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Originally Posted by chinsupak

What about dentists? It's either dentist or pharmacy for me. Thanks in advance!

Go Podiatry...-face palm-

Originally Posted by chinsupak

What about dentists? It's either dentist or pharmacy for me. Thanks in advance!

The Gap down the street from my house is hiring in case someone tells you dentistry is also saturated (which I think it is).

Originally Posted by chinsupak

What about dentists? It's either dentist or pharmacy for me. Thanks in advance!

Hey, how about you just pretend to be an architect there, Vandalay, and call it a day?

If only we had a mega-thread that discussed all things regarding the Pharmacy Job Market.

Originally Posted by chinsupak

Sorry for such an attention getting topic.

I'm a sophomore in college and English is not my primary language as you will fine out soon with my grammar issues.

I am a pre-pharmacy student and I was getting ready for studying for PCAT.

My friend recommended me to join this forum because I will "learn a lot" from here.

As I was researching about prepharm and stuff, I couldn't help but notice that people swearing about how this field is saturated and "too many pharmacist no jobs".

Well I've read their comments thoroughly and I've decided not to work in retail stores.

I'm thinking about joining the military and of course the military will pay for my tuition for pharmacy school and etc. (those of you who might wonder: I'm a citizen of the United States)

If I do join the military I'm sure I'm joining the Air Force.

If there is any, I would like to know more about becoming an Air Force pharmacist.

1. Job security
2. Life style
3. Last but not least, Salary.

P.s. is it too early for me to start preparing for PCAT? I'm a horrible "national exam" taker. I got 18 on ACT like 3-4 times. But I'm currently maintaining a decent GPA (3.73). Have not taken all prerequisite courses obviously but I really want to know if it is too early for me to be prepared. I know for a fact verbal and RC part is going to destroy me so should I start memorizing GRE vocabs now?


Sorry for a novel and your help would be very appreciated.
Thank you in advance.

Originally Posted by Hello2000

Originally Posted by BidingMyTime

Well, this thread will be moved, of course. And I know nothing about the military.

But to your other questions....18 is a very low ACT score for a pharmacy school. I'm pretty sure that a 0-6 yr school would never accept a pharmacy student with a score that low. 25-26 would probably be the limit--and the student would have to have ALOT of other positives to counterbalance their low (for pharmacy school) ACT. However, you aren't looking at 0-6yrs, so you will have other opportunities to redeem yourself. But I'm guessing it will be alot of work. What were your individual scores on the ACT? If it's the English portion pulling you down, than that is the area you need to work on. If you got low scores in the math & science part, that is more concerning (although I realize that could be because of the language difficulty) Your current GPA is good....but what kind of classes are you taking? Pharmacy school is very science heavy, and you need to be comfortable with math too. Given your low ACT, I don't think its too early to start studying for the PCAT.

Originally Posted by steveysmith54

i emailed air force couple of month ago, they said right now they are not looking for pharmacists...

sorry buddy, air force is saturated too

Originally Posted by ravingrabbid

talked to one of my army friends last month, they're not hiring either.

Originally Posted by chinsupak

Well I'm not applying for 0-6 Yr schools. My plan is to finish my bachelors and apply within next year. To your answer to what classes I'm taking: I took calc 1 and 2, bio 1 and 2, and I'm currently taking genetics physics and Gen. Chem. 1 which I'm pulling all As in. I got As in both bio courses. But thanks a lot for reality answers! I appreciate it. A in calc 1 and B in calc 2 as well

Originally Posted by chinsupak

What about dentists? It's either dentist or pharmacy for me. Thanks in advance!

Originally Posted by ACE Rx

Go Podiatry...-face palm-

Originally Posted by eagles22

The Gap down the street from my house is hiring in case someone tells you dentistry is also saturated (which I think it is).

Originally Posted by StevePerry

Hey, how about you just pretend to be an architect there, Vandalay, and call it a day?

Originally Posted by gotdrugs

If only we had a mega-thread that discussed all things regarding the Pharmacy Job Market.

Indeed. Merging.

With the job market looking so bad, I'm tempted to apply for a pharmacy technician job at a local area hospital after getting my PharmD. I know what you're probably thinking: "what a loser", but it's basically impossible for me to get my foot in the hospital pharmacy door given that I: 1) failed to get a residency, 2) have minimal inpatient pharmacy hospital experience (besides P4 rotations), and 3) have minimal-to-nil hospital pharmacist connections. Hopefully I'll be able to apply for an inpatient pharmacist job once I get my foot in the door and show them that I am motivated and perform well.
I live in a large city, and don't want to move to middle-of-nowhere as a pharmacist cause I know I'll be miserable.

