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Originally Posted by peRsEVERENCE

Hey i was just wondering, what are the cities that you will be working at if you decide overseas?

Japan, Korea, Germany?

I was wondering if they were in a major city of those countries, or in some country boondock area?

I would google "Army bases" and mapquest to get your answer.

Hi there everyone,
I want to do an externship this summer, so I was wondering how I would go about doing that. Do I have to apply? Do I have to know where I want to go? Are most externships 2 weeks long?
Any insight you have would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you!

FYI, I am interested in the 2 year AEGD if that makes a difference.

Originally Posted by OSU_DentGirl

Hi there everyone,
I want to do an externship this summer, so I was wondering how I would go about doing that. Do I have to apply? Do I have to know where I want to go? Are most externships 2 weeks long?
Any insight you have would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you!

FYI, I am interested in the 2 year AEGD if that makes a difference.

Contact the recruiter at your school and they should be able to let you know who to contact. It's good that you are making plans now - the early bird gets the worm.

If you are looking at the 2 year AEGD it would be a good idea to go to one of the places that has the program so you can check it out - Hawaii, Texas (Ft Hood), or N. Carolina.

Also when I was in - you had to go for between 3-6 wks - I am not sure if they have shortened it down to 2 weeks - make sure to ask.

Originally Posted by OSU_DentGirl

Hi there everyone,
I want to do an externship this summer, so I was wondering how I would go about doing that. Do I have to apply? Do I have to know where I want to go? Are most externships 2 weeks long?
Any insight you have would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you!

FYI, I am interested in the 2 year AEGD if that makes a difference.

start looking into this early. i don't know who you would have to contact now, but i would contact your "case maganger" listed in MODS. (do HPSP students still use MODS?)

my clinic was closed for a couple months, between my third and fourth year, for renovations, so i spent 45 days at schofield barracks, Hawaii. got paid to work, had the trip paid for by the Army, as my ADT that year, and had a nice vacation.

to do something like that, you have to start asking about a year early, and have to get the time away from school. i was given clinical credit at school for the time working in the clinic.

Does specializing in the Army increase your active pay significantly (i.e. endo)? Also, does anyone know if there are commitment bonus/pays like staying an extra 3-4 year after your repayment years are up?

Originally Posted by xhamburgersamx

Does specializing in the Army increase your active pay significantly (i.e. endo)? Also, does anyone know if there are commitment bonus/pays like staying an extra 3-4 year after your repayment years are up?

it does, once you become board certified. also, there is a re-enlistment bonus for different specialties, based upon how much longer you sign on for.

oral surgeons and the comprehensive dentists can get $50K a year for signing for four years. i'm not sure what the endo bonus is, off the top of my head. i think it is around $30K a year, if you sign for four years.

Originally Posted by umkcdds

it does, once you become board certified. also, there is a re-enlistment bonus for different specialties, based upon how much longer you sign on for.

Originally Posted by umkcdds

oral surgeons and the comprehensive dentists can get $50K a year for signing for four years. i'm not sure what the endo bonus is, off the top of my head. i think it is around $30K a year, if you sign for four years.

the link http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroller/fmr/07a/07a_06.pdf

has all info about DOD dental officer pay (including Incentive Special Pay (ISP), Variable Special Pay (VSP), Additional Special Pay (ASP), Board Certification Pay (BCP) and Dental Officer Multiyear Retention Bonus (DOMRB)).

Originally Posted by kalvydas

the link http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroller/fmr/07a/07a_06.pdf

has all info about DOD dental officer pay (including Incentive Special Pay (ISP), Variable Special Pay (VSP), Additional Special Pay (ASP), Board Certification Pay (BCP) and Dental Officer Multiyear Retention Bonus (DOMRB)).

For fiscal year 2009 there has been some changes the level classification and pay rates for MRB (Multi-Year Retention Bonus). All specialties are now level 1 and qualify for $50k/year for a 4 year contract. Below are two charts directly from BUMED.

