Help with ranking NYC prelim programs please...

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I'm having a lot of trouble ranking these prelim programs in NYC...I don't mind being in a challenging program as long as the teaching is good and you are provided with some guidance and support from other residents/attendings.

The ones I'm having trouble with are:
Beth Israel
Montefiore
NY downtown
SUNY Downstate
NY Hospital of Queens

Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks!

Originally Posted by fyfanatic

I'm having a lot of trouble ranking these prelim programs in NYC...I don't mind being in a challenging program as long as the teaching is good and you are provided with some guidance and support from other residents/attendings.

The ones I'm having trouble with are:
Beth Israel
Montefiore
NY downtown
SUNY Downstate
NY Hospital of Queens

Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks!

BI
Any other prelim program not on your list
Starbuck's
Monte
NYHQ
NYDT/Downstate

Originally Posted by gutonc

BI
Any other prelim program not on your list
Starbuck's
Monte
NYHQ
NYDT/Downstate

Uh oh....that bad, huh?

Originally Posted by Buzz Me

Uh oh....that bad, huh?

I guess you could put Monte above Starbuck's.

The only good thing about Beth Israel is the housing - it's the only medicine prelim I've seen that gives prelims more floor months than categoricals (ends up being 10 months on wards/in unit with ACGME minimum 1 month elective, 1 month vacation).

For prelim year, I think you should rank by location:

Beth Israel (best location, better reputation than NY Downtown)
NY Downtown (next best location, now affiliated with Cornell)
Montefiore (best reputation in this list, but location in Bronx)
NY Hospital of Queens (not in Manhattan)
SUNY Downstate (unsafe location, would not rank)

Originally Posted by johnnydrama

The only good thing about Beth Israel is the housing - it's the only medicine prelim I've seen that gives prelims more floor months than categoricals (ends up being 10 months on wards/in unit with ACGME minimum 1 month elective, 1 month vacation).

Yea that's the thing that's swaying me away from Beth Israel even though the location is awesome.
Whereas at SUNY Downstate, the location sucks but the schedule is actually not that bad. The prelims have 5 months on the floor with sign-out at 3:30pm. So the residents were saying that if all your patients are stable and you get your work done, you can usually leave around 4-5pm which is pretty good for interns. And the prelims get 2 months of elective time plus 1 month of ambulatory block...together with vacation, that's 4 easy months with no call....
I just don't know what's more important....a better schedule or a better location...

how exactly is the prelim schedule set up for beth israel? the website is a bit confusing and I'm trying to decide if I should go interview there from texas. thanks!

Originally Posted by fyfanatic

I'm having a lot of trouble ranking these prelim programs in NYC...I don't mind being in a challenging program as long as the teaching is good and you are provided with some guidance and support from other residents/attendings.

The ones I'm having trouble with are:
Beth Israel
Montefiore
NY downtown
SUNY Downstate
NY Hospital of Queens

Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks!

I'd put Monte above BI. It's reputation and teaching is definitely better; and by living in the Bronx you will be paying $600 in rent; you can have a car (garage is $60) - and you are withing walking distance to two subway stations. For comparison, the Metropolitan museum is equidistant from BI and Monte - but at Monte your quality of life will be better.

For those in the know, do any of these offer subsidized housing?

Downstate does not offer housing

Originally Posted by gutonc

BI
Any other prelim program not on your list
Starbuck's
Monte
NYHQ
NYDT/Downstate

I don't know anything about the other programs, but what's the reason for Downstate being so low? (you went there, right?)

Also wondering about ranking prelim programs.
Anyone have input about Flushing medical hospital center and Westchester medical center/New york medical college?

If you applied and interviewed, I would recommend considering Lincoln in the Bronx. I live on Wall St. and the subway ride is 24 minutes straight without transfers. For a Preliminary year, it is actually pretty easy. Yes it is a busy hospital, but there are enough residents to spread the work around. Typical day is 7:30-4:30. Unlike some places (ahem, Downstate), Lincoln is pretty good with telling the truth at interviews and following work hour regulations.

Oh and they offer housing at $500 a month in Manhattan's upper east side.

Originally Posted by timisdaman

If you applied and interviewed, I would recommend considering Lincoln in the Bronx. I live on Wall St. and the subway ride is 24 minutes straight without transfers. For a Preliminary year, it is actually pretty easy. Yes it is a busy hospital, but there are enough residents to spread the work around. Typical day is 7:30-4:30. Unlike some places (ahem, Downstate), Lincoln is pretty good with telling the truth at interviews and following work hour regulations.