Originally Posted by zjm

With the job market looking so bad, I'm tempted to apply for a pharmacy technician job at a local area hospital after getting my PharmD. I know what you're probably thinking: "what a loser", but it's basically impossible for me to get my foot in the hospital pharmacy door given that I: 1) failed to get a residency, 2) have minimal inpatient pharmacy hospital experience (besides P4 rotations), and 3) have minimal-to-nil hospital pharmacist connections. Hopefully I'll be able to apply for an inpatient pharmacist job once I get my foot in the door and show them that I am motivated and perform well.
I live in a large city, and don't want to move to middle-of-nowhere as a pharmacist cause I know I'll be miserable.

Why does everyone seem to think that the only two places to live are either a massive metropolis or a cornfield? A city with fewer than half a million people might not have all the bells and whistles of LA or NY, but it hardly qualifies as 'middle of nowhere'.

Originally Posted by hye345

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Why does everyone seem to think that the only two places to live are either a massive metropolis or a cornfield? A city with fewer than half a million people might not have all the bells and whistles of LA or NY, but it hardly qualifies as 'middle of nowhere'.

Problem is, there are no jobs in those cities "with fewer than half a million people" that you talk about.
Even the DM of a retail chain that I've talked to said that the availablities that are left are in "places where not many grads are willing to go" (i.e. backwater places like a town of 5000 in VT).

Originally Posted by zjm

Problem is, there are no jobs in those cities "with fewer than half a million people" that you talk about.
Even the DM of a retail chain that I've talked to said that the availablities that are left are in "places where not many grads are willing to go" (i.e. backwater places like a town of 5000 in VT).

I've heard the same

Originally Posted by hye345

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Why does everyone seem to think that the only two places to live are either a massive metropolis or a cornfield? A city with fewer than half a million people might not have all the bells and whistles of LA or NY, but it hardly qualifies as 'middle of nowhere'.

Originally Posted by zjm

Problem is, there are no jobs in those cities "with fewer than half a million people" that you talk about.
Even the DM of a retail chain that I've talked to said that the availablities that are left are in "places where not many grads are willing to go" (i.e. backwater places like a town of 5000 in VT).

Originally Posted by joetrisman

I've heard the same

I've declined one full time offer in a moderate-sized city. I have another interview next week, for the same geographic area. But I'm not a new grad.

Originally Posted by zjm

Problem is, there are no jobs in those cities "with fewer than half a million people" that you talk about.
Even the DM of a retail chain that I've talked to said that the availablities that are left are in "places where not many grads are willing to go" (i.e. backwater places like a town of 5000 in VT).

Indeed. I have exactly the same situation as you (except I do live in a smaller size town), and I have been having a similar experience. Not sure about the whole idea of working as a tech, but maybe it would work out?! Do people hire pharmacists as techs these days?...That is so sad if this is what we've come to.

Originally Posted by Pillmaster

Will there be too many new graduates in the future? Things to consider:

1) In the lean years with fewer graduates e.g. 2000, there we about 7500 Pharm D.s graduating.
2) In another 4 years from now, there will be about 9000 - 9500 graduating (assuming a 12% average attition rate in pharmacy school) due to the complete transition to Pharm D., lots more new schools and expansion of existing programs. We are talking of a about 25% increase in number of graduates.
3) Women working part time is a factor in reducing the effective number of graduates, but not as much as people state that it is - it works out to about a 15% reduction in full time equivalent pharmacists. It is not like most of them work half time.
4) In the past 4 years, the "shortage" of pharmacists has been whittled down from about 7000 to about 3500. This is in spite of increased retail openings (retail growth rates should level off or be lower in the future) and increased volumes - this means that at an annual rate of 7500 graduates - you still have a slight oversupply. The excess at this point is nearly equivalent to, say, the number needed to staff K Mart pharmacies - if they went under which is a distinct possibility, the shortage may be mostly wiped out.
5) Mail order (with its greatly reduced need for pharmacists for each unit of work performed) handles more business than independents - and more growth is on the way.
6) A move towards 90-day refills will affect the approximately 50% retail business which is for chronic medications. This will reduce some work.
7) Automation, e-prescriptions, RFIDs will reduce the need for multiple Pharm D.s at a pharmacy. At the current salary levels, retail will surely try and reduce the number of Pharm D.s needed.


