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Arch,
With due respect, this professional television writer finds that what's going on here with JPP is, by definition, Censorship. Relevant or not, not picky or not, SDN is the governing body and his speech is being suppressed. What we do here, further, is most certainly speech.

The only debatable element here is whether it's warranted. ive read both sides. But let's be empirical, this is censorship.

d712

Originally Posted by Arch Guillotti

Collectively, the three area mods have been on SDN an average of probably over 10 years.

Actually, not close - 6 yrs, 3 2/3 months on average - not even 2/3 to 10 years. PGG brings the time average down. You and cchoukal are over 10, though.

Originally Posted by doctor712

Arch,
With due respect, this professional television writer finds that what's going on here with JPP is, by definition, Censorship. Relevant or not, not picky or not, SDN is the governing body and his speech is being suppressed. What we do here, further, is most certainly speech.

The only debatable element here is whether it's warranted. ive read both sides. But let's be empirical, this is censorship.

d712

Wow, you managed to remind us twice in the same thread that you write for some tv show. Just in case we forgot. Go you! And by the way, this is a private forum. If they want to "censor" someone, they can. Don't like it? Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

But on topic, I think that this comes from complaining about mods closing his thread about students choosing fam med as a specialty given that they could in theory make a bunch more in anesthesia. I don't think there is a problem with bringing that reality up (whether it will be the reality for long is a good question), but he did it in somewhat of an antagonistic way. I'm betting his probation came from those people in the FM forum and not anyone here.

On clinical topics he may have good advice or thought provoking questions, but sooner or later, if you act like a douche often enough you'll earn yourself a vacation.

Here's my thoughts as a long-time poster, board certified anesthesiologist fellowship trained, blah blah

- I think the moderators should take a poll (ie survey monkey) to see if the members on this forum think this in censoring Jet...I think it is, and think the mods made a mistake...however, they are entitled to, they have a hard job, I sincerely appreciate their efforts, and think they otherwise do a great job

-Jet posts with style and is not PC; this is a real world forum, and is not a whitewashed academic kinda place; his style is entirey appropriate here; the intolerance regarding his views are not, especially given the ability to use the ignore function

-Jet, don't let the haters back you off; there are tons of us out here who appreciate everything you say; please don't change your style and keep coming with it...

Many here have said they appreciate the substance of what Jet says, but not his style

Style should not be censored on this forum, neither should substance; jet was not being a douche, and even if he was, that's OK

My bias: I like Jet's style, but I would defend the rights of those whose style I don't to continue posting, just like the ACLU defended the rights of the KKK to march

Originally Posted by doctor712

Arch,
With due respect, this professional television writer finds that what's going on here with JPP is, by definition, Censorship. Relevant or not, not picky or not, SDN is the governing body and his speech is being suppressed. What we do here, further, is most certainly speech.

Where was this opinion when cfdavid was banned?

And you were censored at every job you ever held as a writer, just like I'm censored every time I want to call someone a m*********er, a****** or ******ad

Originally Posted by IDBasco

Wow, you managed to remind us twice in the same thread that you write for some tv show. Just in case we forgot. Go you! And by the way, this is a private forum. If they want to "censor" someone, they can. Don't like it? Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

But on topic, I think that this comes from complaining about mods closing his thread about students choosing fam med as a specialty given that they could in theory make a bunch more in anesthesia. I don't think there is a problem with bringing that reality up (whether it will be the reality for long is a good question), but he did it in somewhat of an antagonistic way. I'm betting his probation came from those people in the FM forum and not anyone here.

On clinical topics he may have good advice or thought provoking questions, but sooner or later, if you act like a douche often enough you'll earn yourself a vacation.

IDBasco,

The reason, Mr. Angry Med Student, that I mentioned my writing, is that, perhaps more than any other career, a writer faces censorship and its ugly side. And thus, Mr. Angry Med Student, a writer is pretty sensitive to when it's happening. So, GO YOU IDb! Really, it ain't that big a deal, the whole writing thing. It's definitely not as big as Mr. Angry Med Student getting all huffy and puffy when I'm not even addressing him.

