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Old 05-25-2012, 09:11 AM   #1
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Question Change of heart my last year

I apologize in advance for the long post, but some advice would be great!
I am currently going to enter my senior yr for my undergrad studies at my school in NY. My original track was law school and i have taken all the necessary steps to make sure I get into law school, solid GPA, took all the courses offered and then some in the area of concentration, etc. However, recently I've had a change of heart and believe that the Vet field is something I know I will go into and not look back and tell myself "i should've done things differently" because my passion for animals has always been in me, I just never thought about pursuing it because the math and science of it throws me off, hence I never took a calc or even a chemistry course in any of my yrs of hs or college. I know the math and science are what entails to help or make animals better and the well-being of animals is something I believe very strong in, so i'm just going to have to get over my nonsense.
Here is my predicament, I want to know if my best option is to stay another few years at my current school to finish all my pre-reqs to get into Vet school or should I just graduate and then go into a post-bac program for vet studies and then apply to Vet school?
The thing is, I'm trying to go to an in-state vet school bc it's cheaper and the only 1 here is Cornell so I want to take the best possible measures to get in Cornell. I'm not sure whether they'd opt for someone with a BA and then post-bac for all the pre-reqs or someone who stuck it out in their undergrad years to make sure they completed the pre-reqs, etc. Cornell's website doesn't state either preference, they even take students without a BA/BS into their vet program (weird but true) so it's hard to figure out.
I would appreciate feedback from anyone, especially from those who've gone through the same situation. Is adding another number of years to the undergrad studies better than the other?
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1) Don't neccessarily limit yourself to just Cornell. There are a few schools out there where out of state tuition is less than in state at Cornell. There are also schools that let you become a resident after the first year and have wonderfully low in state tuition. As in state schools go Cornell is not the most expensive, but its definitely not hte cheapest either. I can say that when including Cost of living, Oklahoma out of state is cheaper

2) As a "super senior" if you stay on at your current school, you should get first dibs on signing up for classes, which can make it a lot easier to get a schedule that works for you as well as fitting in all the required classes

3) Do you have any experience in veterinary hospitals? Some is required for pretty much all schools. Keep in mind (unless things have changed since I applied) Cornell requires a letter of recommendation for every experience. You will also need letters of recommendation (at least one or two) from vets for the VMCAS application

If you dont have vet experience, I'd recommend starting there ASAP, so you can make sure this field is something you really want to jump into
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:31 AM   #3
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Why not become a lawyer and work on prosecuting animal cruelty, breed specific discrimination, animal welfare, etc? We really need people doing that!
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Why not become a lawyer and work on prosecuting animal cruelty, breed specific discrimination, animal welfare, etc? We really need people doing that!
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@ Bunnity - I considered that field of law for the longest time and would've most likely done because rights and the well-being of animals or humans (when it comes to law) is very important to me. I would consider doing both if I had the patience, time and money for it, but realistically I don't =/
Regardless, I want a more hands on approach when it comes to dealing with animals. Therefore I thought the vet-field was the ideal place for that.
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I'm not sure about Cornell, but the schools I did file reviews with stated that they didn't really care where you did your classes as long as you did well in them. They do factor in academic rigor, so it'll matter where you take it, but I don't think whether you take it as an undergraduate or post-bac matters much -- it's still the same classes at the same college, right?
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:56 AM   #7
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@ missdvm - that's what I'm thinking, but no it's not the same school. For some reason my school offers many things but a post-bac option, so i would have to take it elsewhere, but thats the least of my concern. Hopefully, it doesn't make a difference though...thanks =)
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Would taking all your pre-req's as an undergrad give you something extra? Like an additional biology or chem minor?
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Why not become a lawyer and work on prosecuting animal cruelty, breed specific discrimination, animal welfare, etc? We really need people doing that!
Almost impossible to find a paid position in animal law, unfortunately. Many people who dabble in it do it as their pro-bono work and are lawyers focusing in a different field. I heavily considered pursuing animal law (and actually wrote about it in a supplemental app), but was discouraged by the lack of jobs, high debt and saturation of the field.

For OP: I'd suggest you do the pre-reqs while still enrolled, simply because as a second-bachelors or post-bacc student you often don't have as much access to financial aid and/or course selection. Perhaps take a semester mimicking most pre-vet first semesters (intro bio, intro chem, calc) and see how you fare in the science coursework, while also getting a bit of vet experience on the side.
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Almost impossible to find a paid position in animal law, unfortunately. Many people who dabble in it do it as their pro-bono work and are lawyers focusing in a different field. I heavily considered pursuing animal law (and actually wrote about it in a supplemental app), but was discouraged by the lack of jobs, high debt and saturation of the field.

For OP: I'd suggest you do the pre-reqs while still enrolled, simply because as a second-bachelors or post-bacc student you often don't have as much access to financial aid and/or course selection. Perhaps take a semester mimicking most pre-vet first semesters (intro bio, intro chem, calc) and see how you fare in the science coursework, while also getting a bit of vet experience on the side.
That's too bad... I wish there were more lawyers that could work on BSL right now. It makes sense though that there's no one paying for it.

On topic, I agree with your suggestions... try out the classes and get some experience, and then you can decide whether to really take the plunge.
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@Canhardlywait i agree and yes it definitely is a long road but it will pay off (probably not literally) in the future

@Orca2011 thats what I'm thinking and if it is harder, It just makes more sense to see who actually wants it versus whatever else. However, even if I don't go post-bac it's going to be a very difficult journey with no experience (me =\)

@spinachdip & @nohika Of all the things I looked into, going through more experience wasn't one of them. I believe both of you right. A more in depth experience is what I'm going to push for. Thanks!