FY-09 Dental Officer DOMRB Rates

FY-09 DOMRB Pay Rates
Length of Agreement Level 1 Level 2 Level 3 Level 4
4-year agreement $50,000 $40,000 $35,000 $25,000
3-year agreement $38,000 $30,000 $27,000 $19,000
2-year agreement $25,000 $20,000 $18,000 $13,000


Table 5.
FY-09 Dental Officer DOMRB Levels

FY-09 DOMRB Pay Levels

Oral-Maxillofacial Surgeons 1
Comprehensive/Operative Dentistry 1
Endodontics 1
Prosthodontics 1
Orthodontics 1
Oral Pathology/Oral Diagnosis/Oral Medicine 1
Pediatric Dentistry 1
Periodontics 1
Public Health Dentistry 1
Temporomandibular Dysfunction (TMD) 1
Dental Research 1
Exodontia (Advanced Clinical Practice - ACP) 3
Endodontics (ACP) 3
General Dentistry [Comprehensive Dentistry] (ACP) 3
Periodontics (ACP) 3
Prosthodontics (ACP) 3

Hey thanks guys for the numbers. I was thinking, the comprehensive dentist aged is 2 years while a specialized program like endo or pros is 3 years. Does the 2 year AEGD provide a lot of endo/pros/perio type procedures that really allow you to do almost everything?

Originally Posted by xhamburgersamx

Hey thanks guys for the numbers. I was thinking, the comprehensive dentist aged is 2 years while a specialized program like endo or pros is 3 years. Does the 2 year AEGD provide a lot of endo/pros/perio type procedures that really allow you to do almost everything?

All Army specialties are 50k like the chart before shows. The only other bonus is for people that do the 12 month AEGD and then complete the certification process for ACP - they can get 35k.

2 yr specialties are Comprehensive dentist, pedo, ortho, endo, public health
3 yr specialties are perio, prosth
4 yr specialties are OS
I forget how long oral path is - 3 or 4 yrs.

Originally Posted by krmower

All Army specialties are 50k like the chart before shows. The only other bonus is for people that do the 12 month AEGD and then complete the certification process for ACP - they can get 35k.

2 yr specialties are Comprehensive dentist, pedo, ortho, endo, public health
3 yr specialties are perio, prosth
4 yr specialties are OS
I forget how long oral path is - 3 or 4 yrs.

Can you elaborate more on what exactly this certification process consists of, or where to find information about it? I have been unable to find any information on this online.

Originally Posted by jmick101

Can you elaborate more on what exactly this certification process consists of, or where to find information about it? I have been unable to find any information on this online.

Also can you elaborate on the specifics of the 2 year comprehensive training - I'm probably most interested in that than a specific field! thanks

Originally Posted by xhamburgersamx

Also can you elaborate on the specifics of the 2 year comprehensive training - I'm probably most interested in that than a specific field! thanks

I have talked a lot about the program in some previous posts. In addition to what is already posted here's some more info.

Here's some links that provide comparisons of the 1 year and 2 year programs and give more details.

https://www.cs.amedd.army.mil/documents.aspx?docs=145

Here are specific details from a 1 year program curriculum

http://www.cs.amedd.army.mil/dhet/Fo...0DENTISTRY.htm

Info from a 2 year program

http://www.tamc.amedd.army.mil/offices/PRDC/agd.htm

Originally Posted by jmick101

Can you elaborate more on what exactly this certification process consists of, or where to find information about it? I have been unable to find any information on this online.

The process involves demonstrating an ability and competance in all facets of dentistry building on what you learn in the 12 month AEGD. The only Officers eligible are those that do a 12-month AEGD, and once all the requirements are done they can get an additional $35k/year for signing a 4 year contract. It is also important to note that you can continue to collect this amount while in a specialty residency, and then once you are eligible for the specialty bonus you can upgrade/take that one.

The requirements include documenting pulling so many teeth, a certain number of molar endos, certain number of crown and bridge, perio surgeries, etc... You work closely with someone who is a comprehensive dentist and they sign off on the requirements as you do them. I also looked and had a hard time finding the specific requirements although I have them at the clinic where I am currently working with an individual as he works to pass off the program.

Originally Posted by krmower

All Army specialties are 50k like the chart before shows. The only other bonus is for people that do the 12 month AEGD and then complete the certification process for ACP - they can get 35k.

i see they've changed. no one tells me stuff like this.

Originally Posted by krmower

The process involves demonstrating an ability and competance in all facets of dentistry building on what you learn in the 12 month AEGD. The only Officers eligible are those that do a 12-month AEGD, and once all the requirements are done they can get an additional $35k/year for signing a 4 year contract. It is also important to note that you can continue to collect this amount while in a specialty residency, and then once you are eligible for the specialty bonus you can upgrade/take that one.

