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This obviously sounds like fraud. I've read the Toftness device he uses was banned by the FDA, and nothing he does sounds remotely like chiropractics, despite him billing insurance for such. I feel he should be reported, but I'm a little afraid of blowback from relatives and the community. The state doesn't allow anonymous reporting, and a copy of the report would be sent to the chiropractor and most of the investigation made open to the public eventually. Do physicians have a legal obligation to report this? Any suggestions on how to handle this? |
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Is it possible to report him to whatever licensing board? Or is that the group that has no anonymous reporting? Is it possible to report him to your state's attorney general instead?
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I have been helped by real adjustments coupled with PT, but not the stuff he's talking about... either way, it's a personal preference... anyway, since the state doesn't consider chiro in and of itself a sham, you need to move beyond that in regards to this question...
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It's not fraud because of a lack of evidence for chiropractics. It's fraud because the Toftness device exam and fixing people's auras are not chiropractic procedures. He is billing for services/procedures that are not being provided. And since the FDA banned the sale and production of the Toftness devices and ordered chiropractors to surrender ones they had purchased, is it even legal to use one now?
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Back to the OP's questions, I have never heard of any physician being sanctioned for not reporting a bad DC. Ed
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Call the state chiro board and ask if Toftness is a legit technique in that state. If it is, end of story.
Be aware that there are many chiropractic techniques and that this DC may indeed be performing a legit form of treatment, aside from Toftness, that is legal and billable. Fraud may be a tough case to make. If Toftness is expressly prohibited in that state and Toftness is exactly the only thing this chiro does, then perhaps you've got something. Otherwise forget it. Last edited by facetguy; 03-15-2012 at 05:21 PM. |
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In fact, chiropractic spinal manipulation has been found to be ineffective for every medical condition. At one point it was believed to be effective for certain types of lower back pain, but the more recent systematic reviews find it ineffective for all conditions: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21952385 Some SBM skeptics wrote about it here: http://www.skepticalhealth.com/2012/...ble-profession Some of the biggest fears of chiropractic treatment is the recruitment of patients to all of their quackery, such as the bogus "aura" diagnostic machine, or their anti-vaccination propaganda, and all of that. I've spent a long time working in an orthos office during college and saw at least 2 patients a week who were diagnosed with scoliosis, or spinal spurs, or "uneven hips" by chiropractors, and nearly every time the patient's xrays were completely normal. And let's not even mention vertebral artery dissection. |
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Uneven hips... I have them... because my right leg is .5" shorter than my left. Scoliosis, my cousin has the worst case I've ever seen because her parents didn't treat it when she was a kid, she looks like the Hunchback of ND... moveable joints can and do slip and slide, if you weren't behind a computer I could show you how my clavical slips out of place and I have to 'crack' it back into place... if you've never been blessed with it be thankful...
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I sent a rather lengthy letter to the state board detailing my experience with him, the Toftness detector, his treatment of correcting patients' auras, and included a copy of the FDA ruling on the device. I asked how investigations were typically conducted, if an investigator needed my contact info, etc... This is the reply I just received from the state board:
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I don't think you have a "legal obligation to report" as you've asked. You do have a legal obligation to not get involved in the fraud.
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I can't imagine any reason why you'd be obligated to report this practice. We are typically legally obligated to report things that will harm a patient. Although this guy may be emptying his clients wallets he's not harming them. As far as billing fraud, that might be something to report to his insurer or one of the larger health insurance companies in your town. It may not be looked into, but at least you'll rest easier.
That chiropractic board response is frightening. |
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