Hey, IdBasco, did I mention I've written on two Emmy award winning shows???? GO YOU!!!!

Absolutely, this is a private forum! And absolutely we've signed up having clicked off the terms and conditions. Lemme ask you something, Mr. Angry 23 year old Med Student who has all the answers, does that make it right?

p.s. IdB, you should probably read up a bit on your censorship theory. There are many forms, pallie.

D712

Age =/= wisdom

Dunno why people seem to always default back.

Originally Posted by Bertelman

Where was this opinion when cfdavid was banned?

And you were censored at every job you ever held as a writer, just like I'm censored every time I want to call someone a m*********er, a****** or ******ad

What opinion? Did I state an opinion? Or did I say, flat out, that this is censorship, and what's DEBATABLE, is whether or not it was warranted.

Did you or do you REALLY think that after CFDAVID went on his attacks and rampages - that after he was banned - I was going to come here and change the topic to censorship in advocating his return to the board?
But for clarity, CfDavid, and anyone else banned here for being offensive, disruptive bla bla bla, is censored. And your point to me personally, is what? I should come to the defense of people blasting me here on SDN? Yeah, I'm pragmatic, not idiotic.

As a matter of fact, I never advocated for Mil, Copro, or CfDavid to get banned. As a writer (sorry IdBasco, but it's on topic) that rubs me the wrong way.

Lastly, censorship and writing and being censored on my jobs, Bertleman. No, not really, hasn't happened nearly on every gig. I've breezed through scripts (sorry IdB, I know you don't like to read about anything other than where you're going to match - god help them - but the board has enjoyed my stories of LaLa Land at large)... where literally every single word was approved. But more to your point, yes, studios and networks have the hated-by-writers Standards and Practices person who clears scripts. And a legal person too, who clears trademarks and logos and brands etc. I wouldn't call legal peeps censorship at all, that's just making sure you are not advertising Pepsi products when you're not supposed to etc. As for standards and practices, sure, they suck. At times I've been 'censored", flat out. Mostly, we really don't look at it like that, unless we choose to fight the fight. And I cannot remember that happening in my career. More often it's making sure that if you put somebody's hands on a grill, they'll flag it so that some idiot doesn't try to imitate it and get hurt. (is that a band thing really?) I don't consider that censorship as it's not really holding back an "idea." Same when you get a note about a character saying something "out of character." Yeah, well, so WHAT if Frasier (for example) wouldn't say that. That's a creative note. We get TONS of those. Some good, some utterly idiotic. We pick and choose notes that we are gonna take and not. The end point is this, if you sign up to write on Seinfeld (for example),
you can't curse and scream and show sex on screen as in Shameless or Californication (for example). You have to write the show you were hired for. And on NBC, they don't say F**K, and we don't see boobies. That's showtime or HBO. Writing in the absence of cursing or frontal nudity isn't really censorship if that's the show you signed your name on the dotted line (usually for 10 times what IdB will get paid through residency. In one season) to write for.
Hardly censorship really when you think about it. Just part of a creative process of 10 people sitting around a table breaking an episode...

Ok IDBrasco, you can stop reading now.

D712

Originally Posted by TeamZissou

Age =/= wisdom

Dunno why people seem to always default back.

He's off by a ton on my age.

And angry? Not at all- I just matched. Go me. LOL.

I've obviously struck a nerve.

Originally Posted by doctor712

What opinion? Did I state an opinion? Or did I say, flat out, that this is censorship, and what's DEBATABLE, is whether or not it was warranted.

Did you or do you REALLY think that after CFDAVID went on his attacks and rampages - that after he was banned - I was going to come here and change the topic to censorship in advocating his return to the board?
But for clarity, CfDavid, and anyone else banned here for being offensive, disruptive bla bla bla, is censored. And your point to me personally, is what? I should come to the defense of people blasting me here on SDN? Yeah, I'm pragmatic, not idiotic.