The requirements include documenting pulling so many teeth, a certain number of molar endos, certain number of crown and bridge, perio surgeries, etc... You work closely with someone who is a comprehensive dentist and they sign off on the requirements as you do them. I also looked and had a hard time finding the specific requirements although I have them at the clinic where I am currently working with an individual as he works to pass off the program.

I'm slightly confused, please don't be annoyed with me. So, on my 4 year HPSP - I go ahead and do the 2 year AEGD right after d-school. I have 4 years obligation to service still from the HPSP. Do i get the 4 -year extension bonus on my original 4 year obligation or is it I owe an additional 4 years for a total of 8?

Originally Posted by xhamburgersamx

I'm slightly confused, please don't be annoyed with me. So, on my 4 year HPSP - I go ahead and do the 2 year AEGD right after d-school. I have 4 years obligation to service still from the HPSP. Do i get the 4 -year extension bonus on my original 4 year obligation or is it I owe an additional 4 years for a total of 8?

As I understand you will have 4 years obligation for HPSP, then plus 2 years for AEGD. And only after you do your obligation (6years), you can extend and get extension bonus.

Someone correct me if I am wrong

Originally Posted by kalvydas

As I understand you will have 4 years obligation for HPSP, then plus 2 years for AEGD. And only after you do your obligation (6years), you can extend and get extension bonus.

Someone correct me if I am wrong

Your time in a 2 year AEGD would not count toward your pack-back of HPSP and you would incur a 2 year obligation for the AEGD residency, but....when your finished with your AEGD and start paying your time back you will payback AEGD and HPSP obligations at the same time. So to complete the 2 year AEGD and pay back all active duty obligations it would take 6 years from when you started your AEGD, assuming that you got in right out of school.

Typically you would not be elgible for the retention bonus until you have fulfilled you current obligations, i.e. HPSP and residency payback as in the above example. There is a way to start getting your retention bonus right after your AEGD but you are basically taking money from future years served. So if you take such an "advance" you are basically comitting to more years of obligation and towards the end of your career you will not be elgible for the bonus for the years you took it early.

Originally Posted by krmower

The process involves demonstrating an ability and competance in all facets of dentistry building on what you learn in the 12 month AEGD. The only Officers eligible are those that do a 12-month AEGD, and once all the requirements are done they can get an additional $35k/year for signing a 4 year contract. It is also important to note that you can continue to collect this amount while in a specialty residency, and then once you are eligible for the specialty bonus you can upgrade/take that one.

The requirements include documenting pulling so many teeth, a certain number of molar endos, certain number of crown and bridge, perio surgeries, etc... You work closely with someone who is a comprehensive dentist and they sign off on the requirements as you do them. I also looked and had a hard time finding the specific requirements although I have them at the clinic where I am currently working with an individual as he works to pass off the program.

Excellent. The 1 yr AEGD just keeps looking better and better.

Originally Posted by krmower

The process involves demonstrating an ability and competance in all facets of dentistry building on what you learn in the 12 month AEGD. The only Officers eligible are those that do a 12-month AEGD, and once all the requirements are done they can get an additional $35k/year for signing a 4 year contract. It is also important to note that you can continue to collect this amount while in a specialty residency, and then once you are eligible for the specialty bonus you can upgrade/take that one.

The requirements include documenting pulling so many teeth, a certain number of molar endos, certain number of crown and bridge, perio surgeries, etc... You work closely with someone who is a comprehensive dentist and they sign off on the requirements as you do them. I also looked and had a hard time finding the specific requirements although I have them at the clinic where I am currently working with an individual as he works to pass off the program.

i believe one of the problems with this program (if you are wanting to specialize) is that you are not eligible to start collecting this bonus until your initial ADSO has been completed. you also cannot start collecting this once you have begun a residency.....so, if you want to do this, and be able to earn it while you are in a residency (such as OMS, perio..) you have to wait until your initial HPSP ADSO has been completed.

