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is there a list of these schools? or easy way to find out of a school goes by p/f? I only care for those that are top 80ish in the nation, not the not-so-prestigious med schools

thanks

Pass/fail is a misnomer. You will end up getting ranked and having 'real' grades, you just won't be told them. You will just be told if you passed or failed. I would not allow whether a curriculum is p/f to factor into picking a school. It isn't bad or good, its just different.

Originally Posted by mimelim

Pass/fail is a misnomer. You will end up getting ranked and having 'real' grades, you just won't be told them. You will just be told if you passed or failed. I would not allow whether a curriculum is p/f to factor into picking a school. It isn't bad or good, its just different.

Uh... no. Not all schools rank, and not all schools pass on grades to the administration for your dean's letter.

(sent from my phone - please forgive typos)

Originally Posted by mimelim

Pass/fail is a misnomer. You will end up getting ranked and having 'real' grades, you just won't be told them. You will just be told if you passed or failed. I would not allow whether a curriculum is p/f to factor into picking a school. It isn't bad or good, its just different.

There are two types of pass fail schools, in terms of pre-clinical grades. Some do rank and just tell you if you passed or failed. These schools are deceptive and should not be treated the same as true pass fail schools, where no record of your pre-clinical grades or ranking is kept.

Originally Posted by NickNaylor

Uh... no. Not all schools rank, and not all schools pass on grades to the administration for your dean's letter.

(sent from my phone - please forgive typos)

I know of at least two schools that tell students and applicants that they are pass/fail. But they keep track of class ranks and provide them for residency applications. I certainly can not speak about all medical schools out there. I was told that many residencies require schools to provide a student's rank (something as stupid as a bubble that must be filled in) and that is why schools can't completely do away with them. Also, I thought AOA was determined largely by pre-clinical rank?

I don't know how every school in the country works, but I think it would be very easy to get misled by a school claiming P/F as being one of their advantages.

Here's the spreadsheet that GTLO started. It isn't complete but it does help
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...4b292ZHc#gid=0

Originally Posted by mmmcdowe

There are two types of pass fail schools, in terms of pre-clinical grades. Some do rank and just tell you if you passed or failed. These schools are deceptive and should not be treated the same as true pass fail schools, where no record of your pre-clinical grades or ranking is kept.

Originally Posted by mimelim

I know of at least two schools that tell students and applicants that they are pass/fail. But they keep track of class ranks and provide them for residency applications. I certainly can not speak about all medical schools out there. I was told that many residencies require schools to provide a student's rank (something as stupid as a bubble that must be filled in) and that is why schools can't completely do away with them. Also, I thought AOA was determined largely by pre-clinical rank?

>>Some schools that are true preclinical P/F unranked use the rotations grades only for rank and AOA.

I don't know how every school in the country works, but I think it would be very easy to get misled by a school claiming P/F as being one of their advantages.

P/F unranked is not the same as P/F ranked...but it's sometimes like pulling teeth to get that information. I assume pass/fail means P/F ranked unless explicitly told otherwise from a reliable source.

Originally Posted by sector9

Here's the spreadsheet that GTLO started. It isn't complete but it does help
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...4b292ZHc#gid=0

Examples of P/F unranked schools are Einstein, Columbia, Duke, UCSD, and Yale. Johns Hopkins ranks internally but does not report ranking to residency programs.

Residencies cannot require rankings and to echo what's been said, some schools do not provide this info on your dean's letter. Some schools, however, use graphs to approximate your place in comparison to the class for clerkships which is much better than rankings.

I was always under the impression that your Step 1 score, your clinical grades, and your letters of recommendation from clerkships were the most important part of your application, as well as research for competitive residencies. Have I been misinformed?

Originally Posted by gettheleadout

Examples of P/F unranked schools are Einstein, Columbia, Duke, UCSD, and Yale. Johns Hopkins ranks internally but does not report ranking to residency programs.

I'm pretty sure Yale has P/F for pre-clinical only.

Originally Posted by Praefectus

I'm pretty sure Yale has P/F for pre-clinical only.

Yeah I thought that's what we were talking about? Very few schools are true (as in no honors) P/F for all four years. The only ones I know of are Stanford, UCLA, UAB, and USC (Keck).

Originally Posted by icecoldstar

is there a list of these schools? or easy way to find out of a school goes by p/f? I only care for those that are top 80ish in the nation, not the not-so-prestigious med schools

thanks

Originally Posted by sector9

Here's the spreadsheet that GTLO started. It isn't complete but it does help
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...4b292ZHc#gid=0

How do we suggest revisions to the spreadsheet? Hopkins does have AOA but it is only conferred after the match so for the purposes of residency applications it is not a factor.

Originally Posted by jjesque

How do we suggest revisions to the spreadsheet? Hopkins does have AOA but it is only conferred after the match so for the purposes of residency applications it is not a factor.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=919401