2016 University of Toronto, class of 2016

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so did anybody get a number >510?

i'm ball parking it to be maybe 600-700 this year?

I finished my application the night before and I'm applicant 512 GPA: 3.46 Verbal: 97 Bio: 96 Reading: 29 lol :< Quantitative: 85 Chem: 98 Composite: 95 I have a good composite, but my reading comprehension score is rather horrifying Does anybody know if there's a way to check to see if your transcripts and PCAT (I wrote in January) have been received??

lol 512!? haha thats a great number especially considering u applied the night before =P i thought there'd be a surge of ppl at that time

also, if i recall correctly, someone posted earlier saying that he/she just emailed asking if they got the transcripts and another person said that u can go to the fourth floor of the pharmacy building and ask if they received it

I asked the admissions lady today about # of applicants and she said over 600...not sure how much over 600 though....

Originally Posted by PhilthyKessel

Hey guys, recently joined these forums. I've applied for the U of T Pharmacy program this year. Hope to join you guys for the ride.

Although I've read through this thread, I'm obviously not as schooled as some of you guys on the admissions process. I'd like to initially share my stats and receive some feedback on where I stand.

GPA - 3.71 (85-86% average)

PCAT

VA - 58
Bio - 94
RC - 45
QA - 92
Chm - 98

Composite - 91

I totally bombed VA and RC, as I sort of neglected them while studying for the PCAT. Keep in mind these are preliminary scores, and I haven't received the scores from the writing portion as of yet.

I've looked through the previous cutoffs, and even though I flunked VA & RC, I've met the cutoffs comfortably. I'm wondering if these portions will still adversely affect my application, or if they simply look at the composite as long as the cutoffs for each sections are met.

Also, I had a question regarding the pre-requisite courses needed for this program. I'm taking the 2nd year physical/inorganic chemistry requirement this semester, and have the option of making it simply a pass/fail course. Is anyone aware if this has been a problem in the past for people? I did call the Leslie Dan Faculty, and the admissions lady said it shouldn't affect my application. Still, I'm a bit nervous as the pass/fail credit means you pass if you get anything over 50. I don't know how the admissions committee will look at that, especially since this is a chemistry pre-requisite.

Thanks for the help guys! Looking forward to be a regular contributor on this thread.

Originally Posted by Ophira

I was feeling confident that I would get accepted to pharm when I applied. I'm in UofT life sci and had a 3.88 GPA and for the PCAT my marks are
VA 89
Bio 98
RC 82
QA 89
Chm 96
Composite 97

But then this semester I got a 71 in chm220 which brought my GPA down to 3.82. I hated that class so much, the quantum mechanics was dreadful. I know it's still not a bad GPA but getting that low in a chem class do you think it will really affect my chances of being accepted.

Ok, so I just wanted to give some very general feedback... guys, there were people last year who go in with PCAT composites in the mid-60's... there were people who had chem marks in the 60's and 70's... there were people who had MUCH lower GPA's than 3.82...
What I'm trying to say to you guys is that don't get to stressed over these tiny "imperfections" in your marks/PCAT scores... believe me, these stats should be more than adequate to make you competitive.

The only real worry should be the interview... no matter how high GPA/PCAT you have, if you mess up the interview you'd be ruled out! So instead of questioning your otherwise stellar stats, start thinking about the interviews.

Just my two cents... best of luck.

Originally Posted by Ophira

I was feeling confident that I would get accepted to pharm when I applied. I'm in UofT life sci and had a 3.88 GPA and for the PCAT my marks are
VA 89
Bio 98
RC 82
QA 89
Chm 96
Composite 97

But then this semester I got a 71 in chm220 which brought my GPA down to 3.82. I hated that class so much, the quantum mechanics was dreadful. I know it's still not a bad GPA but getting that low in a chem class do you think it will really affect my chances of being accepted.

Of course a 3.82 will affect your chances. There's no way you are getting in. You need a 3.9 and a 99 percentile PCAT to get into U of T.....You have to get a 90 percent in phys chem to be competitve.... a 70 is much too low........just kidding...you have a high chance of getting in. Have you been reading this forum. I think your stats are the highest. Why should you even be worried...you're a superstar student!

