacktiger.

Good luck with your Medical career, I would take a great caution with Medical School - make sure you are ready to commit yourself with 8 more years of school. :o

MoOO7,
are u going summer school/u r out...so may be I can stop-by ur lab area. And, show u what'm talkin about...dental/dentisty school..

D.D.S.), how can she say DDS is her last option when she is studying DDS? , that is very contradicting!

And, it's me how said, DDS is my last option, not the Arab girl who's already going there..."Please don't half it" :o
Any pros/cons about any medical school...that u have any info...could help me..! and thanks for the advice..
I will keep it up...

I have no knowledge about the pros and cons in medical school, someone in medical school can answer that question better for you. Maybe you need to do some volunteering at OSU medical center, there is a volunteering office inside the hospital, and you can sign up for a department of you choice. There is so much you can learn from the field by talking to the actual doctors who work at the Hospital.

I am off for the summer, back in school this fall.

Which school are you currently attending?

MoOO7
Which school are you currently attending?

come on, r u just asking me that Q ? the "buckeye (football) nation school"

Congratulations brother, OSU is a great school.

I am glad you got it.

I hope so many friend will join this thread, I talk to several friends in the dental/medical/pharm field to join us, though I couldn't keep it up.

If there is any somali dental student or dentist plz tehre is also a great dental website dentaltown.com.

I can see Mo007 still you're lurking on SDN, but dont forget here after the Anatomy headache.

I couldn't see also any new posts for HIM...

Welcome the new bros/sis somali proffisionals.

macasalaama.

garad..
what would happen to the new school if the old school doesn't keep up w/the thread..!! basicly none may show up..
hi there..

[QUOTE]I have no knowledge about the pros and cons in medical school,

Bro; that's too deep. But thanks

Fellas!

garad - It has been a while bro, it's good to see you again. I honestly can't wait to get school work done. I hope our experiences are good introduction to future Somali professionals considering Dentistry. Talking about HIM098.. I haven't seen her on SDN for sometime now, she might be still in MN, her where-abouts will definetly be on this thread's radar soon. So, how did the California boards go? - weren't you considering taking it? - I hope there is already light at the end of the tunnel for you.


RBG05 - You are like the "swift boat veterans" around here... ;). What I ment was, I don't have any "personal" knowledge of the pros and cons of medical school. Now, where in Columbus are you from again?


Work Hard People. Somalia is actually trying to get back on its feet as we speak, let's hope we are the first real wave of healthcare professionals. As it turns out, politics is also another hobby of mine. :D

so far, for couple weeks, I'm fatt'up w/the Swift boat Vit-losers..and I'm surprise w/Q 2.......Now, where in Columbus are you from again?

when it comes to politics, I keep it on my Left-whing. :rolleyes:

If you like Politics, and by that I mean "Somali" politics - I would recommend www.hobyonet.com - a great site for current issues. The trick is, you read in Somali. If you can, then you will find the daily news on that site interesting.

Good Luck to All... hopefully, things will work out back home - despite what happend the past 14 years.

Get This...

2 Somali athletes who participated in the Athens 2004 Olympics (mostly likely the only 2 we had) by the names of Maxamed Faarax Cajab & Fartuun Abuukar Cumar have gone AWOL after the official closing ceremony. Its assumed that they have left Greece and headed to western-european countries. This came to the attention of the Olympics officials after both athletes have failed to show up to their Airport shuttles at their residences.

My guess is they will never come back. :D - Talk about Olympic Dreams...

That's kinda disappointing.But not unexpected.

How is everyone here..How you doing Mo007.

I need to catch-up on my reading here, been away for quite sometime, so I know what to write here next .. :D ...till then...

She is back!!!... I wonder where she has been? :rolleyes:

I thought you guys might find this interesting... It's kind of an "Old Article", I didn't even know it existed until I found it.

SOMALIA: First postwar medical college opens in Mogadishu


NAIROBI, 17 Jun 2003 (IRIN) - Somalia's first medical college in 12 years officially opened in the capital, Mogadishu, on 15 June.

The Benadir University Medical College (BUMC) is to be funded by donations from Somali physicians and an annual fee of US $1,500 per student, its rector, Dr Usman Adan Abdulle, told IRIN.

The BUMC, which is currently training 22 medical students (11 of them women), actually started classes late last year. It was officially opened on 15 June by the president of the Transitional National Government, Usman said.

It was the first time since the start of the civil war in 1991 that such an institution had come into operation, a Somali source told IRIN.

Usman, one of the most respected physicians in Somalia, said "the need for more doctors became acute, and so we had to explore ways of getting more of them into the health system". There is a general shortage of medical practitioners in Somalia, because no new doctors have entered the profession since 1990. At the same time, "former doctors left the country, got old or simply died", he noted. "Before the civil war, our university used to graduate 50 doctors per year."

Dr Abdirazzaq Ahmed Dalmar, the BUMC's director of training and international collaboration, told IRIN that the BUMC had concluded collaboration agreements with a number of foreign universities, including Kings College, London, University College London, Howard University in Washington DC, Palermo University in Italy, and Lund University in Sweden. These institutions had pledged to provide "long-distance training and equipment", Dalmar said. "Palermo university has already donated teaching material, and is offering refresher courses for the instructors and will send instructors when the security situation improves," he added.

According to Usman, BUMC will be staffed by Somali doctors based both inside and outside the country. "We have commitments from Somali doctors in the diaspora that they will come to teach in rotation," he told IRIN.

Usman said the BUMC would have an initial intake of between 50 and 60 students per year. "We have decided that is the optimum number the college can train at present," he said, pointing out that there were more applicants than the college could absorb.

The students would undergo a six-month period of intensive English-language and information technology training before starting their five-year course, Dalmar said. He said the college's language of instruction would be English.

Usman told IRIN that the university's most pressing needs were a library and teaching material. "Any donations in this regard will be highly appreciated and welcomed," he said, appealing to international donors "and those involved in the health sector in Somalia" to help make the project a success.

That's such an enlighten article..

Dr.Usman is absoulty right. I hope they get all the support they need in all forms.
My grandfather just died 3 weeks ago.Least to say, It was hard to find a proper medical care for him, but that is the condition for all the elder population of somalia. No matter how much you send from medication to monetary fund, nothing can beat the professional care of a nurse or a doctor.

I do hope that school succeed in their mission and not in the long run provide the necssary medical aid to their own tribe only :rolleyes:

HIM0098

Sorry to hear your grandfather pass away. Well, healthcare in Somalia, as we all know, lack the basic fundamentals. Like you said, nurses and qualified doctors, or health mentors are in areas where they are isolated from the needy, or are not qualified enough to treat the sick.