As a matter of fact, I never advocated for Mil, Copro, or CfDavid to get banned. As a writer (sorry IdBasco, but it's on topic) that rubs me the wrong way.

Lastly, censorship and writing and being censored on my jobs, Bertleman. No, not really, hasn't happened nearly on every gig. I've breezed through scripts (sorry IdB, I know you don't like to read about anything other than where you're going to match - god help them - but the board has enjoyed my stories of LaLa Land at large)... where literally every single word was approved. But more to your point, yes, studios and networks have the hated-by-writers Standards and Practices person who clears scripts. And a legal person too, who clears trademarks and logos and brands etc. I wouldn't call legal peeps censorship at all, that's just making sure you are not advertising Pepsi products when you're not supposed to etc. As for standards and practices, sure, they suck. At times I've been 'censored", flat out. Mostly, we really don't look at it like that, unless we choose to fight the fight. And I cannot remember that happening in my career. More often it's making sure that if you put somebody's hands on a grill, they'll flag it so that some idiot doesn't try to imitate it and get hurt. (is that a band thing really?) I don't consider that censorship as it's not really holding back an "idea." Same when you get a note about a character saying something "out of character." Yeah, well, so WHAT if Frasier (for example) wouldn't say that. That's a creative note. We get TONS of those. Some good, some utterly idiotic. We pick and choose notes that we are gonna take and not. The end point is this, if you sign up to write on Seinfeld (for example),
you can't curse and scream and show sex on screen as in Shameless or Californication (for example). You have to write the show you were hired for. And on NBC, they don't say F**K, and we don't see boobies. That's showtime or HBO. Writing in the absence of cursing or frontal nudity isn't really censorship if that's the show you signed your name on the dotted line (usually for 10 times what IdB will get paid through residency. In one season) to write for.
Hardly censorship really when you think about it. Just part of a creative process of 10 people sitting around a table breaking an episode...

Ok IDBrasco, you can stop reading now.

D712

If you're not willing to fight for censorship for all censored individuals, then it's not really censorship you're worried about. You just want your friend Jet back, and that's fine.

"You have to write the show you were hired for". You are absolutely right. And maybe the masses in the FP forum have decided that's not the show Jet should be writing for.

I suspect as others have said that the Hold involved his "contributions" to the FP forum. We can discuss all day long the history of his posts here. If this hold was from FP, that's irrelevant from their perspective.

I still think the post hold is because some youngster complained about being bullied.

Just read some of the posts on this thread. There are some thin skinned sensitive people here. What are these people gonna think out in the real world?

I went back and read Jets last 20 posts and I saw no reason for this action.

Some of you have no friggin idea what is in store for you.

WholelottaMe, I'm picking on you cuz you stood up and spoke which is great. But that just opened the door. What are you gonna do when a surgeon goes to your boss/senior partner and says he doesn't want you in his room anymore unless you are supervised? Trust me, it happens and you can't run to anyone and say you are being bullied.

Originally Posted by Noyac

I still think the post hold is because some youngster complained about being bullied.

Negative. Arch or any other moderator can attest that I haven't brought JPP up to them in the least. I don't play "victim" as good as you do, Mr. Censorship.

Thanks for responding!

And nice touch with the name calling. That s new!

Originally Posted by IDBasco

He's off by a ton on my age.

And angry? Not at all- I just matched. Go me. LOL.

I've obviously struck a nerve.

You matched? Congrats. Go you is right! No you haven't struck much of a nerve, when you do, you'll go the way of the others...all the others.

Originally Posted by Noyac

Thanks for responding!

And nice touch with the name calling. That s new!

I can only incinuate due to our previous exchange that you're implicating me as that "youngster". I'm not here to start any bickering, but I will clarify misunderstandings.
And yes, that was a backhanded comment because you seem to be rather persistent about something I already clarified on the first page. Thick skin- have it. Haven't we been over this?

Have a good day ladies and gentlemen.

Originally Posted by Bertelman

If you're not willing to fight for censorship for all censored individuals, then it's not really censorship you're worried about. You just want your friend Jet back, and that's fine.

