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Member 348832 · 04-12-2012, 05:34 PM

Regardless of what needs a person has, you fundamentally cannot call a "right" something that would be violated constantly without the intervention of another person.

For instance, say there existed no doctors (ie, tribal areas, third world countries), their rights would be in a state of perpetual violation.

If you want to say someone has a fundamental right to something by nature of being alive, that's fine, and as a civilized society that's something that is required for harmony, but for the reasons I just said, health care isn't one of them. You don't have the right to be healthy, you don't have the right to a job, you don't have the right to anything but life, liberty and property, and those can be taken away if you violate the rights of another as per our constitution.

Another persons medical problems do not entitle them to my labor or my livelihood. If you truly think it does, I would expect you to additionally be in favor of mandatory drafts to aid people in areas of natural disaster. What's that? Hurricane? Sorry, buddy, I don't care that you have a job and other things you'd rather be doing, these people are in need and you're now required by law to aid them...

Please don't mistake this for a lack of sympathy or empathy. I don't come from an entitled home, and have given several paychecks to my sister and brother-in-law to help them pay for medical bills when my nieces needed help.

At the same time, I don't expect nor do I think it's the governments role to put a gun to someone's head or threaten them with jail time if they don't step in and help my sister out.

This is life, and it isn't fair to everyone, otherwise we'd all be Lebron James.

I have absolutely no problem with helping a person in need, and I am looking forward to being able to assist people who need medical help when I have the capacity for it, but don't take that to mean that I think it's their right.

After 200 thousand in debt, years away from my family and not being able to spend the time I want with them, more years of residency, no...nobody has a right to my service. As a matter of fact, it is entirely my right after I become a DPM to decide that I don't want to be a physician, and instead be a stocker at Best Buy again. Should the government step in and force me to practice if there becomes a shortage of doctors? I don't see how you could oppose that, but I do and will.

No, health care is not an entitlement, it's not a right, it's a service provided by a person who deserves compensation for their work, and has no obligation but to themselves and whatever guild they decide to join.

I definitely get tired of people acting as though they're more sympathetic than me, or that I've been coddled, or that I'm not sympathetic to my fellow man or somehow a lesser person because they think they're charitable and kind by forcing someone else to give their life (ie, time), acting as though their forced and legislated demands for charity are in fact charitable. It's not charity, it's just coercion.

Insurance is also not a right. It's a service provided by a company that is out to make money. It's a gamble on your part, and in fact they use some of the same statistical measures to determine premiums as Vegas. Demanding insurance companies provide everyone, regardless of preexisting conditions, with health care without raising premiums past a ceiling is in effect the same thing as heading to Vegas and altering slots in the favor of customers. There would be no Vegas, and there will be no insurance companies. Don't like it? Don't get insurance.

It's annoying that people expect trillions of dollars to be spent researching health care to find the best procedures, diagnostic tools and equipment, and then also expect the service to be free or cheap. If you want cheap service, go to a place with cheap equipment and outdated tools and practices, and you'll get your money's worth. Or, just maybe, don't buy that new iPad, new car, that house you can't afford and that Xbox for your kids, and you'll have the money when you need it.

04-12-2012, 05:34 PM	#7
Member 348832 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 426	Regardless of what needs a person has, you fundamentally cannot call a "right" something that would be violated constantly without the intervention of another person. For instance, say there existed no doctors (ie, tribal areas, third world countries), their rights would be in a state of perpetual violation. If you want to say someone has a fundamental right to something by nature of being alive, that's fine, and as a civilized society that's something that is required for harmony, but for the reasons I just said, health care isn't one of them. You don't have the right to be healthy, you don't have the right to a job, you don't have the right to anything but life, liberty and property, and those can be taken away if you violate the rights of another as per our constitution. Another persons medical problems do not entitle them to my labor or my livelihood. If you truly think it does, I would expect you to additionally be in favor of mandatory drafts to aid people in areas of natural disaster. What's that? Hurricane? Sorry, buddy, I don't care that you have a job and other things you'd rather be doing, these people are in need and you're now required by law to aid them... Please don't mistake this for a lack of sympathy or empathy. I don't come from an entitled home, and have given several paychecks to my sister and brother-in-law to help them pay for medical bills when my nieces needed help. At the same time, I don't expect nor do I think it's the governments role to put a gun to someone's head or threaten them with jail time if they don't step in and help my sister out. This is life, and it isn't fair to everyone, otherwise we'd all be Lebron James. I have absolutely no problem with helping a person in need, and I am looking forward to being able to assist people who need medical help when I have the capacity for it, but don't take that to mean that I think it's their right. After 200 thousand in debt, years away from my family and not being able to spend the time I want with them, more years of residency, no...nobody has a right to my service. As a matter of fact, it is entirely my right after I become a DPM to decide that I don't want to be a physician, and instead be a stocker at Best Buy again. Should the government step in and force me to practice if there becomes a shortage of doctors? I don't see how you could oppose that, but I do and will. No, health care is not an entitlement, it's not a right, it's a service provided by a person who deserves compensation for their work, and has no obligation but to themselves and whatever guild they decide to join. I definitely get tired of people acting as though they're more sympathetic than me, or that I've been coddled, or that I'm not sympathetic to my fellow man or somehow a lesser person because they think they're charitable and kind by forcing someone else to give their life (ie, time), acting as though their forced and legislated demands for charity are in fact charitable. It's not charity, it's just coercion. Insurance is also not a right. It's a service provided by a company that is out to make money. It's a gamble on your part, and in fact they use some of the same statistical measures to determine premiums as Vegas. Demanding insurance companies provide everyone, regardless of preexisting conditions, with health care without raising premiums past a ceiling is in effect the same thing as heading to Vegas and altering slots in the favor of customers. There would be no Vegas, and there will be no insurance companies. Don't like it? Don't get insurance. It's annoying that people expect trillions of dollars to be spent researching health care to find the best procedures, diagnostic tools and equipment, and then also expect the service to be free or cheap. If you want cheap service, go to a place with cheap equipment and outdated tools and practices, and you'll get your money's worth. Or, just maybe, don't buy that new iPad, new car, that house you can't afford and that Xbox for your kids, and you'll have the money when you need it.