Can a DO graduate get a job at an urgent care clinic?

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Hello,

Is it true that if I decide to go to an osteopathic school, when I graduate I will have a harder time finding a job at an urgent care clinic? Do these clinics prefer an MD degree?

Any thoughts on this field?

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Originally Posted by brtred

Hello,

Is it true that if I decide to go to an osteopathic school, when I graduate I will have a harder time finding a job at an urgent care clinic? Do these clinics prefer an MD degree?

Any thoughts on this field?

Only because I am in funky mood but:

No they don't prefer MD's, and frankly they don't like DO's either.

If you want to work urgent care, go become a PA/NP and accept the fact you are looking for work better suited for a mid-level rather than a newly minted physician.

That said:

Originally Posted by brtred

Hello,

Is it true that if I decide to go to an osteopathic school, when I graduate I will have a harder time finding a job at an urgent care clinic? Do these clinics prefer an MD degree?

Any thoughts on this field?

A potted plant could gat a job at an urgent care clinic. They'll take anyonne with a pulse and a degree

Originally Posted by Instatewaiter

A potted plant could gat a job at an urgent care clinic. They'll take anyonne with a pulse and a degree

Not quite, you need a license and a DEA number. But that all

Originally Posted by brtred

Hello,

Is it true that if I decide to go to an osteopathic school, when I graduate I will have a harder time finding a job at an urgent care clinic? Do these clinics prefer an MD degree?

Any thoughts on this field?

Degree title is not the only factor.

Hmm, no. DOs are typically employed by large home improvement centers or similar establishments. If you sTROLL around the aisles a bit, you'll see them. Next question.

Originally Posted by brtred

Hello,

Is it true that if I decide to go to an osteopathic school, when I graduate I will have a harder time finding a job at an urgent care clinic? Do these clinics prefer an MD degree?

Any thoughts on this field?

Dang, why are all these folks coming out of the woodwork this week? Yikes.

LET ME MAKE MYSELF VERY CLEAR
I went to DO school
I went to DO residency.
I am not ashamed of my degree.
I am board certified in family medicine and OMM
I have never been discriminated for my degree.
I have never been asked what my grades were or my scores were by patients
I make the same if not more than my MD counterparts
I looked at rural fellowships, decided I didn't need to do one.

I work URGENT CARE/HOSPITALIST/GENERAL CLINIC/ and ER


YOU GUYS GOT IT???? QUIT IT!!!!

Originally Posted by cabinbuilder

Dang, why are all these folks coming out of the woodwork this week? Yikes.

LET ME MAKE MYSELF VERY CLEAR
I went to DO school
I went to DO residency.
I am not ashamed of my degree.
I am board certified in family medicine and OMM
I have never been discriminated for my degree.
I have never been asked what my grades were or my scores were by patients
I make the same if not more than my MD counterparts
I looked at rural fellowships, decided I didn't need to do one.

I work URGENT CARE/HOSPITALIST/GENERAL CLINIC/ and ER


YOU GUYS GOT IT???? QUIT IT!!!!

you make the same

"if not more" is just a rhetorical way to drive the "sameness" home. just sayin

No, I make more because I do locums and I am more versatile in what I can do and how much call that I take.

I am working at urgent care currently with an MD and we were place by the same company. I make a higher rate because I have more experience and amd more versitile in how much money I make for the clinic. Just saying.

those are intangibles.

I make more because I work more is not really what was implied. As was discussed at length in another thread there is no discernible difference in salary between DO and MD so the "if not more" really added nothing to the statement. It may be nit-picky, but lets be real in threads such as these. you statement implied "all else equal" and maybe I was not clear enough in my first post because things like experience and tenure are the sort of intangibles that were not really covered in your first post. Simply because you make more than AN MD does not support your statement because there will be an MD out there who also makes more than you. And then a DO that makes more than him. SO on and so forth. So what you meant to say (if you were talking in terms of applicable comparison) is that you make as much and that is all. just sayin

Urgent Care is a very popular field for MD/DO/IMG who have completed residency in FM. With the increased pay (often twice that of traditional o/p practice), decent hours and no call, it's certainly a viable option for any physician.