"You have to write the show you were hired for". You are absolutely right. And maybe the masses in the FP forum have decided that's not the show Jet should be writing for.

I suspect as others have said that the Hold involved his "contributions" to the FP forum. We can discuss all day long the history of his posts here. If this hold was from FP, that's irrelevant from their perspective.

That's ridiculous (bolded) Bertelman. This is another case of not knowing about anyone's lives on an anonymous forum and then making grand sweeping statements. Rarely are they accurate. At work, I'll battle the censorship issue if need be - but like I said, I don't need to fight that fight often, or at the WGA (sorry IdB, that's one of our unions), and I certainly enjoyed studying Cons Law in college. It was my major and part of my thesis. Further, I recall vividly, and happily, when Lee Bollinger the President of my Alma Mater invited Ahmedinijad, our Iranian friend, to public debate post 9/11. I almost went that day. Am an ardent supporter of free speech. Lastly, hate talk, racism and the like, are usually found NOT to be covered under free speech (Mr. CFDavid) though, when spoken in person, to be fair. Not sure about written and web stuff like this. Here are the test cases in regard to this topic if you're really interested...

Chaplinsky (background case)
Hustler Magazine v. Falwell
R. A. V. v. City of St. Paul
Wisconsin v. Mitchell
Virginia v. Black

I want my friend Jet back? I spoke to him yesterday. I couldn't be less worried about Jet - and whether he decides to return here - ever - or not. That's his choice. My friendship is intact exclusive of whatever the heck happens between the walls of this forum. So, um, no. That wasn't any part of the theme of my post.

D712

Originally Posted by Ignatius J

I can only incinuate due to our previous exchange that you're implicating me as that "youngster". I'm not here to start any bickering, but I will clarify misunderstandings.
And yes, that was a backhanded comment because you seem to be rather persistent about something I already clarified on the first page. Thick skin- have it. Haven't we been over this?

Have a good day ladies and gentlemen.

Wow, 60 posts and the dude comes in here all swinging for Noyac, a leader on this board. What respect. I think we've been over this with Ignatius. Oh, insinuate is with an S. your fonzie-cool-factor losses steam when you spell like an 8th grader rather than a doctor.
food for thought. and you didn't mean insinuate, you meant infer. jack*****. they both start with I, i understand it's confusing.

(spellchecking, spellchecking, ok, I'm good. proper usages of your, than, jack*****...see, was that so hard?)

D712

Originally Posted by Noyac

Thanks for responding!

And nice touch with the name calling. That s new!

There's some of the old SDN we've been missing.
We need to get copro back here to kick around...

Originally Posted by doctor712

Wow, 60 posts and the dude comes in here all swinging for Noyac, a leader on this board. What respect. I think we've been over this with Ignatius. Oh, insinuate is with an S. your fonzie-cool-factor losses steam when you spell like an 8th grader rather than a doctor.
food for thought. and you didn't mean insinuate, you meant infer. jack*****. they both start with I, i understand it's confusing.

(spellchecking, spellchecking, ok, I'm good. proper usages of your, than, jack*****...see, was that so hard?)

D712

'"...you're (you are) implicating me as that "youngster."'

Though I do apologize, your correction of me is quite ironic given the slop you throw out there. Am I still "lossing" steam?

Someone get his man some haldol.

Originally Posted by Ignatius J

'"...you're (you are) implicating me as that "youngster."'

Though I do apologize, your correction of me is quite ironic given the slop you throw out there. Am I still "lossing" steam?

Someone get his man some haldol.

Owned by spell-check.

Seriously though, mods, at risk of being accused of censorship, this thread has likely outlived its useful life. If it ever really had one.

Originally Posted by Ignatius J

'"...you're (you are) implicating me as that "youngster."'

Though I do apologize, your correction of me is quite ironic given the slop you throw out there. Am I still "lossing" steam?

Someone get his man some haldol.

Originally Posted by IDBasco

Owned by spell-check.

