Originally Posted by mclinkin94 (Post 12450371)

Legally I am a Caucasian male and I can be confused as being a Caucasian. But I am Egyptian, my parents were born in Egypt ( I was born in the United States). Egypt is in Africa, So can I consider myself African American and be a URM? My father actually looks African American. I somewhat do, but I am confused as being of European origin.

Will the Medical School staff have a problem with this-especially the interviewers. My first language was not english-it is arabic and then I learned english and My family is very very poor.

Am I a URM? or Can i be?

Originally Posted by maybemed2013 (Post 12450389)

No. URM states African American but what they really mean is Black...my friend is Egyptians and she ask my uni medical school (FAU COM) and they told her to check other and type Egyptian.

Originally Posted by LizzyM (Post 12450400)

The AMCAS category is African-American/Black. If you are from Canada and Black (yes, there is such a thing) you are Black but not African-American.

Originally Posted by mclinkin94 (Post 12450371)

Legally I am a Caucasian male and I can be confused as being a Caucasian.

Am I a URM? or Can i be?

Originally Posted by chiddler (Post 12450439)

Is it better to tick caucasian or other/middle-eastern?

Originally Posted by serenade (Post 12450659)

What about Afrikanners?

Originally Posted by Poetic Silence (Post 12450528)

Here's a little tip: when it comes to URM, medical schools want to see one of three minorities: Native Americans, Hispanic Americans and blacks. The reason behind this is clear: these minorities are more likely to provide their services to their ethnic communities. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is not a large Egyptian community in this country that you feel emotionally bonded to and wish to serve exclusively as a doctor.

Take a look at the bigger picture.

Originally Posted by gaystains (Post 12450697)

Clearly Afrikaan-Amerikaan

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Originally Posted by serenade (Post 12450752)

Half my family is Eastern African, there's not a big community of them either. None of the doctors in my family work with in black communities and are mostly Soviet trained specialists/ intellectuals and related to the Royal family of Ethopia. They relate more with whites and the Jewish community in the US. Do you think they should have URM status or should that only apply to African-Americans with deeper roots in the US? Obviously this isn't supposed to set a precedent, but hey food for thought.

Originally Posted by serenade (Post 12450752)

Half my family is Eastern African, there's not a big community of them either. None of the doctors in my family work with in black communities and are mostly Soviet trained specialists/ intellectuals and related to the Royal family of Ethopia. They relate more with whites and the Jewish community in the US. Do you think they should have URM status or should that only apply to African-Americans with deeper roots in the US? Obviously this isn't supposed to set a precedent, but hey food for thought.

Originally Posted by Thego2guy (Post 12450723)

Perhaps you are on a troll roll today.
Only a matter of time till mods close this duplicate thread.

Originally Posted by mclinkin94 (Post 12450712)

I am Egyptian. What happens if I put Af American in my application? What will they do? deny?

Originally Posted by jesse120 (Post 12450849)

yes put it. see what happens and report back :thumbup:

Originally Posted by rblgenius (Post 12450859)

I listed myself as native american.

All you gotta do is be sure to know a name of a reservation for your interviews and your golden.

also, REFUSE ALL BLOOD TESTS AND NEEDLES THEY MAY TRY TO STICK IN YOU.

it works brah

Originally Posted by mclinkin94 (Post 12450833)

I havent got the answer I wanted. :mad:

Originally Posted by gaystains (Post 12450588)

I am a descendant of now-extinct Neanderthals but I was born in America and have never spoken to them. Can I claim URM? Adcoms may be confused because I don't have that forehead thing going on, and I'm not that hairy.

I marked Neanderthal-American on my college apps, if that helps.

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Originally Posted by gaystains (Post 12450697)

Clearly Afrikaan-Amerikaan

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Originally Posted by mclinkin94 (Post 12450833)

I havent got the answer I wanted. :mad:

Originally Posted by Neurosis (Post 12450778)

I think that Africans in general have some kind of disdain towards American blacks. most of my entire family (western africans) dislike being associated with AAs. No idea as to why.

Originally Posted by gaystains (Post 12450588)

I am a descendant of now-extinct Neanderthals but I was born in America and have never spoken to them. Can I claim URM? Adcoms may be confused because I don't have that forehead thing going on, and I'm not that hairy.

I marked Neanderthal-American on my college apps, if that helps.

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Originally Posted by maybemed2013 (Post 12450902)

Sorry you didnt get the answer you want but it is what it is..you only want to put African american on your amcas to get the URM boost..but you can not put african american on your amcas....when you go to the interview you will look like a dumbass if you do... Egyptians are NOT what Americans consider African -American they are consider Caucasians / white/ middle easterners.