Originally Posted by cabinbuilder

Dang, why are all these folks coming out of the woodwork this week? Yikes.

LET ME MAKE MYSELF VERY CLEAR
I went to DO school
I went to DO residency.
I am not ashamed of my degree.
I am board certified in family medicine and OMM
I have never been discriminated for my degree.
I have never been asked what my grades were or my scores were by patients
I make the same if not more than my MD counterparts
I looked at rural fellowships, decided I didn't need to do one.

I work URGENT CARE/HOSPITALIST/GENERAL CLINIC/ and ER


YOU GUYS GOT IT???? QUIT IT!!!!

Winning!!!!!!!

Seriously...

Originally Posted by DrMaximus

Seriously...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA sorry. I seriously wish there was a "like" button for SDN.

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

those are intangibles.

I make more because I work more is not really what was implied. As was discussed at length in another thread there is no discernible difference in salary between DO and MD so the "if not more" really added nothing to the statement. It may be nit-picky, but lets be real in threads such as these. you statement implied "all else equal" and maybe I was not clear enough in my first post because things like experience and tenure are the sort of intangibles that were not really covered in your first post. Simply because you make more than AN MD does not support your statement because there will be an MD out there who also makes more than you. And then a DO that makes more than him. SO on and so forth. So what you meant to say (if you were talking in terms of applicable comparison) is that you make as much and that is all. just sayin

Ok, I really am not trying to pick a fight. My point for THIS job (which is urgent care) that I am on was that I was able to negotiate a higher rate of pay than my MD counterpart. I was just trying to ease the fears all over this board that as a DO I have no problem making equal or more (or similar pay) than the other side of the fence. Overall yes, the pay scales are generally equal but I think as someone who has been in the work force a while I can make honest statements about pay because I live it everyday. I thought this was a thread about urgent care? Getting off track, folks.

Originally Posted by cabinbuilder

Ok, I really am not trying to pick a fight. My point for THIS job (which is urgent care) that I am on was that I was able to negotiate a higher rate of pay than my MD counterpart. I was just trying to ease the fears all over this board that as a DO I have no problem making equal or more (or similar pay) than the other side of the fence. Overall yes, the pay scales are generally equal but I think as someone who has been in the work force a while I can make honest statements about pay because I live it everyday. I thought this was a thread about urgent care? Getting off track, folks.

OK, Spectre. Are we cool now????

I dont think we were ever not cool. I just think precision of statement is important.

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

those are intangibles.

I make more because I work more is not really what was implied. As was discussed at length in another thread there is no discernible difference in salary between DO and MD so the "if not more" really added nothing to the statement. It may be nit-picky, but lets be real in threads such as these. you statement implied "all else equal" and maybe I was not clear enough in my first post because things like experience and tenure are the sort of intangibles that were not really covered in your first post. Simply because you make more than AN MD does not support your statement because there will be an MD out there who also makes more than you. And then a DO that makes more than him. SO on and so forth. So what you meant to say (if you were talking in terms of applicable comparison) is that you make as much and that is all. just sayin.

that is seriously the weirdest part you could have emboldened to go with that meme.....

Originally Posted by Total180

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA sorry. I seriously wish there was a "like" button for SDN.

Why thank you!! lol. I love that meme and thought it was quite appropriate for this discussion.

Originally Posted by ensuii

I actually watched this just now, then saw your post after. Funny.



P.S. - NdT is a god. And his tie is awesome.

Originally Posted by Iliketoytles

P.S. - NdT is a god. And his tie is awesome.

NDT fans are nerds.

How dare you, CabinBuilder? HOW DARE YOU!!!?!?! NEVAAR SUGGESTZ A D.O CAN MAKE MORE THAN ALMIGHTY M.D.!!!! BOW TO SPECTEEEERRR!!! It's obvious that your message wasn't something logical like "The top ceiling pay of an MD doesn't mean every DO must earn equal or less. If a DO has a special skill/ability/negotiating power, he/she can earn more."