Seriously though, mods, at risk of being accused of censorship, this thread has likely outlived its useful life. If it ever really had one.

Your? Huh. I used your as in the possessive form. Your
Fonzie cool... Jeez. Learn how to read. Your lack of cool.
Your naïveté. Your insert insult....Both of ya, get a life. Lord a
Resident and a med student with attitude. Who would have thunk it.
I never mind a typo because you're typing too fast. It is the
Idiot typo of a word like insinuate that reveals ignorance. Pick up a
Book outside of pharm and get well rounded.
Ps when u quote someone's typo make sure they actually wrote it and
That they made an error. Idiots.

Owned by having brains.

Hey Tobasco Sauce, Enjoy YOUR solid midwest program!!!!

And YOUR haldol.

D712

I think this thread is just another example of what is wrong with this forum......

I've been a lurker for years, only started posting semi-regularly with this last residency app cycle. I am not a.) a Doctor (yet), b.)an experienced "elder", or c.) a "prolific poster or father of the forum" so I understand my position will likely be glossed over or seen as an inferior opinion........ and THAT is the problem.

When did "respect your elders" birth the corollary disrespect the youngsters?

Look, I think arguments are fine, disagreements are not only fine - they can instigate thought and growth.....which is ideally one of the goals of these forums (along with venting and break room type talk). But, often these arguments or differences of opinion devolve into name calling which DOES persuade some people (read: the non-a,b,or c category posters from above) from posting or giving input. It doesn't bother me personally (I think its funny but I argue and rib my friends with sarcastic comments all the time and take it right back). Some will say; "grow some thicker skin" and while I partly agree as the world is not full of rainbows and puppies everywhere you go, there has to be a better way.

I feel like this is what the surgeons do, they go through residency getting screamed and yelled at, constantly degraded and forced to eat whatever poop-sandwhich the "leaders" want them to so it becomes a rite of passage and they pass it on. In the real world, I have yet to meet an Anesthesiologist that did this, and I think that's one of the things that SHINES about the field.

Finally, rant concluding........ I am against censoring and believe Jet is an asset to the forum..... but there is some dysfunction here, from both "sides".

Originally Posted by doctor712

[B]

Hey Tobasco Sauce, Enjoy YOUR solid midwest program!!!!

D712

Wow. Race based insult. Twice now. Not just run-of-the-mill name calling. Classy.

And no, I won't complain to the mods. I love for people to have the opportunity to show the world who they really are.

Originally Posted by IDBasco

And no, I won't complain to the mods. I love for people to have the opportunity to show the world who they really are.

Congrats for matching

Originally Posted by IDBasco

Wow. Race based insult. Twice now. Not just run-of-the-mill name calling. Classy.

And no, I won't complain to the mods. I love for people to have the opportunity to show the world who they really are.

Race based??? Haaaaaahahaha. It was a play on your screen name.
Oy. I've had my fun with u. Be well.
D712

Originally Posted by doctor712

Race based??? Haaaaaahahaha. It was a play on your screen name.
Oy. I've had my fun with u. Be well.
D712

Don't know what a Basco is? I thought you were well-rounded...so intelligent and all.

Originally Posted by dhb

Congrats for matching

Thanks man. Can't wait to start.

Originally Posted by IDBasco

Don't know what a Basco is? I thought you were well-rounded...so intelligent and all.

I called u TObasco sauce. Not a Basco. Nor
Do I know what that is. Nor do I care. I'm well rounded.
Just not omnipotent.

Listen, young one, dig yer hole. Knock yourself out. Come after
Noy, Jet and this TEEVEE writer. Let's see how far you get.

D712

Originally Posted by doctor712

I called u TObasco sauce. Not a Basco. Nor
Do I know what that is. Nor do I care. I'm well rounded.
Just not omnipotent.

Listen, young one, dig yer hole. Knock yourself out. Come after
Noy, Jet and this TEEVEE writer. Let's see how far you get.

D712

Originally Posted by IDBasco

Thanks man. Can't wait to start.