A simple cultural healthcare program is needed to help people of all kinds and regions in the country, a strategy that benefits both the professionals and communities.

I see in the US, where even CNN has a doctor.... it says a lot about where Somalia stands in preventative health in communities.

The establishment of a new government can change all this. An oppertunnity for people to gain confidence to live their life safely, and prioritise health as a very important issue, just like it is over here.

New Somali President to be elected by 9/30/2004. Presidential season is under-way around the world.

Stay Tuned. :D


P.S. I have to share a short humor, a real one. A Somali guy who I met in a Columbus mall, was watching FOX NEWS (I think) on Hurricane Frances... He said: "Why are the networks keep talking about FRANCE... it's not like we have nothing important over here to talk about!". Just when I was about to laugh, another guy next to him intercepted "No, this is a storm heading to FRANCE!" :laugh: - Just another day in my city. :D

Salaam my fellow Somalis, i couldn't believe it when i stumbled upon this site. I am a junior in Speech and Hearing science, and i want to specialize in Audiology. I wanted to pursue Medicine, but i flunked the MCATs once and started thinking do i really want to do this? so here iam in Audiology, less time in school, not as grueling, cheaper, and i still get to help people :D

Wish the best of luck with all of you in the health field, and hope more and more individuals decide to join it, our country can definetly use it.

LOL@ joke about the Hurricane!!!

Hey, we have a new president is that a cause for celeberation or doomsday? i can't decide yet :confused:, i only pray there isn't gonna be more innocent bloodshed.

Welcome Somaali

This is our little lounge for the Somalis. As you can see, we are the few who found each other to share our stories and goals in the medical field. I hope your Audiology career is the right choice for you.

On politics, I never expected Mr. Yousuf to win, but after careful thought, Somalia needs a president with his views, not so much of his background, but someone with an iron-hand. I believe good things will come out of this new government, and Somalis have a path of rebuilding of a nation to do... because everyone has to be part of achieving the common goal. Needless to say, we don't know what the price will be to change most Somalis' feeling and attitude towards unity and democracy, under "ilaahey's" will.

Good Luck to All :thumbup:

Thanks Mo.

Back to politics, i am an amateur when it comes to Somali politics, but even being that, i don't think the current elected president is that right choice for us, only because i don't think he is any better than Siad Barre or Ceydiid, i think all the odeyaal that participated in that election need to go, they all suck :thumbdown, we need new people, younger and not so mercenary. That's my two cents.

How's everybody's Ramadaan so far, i ate so much today, i feel my stomache walls stretched :o, not a particularly comfortable :laugh:

Salaam

Somaali

I think a lot of Somalis are outraged about the results of the Somali Presidential Election outcome. You would expect someone who posted on this "Somalia" thread had a better chance, simply because of Mr. Yusuf's profile. To those of us who were leaning towards a leader who had no warlord background, we have been disappointed. I think the manipulation of politics by people who shared common background ended up in the government. This was suppose to be about a fresh start for the Somalis, but then, you question - to fix current problems in Somalia, who would better get the job done? - Someone who understands the crisis from experience (a warlord), or someone who has a strategy based on what people outside the country think?... Sadly, the real choice comes down to a person like Abdullahi Yusuf.

Shoot... dozens of intellectual Somalis I met didn't even think he will run for presidency, let alone win it. It's very interesting to see how this elected president goes around all the obstacles Somalia needs to recover from. You can just imagine, if he will spend all his 5 year term to implement the plans for these obstacles? I don't know what's going to prompt Somalis living outside Somalia to go back home, and live a life under a government who many think has representitives who were considered (if not still) an enemy, including the President himself. This guy have to win the people's confidence by doing what he was elected for, period.

There is a good chance things will improve, but not at the rate we all would like to see. And again, we should be optimistic about this oppertunity, and take this chance to create a country that counts in the world.

More Later...

P.S. Somaali, fasting is a time to transform your diet, you sound like you are refusing to cut down on food by eating all your daily 3 meals on "anfur" time. I have been working on that formula, but you sound like more ambitious.

:thumbup:

Aslamu Aleykum

As a Somali, I feel president- elect Abdullahi Yusuf represents what?s left of the democratic processes of our country. He has been recognized throughout the world as our president and the best things Somalis both in the diaspora and those still living in Somalia can do for the betterment of our country is recognize his position and move on. I think the more we busy ourselves with the shortcomings of our leaders the more we become critical and bitter. Instead, what we need to do is to determine what our next steps will be as a country and take the necessary actions.

This is not to say that I favor one candidate over another. I am desperate for the recognition of my country, of its people and its way of life. All the representatives have shortcomings I feel can be magnified which can result in an atmosphere of hate and bigotry. The world has accepted who our president is. We should at least welcome it.

Aslaam,

D-Block, i too genuinely wish for peace and unity for our war torn country, and now Abdulaahi Yusif is elected whether we like it or not, the thing that really gets me, why did we go through 14 long years of chaos and exile? if we going to elect a goverment and a president just like our late one, what was the whole point?...and there's nothing me and you or even the ones in Somalia can do about it, our fate is once again decided by the warlords, all that's left to do is pray and wish for the best.

Mo, naah i don't try to eat my 3 meals at once during afur, we ate at my sister's house and i couldn't help but taste everything, and it was my downfall :laugh: , i only wish i was half as talented as she is when it comes to cooking.

Where are you guys in the US?

D-Block made a valid point, there is definetly more to be seen on how the new Somali government approaches it's tasks. It's not an easy process, considering criticisms from all kind of Somalis, whether they are in Somalia, or in a foreign country. What concerns me is, what kind of environment will there be in Somalia in the immediate future... will people accept and respect the domestic policies from the new government to improve the country's current status.... particularly having a "Law and Order", even though things are not as bad they were during the 90's.

I think we should invest in hope, and not go beyond the idea of "1" Somalia.

Somaali, is there so many different kind of Somali food you can cook?, besides the daily "bariis or baasto" dose? :D - I am just kidding... I am sure you are a better cook than me.

Aslamu Aleykum,

I live in the rainy city of Seattle--big up to the Seahawks.

Overly sunny (and republican) Arizona over here,, Go devils!!

We here in Washington State are liberal latte lovers..your typical blue state.

Here in Ohio, the eye of the political storm recently, still have faith in Democratic leadership... even though anti-gay rights propaganda from republican and independant advocates stole the election from Kerry. :D

It's all about the message you send out to people to support you. If this works in this country, so as Somalia... if there is ever a national election.

