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I am actually considering dropping out and going to medical school or going into psychology. The problem with that is that I am 32 and would be starting over and at this point no path seems very clear. I want to make sure first that there really isn't anything in pharmacy for me. My thinking is perhaps independent pharmacy (I don't want to own one, just work there) as there might be a lot more emphasis on patient care there. Ambulatory care also seems OK. Someplace where there is compounding and/or variety. I think I have the skills to network and meet pharmacists in different settings and work myself into the right situation, but does the right situation exist? I am not really looking for any advice as to what I should do because that choice will be mine, but I am looking for any similar stories or if any people have found some place for themselves in pharmacy after they realized that it wasn't really their cup of tea. |
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ISTJ here suggesting you might look into am care pharmacy. A4MD could definitely help you in that area.
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No offense, but it sounds like you have the typical 'cold feet' syndrome. I think most of us get it from time to time. It is hard not to imagine that you might have made a terrible mistake by doing pharmacy and not doing X. I suspect you will find something just right for you.
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OP: have you read this book?
http://www.amazon.com/Please-Underst.../dp/0960695400 It gives an in-depth analysis of the different personality types (I am INFP myself) and recommends some career fields that would be a good match for your type. Your library may have a copy. I think all of us get the "cold feet syndrome" at some point in our careers, as owlegrad pointed out. Whether it's serious enough to make us switch professions is a different story. For me, it was. And BTW, you're still very young at 32, and unless you've tons of obligations (family, kids, debt, etc) I'd encourage you to take a good look at yourself and what you want to do for the rest of your life. Being stuck for 35 years in a job you don't like is pure torture, IMO. That's why I am happily starting over - and I am much older than you. |
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I don't have a story to help you, but what I can tell you is that there are jobs in pharmacy that are more about patient care than verifying orders or pills in a bottle. You will find these positions in ambulatory care, specialty pharmacy, and some in-patient team-based positions. However, as the pharmacist in these settings, you must also have the drug knowledge to be successful. If you hate learning about drugs, this will be a problem - because learning about drugs does not go away once you graduate.
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The things that are keeping me from switching are the fact that ENFPs constantly get bored with things. They tend to be job hoppers. I don't want to hop knowing this about myself only to find that I will be getting antsy once more. And perhaps I can find something within pharmacy that will work well. Also, having this personality can give me some advantages, like I would be way better with patients than most other pharmacists. I think patients would love me. Now that I'm in pharmacy perhaps I can make it work by maneuvering through the system. Having said that, pharmacy is probably one of the worse career choices for ENFPs. jblil, my mom is an INFP. What are you switching to and what are you switching from? |
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You'll have to worry about budgets, politics and do fact checking and repetitive tasks in any medical field. Medical school won't change that. you're going to hate certain components and tasks of any job. My likes and dislikes with regards to pharmacy evolved greatly from the beginning to the end of school. Look at your faculty members, the ones doing, not just teaching and see if any of them work in settings you can picture yourself in. find a mentor.
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If you were a new poster asking for advice on what healthcare field to enter, I would direct you towards nursing.
But you're halfway through pharmacy school and the nursing salary may not be enough to pay off your debts. |
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I agree that nursing might be the best option out of all the healthcare fields, but I'm not sure that I would drop out of pharmacy for nursing.
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My first job out of college was in mechanical engineering (working on the electromechanical gizmos inside ATMs), and it lasted 9 years; my second job was traveling all over Africa as a troubleshooter for the UN, and I did it for 4 years; my third job was in software development and marketing, and I did it for 8 years. So now when people ask if Physical Therapy is my second career, I tell them no, it's really my fourth... |
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I applied to four DPT programs and got acceptance from all four. The reason I switched careers to PT is because several members in my family got strokes and I was involved with their rehab. While doing so, I saw numerous opportunities where I can leverage my engineering and software background in inventing new devices to be used in PT. All of my interviews for DPT school went extremely well, because I showed the faculty members who interviewed me my ideas for integrating PT and software (esp for stroke rehab). And heck, an interesting life story never hurts. |
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I would advise against nursing if this is the reason you want to get out from pharmacy. Even if you continue to APRN or DNP, job prospect is worse than pharmacy. You are still competing for jobs with PA and influx of NP graduates and probably will be earning less than pharmacist. I, too, was doing soul searching at one point. It's good to investigate to see how each career matches certain personality type but do not limit yourself to it or obsess about it. "Generally speaking", there are jobs for each personality type in most profession.As someone stated earlier, try ambulatory care or public health pharmacy. If you won't have much school debt, you can go for MPH after you finish pharmacy. |
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I'm no longer obsessing over how my personality type fits in with pharmacy or relying on that for my decision. On the contrary, I'm fighting it and trying to figure out what I have to offer that might be unique to pharmacy and how could I take advantage of that. To be perfectly honest, the most fun that I've had in pharmacy school so far has been with creating and acting out a presentation in front of kindergarteners to teach them about poisons. That doesn't bode well.