Let's be specific, he matched into a PGY-2 anesthesia spot, but didn't match PGY-1 internship.

Good luck with that super-competitive internship spot DI******E.

Be well Gang, taking a break.

D712

Originally Posted by doctor712

Let's be specific, he matched into a PGY-2 anesthesia spot, but didn't match PGY-1 internship.

Good luck with that super-competitive internship spot DI******E.

Be well Gang, taking a break.

D712

It was all set the end of last week. Stay classy!

Originally Posted by Noyac

I still think the post hold is because some youngster complained about being bullied.

Just read some of the posts on this thread. There are some thin skinned sensitive people here. What are these people gonna think out in the real world?

I went back and read Jets last 20 posts and I saw no reason for this action.

Some of you have no friggin idea what is in store for you.

WholelottaMe, I'm picking on you cuz you stood up and spoke which is great. But that just opened the door. What are you gonna do when a surgeon goes to your boss/senior partner and says he doesn't want you in his room anymore unless you are supervised? Trust me, it happens and you can't run to anyone and say you are being bullied.

My money is on an FM mod. I don't see a mod here doing it

Well, Jet got his wish despite having to be martyred for it This forum has turned hateful and dysfunctional again.

I have seen enough account holds on this forum and others and I am a parent. I am not a moderator and have no idea about the truth but this is how I think the Jet thing went down:

Everyone has seen him get more confrontational since his return. He stirred up arguments and didn't play by the forum rules. He was asked by moderators to stop. The fact that someone dared to delete his thread and asked him to post within forum rules made him even more belligerent. He probably had some choice words with the moderators. This led the moderators to give him a cooling off period. As a parent, sometimes stupid little things get blown up and your kids say something that leads to a punishment that is for the response to reprimand and not for the original problem at all. I think the hold was due to his FU response to moderators. I think we have seen over the years that this forum allows quite a bit before even considering banning. I personally doubt that anyone actually asked the moderators to ban him. Therefore, I think that all accusations of thin skinned people reporting Jet (and asking that he banned) are ill advised without knowing what really happened.

Therefore, my theory is that he was not censored for his opinions, beliefs, thoughts, over the top font abuse etc. His account was put "on hold" because he finally crossed the line with the moderating team.

It is my hope that he chooses to return and post within the rules. It is really not that hard and it would not dampen his style or cause him to have to do anything differently. Just follow the rules that apply to everyone.

I think it is unfortunate that some senior members and personal friends of Jet feel the need to try and blame anyone who has disagreed with Jet in the past for him getting put on hold. If my theory is anywhere close to the truth (and I think it has a good chance of being very close), then he picked his battle, made his own mistakes, and is dealing with the consequences. He knew it when he started down the path. I actually think that he may be reveling in it because he is smack dab in the middle of controversy, right where he wants to be. It is kind of like Tom Sawyer getting to attend his own funeral. He gets to see who will take his side and he will get to come back a martyred hero, larger than life. Risen from the grave to save SDN from itself.

We may never know the real story, but I think it is something along those lines.

It is an interesting story. Doctor712, if you turn this into a script, I want at least partial credit.

Originally Posted by Gern Blansten

Well, Jet got his wish despite having to be martyred for it This forum has turned hateful and dysfunctional again.

I have seen enough account holds on this forum and others and I am a parent. I am not a moderator and have no idea about the truth but this is how I think the Jet thing went down:

Everyone has seen him get more confrontational since his return. He stirred up arguments and didn't play by the forum rules. He was asked by moderators to stop. The fact that someone dared to delete his thread and asked him to post within forum rules made him even more belligerent. He probably had some choice words with the moderators. This led the moderators to give him a cooling off period. As a parent, sometimes stupid little things get blown up and your kids say something that leads to a punishment that is for the response to reprimand and not for the original problem at all. I think the hold was due to his FU response to moderators. I think we have seen over the years that this forum allows quite a bit before even considering banning. I personally doubt that anyone actually asked the moderators to ban him. Therefore, I think that all accusations of thin skinned people reporting Jet (and asking that he banned) are ill advised without knowing what really happened.