Originally Posted by ryanco64

Don't pass fail a pre-req. They'll automatically consider it as the lowest possible grade you need to pass (50 I think, unless your school does it differently) when computing GPA averages.

Yeah I decided against it. Thanks brother.

Originally Posted by helloeveryone

Ok, so I just wanted to give some very general feedback... guys, there were people last year who go in with PCAT composites in the mid-60's... there were people who had chem marks in the 60's and 70's... there were people who had MUCH lower GPA's than 3.82...
What I'm trying to say to you guys is that don't get to stressed over these tiny "imperfections" in your marks/PCAT scores... believe me, these stats should be more than adequate to make you competitive.

The only real worry should be the interview... no matter how high GPA/PCAT you have, if you mess up the interview you'd be ruled out! So instead of questioning your otherwise stellar stats, start thinking about the interviews.

Just my two cents... best of luck.

Thanks for the input, bro. Yeah I was just a little worried about my Verbal and RC sections because they're relatively low, but I guess the other scores sort of make up for them. And you're right, focusing on the interview should be the top priority from now.


By the way, anyone who applied on the last day on this forum? I saw that one guy said he was 512 the day before. Were there really 100 applicants on the last day?

Hmm, it seems strange that there is only ~600 applicants this year, isn't it normally closer to 1600? And out of curiosity, does anyone know what the typical entering average PCAT scores, and gpa are like? And somewhat unrelated does anyone know if U of T is changing to the pharmD format? Thanks in advance for any replies.

And any ideas what gpa and pcat look like for scholarships? Mine is 3.95/4.0 and VA 92 BIO 98 RC 99 QUANT 91 CHEM 93 Composite 98, anyone know if I have a chance at the scholarships? or do I need to improve these?

Originally Posted by bigphish

Hmm, it seems strange that there is only ~600 applicants this year, isn't it normally closer to 1600? And out of curiosity, does anyone know what the typical entering average PCAT scores, and gpa are like? And somewhat unrelated does anyone know if U of T is changing to the pharmD format? Thanks in advance for any replies.

And any ideas what gpa and pcat look like for scholarships? Mine is 3.95/4.0 and VA 92 BIO 98 RC 99 QUANT 91 CHEM 93 Composite 98, anyone know if I have a chance at the scholarships? or do I need to improve these?

There are a lot of prereq requirements to fullfill, making it difficult for more people to apply. Also, the job market is getting bad repelling people away.

Does anyone have any idea about the numbers required for scholarships? I would really like to know, as it will make a big difference deciding between Toronto and Waterloo, provided I get accepted to both. Thanks for any help in advance

Question:
How many in here have/will have their bachelors degree by the end of this semester?

Originally Posted by helloeveryone

ok, so i just wanted to give some very general feedback... Guys, there were people last year who go in with pcat composites in the mid-60's... There were people who had chem marks in the 60's and 70's... There were people who had much lower gpa's than 3.82...
What i'm trying to say to you guys is that don't get to stressed over these tiny "imperfections" in your marks/pcat scores... Believe me, these stats should be more than adequate to make you competitive.

The only real worry should be the interview... No matter how high gpa/pcat you have, if you mess up the interview you'd be ruled out! So instead of questioning your otherwise stellar stats, start thinking about the interviews.

Just my two cents... Best of luck.

yes!!!!

Originally Posted by Rx2o16

Question:
How many in here have/will have their bachelors degree by the end of this semester?

I'll have a BSc(H) in Chemistry by May 1st!
I figure that the requirements (I think they were changed for 2010...) will mean there will be more applicants holding degrees/ about to graduate.

also....is anyone else going crazy waiting for mid-march/interview notifications?!

Originally Posted by bigphish

Does anyone have any idea about the numbers required for scholarships? I would really like to know, as it will make a big difference deciding between Toronto and Waterloo, provided I get accepted to both. Thanks for any help in advance

If you posted a question here and no one has gotten back to it for a while, it is likely that no one knows the answer. Try contacting the schools directly.

Anyone applying for the second time? Tell us why you didn't get accepted the first time

Originally Posted by Rx2o16

Anyone applying for the second time? Tell us why you didn't get accepted the first time

No clue. This info is not released to applicants.

ugh this forum is dead!