These threads are getting out of hand. They really are. I think there should be a minimum post count to be able to post in pre-osteo forums.

Originally Posted by FrkyBgStok

NDT fans are nerds.

If that's the case, then we're BOTH going to be shoved in lockers.

Originally Posted by zma21

These threads are getting out of hand. They really are. I think there should be a minimum post count to be able to post in pre-osteo forums.

Perhaps the mods should just summarily delete posts that are obviously lazy and/or willfully ignorant. The trolls are wasting people's time responding to repetitive bullcrap. Treat them like spam.

Originally Posted by Iliketoytles

If that's the case, then we're BOTH going to be shoved in lockers.

HAHAHA. so true. honestly, if i could choose one person, alive or dead from the past or the present to have dinner with, right now I would say without hesitation Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Originally Posted by FrkyBgStok

HAHAHA. so true. honestly, if i could choose one person, alive or dead from the past or the present to have dinner with, right now I would say without hesitation Neil Degrasse Tyson.

A few years ago, it probably would've been a toss up between George Carlin and Neil Tyson for me. But now I would easily agree with you, without question.

Originally Posted by brtred

Hello,

Is it true that if I decide to go to an osteopathic school, when I graduate I will have a harder time finding a job at an urgent care clinic? Do these clinics prefer an MD degree?

Any thoughts on this field?

I'm not sure if you're serious or if this is a joke. But next time you wonder if you'll have a harder time finding a job in any field, the answer is NO. If you're trained in the field, you will get the job just as easily as the MD.

Originally Posted by TriagePreMed

How dare you, CabinBuilder? HOW DARE YOU!!!?!?! NEVAAR SUGGESTZ A D.O CAN MAKE MORE THAN ALMIGHTY M.D.!!!! BOW TO SPECTEEEERRR!!! It's obvious that your message wasn't something logical like "The top ceiling pay of an MD doesn't mean every DO must earn equal or less. If a DO has a special skill/ability/negotiating power, he/she can earn more."

I guess it is my fault for spending too much time in pre-osteo where the arguments for DO/MD equality typically take the form of hazy DO superiority

Well, I guess it's time. I for one am sick and tired of this implied DO inferiority that has all the pre-medical students up in arms.

Yes, How dare I say I am equal to an MD
How dare I say that I make the same or more
How dare I rise above the hate and deceit
How dare I quash all the fears that are running rampant.

No one is putting down the folks in the other forums stating that you need to go MD if you want a good job, get a good residency, the pay is better, get a fellowship, be a specialist, work where you want to.

Everyone needs to quit believing all the crap, apply to the medical school you want that works best for your personality and your dreams. Be happy that you are one of the chosen few to matriculate into medical school whether DO or MD.

AND BE THE BEST DOCTOR YOU WERE MEANT TO BE.

Originally Posted by FrkyBgStok

HAHAHA. so true. honestly, if i could choose one person, alive or dead from the past or the present to have dinner with, right now I would say without hesitation Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Really??? You don't want to have dinner with me instead? I am a great cook.

Originally Posted by cabinbuilder

Well, I guess it's time we are all sick and tired of this implied DO inferiority that has all the pre-medical students up in arms.

Yes, How dare I say I am equal to an MD
How dare I say that I make the same or more
How dare I rise above the hate and deceit
How dare I quash all the fears that are running rampant.

No one is putting down the folks in the other forums stating that you need to go MD if you want a good job, get a good residency, the pay is better, get a fellowship, be a specialist, work where you want to.

Everyone needs to quit believing all the crap, applY to the medical school you want thAT works best for your personality and your dreams. Be happy that you are one of the chosen few to matriculate into medical school whether DO or MD.

AND BE THE BEST DOCTOR YOU WERE MEANT TO BE.