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I can sympathize with you so much! We have very similar personalities, and I dropped out of pharmacy school in europe. I have ADHD and some times sleep disorders, which made it very hard for me to study hard after lab classes, which were really competitive and stressful. Most of my teachers and Professors were really, sorry to say it like this, evil persons. They treated me very bad and when I was sick at a time when exams where they have not been accepting my medical certification that could give a another chance. So when I had my last chance I really studied hard but still failed, since I just had problems with managing my time and memorize all this phone books of science. I burned out and left school, now I work part time and study to finish my unfinished business administration degree that I started when I was younger and undecided. BTW, when one day I get my greencard, I will happily rejoin with my whole family in the USA, until that day I am in "exile" ![]() ![]() Every time I see people I met in pharmacy school, I happen to see a pharmacy or anything related, I get so many regrets and get unhappy that I failed and think of ways to do it again. I admit: A major contribution to start pharmacy where the job prospects and earnings that I had read in the BLS stats in 2008. My major drive and motivation to work at all are people!!! Not any job with people, but to help people! This is just energizing me, and my talents are my emotional intelligence and empathy. Deep in my heart I know that doing a job where I can use this talents is my profession. So then again I asked myself, is pharmacy and drugs science really my love? I just said no to medicine because I just have problems to go to anatomy and surgery classes. But then I thought about the social sciences that relate to my talents. Psychology and Social Work. I could not study Psychology here in my country, because unfortunately it is the most competitive major of all, beats even medical school. And social work is very very new here. So after re-evaluating my personality and my talents, and what it is I love to do without beeing forced or just pushed to earn big money, it has to do with counseling, social work or psychotherapy. Sure, I will earn one third or half of the pharmacists salary, but right now, where I am struggling for a living I can even see in my present part time retail job in a computer department store, where I talk to customers all the time and create interesting bondings, how much important job satisfaction is and how much value it is for me to do a job with people where I have longer interaction then refilling drugs and maybe give short consultation with a counter in between. Even in hospital pharmacy I am sure I would envy the m.d.'s and nurses for their interaction time with patients. I thank you for reading my story and I hope, that some of you can relate to this and I will be glad to connect with others that have similar experience! |
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I was thinking that nursing, or maybe physical or occupational therapy, might be a better fit for the OP. As for loans, s/he'll (I'm leaning more towards the OP being a man) be better off cutting his or her losses now should s/he change majors.
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Regardless of the job prospect, RN, DPT, DNP will generally earn a lot less than pharmacist. I would look at the loan OP have now.
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As of right now, yes, you are correct, but the way things are going, that could certainly change, and no amount of money can make up for job dissatisfaction. The OP needs to find out the proper career path for themselves.
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I guess I could give myself the same advice. |
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Having said that, any pharmacists out there made it through this type of a phase to not regret it later? |
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If I was 32, I would cut my losses quick and get into medical school.
After working with Kaiser Permanente for 2 years, I realized there really is an extremely limited future for amb care pharmacy. PA's have a 3 year study arduous course for the prospect of earning 1/4 of physician salary with little chance of making your own decisions. NP's are a strong field with the backing of major unions if you have a all the background to be a nurse and are worried about expense and time. But again, 32 gives you plenty of time to get be an MD by the time you're 40. A pharmacy degree and residency are at least as difficult as MD internships from my DO/PharmD school perspective. MD residencies are guarantee. PharmD residencies are very difficult to attain. MD's have endless employment potential in all fields. Primary Care starting salaries for MD's seem to be over 200,000. I saw 300,000 for psychiatrists several times. Pharmacist make around 100K average and are facing high unemployment that will only get worse. |
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So I just skimmed most of this thread so I'm not sure this has been mentioned, but have you considered co-op pharmacy? Like Coastal? You see patients and recommend changes in drug therapy. They get to make appointments with you. The doctor is right down the hall and just has to initial your changes. It's a great environment for those who want to do more beyond dispensing. It's also a growing field.