C'mon people, its almost time for interviews to be announced....how is everyone holding up?

Arent you guys worried about the future job market lol... pharmacists arent a fundemental part of healthcare and arent needed in large masses. The core of the profession is dispensing, which can be to a degree replaced by machines/technology. (There's already drug vending machines).

Originally Posted by druggeek

Arent you guys worried about the future job market lol... pharmacists arent a fundemental part of healthcare and arent needed in large masses. The core of the profession is dispensing, which can be to a degree replaced by machines/technology. (There's already drug vending machines).

I'm not concerned about the future job market. The role of the pharmacist has been growing rapidly and there are a lot of different opportunities (community, industry, clinical, private/consulting pharmacist) across the country. It is likely to be more challenging to work in large, high-density cities (Toronto, Vancouver), but that doesn't seem like something to worry about. The core of the profession isn't relegated to just dispensing drugs (see wikipedia), and is actually moving towards being a more fundamental member of the healthcare team.

I see this new role of the pharmacist as extending into being a more integrated member of the health-care profession. (This issue was discussed on the 1T5 board, so you can look there for other opinions)


and if I recall...druggeek, you're still in high school. Trust me when I say to not stress out about this stuff. If you're university-track, then go to a school you like and enroll in the program that best suits your personal interests and abilities (ie. don't go straight to LifeSci because you think it'll help). The more you like your classes, the better you'll do....and this will help to keep your options open. (and then if you still like pharmacy, then stress out about this stuff if you want).

Originally Posted by Otter14

I'm not concerned about the future job market. The role of the pharmacist has been growing rapidly and there are a lot of different opportunities (community, industry, clinical, private/consulting pharmacist) across the country. It is likely to be more challenging to work in large, high-density cities (Toronto, Vancouver), but that doesn't seem like something to worry about. The core of the profession isn't relegated to just dispensing drugs (see wikipedia), and is actually moving towards being a more fundamental member of the healthcare team.

I see this new role of the pharmacist as extending into being a more integrated member of the health-care profession. (This issue was discussed on the 1T5 board, so you can look there for other opinions)


and if I recall...druggeek, you're still in high school. Trust me when I say to not stress out about this stuff. If you're university-track, then go to a school you like and enroll in the program that best suits your personal interests and abilities (ie. don't go straight to LifeSci because you think it'll help). The more you like your classes, the better you'll do....and this will help to keep your options open. (and then if you still like pharmacy, then stress out about this stuff if you want).

I'm not in high school anymore... You must have a poor perception of time.

I'm dead-set on medicine, 4.0 gpa in my first semester. But I was just curious if pre-pharm students are concerned about the job market.
From what I've heard *last year* was that pharm grads were mostly getting floating jobs and/or part time positions here n there around toronto/gta. But...

1) Waterloo grads werent out yet

2) Number of international grads taken is going to practically double

The issue is most of all saturation, which won't be fixed just cause people say baby boomers will retire blah blah. There will be wayyy more pharmacists than needed to cover for aging peoples' drugs.
Best solution would have been to never increase pharmacy school positions and keep them low + not let in too many internationals... but of course the schools wanna make money.

Originally Posted by druggeek

I'm not in high school anymore... You must have a poor perception of time.

I'm dead-set on medicine, 4.0 gpa in my first semester. But I was just curious if pre-pharm students are concerned about the job market.
From what I've heard *last year* was that pharm grads were mostly getting floating jobs and/or part time positions here n there around toronto/gta. But...

1) Waterloo grads werent out yet

2) Number of international grads taken is going to practically double

The issue is most of all saturation, which won't be fixed just cause people say baby boomers will retire blah blah. There will be wayyy more pharmacists than needed to cover for aging peoples' drugs.
Best solution would have been to never increase pharmacy school positions and keep them low + not let in too many internationals... but of course the schools wanna make money.

Cool, good for you! I hope you have a great career in medicine. I thought I had saw you saying you were in HS last year (oh well, sorry for the confusion).

only question...why are you on the pharmacy forum if you're set on medicine? :P

Originally Posted by Otter14

Cool, good for you! I hope you have a great career in medicine. I thought I had saw you saying you were in HS last year (oh well, sorry for the confusion).

only question...why are you on the pharmacy forum if you're set on medicine? :P

Was curious what the insight was about this issue that's an obvious problem for so many professions. The obvious solution for pharmacy being to move north.