You did this wrong.....
http://cdn.twentytwowords.com/wp-con...0995861634.jpg

nobody is concerned with claims of DO equality nor was that ever addressed or put down in any way in this thread. So.... how dare I tie my shoes in the morning! well... I dare because nobody gives a damn. very similar to your claims about making the same salary. If the "and more" comment was, as you suggested, pertaining to a particular colleague with whom you have more experience than, then.... kudos. Not sure why you bother to mention it, but I'm excited for you anways

see... this is the self-fellating "rah rah" that I initially suspected in my first post to you.... You go ahead and "dare" all of those things with all your might... but it has all of the "edge' of an old butter knife, and to think it is any more controversial than that is just delusional.

I think the major backlash here is that pre-osteo tends to come up with a series of rationales for why DOs are better than MDs rather than equal. Such over-correction is not unusual when one party sees themselves or is seen by others as inferior. We see the same thing with race issues today and in recent history. I just feel that an over-correction in response to someone elses ignorance is just as ignorant. It is the social equivalent of treating an infection misdiagnosed by a colleague with 10x the normal dosage of antibiotics. You correct the mistake with what is appropriate rather than veering so hard to the opposite side of the mistake you risk causing harm yourself - and for this over-extended metaphor, i do believe that misrepresenting an issue is harmful. This is why I told druggeek to cool it so often on the few times we actually agreed... because his arguments still weakened the points.

It is no doubt some questions from pre-meds are a sort of dumb. And that reflects their unawareness and immaturity. But they need to grow up and learn the right methods and attitudes. So senior members need to educate them and sometimes it is necessary to yell at them for not thinking clearly.

So for pre-meds, to show you have the reasonable education and have the potentials to become responsible scientific professionals, please do some researches before you ask questions !!

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

nobody is concerned with claims of DO equality nor was that ever addressed or put down in any way in this thread.

Originally Posted by brtred

Is it true that if I decide to go to an osteopathic school, when I graduate I will have a harder time finding a job at an urgent care clinic? Do these clinics prefer an MD degree?

Originally Posted by SkyRider

It is no doubt some questions from pre-meds are a sort of dumb. And that reflects their unawareness and immaturity. But they need to grow up and learn the right methods and attitudes. So senior members need to educate them and sometimes it is necessary to yell at them for not thinking clearly.

So for pre-meds, to show you have the reasonable education and have the potentials to become responsible scientific professionals, please do some researches before you ask [dumb] questions !!

Or else face a through-the-monitor and a

Some people fly in on anything MD vs DO related like a fly to $#!+

Oops, I just stepped in it! Damn!

Originally Posted by lacrosse87

ok... well my intent was concerning the interaction between me and cabinbuilder but I suppose i already did express concern over careful language, huh?

to be fair, however, (and at risk of "having a bad time") it was recently discussed at length that DOs will have a more difficult time matching ACGME residencies. The OPs question is a reasonable (if not uninformed) extension of that topic. But difficulty in acquisition doesnt really reflect "better" or "worse" in terms of the person, and that was what my statement said

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

You did this wrong.....
http://cdn.twentytwowords.com/wp-con...0995861634.jpg


see... this is the self-fellating "rah rah" that I initially suspected in my first post to you.... You go ahead and "dare" all of those things with all your might... but it has all of the "edge' of an old butter knife, and to think it is any more controversial than that is just delusional.

.

Come now specter, I was just having a little fun with a prior person's post saying "how dare I" etc who was bantering me in fun. Don't be so touchy. It's all tongue in cheek. Don't be so quick to judge.

Originally Posted by Dharma

Some people fly in on anything MD vs DO related like a fly to $#!+

Oops, I just stepped in it! Damn!

some people cant say anything in a DO forum without everyone turning it DO vs MD

I dont want to have another one of those discussions... and the OPs question has been answered.