However, in spite of quoting some of the numbers mentioned above, you see newspaper articles state that there will be a shortage in the future. I don't see the logic. Seems fashionable at this time to perpetuate the myth of a shortage. Clinical positions are supposed to increase the need for Pharm D.s in the future, but as the manpower and other studies state, the expected clinical positions are a perceived need by the guardians of the profession and are not projections of actual demand.

Does anyone have a take on these facts? Thanks!

Kudos to this person...Back in 2005, not a lot of people were complaining about the job market at all. Seven years later, the profession is facing many problems listed here.

So a classmate was asking about jobs....she was told, "Tucson is not hiring."

:banghead:

Originally Posted by notafraid87

Kudos to this person...Back in 2005, not a lot of people were complaining about the job market at all. Seven years later, the profession is facing many problems listed here.

All of what Pillmaster said is true but he/she didn't factor in retiring pharmacists which is supposed to be a lot in the next 10 yrs...the baby boomers retiring not only leads to more demand in healthcare, BUT all their jobs are gonna be vacant too I don't think the economy is gonna pick up because of politicans doing the right things, I think it'll pick up just because so many people will start retiring and there will be so many jobs vacant...

So true about the propheted demand in clinical pharmacy. clinical pharmacists tout this horn but is it actually gonna happen, on a large scale? there's the idea of being classified as providers...but i don't know how that would logistically work out. Like I charge $xx per hour for talking to you about how to take your drugs and managing all of them? Pharmacists can provide services but it's mostly...how do I say this, "talking" services right? lol. Whereas physicians do examinations, physical procedures, more palpable things I guess. Isn't it easier to charge for, say... a "pap smear" or "endoscopy" or "eye exam". Also don't forget NPs/PAs are on the rise too and they can fill the provider need as well.

Thinking long term though, like way in the future...there's going to be SO many more drugs out, more complicated interactions, personalized medicine with pharmacogenitics being the norm...someone needs to be on top of all that and it's going to be the pharmacist but I'm not sure what exact role they can play other than doing what they do now, working in a hospital and advising doctors/nurses...

In case my post wasn't disorganized enough with random thoughts, here's another random piece of information to think about...http://www.pharmacypracticenews.com/...829&a_id=20485

Originally Posted by rxlea

So a classmate was asking about jobs....she was told, "Tucson is not hiring."

:banghead:

Also a lot of people have said pharmacy is gonna turn into law school...well I'm not too sure of this right now because I'm a prepharm but I see the JD being more versatile than the PharmD. If you can't find employment in a big law firm you can work for businesses, start your own firm, do soo many things. I actually met a hiring manager once who was a JD. She did nothing legal-related but she was able to sell herself to the company because she knew about all the employee laws and stuff. Whereas pharmacists are more limited, there's only X amount of retail and hospital jobs...independent pharmacy is dying...so what else? Maybe some superstar positions here and there but most pharmacists would have a hard time, I think, doing something else but closely related with their degree. I would love opponents to this thought because this kind of concerns me!

Originally Posted by mustang sally

Indeed. I have exactly the same situation as you (except I do live in a smaller size town), and I have been having a similar experience. Not sure about the whole idea of working as a tech, but maybe it would work out?! Do people hire pharmacists as techs these days?...That is so sad if this is what we've come to.

I can't see many places hiring a pharmacist as a technician. I've only heard of this happening once, and it involved a pharmacist who had been out of the workforce for many years & let her license lapse, and was required by the state to log so many technician hours as a requirement to get her license back.

I think most places would see too much risk of conflict between the pharmacist-technician and the pharmacist. Not to mention, the employer would rightly be concerned about the cost of training, only to have the pharmacist-technician leave as soon as they got a pharmacist job. If a pharmacist is a good enough salesperson to convince someone to hire them as a tech....well, they'd have already sold someone on hiring them as a pharmacist.

Originally Posted by BidingMyTime

I can't see many places hiring a pharmacist as a technician.

True. I know a couple people that asked about that, and they were told that pharmacists are not allowed to work as technicians.

Originally Posted by rxlea

So a classmate was asking about jobs....she was told, "Tucson is not hiring."