Hi all

New Here on the Forum

85-86% Percent Average - 3.77 GPA Undergraduate

88 Composite

Anyone here with a masters? lol i feel so old.

I'm also new to this forum!

I have a degree from last May, so you're not the only old one! :-P

82% cumulative average,
92/3.5/3.5 Composite PCAT score.

First time applying to U of T ... I am an OOP, reallllly hoping to get an interview this year!

Haven't heard from the pharmacy students for a long time. Can someone in pharmacy school share your experience with us?

2 more weeks until interview!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Wanqus

2 more weeks until interview!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

*until interviews are announced

Originally Posted by futurpharmacis

Haven't heard from the pharmacy students for a long time. Can someone in pharmacy school share your experience with us?

Pretty much death atm . Everything is stacking up and everyone is super stressed.

For the LOVE of GOD, I can't remember my scores for the written section... and my Pearson account just got locked because I forgot the password LOL AHH FML, hopefully, it was 3.0/3.0 ......

And yes, I'm getting stressed while patiently waiting for March 9th, can you tell? lol

I am a pharmacy student, it is pretty hectic right now. We have 6 courses a semster + online modules like JP, LP, pharmaceutical care +.....And its midterm time right now...

As for your other concers, pharmacists Are a integral part of the Health Care, no other profession is Legally allowed to dispenese, compound drugs, and so on. Pharmacists are also becoming key part in medication therapy and safe use of medications. Though machine can do dispensing, there needs to be a damn physical person to check if its doing it right. Which increases workload of pharmacists. And also this damn machine is only in some Hospitals right now, allowing Pharmacists to have a more clincal role with patients. And as far as community is concerned, i dont think this machine will ever get in a community pharmacy as its too expensive.

And your job concers are true, but as someone above posted get out of Toronto, and you should be fine. And there are no updates to the degree change, only change to the profession is immunizations might be allowed by pharmacists (OCP still seeking insight). So just worry about working hard, and gettin in for now!!!

Originally Posted by realslimshady

I am a pharmacy student, it is pretty hectic right now. We have 6 courses a semster + online modules like JP, LP, pharmaceutical care +.....And its midterm time right now...

As for your other concers, pharmacists Are a integral part of the Health Care, no other profession is Legally allowed to dispenese, compound drugs, and so on. Pharmacists are also becoming key part in medication therapy and safe use of medications. Though machine can do dispensing, there needs to be a damn physical person to check if its doing it right. Which increases workload of pharmacists. And also this damn machine is only in some Hospitals right now, allowing Pharmacists to have a more clincal role with patients. And as far as community is concerned, i dont think this machine will ever get in a community pharmacy as its too expensive.

And your job concers are true, but as someone above posted get out of Toronto, and you should be fine. And there are no updates to the degree change, only change to the profession is immunizations might be allowed by pharmacists (OCP still seeking insight). So just worry about working hard, and gettin in for now!!!

Actually nurse practitioners can dispense, compound and sell drugs now. As for the machine, I think they're only going to be implemented in Hospitals and rural areas with no available pharmacy nearby.

a couple more days! get excited people!!!

PS. How do you tell your applicant number?

Originally Posted by pharmaniac007

a couple more days! get excited people!!!

PS. How do you tell your applicant number?

Super, super excited and anxious (its released tomorrow!!!!)

your applicant # can be found on the applicant website. After you login, its on the Home Page (where it says "Applicant ID". Your number starts with 20121_ _ _ (the underscores represent your applicant #)

SUPER NERVOUS!!!! What time will it be posted?

Originally Posted by phabulous

SUPER NERVOUS!!!! What time will it be posted?

Not sure.... But lets just say that I'll be hitting refresh every 5 minutes after midnight

Originally Posted by Otter14

Not sure.... But lets just say that I'll be hitting refresh every 5 minutes after midnight

Haha, I've already started. Hoping they are a little early?
I picked the March as my first two choices, and that's creeping up FAST!