FONT=Times New Roman]Salamu alaikum
waa wada salaamantihiin
I am starting uni after the summer but cant decide what to major in yet......my future aspirations is to be an Internist or a Family Practioner what would you guys recommend I major in (i am considering biochemistry)[/FONT]

FONT=Times New Roman]Salamu alaikum
waa wada salaamantihiin
I am starting uni after the summer but cant decide what to major in yet......my future aspirations is to be an Internist or a Family Practioner what would you guys recommend I major in (i am considering biochemistry)[/FONT]
Somalilander

Welcome to sdn. If your interests at this point in college lie towards Medicine, you should consider doing volunteering at your local medical center/hospital. That will give you the oppertunity to understand what it's like to be a physician. The other benefit in that is, such experience will help you when you apply to medical schools in the future. Try to volunteer as early as you can, that way, when you get to your junior or senior year in college, you can focus on upper classes in your major, which tend to be more difficult than your freshman and sophmore courses.

Speaking of major, keep your options open if you are not sure what to major in. You should focus on completing the mandatory pre-requisites for medical schools (general sciences) first, and try to do well in those. Medical Schools prefer students who major in Sciences... you sound like you are on the right track if you are aiming for Biochemistry.

There schools who have BS/MD programs, depending on your high school grades, if they were good, such programs requires you to maintain a certain GPA before you get to the MD portion of the program. The MCAT will still determine if you can handle Medical School, regardless on what path you choose to get there.

Good Luck :thumbup:

you don't have to major in a science if you are applying to medical school. you can major in anything that you want so long as you complete the premedical classes that you need to take. if you choose a major - chose a major that you enjoy and that you are seriously interested in. especially if you plan on doing research. if you end up choosing a major based upon only the fact that it will 'look good' for medical school, later on you may regret it.

you don't have to major in a science if you are applying to medical school. you can major in anything that you want so long as you complete the premedical classes that you need to take. if you choose a major - chose a major that you enjoy and that you are seriously interested in. especially if you plan on doing research. if you end up choosing a major based upon only the fact that it will 'look good' for medical school, later on you may regret it.


But it would probably look better on your record if you major in one of the science fields......but then again medical schools also look for applicants with wide spread talent (not only scientific talent)....so you got a point there

you see i was previously planning to major in Biochemistry and get my masters
and start work.........but i started to get intrested in medicine'
Mo007 i never thought there where colleges that both offer Bs and M.D.
which colleges do you know that offer both degrees?????? :idea:

anyone from tennessee?????
does anyone one have any University recommendation for studying
my pre-requisit courses(organic chem,inorganic chem,Biol,phys...etc)
in Tennessee

Salaam,

Somalilander, Not to be discouraging, but you really have to be determined, disciplined, committed, and financially willing to go into debt(it was big factor for me, because i hate debt!) to go through Med School, trust me i thought i wanted it too, i did over 300 hrs of volunteering at different hospitals, did my pre-med requirements and even took an early MCAT, but at the end i had to be real honest with myself, as much as i thought i can do it, i don't have the capabilites to totally commit myself to go through it, iam glad i realized that now than somewhere down the road.

So think very carefully before you decide anything, go spend time in hospital enviroment to see if you like it. And another thing, you can do your undergrad in whatever you like, it doesn't stricly has to be science oriented, if you like Bio Chem stuff go for it.
It seems you're still at the early stages in your studies, you have endless options, explore them to the fullest.

I have never been to TN, iam not very familiar with their schools, but iam sure if you look it up, you will find what you're looking for. Good Luck!

Gotta go eat now :D Ciao.

somaali what did you major in ??????

Somalilander, My original major was Biology.

you don't have to major in a science if you are applying to medical school. you can major in anything that you want so long as you complete the premedical classes that you need to take. if you choose a major - chose a major that you enjoy and that you are seriously interested in. especially if you plan on doing research. if you end up choosing a major based upon only the fact that it will 'look good' for medical school, later on you may regret it.
I wasn't suggesting that science major students get preference over others, med schools tend to recruit more students with science major than any other major. Undergrad major doesn't count for anything, that's what prerequisites and the MCAT are for. Obviously, there are benefits having a science major, one would be better prepared for basic science courses in medical school... that's just a common sense.

By the way... Eid Mubarak Everyone.

bump.

They should make this thread sticky. :D

tsunami in Somalia people... click the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2004_Indonesia_Tsunami_Complete.gif

Eid Mubarak.... (if anybody is out-there!). :D

Hello everyone.

My first post here... wishing everyone good luck with their plans in the medical field.

Mo007 - Case Western is a good school, am sure they will prepare you really well as a Dentist. Boy, toof-docs make a lot of $$$. :D

I am also, another Dental applicant... applying for fall 2006 (Columbia, UPenn, Ohio State and hopefully some west-coast school - maybe UOP!).

Enjoy

Hello everyone.

My first post here... wishing everyone good luck with their plans in the medical field.

Mo007 - Case Western is a good school, am sure they will prepare you really well as a Dentist. Boy, toof-docs make a lot of $$$. :D

I am also, another Dental applicant... applying for fall 2006 (Columbia, UPenn, Ohio State and hopefully some west-coast school - maybe UOP!).

Enjoy
Well, Well, Well... what do we have here?

another Dentist (to be) member, welcome to the sdn (Somali) club.

UPenn and Columbia are looking for top stats. If you got them already, you will get in.

Good Luck

Assalamu Calaykum fellow Somalis,

It is good to hear from you all........... I am a new member. I reside in Ohio. Just wanted to introduce my self and participate the discussions later inshaAllah.

Bani-Adam

Hi guys..i feel out of place ..i mean with all you "grown folks" out here, a few words from an 18 year old high schooler will be taken with a grain of salt :D
Or am i wrong :laugh:
Ps.to ask a few questions, do i need to start a new thread or i can "hijack" this noble thread :p

Hi guys..i feel out of place ..i mean with all you "grown folks" out here, a few words from an 18 year old high schooler will be taken with a grain of salt :D
Or am i wrong :laugh:
Ps.to ask a few questions, do i need to start a new thread or i can "hijack" this noble thread :p
Welcome.

bump. ;)

bump. ;)
bump it is.

