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"In a paper in the New England Journal of Medicine last July he described an experiment with asthma inhalers. The real ones improved patients’ lung function by 20%, compared with 7% for the alternatives: a dummy inhaler or acupuncture. But patients judged the effectiveness of the three therapies to be about the same"
This looks to be the real problem. How can we even begin to differentiate the merit of science-based medicine from that of complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) when patients themselves don't even realize when they are getting better? This may also come down to scientific illiteracy. A 2009 PISA (Programme of International Student Assessment) found the scientific literacy of the United States to be ~17th. Keep in mind that puts us behind former eastern block gems such as Poland and Estonia. If CAM outmodes science-based medicine we will have officially decayed from the Age of Information to the Age of Ignorance. Just my 2cents. |
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This hits way too close to home for me. My long distance girlfriend has a lot of anxiety, and she really is just avoiding psychiatry because of the stigma. She's gotten nausea issues that don't seem to respond to anything, and it just gets worse. I try to explain to her how bad stress can be, but to no avail.
She's likes the Naturopathic doctor because he basically spends time with her. It's too bad, because she gets great grades and is pre med. |
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when I told her my symptoms. Or she's knocked up. :P As for the article, I think we need to understand these alternative therapies more. Even if not to prescribe them, but at least to understand what pts are doing to their bodies. If we automatically assume that researching something equals support for the therapy, we'll undermine our progress in science as well. These alternatives may have some interesting information that we can get to enlighten us even more about how our bodies function. I also think that these treatments are showing a lot more into what the population thinks of current medicine. There's obviously a disconnect between patients and their belief that modern medicine can really help them. |
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Last edited by otggwmfs; 05-21-2012 at 07:29 AM. |
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As an aside, I'd propose the more (yet far less well-studied/understood) side of the question is actually how placebos compare to no treatment conditions. That topic has important implications for how medicine really works and, perhaps, how we could improve patient care. |
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The general pattern with acupuncture studies is that the better the study design, the better the placebo control group, and the larger the number of subjects, the more likely the study is to find that there's no effect. The studies that do find a large effect are overwhelmingly small studies with poor control groups that are done by acupuncture proponents and/or come out of China. I don't think it's hard to look at this pattern and come to a conclusion about the efficacy of acupuncture. Last edited by phltz; 04-14-2012 at 02:59 PM. |
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Last edited by otggwmfs; 05-21-2012 at 07:29 AM. |
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Yes and she has tried eating gluten free. It's also tough to get appointments with GI specialists, who even then hurry you through tests, so I can understand why some people are switching to a doctor that feels better. |
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As for all the supplements and junk out there, they may or may not work; again, if they have an active ingredient then I hope they are studied further and become a part of medicine. If they work, they can become part of medicine period, not alternative medicine. Unlike what this douchebag doctor says, no one fundamentally discriminates against a compound that is actually proven to be efficacious just because it's from a plant that has been used in central America for hundreds of years or something. But this moron makes a fortune through miseducation and lies, telling the scientifically illiterate public that traditional medicine is discriminating against his products because they are alternative? No, we discriminate against it because every meta-analysis on it shows no significant difference from placebo. A******. This is the same guy who got a smackdown from the FDA for selling some of his products by telling the public it would treat or cure their H1N1 flu. Last edited by Suncrusher; 04-15-2012 at 06:34 AM. |
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I've worked with CAM treatments for a while, not to promote them but rather to see which ones actually have scientific evidence backing them and which don't. Since I'm more involved in the field of psychiatry, treatments that I've looked at pertain to different psychiatric illnesses ie. generalized anxiety disorder, major depressive disorder, bipolar disorder 1 and 2. Some DO have literature backing them, such as omega-3-fatty acids which can be used to treat mild-to-moderate depression, or some forms of yoga which have the same effects. However, they're still classified as complementary and alternative treatments simply because they're not fully yet integrated in modern Western medicine. Since adherence to many standard medication regimes is (unfortunately) low, it's good to see what CAM works and what doesn't so that we can spread this scientific information to the masses and not have the whole "hurr I don't want to see my MD cause they're all about the money" and whatnot.
That all being said, yes, there are many forms of CAM which are complete and utter bull****. It's time that we actually look at the ones that don't work/may even have adverse effects in patients and inform them of their inefficacy. Just food for thought
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At least with these alternatives someone is there to hear and offer support for the patient. |
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Vous desirez some snake oils?
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taking shots at fanatical devotion to double-blind randomized prospective studies is fair.
translating that distaste into acceptance of the healing power of wizard farts is not |
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If you don't trust placebo controlled double-blind randomized trials, what would you rather go on, personal anecdotes?
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Oh great, you've just summoned the f-guy.
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Also, homeopathy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0 Last edited by O2Doc; 04-16-2012 at 05:26 PM. Reason: embedding fail |
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