Therefore, my theory is that he was not censored for his opinions, beliefs, thoughts, over the top font abuse etc. His account was put "on hold" because he finally crossed the line with the moderating team.

It is my hope that he chooses to return and post within the rules. It is really not that hard and it would not dampen his style or cause him to have to do anything differently. Just follow the rules that apply to everyone.

I think it is unfortunate that some senior members and personal friends of Jet feel the need to try and blame anyone who has disagreed with Jet in the past for him getting put on hold. If my theory is anywhere close to the truth (and I think it has a good chance of being very close), then he picked his battle, made his own mistakes, and is dealing with the consequences. He knew it when he started down the path. I actually think that he may be reveling in it because he is smack dab in the middle of controversy, right where he wants to be. It is kind of like Tom Sawyer getting to attend his own funeral. He gets to see who will take his side and he will get to come back a martyred hero, larger than life. Risen from the grave to save SDN from itself.

We may never know the real story, but I think it is something along those lines.

It is an interesting story. Doctor712, if you turn this into a script, I want at least partial credit.

Break over.

Sorry, it's interesting up until IDBasco enters. Then it becomes mediocre. It's a pass for now. But have your people call mine, we'll do lunch.

D712

Originally Posted by doctor712

Listen, young one, dig yer hole. Knock yourself out. Come after
Noy, Jet and this TEEVEE writer. Let's see how far you get.

D712

That is a weird veiled threat. We have chatted (in private messages) in the past and I think you are a nice guy with good intent. However, chastising someone for how much money they make or for "only" getting a residency in a "flyover state" doesn't make you look very good to most people. There are a lot of people who don't live in Hollywood or NYC or other metro areas. It is a fallacy perpetuated by Hollywood that people in those other states are infatuated and envious of those who do live there.
Best wishes.

Originally Posted by Gern Blansten

That is a weird veiled threat. We have chatted (in private messages) in the past and I think you are a nice guy with good intent. However, chastising someone for how much money they make or for "only" getting a residency in a "flyover state" doesn't make you look very good to most people. There are a lot of people who don't live in Hollywood or NYC or other metro areas. It is a fallacy perpetuated by Hollywood that people in those other states are infatuated and envious of those who do live there.
Best wishes.

You're right Gern, we have chatted and I respect you - a lot. I know exactly how crappy that makes me come off (seemingly) but I've had it with that guy. People who know me, know me.

For the record, I genuinely deplore LA. I would be HAPPY living anywhere near the location of one of Sevo or Noy's photos. Trust me. I don't share that feeling about flyover states. That came off wrong. I was more giving him crap about his "solid program". Insert state here, that wasn't the point. But he matched, so it was me being a prick. Period. POint made I think.

And I've been very open here about my distaste for showbiz etc. You take the good with the bad.

Whether that fallacy exists or not, I'm not so sure. We, if more than ANYONE, poke fun at the stupidity that is LA (watch Entourage, Californication and so on.)

The money thing was a low blow, I've never gone there before have I? That should say something. This kiddie comes in here and insults a friend (Jet) and a leader (Noy) and I think there's something to be said for loyalty and speaking up.

As I've said, I'd rather be happy making 40K in residency than making 4,000,000 on a brutal show that doesn't make a soul laugh or cry. Looks like I'm going to have to face that choice REAL soon. Not a brutal show, but a great show. But that's another thread.

D712

Originally Posted by doctor712

I called u TObasco sauce. Not a Basco. Nor
Do I know what that is. Nor do I care. I'm well rounded.
Just not omnipotent.

Listen, young one, dig yer hole. Knock yourself out. Come after
Noy, Jet and this TEEVEE writer. Let's see how far you get.

D712

Wow, passively threatening a poster and then later on down poking fun at his match results. Stay classy, San Diego!

Basco, let's ignore this orangutan in the corner throwing his excrement at the rest of us for a second.