This thread died multiple times... :)

Aslaamu Alykum To All
As I was just surfing the net I came across this website so I read some of the things that you all have been writting and it seemed kinda interesting so I decided to become a member. I'm really interested in being in the medical field and I want to make it big someday.
Anyway...Thats me right there ^ so yeah......
Peace

Aslaamu Alykum To All
As I was just surfing the net I came across this website so I read some of the things that you all have been writting and it seemed kinda interesting so I decided to become a member. I'm really interested in being in the medical field and I want to make it big someday.
Anyway...Thats me right there ^ so yeah......
Peace
Welcome. ;)

anyone from tennessee?????
does anyone one have any University recommendation for studying
my pre-requisit courses(organic chem,inorganic chem,Biol,phys...etc)
in Tennessee
hi somalilander, if you have the option of going any university of your choice i would defenitly recommened smaller school. i know from an experience. i went here (ohio state university) it is the second largest state university, and as a pre-med i have to say it was not easy. you have less interaction with professors, and to make it worst you have to deal with computition that is unbleivible. beside smaller school you have better chances to be minority and compititive. best of luck for you.

hi all my fellow country men and ladies.
i am taking my MCAT this comming august for the first time. :confused: even though i am a senior status, i have not taken it before. if anyone had taken it, i would like to hear feed backs. i appreciate for your advice. :)

Assalama alikum,
i asume i am filled with a questions today. i was wondering if any body heared about MCAT enrichment for minority over the summer? if you do please feel free to hit me back with your info. apreciate it :) :)

one last thing. if anyone buckeye in here (Ohio state university), please join us next week Hunigton sociaty. it is a minority pre-med oraginization that train students any thing concern applying and getting into med and post med. :thumbup: :thumbup: :)

:) :) hi all,

i have posted some questions since i found this web. however forget to introduce myself to my fellow somalis (my bad). i am fourth year here in Ohio State University. majoring in molecular genetics (pre-med). i hope that will do. any way, i have been checking any replies for three days and was not lucky to get any :confused: . i guess everyone is busy with their studies. i wish ya all best of luck. :luck: bil- tawfiiq insha allaah.

It's nice to see somalian brothers in medical field. I am second sems student in Caribbean medical school. I have another brother at the same school. Keep up the good work guys I gota go back to study for physio shelf exam :(
Salam
hi blacktiger,
are you by any chance from columbus, ohio. i know someone who goes to ross!!

Hey,

For the MCAT, you should have a solid grasp of the basics outlined in the AAMC website (http://www.aamc.org/students/mcat/start.htm). Once you're comforable that you know that basics, practice is really the key to getting a decent score. It is not a memory/regurgitation type of exam, you have to know introductory sciences and then be able to reason when you have new information. Get your hands on the AAMC practice exams 3R - 8 off of the website (www.e-mcat.com) and if you need more practice on the basics, get Examkrackers 1001 series. That's what I did and scored pretty well on the MCAT. Let me know if you have any questions :) OK?

Best of luck,
Nora


hi all my fellow country men and ladies.
i am taking my MCAT this comming august for the first time. :confused: even though i am a senior status, i have not taken it before. if anyone had taken it, i would like to hear feed backs. i appreciate for your advice. :)

Hey,

For the MCAT, you should have a solid grasp of the basics outlined in the AAMC website (http://www.aamc.org/students/mcat/start.htm). Once you're comforable that you know that basics, practice is really the key to getting a decent score. It is not a memory/regurgitation type of exam, you have to know introductory sciences and then be able to reason when you have new information. Get your hands on the AAMC practice exams 3R - 8 off of the website (www.e-mcat.com) and if you need more practice on the basics, get Examkrackers 1001 series. That's what I did and scored pretty well on the MCAT. Let me know if you have any questions :) OK?

Best of luck,
Nora
hi Nora,
thank you. that was very informative :thumbup: i am taking with kaplan course this summer prior my august test. hopefully it will boost both of my confidence level and my verbal section. i have taken some practice test here at OSU. i did well both biological and physical (physical , i take back not too well. but aight). however i am more concern about verbal. i am glad you did well. are you in med school or still in application process?

cheers;
Drlander :)

How much does the kaplan course cost?

How much does the kaplan course cost?
it cost me my life (just kidding) :p . not really, it cost me $1450. so technichly speaking it did cost me a lot. the reason i pay for it, i have couple of study bodies who took the course and did well. so i am hoping it is worth taking it (at least for the first time). again some people could do fine just without the course (unfortunately bird told me i am not one of those peeps). any way the course comes with an on line pakage. which you could use for sample practice tests, missed calss, and home work seplemantry. i would deffinitly strongly suggest to take it if you can afford it (my case, i cant but my passion and dream to go to med school is pushing me to the wild side). anywho i hope this is the answer you wished for.
good luck pal :thumbup:

Hye drlander76

It seems u r really excited been here!, welcome anyway. There are several (4) Buckeye students in this forum who just keep everything in low profile, just ask questions we will be glad to respond. :rolleyes:

Hye drlander76

It seems u r really excited been here!, welcome anyway. There are several (4) Buckeye students in this forum who just keep everything in low profile, just ask questions we will be glad to respond. :rolleyes:
hey, i am a just exciting guy. what can i say. about low profile!! HMmm. any way thank you for your hospitality.

Drlander,

Are you applying to Med Schools this year?

Good Luck

Drlander,

Are you applying to Med Schools this year?

Good Luck
no, acually i am applying next year. and thank you, it is only aproppriate to say you too (for good luck)

Drlander,

Are you applying to Med Schools this year?

Good Luck
hey the candidate, are you dental student or applaying to dent schools?

hey the candidate, are you dental student or applaying to dent schools?
Yes. I have completed all the necessary requirements, and hopefully will be applying in couple of months (the current cycle started couple of weeks ago, and will end February next year). All in all, I think my chances are good, the trick to everything about the dental admission process is applying very early.

How about you?

Its good to see many nomads applying to medical or dental school.I happen to bump in to this thread as i was looking for information about dental school admission test!.I have registered for Kaplan DAT prep-which will start on the 19th of June.I am senior college student here in the USA.I was undecided for some time but now i am decisive to attend dental school.Any tip off on how to do good on the DAT will be welcomed please.Goodluck nomads insha_Allah!.

Where did the word "nomad" come from??? - I guess people come up with imaginative words to describe the Somalis, huh? :)

Also, you can do well on the DAT without the Kaplan course, you can save yourself the $1000 to purchase a nice notebook from Apple, or Sony 62' screen in my opinion... it's lot more fun to study on your own an achieve competitive scores on the DAT. I certainly did, my 2 cents.

The following materials can help you do well on the DAT:

- Kaplan DAT book (this book has about 95% of you need to study, and is available at your local book store, ie. Barnes and Noble - priced around $65).
- Scholarware, Top-Score CD (you can order this CD online from the publisher's website - priced around $40, i think).
- Barron's guide (good book for the PAT section - I can't remember the cost of this book).
- MCAT ExamKrackers (good for Organic and Inorganic Chem - you can find this on eBay, for around $10 or less each).