Oh and they offer housing at $500 a month in Manhattan's upper east side.

How many months do they spend on the floors? ICU? I remember someone saying on interview day that the housing is dorm-style, where you have to share a bathroom with the people on the same hall.

Originally Posted by timisdaman

If you applied and interviewed, I would recommend considering Lincoln in the Bronx. I live on Wall St. and the subway ride is 24 minutes straight without transfers. For a Preliminary year, it is actually pretty easy. Yes it is a busy hospital, but there are enough residents to spread the work around. Typical day is 7:30-4:30. Unlike some places (ahem, Downstate), Lincoln is pretty good with telling the truth at interviews and following work hour regulations.

Oh and they offer housing at $500 a month in Manhattan's upper east side.

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Originally Posted by ssisterdoc

How many months do they spend on the floors? ICU? I remember someone saying on interview day that the housing is dorm-style, where you have to share a bathroom with the people on the same hall.

Schedule varies, but this is mine:

Floors - 7 blocks
MICU day time - 1 block (most difficult)
MICU night time - 1 block (very easy)
Night float - 2 x 0.5 blocks
Vacation - 2 x 0.5 blocks or 1 block
Electives - 2 blocks

I believe the housing is dorm style. But $500 in manhattan is hard to beat. Again, I live in my own apartment.

Originally Posted by HelloMoon

I interviewed there as well, seems like a very busy hospital.
Flushing Medical Center seems like it would be pretty easier but not too sure.

My average patient load is 4. The most I have carried is 8. I work about 62 hours a week on the floors. I have time to eat 1-2 hour lunches most days. I have no complaints.

Location:

Beth Israel (near L, near LES)
NY downtown (near every line, financial district)
Lincoln (near 2,4,5, somewhat dangerous neighborhood)
Montefiore (near 4, fairly safe neighborhood)
NY Hospital of Queens (several blocks from 7, in Flushing)
SUNY Downstate (near 2,5, very dangerous neighborhood)

Training:

Montefiore > SUNY Downstate > NYHQ >= Beth Israel > NY Downtown > Lincoln

EMR:

Lincoln - HHC
SUNY Downstate - HHC + ???
NYHQ - transitioning to full EMR
Montefiore - partial EMR
Beth Israel - partial EMR
NY Downtown - partial, ancient EMR

Quality of Life:

Lincoln = NY Downtown = NYHQ > Beth Israel >= SUNY Downstate >> Montefiore



If you're looking for a real medicine year, Montefiore hands down. Clinical experience at SUNY Downstate would be good too. That said, most people from these medical schools avoid their home prelim programs (Einstein people all choose Jacobi over Monte for prelim).

Originally Posted by loljkttyl

For prelim year, I think you should rank by location:

Beth Israel (best location, better reputation than NY Downtown)
NY Downtown (next best location, now affiliated with Cornell)
Montefiore (best reputation in this list, but location in Bronx)
NY Hospital of Queens (not in Manhattan)
SUNY Downstate (unsafe location, would not rank)

As a Downstate student, I can tell you that the location is perfectly fine. I have never had problems commuting to and from there via public transportation at any hour. Like any other place, keep your wits about you and you'll be fine. Most Downstate students and residents live in Park Slope in Brooklyn - very trendy upscale neighborhood. Manhattan vibe at Brooklyn prices. I think you'd get very solid training there.

NYHQ - I grew up in Flushing, Queens and was a volunteer at NYHQ for a long time. A lot has obviously changed since I was there, but its a solid hospital. A friend's wife is a surgery resident there. She's happy there.

Montefiore is probably the best hospital on your list. I think its a great place to work and I know some surgical residents there who are pretty happy with the place. However, location is a drag, but they have nice housing just across the street, and Manhattan is pretty easily accessible.

BI and NYDowntown - UGH. These places are dumps. However, they are in the heart of Manhattan if thats where you want to be. Do remember that you'll be shelling out Manhattan prices though. Still. if its only for a year, do strongly consider them as it would be a great experience.

not to thread jack but re prelim at weiler/moses...any inside word from anyone on this prelim? esp if there are any program changes with a newer pd?

wondering re cap for how many pts prelim interns carry and can admit (if any cap)? couldn't interview there but applied by virtue of a "linked" program...would really appreciate any input (if you feel like pm'ing, please do). thank you

How would you guys rank these 3 prelim med programs on training and hours?

LICH
Maimo
NY Downtown

maimo seemed awesome! 5 months of elective time and only 4.5 months of wards. ny downtown seems like they work really hard AND the salary is SH.IT compared to other NYC programs (47K vs ~57-58K).