Originally Posted by cabinbuilder

Come now specter, I was just having a little fun with a prior person's post saying "how dare I" etc who was bantering me in fun. Don't be so touchy. It's all tongue in cheek. Don't be so quick to judge.

eh fair enough then.
I missed the other persons post
and a willingness to get involved in a little online verbal tangle shouldnt be confused with sensitivity without a little conflict here and there nobody would learn anything about this subject. Pre-MDs would all assume that every DO is an MD reject and the Pre-DOs would all pick up masseuse courses as pre-reqs... or whatever it is you crazy kids are in to nowadays. perspective is lacking until you challenge someones views on something

Originally Posted by cabinbuilder

Well, I guess it's time. I for one am sick and tired of this implied DO inferiority that has all the pre-medical students up in arms.

Yes, How dare I say I am equal to an MD
How dare I say that I make the same or more
How dare I rise above the hate and deceit
How dare I quash all the fears that are running rampant.

No one is putting down the folks in the other forums stating that you need to go MD if you want a good job, get a good residency, the pay is better, get a fellowship, be a specialist, work where you want to.

Everyone needs to quit believing all the crap, apply to the medical school you want that works best for your personality and your dreams. Be happy that you are one of the chosen few to matriculate into medical school whether DO or MD.

AND BE THE BEST DOCTOR YOU WERE MEANT TO BE.

Well said, cabinbuilder. Of course, you don't need me a lowly pre-med agreeing with you. Professionally, I definitely agree with you (ok had to let my professional side in too). In regards to dinner, hmmmmmmm cooking competition?

In this age of healthcare, whether one is a DO or MD, you will be absolutely needed. Never for a moment stoop to the silliness of believing that a DO is inferior, as the bias between DO and MD is quickly dwindling into non-existence for most clinicians across the spectrum of specialties (yes this includes Anesthesiology, EM, and even Ortho/Rad, etc). If you are truly, seriously concerned about not getting into X-specialty as a pre-med (even if you have 1,000s of hours of experience in being a team leader in healthcare) then this might not be the field for you. As pre-meds, myself included, we have thousands of hours of education and clerkships that will stand between whether you match into Anesthesiology, Surgery, IM, EM, Urology or Family Practice (just to name a few). What matters is first GETTING IN to medical school. Then your grades, your professionalism, and your rotations start to play in for where you match for residency AFTER graduating from medical school.

Bottom line is this.... A patient will only be concerned if you are the best doctor for them in that moment of time (especially in Critical Care situations) and that you are professional and friendly at the same time. So in that moment of time, you must rise to the occasion and be the absolute best physician in that moment in time. This is a somewhat direct quote from an ER Physician that I worked with years ago, and is very true.

Originally Posted by cabinbuilder

Really??? You don't want to have dinner with me instead? I am a great cook.

Are you asking me on a date. Bow chicka bow wow. if you know how stars are formed and can explain it like NDT, we have a deal.

Originally Posted by FrkyBgStok

Are you asking me on a date. Bow chicka bow wow. if you know how stars are formed and can explain it like NDT, we have a deal.

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Originally Posted by FrkyBgStok

Are you asking me on a date. Bow chicka bow wow. if you know how stars are formed and can explain it like NDT, we have a deal.

That makes 2 threads... 1 more and NdT gets the trifecta.

Originally Posted by FrkyBgStok

Are you asking me on a date. Bow chicka bow wow. if you know how stars are formed and can explain it like NDT, we have a deal.

Well, I figure since I am famous and all that you would at least consider my company worthy.

Damn, what an idiotic question! What's the difference between a DDS and a DMD ?? Not a damn thing! DO and MD are 95% of the time the exact same thing, but about 1 in 20 DO's are actually good in OMT and know how to treat muscular/spinal dysfunctions without throwing so many injections and meds on it. But since there's not much money in OMT and it takes a lot of extra devotion to learn, DO's that possess any skills more than your avg MD are few and far between.

Quote:
Originally Posted by UnderMyDesk
"You know what I mean. Do DO's usually actually become doctors?"

This one is still my favorite... Lol lol