Those materials, with hard work, can get you in all the schools in the country.

By the way, what schools are you interested in?

Good Luck.

P.S. Glad to see another Somali interested in this field.

If my memory serves me well i think the word nomad has been tagged along with the Somalis ever since we been serching for grazing land! :D . I might be wrong but don't you think majority of our people are spread around the world-they even coined another word lately "Somali Diaspora" :) .
I am looking forward to apply to medical college of Georgia,-an instate school-here in Georgia,, Louisiana state,and university of louisville school of dentistry.
Thanks for the info about the Kaplan,i have already signed up for it-hopefully it will be helpful Insha-Allah!.

If my memory serves me well i think the word nomad has been tagged along with the Somalis ever since we been serching for grazing land! :D . I might be wrong but don't you think majority of our people are spread around the world-they even coined another word lately "Somali Diaspora" :) .
I am looking forward to apply to medical college of Georgia,-an instate school-here in Georgia,, Louisiana state,and university of louisville school of dentistry.
Thanks for the info about the Kaplan,i have already signed up for it-hopefully it will be helpful Insha-Allah!.
Dawgs

Sounds good. Louisville is a great school, if you can visit the school, I would highly recommend you should do so.

When does your Kaplan course start anyways?

^^^^^ I will start the Kaplan course on the 19th of June(2more sundays!) insha-Allah.Are you already in dental or medical school?-sorry that i didn't read all your posts to figure that out :D !.

^^^^^ I will start the Kaplan course on the 19th of June(2more sundays!) insha-Allah.Are you already in dental or medical school?-sorry that i didn't read all your posts to figure that out :D !.
That's fine.

I am re-applying to Dental School this cycle. I applied last cycle and got accepted to couple of schools, but decided to wait another year before attending, due to personal reasons (long story). When are you thinking of applying to AADSAS?

Good Luck with Kaplan... make sure you make a good use of their practise exams and flash-cards.

I may start applying 2006 AADSAS application after i take the test on august.My freind is advising me to start applying now than waiting untill august.I am a novice on the dental admission process but i try to check all the schools admission requirement.I will like to see how i do on the DAT first before i apply-do you sense some hesitant there?.What say you? any advice?.

I may start applying 2006 AADSAS application after i take the test on august.My freind is advising me to start applying now than waiting untill august.I am a novice on the dental admission process but i try to check all the schools admission requirement.I will like to see how i do on the DAT first before i apply-do you sense some hesitant there?.What say you? any advice?.
I typed a long response to your questions, and suddenly I lost it after clicking "Post Quick Reply"... unfortunately, I can't type it all again, as I have to run.

I will try to post my reply again, as soon as I get another chance to do so.

Enjoy your weekend.

Mo

Applying early is always the best bet, you can always submit your DAT scores later. The reason is to avoid the heavy traffic period (August to November) during the cycle, when most applicants apply.

Note, schools will not review your application until they get your DAT scores (assuming that you have submitted everything else).

Make sure you do well on your DAT in August, as a re-take will only become available to you after 90 days of your previous attempt. If that becomes the case, you will be set back to November, and by then - most applicants have been interviewed, schools secured 75% of their students, and the competition gets tough. The Kaplan course will have all you need to achieve good scores on the DAT, and in the end you will know if you are ready or not. ;)

In the meantime, before your Kaplan course, try to get LORs from your college professors/dentist, plus college transcripts together, and then apply as soon as you have them ready.

Good Luck

Hello everyone,
I had stumbled across this thread 3 months ago but I haven't had a chance to post anything yet until today. I am taking my DAT on July 7th inshallah..I dont have much time left. I am sure some of you can relate to the pressure. Dawngs, you asked for an opinion on how to best prepare for the DAT ( I will definitely post again after I see my scores as well), this is the resources I am using now:

1) I havn't taken any Kaplan course but I am using the Book (the Blue book as it is commonly called) and it is very extensive review for most sciences (maybe it lacks a little in biology but i will be able to tell only when I take the exam). It is detailed and well written.
2) I am using TopScore which is the one of the few software that is the closest to the Real Thing. It is very good for stimulating the students mentally for the amount of hours they are sitting and so on.
3) I am using schaum's biology and chemistry books as a guide on the side of Kaplan incase Kaplan have missed somethings.
4) And since I am poor at math, I am using a lot of different math exercise books like ones that are used for the GRE, GMAT and SAT.

The advice I got the most was practise, practise and practise....I just dont know how true it is yet....but I do know that practise makes you (almost) perfect. Good Luck to All...and wish me luck as well...

Good Luck with the DAT Hadiya, another dental applicant, cool.

Sounds like you are ready to ace it, especially with Topscore giving you an indication on how likely you will be able to perform on the actual test.

It's true that Practising is the key, I studied for 3 months on-and-off, and managed to get 18's and 19's, I wished I studied and practised little more to get me 20+. The test is all about to test your memory, as you have all the notes from the Kaplan book and other sources. Usually, new topics don't come up in the real thing, maybe some upper-level genetics.

Dawg is in the south (Giorgia i think), am in (Massachusetts), where are you?

- Mohamed

Thank You Candidate. You are right, the DAT does test our memory and the more we remember, the better chance we have doing better. I am not getting the scores I want in the practise tests yet. I keep getting 17s and 18s, but I am not realy worried because I have time to do better and I have been told that topscore and kaplan tests are harder than the real DAT. The only one I am actually corcerned about is the PAT which I think I need more practise in.
Candidate, What college do (did) you attend in Mass? I was planning to apply to Tufts, what can you tell me about that school? Besides what dental schools are you and dawgs applying to and when? Until then.....

I forgot to mention that I live in Tennessee.

I forgot to mention that I live in Tennessee.
Hey Hadiya

I think you will find that the PAT is purely based on Practise, it's like a technique you have to master. I achieved 18 on this section before, but the concensus within pre-dental students is that you are either good at this section, or not. It's definetly to do with our 3D perception, I think people who are in engineering or architecture fields can ace this section without studying for it. Unfortunately, for the rest of us - we just have to learn this from scratch and master it :idea: .

If you are keeping getting 17's and 18's on Topscore, you are fine, usually people who get these scores on the practise tests, end up with 19's and 20's on the actual test. So, I wouldn't worry too much, just focus on your TS and AA scores the most, the PAT will take care of itself in the end. I have seen a lot people who got away with 15's on the PAT, but their TS and AA were within the national average.