:banghead:

Woah, doesn't Tucson mean "Toilet of Arizona" in Spanish? How the hell are they not hiring? Where else in AZ would be hiring????

Originally Posted by StevePerry

Woah, doesn't Tucson mean "Toilet of Arizona" in Spanish? How the hell are they not hiring? Where else in AZ would be hiring????

Wtf? I love Tucson.

You must be thinking Yuma. Or Nogales. Or Sierra vista.

Originally Posted by njac

Wtf? I love Tucson.

You must be thinking Yuma. Or Nogales. Or Sierra vista.

Oh I could be wrong, everyone I knew from Phoenix always dumped on Tucson... maybe they meant the surrounding areas?

Originally Posted by StevePerry

Oh I could be wrong, everyone I knew from Phoenix always dumped on Tucson... maybe they meant the surrounding areas?

Definitely the surrounding areas.

Tucson > Phoenix..... by like 1000000000x.

I grew up in Phoenix and it is nothing like it used to be...especially after all the loony bins from California moved over for the cheaper COL.

I would pick to live in Tucson a million times over Phoenix. Smaller town feel with all the amenities of a big city, tons of community and cultural events, beautiful surroundings, plenty to do, and who doesn't like a dark sky rule? Always stuff going on down here in T-town. Quit being a hater

Originally Posted by StevePerry

Oh I could be wrong, everyone I knew from Phoenix always dumped on Tucson... maybe they meant the surrounding areas?

Pretty sure we're just jealous. Those of us in Phoenix wouldn't know what a night life is if it lowered a disco ball & started strippin'.

Originally Posted by rxlea

Definitely the surrounding areas.

Tucson > Phoenix..... by like 1000000000x.

I grew up in Phoenix and it is nothing like it used to be...especially after all the loony bins from California moved over for the cheaper COL.

I would pick to live in Tucson a million times over Phoenix. Smaller town feel with all the amenities of a big city, tons of community and cultural events, beautiful surroundings, plenty to do, and who doesn't like a dark sky rule? Always stuff going on down here in T-town. Quit being a hater

I'm not hatin on Tucson -- never been there, assumed it was pretty crappy if people from Phoenix were seriously hating on Tucson, but then again they were all the CA transplants that you love ... I guess it stands to reason that Tucson would be the most saturated area in AZ then as it sounds pretty badass... I heard AZ is pretty saturated as a state anyways, not sure if there is any truth to that or just hyperbole?

Originally Posted by StevePerry

I'm not hatin on Tucson -- never been there, assumed it was pretty crappy if people from Phoenix were seriously hating on Tucson, but then again they were all the CA transplants that you love ... I guess it stands to reason that Tucson would be the most saturated area in AZ then as it sounds pretty badass... I heard AZ is pretty saturated as a state anyways, not sure if there is any truth to that or just hyperbole?

There is still a high need in rural areas but everyone wants to live in the cities. But yeah, job market sucks here too. We are fully staffed now at my hospital (in Phoenix). Some people are set to retire soon, though. I told them they need to get out when I graduate


Besides, the cali people that come to arizona are all the "totally" cool I'm going to live in a big house in scottsdale with granite counter tops, spanish tile, and salt water pool out back. They drive their hummer to whole foods and shop for organic tree fruit in their yoga pants before going to pick up their kiddos at ballet practice lol generalizing but still... Scottsdale types don't like Tucson. Tucson is more laid back, liberal, and has a lot of hippie type mentality. There are a lot of intellectuals too because of the university and several medical/research facilities. But, it's a true college town. I can go to Quik Trip in my guitar hero pajama pants to buy red bull at midnight and nobody gives a crap

In scottsdale, women wear makeup to the sauna.

I've just completed my first year of pharmacy prerequisites, but this board has made me pessimistic about becoming a pharmacist. A lot of you are saying that the demand for pharmacists is going down (because of the increasing supply of new grads), starting pay is becoming lower than loan debt, and worst of all, the pharmD degree is becoming worthless.

Is the future for pharmacists really as bleak as these forum members are saying?:


Member 338858DGT,have you ever worked in a pharmacy? If you haven't, GET A JOB IN A PHARMACY -any pharmacy, be it hospital, retail, LTC, etc. so you know what this job'sreally like. Too many people find the theory interesting but the practiceunappealing, and if you're going to spend 4 years and many thousands of dollarsto obtain a degree that is becoming more and more worthless (yes, you read thatright), at least know what you'd be getting into once you're out.