I'm glad they do their interviews so early. With UBC, we don't find out if we get an interview until late May/early June!! AH THE WAIT!

Don't people have until today to inform them about interview conflicts? So sadly it might not be midnight =P

Originally Posted by Slimeywhimy

Don't people have until today to inform them about interview conflicts? So sadly it might not be midnight =P

Ya. Pretty sure it'll be around either 8 in the morning or the afternoon. (I was looking at last year's thread and they were posted at 8 in the morning).

Originally Posted by futurpharmacis

Haven't heard from the pharmacy students for a long time. Can someone in pharmacy school share your experience with us?

i'm just honestly blown away at how fast time has flown by. it feels like 3 years ago i was on this forum getting ready for my interview, booking my flight and hotel to toronto and having my interview. one year later, and i've been selected to be a greeter during the march interview sessions for you guys. i remember my interview day as if it were yesterday.

all i can say is be natural, and be yourself. you can only go so far as to "prepare" for the interview.

Good Luck to Everyone!

WOW, same with "reason", I can't believe it's been a whole year since I was waiting for my interview... time sure flies.

Just wanted to wish everyone good luck too...

Oh, just a heads up: they usually post new cut-offs for PCAT right at 12:00 AM (and PLEASE share them here too, I'm curious to see if they've changed at all)...
Also last year they sent the interview invites around 5 AM I think... not sure how they'll decide to do it this year though.

Once again, best of luck everyone.

Originally Posted by helloeveryone

WOW, same with "reason", I can't believe it's been a whole year since I was waiting for my interview... time sure flies.

Just wanted to wish everyone good luck too...

Oh, just a heads up: they usually post new cut-offs for PCAT right at 12:00 AM (and PLEASE share them here too, I'm curious to see if they've changed at all)...
Also last year they sent the interview invites around 5 AM I think... not sure how they'll decide to do it this year though.

Once again, best of luck everyone.

Oh? They said the cutoffs would be the same this year? And it's now midnight and nothing new is posted. So guess we'll wait for morning for interview announcements.

New cutoffs:
Conventions of Language 3.0
Problem Solving 2.5
Composite Percentile 20
Chemistry percentile 20
Biology percentile 10
Quantitative Ability percentile 10
Reading Comprehension percentile 20
Verbal Ability percentile 10

Looks like its the same as last year.

Originally Posted by sndiv

New cutoffs:
Conventions of Language 3.0
Problem Solving 2.5
Composite Percentile 20
Chemistry percentile 20
Biology percentile 10
Quantitative Ability percentile 10
Reading Comprehension percentile 20
Verbal Ability percentile 10

Looks like its the same as last year.

Where did you read this at?

Originally Posted by phabulous

Where did you read this at?

I have the same question. I was trying to google the new cutoff but nothing came out lol!

Originally Posted by helloeveryone

WOW, same with "reason", I can't believe it's been a whole year since I was waiting for my interview... time sure flies.

Just wanted to wish everyone good luck too...

Oh, just a heads up: they usually post new cut-offs for PCAT right at 12:00 AM (and PLEASE share them here too, I'm curious to see if they've changed at all)...
Also last year they sent the interview invites around 5 AM I think... not sure how they'll decide to do it this year though.

Once again, best of luck everyone.

Hello Helloeveryone!!
do you mind telling us where to get the information from? I was searching on the website but didnt find it.

Originally Posted by lbqjenny

Hello Helloeveryone!!
do you mind telling us where to get the information from? I was searching on the website but didnt find it.

Found it! it's a PDF document posted on your PharmSIS welcome page. it's called Pharmacy College Admission Test Data (first one).

Originally Posted by phabulous

Found it! it's a PDF document posted on your PharmSIS welcome page. it's called Pharmacy College Admission Test Data (first one).

Thank you so much!! haha
theres still nothing on the notifications page..

Wow! The PCAT cut offs are LOW! ... This wait is brutal.. I feel like My finger is glued to the refresh button :$

Originally Posted by pharmaniac007

Wow! The PCAT cut offs are LOW! ... This wait is brutal.. I feel like My finger is glued to the refresh button :$

Same. haha Can't sleep and I have to be up at 6. Panic Attack every five seconds lol