Actually, I moved from Ohio, attended Ohio State for my undergrad, and moved to Boston for a job here. Tufts is a premier school :thumbup: , I would definetly consider this school, with it's high-tech facilities and it's location (down-town Boston). Tufts is great for clinical skills, and they attract students from all over the country and the world, probably the most diverse school in the country. I went there for a tour, met with the Director of Admission there (very nice guy), the whole school is basically compromised of one building in China-town, right next to Tufts Medical School (there is a bridge that connects both schools, and they share a library too). The only down-side was the school's class size, one of the largest in the country (not as bad as NYU though), and the tuition is very high (it's a private school.... in Boston! :eek: ). Boston weather is not the best weather in the world, their winter is a REAL winter, very heavy snow and sub-zero temperatures :scared: . Other than that, it's an excellent school, there are even workshops available towards the end of the DMD program, for those who want to take the western boards ( for people who want to practise in California). Also, the school has very strong contacts with other schools across the country, this might help for specialties. I will be applying to Tufts no doubt, but I wouldn't say it's my #1 school, as I am trying to get the best tuition deal my stats can get me. :rolleyes:

I want to re-take my DAT in August/September hopefully, and raise my scores to 20+ (which I feel I can do). If I achieve that (along with my 3.5 GPA), then I can safely apply to UConn, UOP, UPenn, Columbia, Louisville, Ohio State, UMichigan, and Nova (I love Florida! :cool: ).

How about you, what schools do you have in mind?

Take care

Hey Hadiya

I think you will find that the PAT is purely based on Practise, it's like a technique you have to master. I achieved 18 on this section before, but the concensus within pre-dental students is that you are either good at this section, or not. It's definetly to do with our 3D perception, I think people who are in engineering or architecture fields can ace this section without studying for it. Unfortunately, for the rest of us - we just have to learn this from scratch and master it :idea: .

If you are keeping getting 17's and 18's on Topscore, you are fine, usually people who get these scores on the practise tests, end up with 19's and 20's on the actual test. So, I wouldn't worry too much, just focus on your TS and AA scores the most, the PAT will take care of itself in the end. I have seen a lot people who got away with 15's on the PAT, but their TS and AA were within the national average.

Actually, I moved from Ohio, attended Ohio State for my undergrad, and moved to Boston for a job here. Tufts is a premier school :thumbup: , I would definetly consider this school, with it's high-tech facilities and it's location (down-town Boston). Tufts is great for clinical skills, and they attract students from all over the country and the world, probably the most diverse school in the country. I went there for a tour, met with the Director of Admission there (very nice guy), the whole school is basically compromised of one building in China-town, right next to Tufts Medical School (there is a bridge that connects both schools, and they share a library too). The only down-side was the school's class size, one of the largest in the country (not as bad as NYU though), and the tuition is very high (it's a private school.... in Boston! :eek: ). Boston weather is not the best weather in the world, their winter is a REAL winter, very heavy snow and sub-zero temperatures :scared: . Other than that, it's an excellent school, there are even workshops available towards the end of the DMD program, for those who want to take the western boards ( for people who want to practise in California). Also, the school has very strong contacts with other schools across the country, this might help for specialties. I will be applying to Tufts no doubt, but I wouldn't say it's my #1 school, as I am trying to get the best tuition deal my stats can get me. :rolleyes:

I want to re-take my DAT in August/September hopefully, and raise my scores to 20+ (which I feel I can do). If I achieve that (along with my 3.5 GPA), then I can safely apply to UConn, UOP, UPenn, Columbia, Louisville, Ohio State, UMichigan, and Nova (I love Florida! :cool: ).

How about you, what schools do you have in mind?

Take care


Thanks for the advice candidate. I appreciate it. I will concentrate on all sections and after some practise PAT will follow inshallah. I do prefer schools that have good programs in clinics and who has pretty helpful stuff and students as well as that will not break my bank account. My choice of schools are Meharry (since it is so close to home as well as they have good clinical background), Liousville, University of Tennessee, University of Iowa, University of Illinois, Tufts and all that follow. I will definitely first choose a less expensive school and I would like to be in a warmer place. I do not get along with winters, a real southern I guess. My GPA is 3.4 and If I do well on my DAT, i will have nothing to worry about. Are you going to apply for scholarships or depend only on loans? Like you can see from my post, I am pretty concerned about that big debt :( I will post more later....have fun

Hadiya

Good selection of schools, as there is no official dental school ranking, I think you are making a safe bet with all of them.

Typically, you will find a good tuition deal with your state school, or find a state school in another state who offers in-state tuition after your 1st year of dental school (UNC, OSU and UConn are few who make this offer, but to get into these schools as an out-stater, it's very competitive).

There is an AADSAS publication for minority students applying to dental schools, and this guide contains a number of scholarships available to minorities in general. It will also tell you which schools offer (academic/minority) scholarships, and how to enquire about them. Other features include; what it's like to pay-back your debts, interests involved, etc. Also in this guide, you will find graduated dental students who share their financial experiences during and after dental school. Call AADSAS, or check this site Opportunities for Minority Students in United States Dental Schools (https://www2.adea.org/members/cgi-bin/web_store_frame.cgi?usefuldummy=&page=outlet_frontpage_db.html&cart_id=9702758_2512&search_request_button=13) for more info. For $10, it's a great deal. :thumbup:

I will first focus on getting into a school of my choice at this point, I will then move on to finding any scholarship I can get hold-of. There are endless ways of finding private scholarships, I think that will take-care of itself once you get into a school first. Again, the AADSAS guide talks great deal about this topic.

Hey, if you have any questions regarding DAT (in any subject), or the admission process in general, let me know.

- Mohamed

Hadiya

Good selection of schools, as there is no official dental school ranking, I think you are making a safe bet with all of them.

Typically, you will find a good tuition deal with your state school, or find a state school in another state who offers in-state tuition after your 1st year of dental school (UNC, OSU and UConn are few who make this offer, but to get into these schools as an out-stater, it's very competitive).

There is an AADSAS publication for minority students applying to dental schools, and this guide contains a number of scholarships available to minorities in general. It will also tell you which schools offer (academic/minority) scholarships, and how to enquire about them. Other features include; what it's like to pay-back your debts, interests involved, etc. Also in this guide, you will find graduated dental students who share their financial experiences during and after dental school. Call AADSAS, or check this site Opportunities for Minority Students in United States Dental Schools (https://www2.adea.org/members/cgi-bin/web_store_frame.cgi?usefuldummy=&page=outlet_frontpage_db.html&cart_id=9702758_2512&search_request_button=13) for more info. For $10, it's a great deal. :thumbup:

I will first focus on getting into a school of my choice at this point, I will then move on to finding any scholarship I can get hold-of. There are endless ways of finding private scholarships, I think that will take-care of itself once you get into a school first. Again, the AADSAS guide talks great deal about this topic.