Quiksilver
Startingsalary for newly minted pharmacists are decreasing especially in the hospitalwhere they know they have lots of demand and limited supply. I've heard from afew sources that they are starting people out in the 85 K range in somehospitals.

TemSirolimus
Ithink we should all have some back up plan of some sort. I believe pharmacy asa profession will undergo some changes
in the next 10 years or so. If anything, the market will surely try to correctitself with the influx of new grads.

pezdispenser
Youcan't just pay whatever schools charge because they will charge as much asstudents are willing to pay (see the vicious cycle?). On the other end of thebalance, we are starting to see claims of salaries coming down, and unemployedpharmacists, yet some of you choose to stick your head in the sand and notbelieve them. Well, when you analyze it financially you will see that thebalance is turning more and more against pharmacy being a good investment. Andonce the 'herd' realizes this, the bubble will burst and some of you could beleft holding a very, very big bag of ****.


BidingMyTime
Whoa.I was working in hospital making $44.00/hr in the early 90's...well before thepharmacist shortage hit. In 2012, that any starting pharmacist job (outside ofthe military or government) would pay this low is a very bad sign for thefuture of pharmacy.
Ido see the pharmacist salary busting, just like pretty much everything else inthis economy. The big problem as has been mentioned, for every college student,but especially pharmacy students is the massive debt load. My very first jobout of college was $32,000/year, which was just fine to work on my $20,000debt. An $80,000/year job with a $150,000 debt is still workable. But ifsalaries keep fall lower, if finding an actual job gets more difficult, whilecollege debt grows higher....there is a point where its not going to be worthit.

Its Z
Unfortunatelywe keep.cranking out pharmacists more than ever while the real estate marketquickly shut it down. This is the biggest challenge yet. If you're a pharmacistthat can be quickly.replaced by another one who has a pulse, maybe you're atthe highest risk group. Im confident that most pharmacistsin inpatient settingwill face less salary scrutiny than others albeit there are staffingproductivity pressures everywhere.

sychoandy

this,so much. a couple years ago, economic models were built so that it wasimpossible to create a scenario where there is a negative year in housing. ithink pharmacists are the same way. everyone is getting over 100k in loans andat the same time expects to make 110k and more, and that the salary will nevergo down. boggles my mind why people don't hope for the best and prepare for theworst.


ype b pharmD
Ifsomeone has 300k in debt, but would be expected to pay 90% of their income on a120k income toward debt, but only 10-15% of their income toward debt on a lowerincome bracket, standard of living calculations actually disincentivize seekingout a high paying job. Society benefits most when people can work in theirfield of expertise and have a low default risk. Paying back 75+% of your incometoward loans is basically asking for a default if something was to go wrong ona day to day basis (what about if car breaks down or house catches fire forexample). If my standard of living post graduation was going to be the sameworking as a pharmacist as if i was working as a walmart greeter, I'd go takethe minimum wage job, way less stressful!

johnnydrama
Howfuture proof are PharmD jobs? I'm sure there will always be a place for realpharmacologists in the hospital, but something like retail strikes me as aprime opportunity for automation. If more prescriptions were electronic, Iwould think it wouldn't really require a human presence at all.

Not 5 years out, but 10-20 is a distinct possibility.

pharmtunes, I merged your thread with the Job Outlook thread we have going over here in the Pharmacy forum.

I lol'd

The outlook for us, future pharmacists, is gloomy, for sure. One of my classmates received an email yesterday from CVS turning her down for an internship she applied for, stating that 'there will be no positions open post graduation in the area she selected' (Austin, TX)
We are just wrapping up our P1 year and there will be no jobs with CVS in Austin 3 years from now?!?! It just sounds so extreme.

Originally Posted by dxb8307

The outlook for us, future pharmacists, is gloomy, for sure. One of my classmates received an email yesterday from CVS turning her down for an internship she applied for, stating that 'there will be no positions open post graduation in the area she selected' (Austin, TX)
We are just wrapping up our P1 year and there will be no jobs with CVS in Austin 3 years from now?!?! It just sounds so extreme.

Austin has been saturated, according to my local Austin/Houston reject.

Yay, the wife just got a job in Philly.

I'ma go wallow around in money bags now.

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

Yay, the wife just got a job in Philly.

I'ma go wallow around in money bags now.

beats the shack.

