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Originally Posted by Gastrapathy
No amount of recruiting will bring back the applicant pool of the 80s and 90s. A decade of war, AHLTA, Tricare, truth in advertising (SDN), and a host of other issues have left us here. I'm sorry you're offended but the stats don't lie. Watch the board pass rates of the last couple of years/next few years for the noncompetitive specialties. Our current applicant quality is a huge problem. The mean GPA and MCAT for HPSP acceptees from 2008 are not competitive numbers for an average allopathic school.
The problem with all of these A versus B discussions is that person A hasn't joined the .mil in years.
Add to that the fact that you can't fail everyone (or really almost anyone), and you are left with a system with doctors that I wouldn't want taking care of me or my family.
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Im not offended by what your saying and I agree that the standards are too low...I have seen first hand some people who should not have received the scholarship. I also recognize that the majority of these students are probably at DO schools. Im not denying that. I am bothered by lumping all students together as incompetent based on their degree or the school.
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Originally Posted by narcusprince
I want to make this clear this is not a DO vs MD argument. I have served with and recruited stellar DO's for my residency program. This is an argument that the .mil is disproportionally taking students from RVU the only for profit, stafford loan less, school in the country. I wonder if RVU sends out acceptances earlier than most MD or DO programs in order to secure scholarships earlier?
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Well that's the way your last post came off. Here are some numbers of military matched students...this may not include those that were civilian deferred but its probably a good representation:
ATSU-SOMA 6 5.7%
DMUCOM 16 6.8%
GA-PCOM 8 9.0%
KCOM 12 7.1%
KCUMBCOM 15 5.4%
LECOM 10 3.5%
LECOM-BRAD 12 7.5%
LMU-DCOM 13 8.5%
MSUCOM 6 2.6%
MWU-AZCOM 13 5.3%
MWU-CCOM 9 4.9%
NSUCOM 18 6.8%
NYCOM 12 3.7%
OSUCOM 3 3.1%
OUCOM 13 10.6%
PCOM 10 3.4%
PNWUCOM 7 9.9%
RVUCOM 17 13.2%
TOUROCOM 5 3.6%
TUCOM-CA 6 3.9%
TUNCOM 14 8.6%
UMDNJSOM 3 2.5%
UNECOM 12 8.9%
UNTHSCTCOM 10 5.7%
UP-KYCOM 1 1.4%
VCOM 17 8.4%
WESTUCOMP 6 2.6%
WVSOM 15 8.0%
TOTALS: 289 5.8%
The military is taking willing students, regardless of where they come from. Again, I agree they should raise the standards but it doesn't do any good to bash individual schools. If that's your goal go join in on the premed forums.