Hey, if you have any questions regarding DAT (in any subject), or the admission process in general, let me know.

- Mohamed

Hi Mohamed,
Thanks for the scholarship advice. I am going to look into it as soon as I get done with my DAT. It is a wise choice that you want to focus getting into a dental school that you chose. Some say "If you are working towards your dream, no matter the obstacles(financial in this case), you have to find a way to overcome and achieve your goals." Whenever I think about the loans, I try to think positive and that it will be worth it inshallah.
I think I have mentioned before that I am weak in math and general chemistry because it involves calculations and this is it because I am used to working with calculators (like many others I am sure). I know the formulas and how to use them. I have absolutely no problem with the rules and ways of doing math except the calculations. When I am dividing, i start of using long methods and my fear is that I will run off time during the exam. In my practise exams, I am not doing too bad, but I definitely want to do better and score higher than 20. I believe that this is my weakness and when I have asked others, they said practise is the key. If you know short cuts ( or have a source) to do divisions of large numbers, let me know please. You have already been a great help in advising, thank you. Did you register for the DAT yet and are you studying?Take Care

Hadiya...

DAT Maths is a lot of Algebra, if you have taken Maths classes lately, you should be fine. I noticed that Maths problems is all about concepts, once you know them, you should be familiar with problems and get around them with a solution. Obviously, this means knowing all the different concepts and be able to apply to them to the right problem, so the more concepts you know, the better. Most DAT problems are word problems, so you have to develop a quick method to translate them to numbers to get the solution (hence you get a pencil and a blank sheet of paper in the real test), you are not expected to just to rely on doing calculations in your head, you are expected to know the steps or short-cuts... in other-words, practise with a lot of problems. :D

When I took the DAT last round, I used the sheets of papers I was provided with for almost all of the questions, even if the answer was an obvious one, I would make sure it was correct on paper :rolleyes: ... always use the time allocated for each question, rushing can lead to a bad out-come in that section. My tip is, skip any question you are stuck on, and come-back to it in the end... that way, you make sure you tackled the questions you could handle first.

I didn't register for the DAT yet, because I am not in the states right now, I am in London for a summer-break. However, I should be able do so by August, and hopefully take it no later than September (inshallah). At the moment, I haven't started studying for the topics yet, but scheduled to do so in couple of weeks... that should be fun! :sleep:

My strongest subjects are the Ochem and Inorganic... My major was in Biochemistry. I always find the Reading comprehension section the trickiest on the DAT (maybe it's because I can't find myself intersted in the topics that come-up in that section so easily), that's an area I need to improve on anywayz.

Enjoy

Hadiya...

DAT Maths is a lot of Algebra, if you have taken Maths classes lately, you should be fine. I noticed that Maths problems is all about concepts, once you know them, you should be familiar with problems and get around them with a solution. Obviously, this means knowing all the different concepts and be able to apply to them to the right problem, so the more concepts you know, the better. Most DAT problems are word problems, so you have to develop a quick method to translate them to numbers to get the solution (hence you get a pencil and a blank sheet of paper in the real test), you are not expected to just to rely on doing calculations in your head, you are expected to know the steps or short-cuts... in other-words, practise with a lot of problems. :D

When I took the DAT last round, I used the sheets of papers I was provided with for almost all of the questions, even if the answer was an obvious one, I would make sure it was correct on paper :rolleyes: ... always use the time allocated for each question, rushing can lead to a bad out-come in that section. My tip is, skip any question you are stuck on, and come-back to it in the end... that way, you make sure you tackled the questions you could handle first.

I didn't register for the DAT yet, because I am not in the states right now, I am in London for a summer-break. However, I should be able do so by August, and hopefully take it no later than September (inshallah). At the moment, I haven't started studying for the topics yet, but scheduled to do so in couple of weeks... that should be fun! :sleep:

My strongest subjects are the Ochem and Inorganic... My major was in Biochemistry. I always find the Reading comprehension section the trickiest on the DAT (maybe it's because I can't find myself intersted in the topics that come-up in that section so easily), that's an area I need to improve on anywayz.

Enjoy

Hey,
The method I use when I don't know a questions is guess and mark ofcourse and move on until I finish the rest...that is how I do the PAT and it seems like a good method. My strongest subject is biology which I score the highest. My major is biology but I personally love chemistry more than biology. I have always enjoyed my chemistry classes especially Organic chemistry. I think the most interesting course anybody can take (depending on the professor ofcourse). I got lucky that I had a very good teacher who was just passionate about his subject. You have a great time in london, I am sure you need it before you focus on DAT. Take Care

Did you shadow at a dental office yet?

Did you shadow at a dental office yet?

I am not planning to apply until september because I am planning to shadow in July and august. I already work in the health field (even though it is not a dental office). I have been working as a pharmacy tech for the past year and half. What about you? have you shadowed? take care.

I am not planning to apply until september because I am planning to shadow in July and august. I already work in the health field (even though it is not a dental office). I have been working as a pharmacy tech for the past year and half. What about you? have you shadowed? take care.
The reason I asked was to see whether you enjoyed it or not.

Yes, I did shadow last year for about 30 hours. I want to do it again, so I can get the edge for dental office questions that usually come up during interviews. :D

How's the DAT practise coming along? - feel free to ask any questions on the DAT.

Where are you guys hiding? :D

4th of July holidays keeping you busy?

Oh my GOD, It is realy good to know I have fellow countrymen:clap: .



Nabadgalyo( sorry for my atrocious spelling:S)

Countrywomen also bro!

New on the site and I was pleasantly surprised to say the least when I ran across this thread. :clap: Yaaay, Somali doctors and dentists, yaay.

Ok introductions it is. I'm currently doing my undergraduate degree in Medical Sciences in Canada, hopefully applying for med. school the end of next year iA. I'm guessing that most of you are Americans, which is great but are there any Canadians around?*chirp chirp* :laugh:

Anyways I must say its awful good to see my people, oh and no I'm not that isolated from other Somalis, just a tad bit.