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

Yay, the wife just got a job in Philly.

I'ma go wallow around in money bags now.

Congratulations Mikey.

That is great news.

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

Yay, the wife just got a job in Philly.

I'ma go wallow around in money bags now.

Congratulations on your money bags.

How long did she have to look for a job?

She graduated in 2010.

Yep, Austin has been saturated for quite some time thanks to the presence of UT's pharmacy school. Most students don't want to leave post graduation.

Currently, if you want a job in the state of Texas, the Panhandle and Valley areas are the only ones that seem to be hiring. El Paso is as well.

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

She graduated in 2010.

And she has been unemployed and looking since then? Yikes.

Well, good news for her to find a pharmacist position at last.

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

Yay, the wife just got a job in Philly.

I'ma go wallow around in money bags now.

dont forget the dream, a double wide and two ford taurus

Originally Posted by Rph888

dont forget the dream, a double wide and two ford taurus

I got a house, a Taurus, and a Sable (which is basically a Taurus.)

I'd say I finally made it.

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

I got a house, a Taurus, and a Sable (which is basically a Taurus.)

I'd say I finally made it.

So if I want to live in a big city, I should drop out and change my major?

Originally Posted by wtpharm81

Yep, Austin has been saturated for quite some time thanks to the presence of UT's pharmacy school. Most students don't want to leave post graduation.

Currently, if you want a job in the state of Texas, the Panhandle and Valley areas are the only ones that seem to be hiring. El Paso is as well.

El Paso looks like a nice place. They never dump the bodies there!

That sucks ass about Austin, what a great place...

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

Yay, the wife just got a job in Philly.

I'ma go wallow around in money bags now.

Wonderful!!!

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

I got a house, a Taurus, and a Sable (which is basically a Taurus.)

I'd say I finally made it.

... and with all of that good fortune, now you can buy a Taurus with yarn-infused interior suede.

Don't listen to all these doom and gloomers. They represent the small samples of the pharmacy student and pharmacists out of the entire profession. All jobs are at risks no matter what the condition of the economy. If you want to leave this profession just because you think that you won't find a job once you graduate, then fine, that means I have more options open for me once I graduate. Hoorrahhh

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

I got a house, a Taurus, and a Sable (which is basically a Taurus.)

I'd say I finally made it.

BTW, funny question, are you black? I think you're cool.

Originally Posted by hye345

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Why does everyone seem to think that the only two places to live are either a massive metropolis or a cornfield? A city with fewer than half a million people might not have all the bells and whistles of LA or NY, but it hardly qualifies as 'middle of nowhere'.

They don't want to move to a small town because there aren't pretty girls/boys there.

Originally Posted by ImmunoPharmD

BTW, funny question, are you black? I think you're cool.

That's a complex question for me.

My biological grandaddy, the exhaulted cyclops of the cleveland kkk circa 1950s, had a love child with an underage mulatto girl (I wanna say 1/4...maybe 1/8th)...which was my momma. She was then floated down the ohio river adoption style to parkersburg, wv where a white couple raised her. She then married my daddy, the head grocery clerk at the local kroger grocery store. They had me. Then when I was real young , she ran off with her marijuana dealer. After the divorce, she and my stepdaddy were awarded custody even though they were known to be using crack at the time. Now my stepdaddy was black...and became the main male influence on me. And his family raised me, too. His momma was what we called a bona fide colored lady. Classy lady...good influence on me. She just happened to have like 3 kids grew up to be crackheads. But this did a doozy on me. Because I learned to act differently depending on where I was. Black family, I spoke with that drawl. Biological daddys house...spoke slight hillbilly...at school, neutral american. I can fluently speak with a hillbilly, neutral white, or african american accent.

So to answer your question...biologically, barely...socially, partially...I look white as hell. Blue eyes, pale skin. Bit my hair goes all fro when out grows way out. Hence, I always have short hair. I think it looks goofy on me.

On my census forms, I just put down "American heritage."

So there's your answer.

...so that's a no then.

I prefer "not really."

That 1/32nd is just enough to not be able to claim minority status, so legally it is "no." Perhaps that's what I should go with.

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

I prefer "not really."

That 1/32nd is just enough to not be able to claim minority status, so legally it is "no." Perhaps that's what I should go with.

I'm sorry, I can't comprehend the whole hillbilly accent unless it is the ones I've seen on TV. Either way man, I still think you're cool.

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