@Emiloo4 I didn't know that, don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing

@zusie I can't really say I agree or disagree with your comment. I believe higher learning in its entirety is completely corrupt and obviously overly priced/unnecessary except for the science & math field (which go hand in hand) bc I figure it takes a lot more than reading a book when it comes to science/math so Kudos to all of you (I could say this bc I'm social science/humanities lol)
When it comes to law, I can't really say your right or wrong bc it depends on the individual but yes the majority want pro bono but rarely stick with it their entire career

@squirrelcountry I know -__- but I'm definitely up for the challenge

@emiloo4 I agree, I need to try before I knock it entirely

@trilt the financial aid part is the biggest reason why I'll consider continuing undergrad studies & of course start off like a first year pre-vet but just purely science/math since I'm done with everything else

@bunnity yes, def will do

All of these suggestions & comments were really helpful, thanks everyone
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I have limited experience, the volunteer hours at shelters and at vet offices, things like that. Obviously nothing compared to the experience a pre-vet student would have. As regards to being a super senior, I don't really look it at like I would be a super senior or non-traditional or anything like that, I don't dwell on titles so that's not actually what I care about. I want to know if the better option is to stay at my undergrad school to actually start the pre-reqs or go to a post-bac program. Which option would be better in regards to getting into somewhere like Cornell or any vet-school at all? Of course I would love Cornell bc it's in state and not too far from home for much needed breaks that I know I'm going to have. I read everything and anything in regards to getting in and the process of applying to Cornell vet school but they don't really get into BA/BS versus post-bac for higher chances of getting in or which is preferred. I am full aware of all the steps and requirements I need to take to get apply to any vet-school, I just want to know if anyone could really tell me which way is better, continuing my under-grad or post-bac.
Thanks for the quick response and feedback cowgirla =)
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I saw you said you were a bit concerned about the math and science. Not trying to deter you but most schools put a lot of weight into your science GPA specifically so that's something to keep in mind
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Cornell's website doesn't state either preference, they even take students without a BA/BS into their vet program (weird but true) so it's hard to figure out.
Just so you know, no vet school requires a BA/BS for admission (as far as I know).
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Just so you know, no vet school requires a BA/BS for admission (as far as I know).
uc davis requires a bachelor's now, i'm pretty sure. but, i could be wrong.
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i really encourage you to find a job at an animal hospital, and if you can, work it full time, and really see the in's and out's. that said, remember there are multiple facets of vet med. you might not want to work with small animals, i'm haven't read the entire thread, but for instance, maybe you want to be a food animal vet, or work with wildlife. anyway. just saying vet med is more than the animals, the owners, and medicine....it's also your coworkers, and it's also whats going to be putting food on the table eventually should you decide to continue this route. consider all of the numbers in the equation.

as far as law, my cousin just graduated from law school (not sure of the name of the school, but it's in or near seattle) and she can't find a job, and neither can any of her classmates. i don't know how old you are, but keep in mind vet school and law school both have a crapload of debt attached to the experience and the degree. while being a lawyer can prove to be lucrative, being a veterinarian in most cases will not come close to a lawyer salary, or most other professional careers. professional as in professional school, i mean.

have you ever taken the myers briggs test? something to check out. there are many other ways to help animals, and since you are/were pre-law, i have a feeling that you want to help people, too.

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Old 05-26-2012, 03:40 PM   #17
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Another Q:

Are you planning to apply this upcoming cycle (October 2013?)

If so, you will want to look into classes ASAP. You will probably even need to do summer classes.

If you are planning to apply the year after (October 2014), that would allow you some flexibility in planning, and allow you to get more experience hours, but it would also delay your application/acceptance by a whole year.



Something to think about.
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Old 05-25-2012, 07:02 PM   #18
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I just never thought about pursuing it because the math and science of it throws me off, hence I never took a calc or even a chemistry course in any of my yrs of hs or college.
This statement is concerning. You're going to need to have a strong basis in the sciences to both get in to vet school and to make it out the other side. If math and science have "thrown you off" this might not be the field for you....
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This statement is concerning. You're going to need to have a strong basis in the sciences to both get in to vet school and to make it out the other side. If math and science have "thrown you off" this might not be the field for you....
Yeah, but if the OP shied away from math and science, they may not truly know if they like it or not, or could get through it, or at least tolerate it. So I wouldn't discourage them from at least finding out how they may feel about math and science now.
I would definitely like to add to the others who have said to get experience in the field. For most people, it is nothing like they think it will be, and yes, science is a huge part of it. This is a medical field, not a play with fluffy kitties field (although its not a bad perk ). Get experience, and then decide if this is for you, and if you want to tackle math and science.
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"because my passion for animals has always been in me, I just never thought about pursuing it because the math and science of it throws me off, hence I never took a calc or even a chemistry course in any of my yrs of hs or college. I know the math and science are what entails to help or make animals better and the well-being of animals is something I believe very strong in, so i'm just going to have to get over my nonsense. "

So I think it's great that you are realizing your passion earlier than later. Sure, vet med is about animals like you said, but remember it is a heavy science field. Of course, it is about working with people too.

My best advice would be to shadow different kinds of vets, so then that way you get a solid understanding of the field and it'll help you know for sure if this is what you really want. I think this was the thing that helped me the best.

For the science, it might seem intimidating, but with a little work to understand the basics and work your way up you can do well in them. Take a few science classes and see how well you like it. If you decide you absolutely hate science, then maybe vet med is not for you. If you like the science and do well, then go with vet med. Since vet school has lots of heavy science classes in there, it is also helpful to take some advanced science classes (like reproduction, nutrition, etc) in undergrad. That might help you out in vet school later.

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