Hope to see you dudes/duddettes around the boards.

wsalam

Welcome Fortune.

wlc. It is good to see more somalis join these threads. Are the medical and dental schools in canada similar to the US ones? Are they four years and do you have to have undergrad to get into med school?
I have taken my DAT before 2 days. It was alright...i did well in all except Math. I was kind of expecting that with Math, but my mistake was I didnt work harder in math than the rest. I put alot of stress in sciences but my hard work paid off. Here are my scores anyway:
Bio 19
General Chem 18
Organic chem 18
Reading 17
PAT 17
QRT 15
AA 17
Total science 18

I think I am going to go ahead and apply with these scores and see if I get it through. If not, I will retake it. I have to go to summer school and I do not think i can put my mind to the test again. I am just burnt out. If you guys have any questions or comments on what might be on the DAT (esp Candidate cause I know you are getting ready to take it), let me know. Take Care...All the Best.

Yea the medical schools in Canada are pretty much the same as in the states. We do a lot more problem-based learning in Canadian schools, I think, correct me if I'm wrong. You can apply to med school with a min. of 3 years undergrad but most prefer 4 yr completion. The only other difference is we have so few in Canada that it is extremely competitive.

Yea the medical schools in Canada are pretty much the same as in the states. We do a lot more problem-based learning in Canadian schools, I think, correct me if I'm wrong. You can apply to med school with a min. of 3 years undergrad but most prefer 4 yr completion. The only other difference is we have so few in Canada that it is extremely competitive.

In here too, they prefer a bachelor degree. Unless you are a genius and have had a long set plan, no-one gets in in their third year. Even though we have many schools, it is so competitive that we will feel there isnt alot.

Here are my scores anyway:
Bio 19
General Chem 18
Organic chem 18
Reading 17
PAT 17
QRT 15
AA 17
Total science 18

Good Job! - I think you will be fine with those scores, depending which scools you apply to - check their average stats, and see if your scores fit.

I currently have similar stats, although you did better in the Bio and the RC (which I found the hardest sections), I have higher scores in Ochem and Inorganic - and considering to re-take the DAT in September.

You have the DAT behind you, now move on to the rest of the requirements. :thumbup:

When are you thinking of applying?

- mo

Good Job! - I think you will be fine with those scores, depending which scools you apply to - check their average stats, and see if your scores fit.

I currently have similar stats, although you did better in the Bio and the RC (which I found the hardest sections), I have higher scores in Ochem and Inorganic - and considering to re-take the DAT in September.

You have the DAT behind you, now move on to the rest of the requirements. :thumbup:

When are you thinking of applying?

- mo

Thanks Candidate. I have studied quite alot of Bio and maybe that is why I got the highest score in it. I utilised Kaplan Blue book and some of Campbell (which is very detailed, i didnt have time to go into it all). The Bio section was all over the place. To be honest, it was the hardest section of the DAT. It tested on so many things and their qs were very specific for example, what feature made the reptiles adapt into land that the amphibians did not have? Another question was when can you tell genotypically the sex of a mammal?
and the RC section was not like the practise tests. I could not easily get the answers. I got passages like Magnesium and Cardiovascular Diseases. The lucky thing is I got all health passages. Anyway, I will write more when I get off work about where I will be applying and when. Take Care

Good Job! - I think you will be fine with those scores, depending which scools you apply to - check their average stats, and see if your scores fit.

I currently have similar stats, although you did better in the Bio and the RC (which I found the hardest sections), I have higher scores in Ochem and Inorganic - and considering to re-take the DAT in September.

You have the DAT behind you, now move on to the rest of the requirements. :thumbup:

When are you thinking of applying?

- mo

Hi again,
I am going to apply Meharry, UT, Tufts, UK, University of Liousville and I am still looking into more. I would like to know your comments about these universities and their programs. I definitely like University of Tennessee because of the very low tuition ($12,000/yr), who can beat that? I am also looking into programs that might get me involved in research. I like research and I think it has alot of potential in dentistry (much more than people usually think of when they think dentist). So i am going to re-evaluate my lists couple of times before I apply and I am going to apply atleast 7 schools because I do not want to miss the 2006 cycle for whatever reason. I am going to start shadowing this week and work on my application. I will send the applications latest by mid-august. Let me know how your studies are going. Are you back from London yet? Take Care

Hi again,
I am going to apply Meharry, UT, Tufts, UK, University of Liousville and I am still looking into more. I would like to know your comments about these universities and their programs. I definitely like University of Tennessee because of the very low tuition ($12,000/yr), who can beat that? I am also looking into programs that might get me involved in research. I like research and I think it has alot of potential in dentistry (much more than people usually think of when they think dentist). So i am going to re-evaluate my lists couple of times before I apply and I am going to apply atleast 7 schools because I do not want to miss the 2006 cycle for whatever reason. I am going to start shadowing this week and work on my application. I will send the applications latest by mid-august. Let me know how your studies are going. Are you back from London yet? Take Care

Hadiya,

In my opinion, I think you have a good shot at UT, and their average stats are; (2003-2004) GPA:3.39, Sci:3.28, DAT AA:18 DAT PAT:16, instate-tuition for 4 years:$71,356. It's also the best deal for you out of the rest, plus you might want to stay close to home and save yourself from the expenses of living away. Other than that, I haven't heard much about UT. I think you need to personally visit the school before applying, and try to get an idea of their program/facility/faculty, you can do this by arranging a tour with someone in the admissions. If you do so, it will also give you the oppertunitty for them to comment on your stats/qualifications, every school has different set of criterias to consider applicants. Another advantage at UT is that you are a resident of TN, state schools put a lot of emphasis on resident applicants, it's a duty required by the state. Other than that, I don't know what it's like living in TN, I love big cities, so I would only go to a small city school for tuition purposes only.

UK might be the most competitve school for you. Again, similar stats to UT, but they enroll about 55 students, and only about 30% of those student are non-residents - meaning more competitive, higher stats needed to be successful. The cost of the 4 yrs for non-residents is $222,950 (2003-2004).

If you apply to Meharry, I think it will be the easiest to get in out of the lot. Class size is around 50, 80% are non-residents, their average stats is one of the lowest in the nation (due to the school being a predominantly black school). It's a private school, so no preferance given to any applicant, with a price tag of $182,898 (2003-2004). I think you will have no problem on getting into this school.

Louisville is one of my favorites. I visited the school last March, and I think it's a well rounded school, and constantly ranks in the top 5 in the NDBE 2 (meaning, they have a really good clinical program). The director of the program invested a lot of money in the school's facility, so students train in high-tech environment (sim-labs). Again, in Kentucky, big class size (81), 40% non-residents, with national average stats (3.4GPA, 3.3Sci, DAT18's). The only weird thing about thi