If you know your history you would know your ancestors migrated to Egypt and are therefore not true Africans.... there are people of European descent in South Africa and they are classified as white/ caucasian... if a black person moves to Japan are they now Asian

Originally Posted by Rumalum (Post 12450949)

False. humans did not descend from Neanderthals. the current line of thinking is that neanderthals were a separate lineage

Originally Posted by Rumalum (Post 12450949)

False. humans did not descend from Neanderthals. the current line of thinking is that neanderthals were a separate lineage

Originally Posted by Poetic Silence (Post 12450528)

Here's a little tip: when it comes to URM, medical schools want to see one of three minorities: Native Americans, Hispanic Americans and blacks. The reason behind this is clear: these minorities are more likely to provide their services to their ethnic communities. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is not a large Egyptian community in this country that you feel emotionally bonded to and wish to serve exclusively as a doctor.

Take a look at the bigger picture.

Originally Posted by serenade (Post 12450752)

Half my family is Eastern African, there's not a big community of them either. None of the doctors in my family work with in black communities and are mostly Soviet trained specialists/ intellectuals and related to the Royal family of Ethopia. They relate more with whites and the Jewish community in the US. Do you think they should have URM status or should that only apply to African-Americans with deeper roots in the US? Obviously this isn't supposed to set a precedent, but hey food for thought.

Originally Posted by Marge (Post 12451374)

Just out of curiosity, is there evidence to support this claim? Similarly, my state med school has a program that guarantees admission to "scholars" from rural parts of the state. Obviously the logic is the same, i.e., presumably they are more likely to return to a rural area to practice. I'm curious if this is just PC BS or if there is actually some truth behind it.

Originally Posted by Poetic Silence (Post 12451665)

I believe there are more than a few agendas to fill, and it certainly varies by school, but this is clearly a heavy pro used for justifying the recruitment of certain URM's.

Originally Posted by Marge (Post 12451717)

The policy is fine with me. I'm just curious if the reasons they typically give are legit. I live in a Midwest state. The students from rural parts of the state are invariably white. If these students don't go on to practice in a rural area, then the justification for the program is bogus. That doesn't mean the program is bogus, it just means they need to come up with a better reason for it.

Originally Posted by LizzyM (Post 12451787)

Two things Marge:

One is that the student from a rural area brings a point of view that may not be obvious to those who were born in raised in large cities or densely populated areas. How far does one drive to purchase a quart of milk? see a primary care provider? a dentist? have surgery? see an orthodontist? The responses might surprise some city folk who have no concept of the life style of those who live in remote areas.

The second is that if someone is going to practice medicine in an underserved rural area over the long haul (not just a couple years to pay off loans), it is most likley to be someone who has lived in such an area in the past and is familiar with that way of life and the culture of the place and who has an affection for it. The alternative is often an immigrant/foreign medical graduate who is happy to practice anywhere and who ends up shunted to an area that is deemed undesirable but native born, US medical school graduates who have no ties to Small Hamlet, USA and no desire to live and work in such a cow town.

Originally Posted by Marge (Post 12451978)

For the first, I would say that that perspective is only relevant if the student will then go back to practice. I mean, my state's only medical school specifically guarantees slots for people from rural XX (enter state initials). That's a big deal especially for those of us who grew up in small (<25,000) towns in predominantly rural/agricultural counties, so we have some understanding of rural life yet are from a "big" city. Anyway, if they don't end up practicing in rural XX, then their geographic background is only as unique as anyone else's. In other words, there would have to be a program that tries to bring in students from wealthy suburbs, from low-income exurbs, from communities with a population between 25,000 and 50,000, etc.

Your second point is actually what I want to verify. What you say is logical and intutitive, but that doesn't necessarily make it true (it probably is, but I would like to see the data).

Originally Posted by serenade (Post 12450972)

There is extensive data to show that Cro-Magnon and Neanderthals interbreed to the point that a few percent of your genome will be directly Neanderthal, maybe even some humans have mitochondrial DNA from them.

Originally Posted by PancakeSorting (Post 12452134)

Well, as far as we currently know, we also only make use of about 2% of our genome and around 10% has been shown to come from viruses.

So we're all related to viruses as well. :) Doesn't mean we descended from them (although that IS up for debate- did viruses arise from early cellular organisms or did early cellular organisms arise from viruses? Right now, most scientists refuse to include viruses on the ToL so it is what it is)