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You should look into occupational therapy. Supposedly, your personality type matches it to the TEE. The field is extremely varied, and you'll be helping people directly as opposed to sitting in a pharmacy all day staring at a computer screen and talking to insurance companies over the phone. Schools are relatively cheap if you find a state school with a program. Average cost for 2 year masters program is around $20,000 total. Salaries are OK. If that's your biggest priority, you should reconsider.
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By the way, I knew a woman who was an engineer for a long time. She graduated with a B.S. in math, masters in computer science, and worked for about 15 years in the industry. She was NEVER happy doing what she was doing, and ultimately, after many sessions with therapists and counselors, realized she had to get out of the field and do something new. She went back to school at the age of 40 to do a Ph.D. in psychology at a really good school. She finally finished after 8 years of school and is quite happy doing what she's doing after all these years. She's working in research and is on adjunct faculty.
I have a litmus test for finding a career: if you are recoiling at the thought of this career you're planning on getting in to, you should reconsider. There is a significant oppty. cost in choosing a field you don't really care for. |
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http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes1.htm After taking it you can just read more about your personality or google for careers. As other people might have said, don't get too caught up in what it says. It doesn't define you as a person and can change a little over time. And everyone is a little different with different interests. But going against your type in careers is not a good idea for sure. I'm scrambling right now. Someone also mentioned this book as being great: http://www.amazon.com/Do-What-You-Ar...9490148&sr=8-1 I think I've reached my limit of reading about personality types and am sticking to just what feels right and investigating further at this point. Psychiatry/psychology/counseling seems to be it. |
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.I can say with all my heart, you need to take a year off, or get out now. I have spoken to pharmacists who feel it is no longer their cup of tea, and are stuck. Simply put, there is not enough wiggle room in this profession to make it your life's work if you are not really in to it. |
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Personally, I would recommend the MMPI test. I've taken it before when I was working as a systems engineer. We had a team building consultant come by for an all day event training thing. It was cool. I think it's more comprehensive and enlightening than the Myers Briggs. Also, it's completely supported by psychologists (even my abnormal psychology professor recommended it) as a useful tool in counseling. |
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To be honest, I did a bunch of OT shadowing and realized it's probably not for me. However, it made me realize that shadowing is probably the most important thing someone should do to determine if a career is for them. I'm not sure why most fields don't require it. I think it should be absolutely mandatory. I've been shadowing some pharmacists, and I'm beginning to realize retail pharmacy is a terrible place to be. I don't know why I still peruse these forums. :-) And, also, I am not you. We have completely opposite personality types. So, who knows, it could be the best thing for you. |
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Well, thanks everyone. I haven't found any miraculous stories of people turning things around and I've pretty much decided I'm quitting. I've had a few unusual pharmacy shadowing experiences lately and they're leaving me feeling a bit empty still. I would just be lying to myself if I stayed in this. What's done is done. I'm researching and getting involved more in psychology experiences and I will be taking the MCAT with psychiatry in mind. I'm just going to make sure that whatever I get into I feel excited about what is out there after getting a degree. I may even take a year off to really get a feel for things before I jump into several more years of school.
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You didn't mention if you have a previous degree/finished med school requirements, but her thought process was "well, if I just finished the PharmD and in that way complete all the pre-reqs, even if I don't get in I'll have a well-paid job!" On the other hand, if she dropped halfway, finished her pre-reqs and did NOT get in, she would be SOL. |
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Yeah. I admire her for making the change instead of persisting in a path that would most likely lead to mental dysfunction and depression. I know so much people who hate their jobs--especially in health care. They just keep persisting in it because of a steady paycheck. These guys are not going to retire but burn out. Been there, done that.
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I have a BS in Chemistry with a minor in math. Go figure. I've always taken the path of most resistance when it came to education and this is where it has gotten me. On the other hand, this and the additional 20 credits that i needed to take for pharmacy school gives me a solid background for med school and has taught me to think in ways that I wouldn't have been able to naturally.
I don't want to hate my job. I want to be excited about my prospects when I graduate and I just can't see that in pharmacy for myself. |
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