Congrats on your match. Work hard, stay hungry, be honest and true to yourself. Follow that, and you will have a fulfilling residency. I can't believe mine is halfway over already (tear).

Originally Posted by doctor712

Break over.

Sorry, it's interesting up until IDBasco enters. Then it becomes mediocre. It's a pass for now. But have your people call mine, we'll do lunch.

D712

"Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder in which the individual is described as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity."

IJ,

take a look at your initial posts to me on this thread. And IDbasco's. Then take a look in the mirror.

D712

Originally Posted by Ignatius J

"Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder in which the individual is described as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity."

yeah, that's why I moved away from LA to head to medicine. Makes perfect sense.
Great WEB DIAGNOSIS stud. Here here.

D712

Originally Posted by doctor712

You're right Gern, we have chatted and I respect you - a lot. I know exactly how crappy that makes me come off (seemingly) but I've had it with that guy. People who know me, know me.

For the record, I genuinely deplore LA. I would be HAPPY living anywhere near the location of one of Sevo or Noy's photos. Trust me. I don't share that feeling about flyover states. That came off wrong. I was more giving him crap about his "solid program". Insert state here, that wasn't the point. But he matched, so it was me being a prick. Period. POint made I think.

Thanks for the genuine response. I think it tells much more of who you are as a person.
Best of luck in the process.

Originally Posted by doctor712

yeah, that's why I moved away from LA to head to medicine. Makes perfect sense.
Great WEB DIAGNOSIS stud. Here here.

D712

No problem, professional TV writer.

Originally Posted by doctor712

Listen, young one, dig yer hole. Knock yourself out. Come after
Noy, Jet and this TEEVEE writer. Let's see how far you get.

D712

Wtf is this? Look at me and who my friends are? I consider myself impartial to all this new blood vs old bull**** but this has become ridiculous.

Another thread failed.

Now, back into the ring?!
Hopefully you realize those responses were written before they saw your genuine response to me.

Originally Posted by doctor712

As I've said, I'd rather be happy making 40K in residency than making 4,000,000 on a brutal show that doesn't make a soul laugh or cry. Looks like I'm going to have to face that choice REAL soon. Not a brutal show, but a great show. But that's another thread.

D712

Take the money!

PM me the show if you take the job, I don't watch much TV, certainly no great TV shows. Are there any currently? seriously?
Cheers!
We have to get some Laphroaig next time you're in the hood.

I've really never seen a group of people take things the absolute wrong way than these three. At least Copro and Milmd were funny. Damn.
I mention writing to frame my censorship argument, it gets thrown at me. I mention Noy and Jet and it gets thrown at me...LORD.

Gern, thank u.

D712

Originally Posted by Ignatius J

Wow, passively threatening a poster and then later on down poking fun at his match results. Stay classy, San Diego!

Basco, let's ignore this orangutan in the corner throwing his excrement at the rest of us for a second.

Congrats on your match. Work hard, stay hungry, be honest and true to yourself. Follow that, and you will have a fulfilling residency. I can't believe mine is halfway over already (tear).

Are you kidding me? I'm having a ball with this thread.

And thanks for the congrats. Insults from someone that hasn't even entered med school mean nothing to me.

Oh, and 40k vs. 4mill? Maybe if you were an actor. Stay jealous!

Oops. Almost forgot...

Originally Posted by Gern Blansten

Now, back into the ring?!
Hopefully you realize those responses were written before they saw your genuine response to me.

This. D712 I don't know why you feel the need to go all out and get in a word battle with everyone. Next time perhaps prudence would be warranted?

I'm just sayin as a regular forum reader....

Originally Posted by TeamZissou

This. D712 I don't know why you feel the need to go all out and get in a word battle with everyone. Next time perhaps prudence would be warranted?

I'm just sayin as a regular forum reader....

TZ,

Really, I don't go out after everyone. I've bit my tongue a thousand times. I'm just LOUD when I do it, so, ya know. Rubs people the wrong way. Prudence would be warranted by BOTH sides, so send this message to yer cronies.

D712