Originally Posted by umkcdds

i believe one of the problems with this program (if you are wanting to specialize) is that you are not eligible to start collecting this bonus until your initial ADSO has been completed. you also cannot start collecting this once you have begun a residency.....so, if you want to do this, and be able to earn it while you are in a residency (such as OMS, perio..) you have to wait until your initial HPSP ADSO has been completed.

Which is a bummer because I owe for undergrad (ROTC) and for dental school.

Originally Posted by jmick101

Which is a bummer because I owe for undergrad (ROTC) and for dental school.

so, for you to get the ACP retention bonus, you would have to spend 6 years as a general dentist (one for the AGD and four for HPSP and one for ROTC), THEN you could sign up for the ACP retention bonus and go to a specialty if you wanted (or keep practicing as a general dentist).

Hi,, i dont if this has been asked before.. upon graduating from dental school, how much does the person make a year.?? Is it on salary or something else??/

Originally Posted by umkcdds

so, for you to get the ACP retention bonus, you would have to spend 6 years as a general dentist (one for the AGD and four for HPSP and one for ROTC), THEN you could sign up for the ACP retention bonus and go to a specialty if you wanted (or keep practicing as a general dentist).

Make that 4 for ROTC and 3 for HPSP, and I guess one more for AEGD.

Originally Posted by theilleztpaki

Hi,, i dont if this has been asked before.. upon graduating from dental school, how much does the person make a year.?? Is it on salary or something else??/

I think around 70-75K per year depending on where you live. I am not sure though. You would have to google military pay scales for exact numbers.

Originally Posted by krmower

The process involves demonstrating an ability and competance in all facets of dentistry building on what you learn in the 12 month AEGD. The only Officers eligible are those that do a 12-month AEGD, and once all the requirements are done they can get an additional $35k/year for signing a 4 year contract. It is also important to note that you can continue to collect this amount while in a specialty residency, and then once you are eligible for the specialty bonus you can upgrade/take that one.

The requirements include documenting pulling so many teeth, a certain number of molar endos, certain number of crown and bridge, perio surgeries, etc... You work closely with someone who is a comprehensive dentist and they sign off on the requirements as you do them. I also looked and had a hard time finding the specific requirements although I have them at the clinic where I am currently working with an individual as he works to pass off the program.

I would like to add that the requirements are going to be very difficult to complete, unless you have a few years to do it. I was trying to fulfill them, and in almost two years didn't have them even half done. If your clinic Officer in Charge allows you to do specialty rotations, then you might have a shot at getting them done. My clinic doesn't allow any specialty rotations, so I am firmly entrenched in the amalgam line and haven't been able to find patients for most of the requirements. Off the top of my head the requirements are something like pulling 100 teeth (I think 20 surgically), 15 molar endo, 15 perio surgeries, 15 pros cases, and a ton of other requirements that are CE, presentations, or other paperwork things. I think that in three years I could have most of the requirements done, except the perio surgeries, which without a periodontist beside me I wouldn't want to even attempt.

Originally Posted by Hawk2thDoc

I would like to add that the requirements are going to be very difficult to complete, unless you have a few years to do it. I was trying to fulfill them, and in almost two years didn't have them even half done. If your clinic Officer in Charge allows you to do specialty rotations, then you might have a shot at getting them done. My clinic doesn't allow any specialty rotations, so I am firmly entrenched in the amalgam line and haven't been able to find patients for most of the requirements. Off the top of my head the requirements are something like pulling 100 teeth (I think 20 surgically), 15 molar endo, 15 perio surgeries, 15 pros cases, and a ton of other requirements that are CE, presentations, or other paperwork things. I think that in three years I could have most of the requirements done, except the perio surgeries, which without a periodontist beside me I wouldn't want to even attempt.

we had a guy here at ft campbell do the requirements in a year....but he was in the same building as the AGD program with all the specialists.

Originally Posted by eric275

Your time in a 2 year AEGD would not count toward your pack-back of HPSP and you would incur a 2 year obligation for the AEGD residency, but....when your finished with your AEGD and start paying your time back you will payback AEGD and HPSP obligations at the same time. So to complete the 2 year AEGD and pay back all active duty obligations it would take 6 years from when you started your AEGD, assuming that you got in right out of school.

Typically you would not be elgible for the retention bonus until you have fulfilled you current obligations, i.e. HPSP and residency payback as in the above example. There is a way to start getting your retention bonus right after your AEGD but you are basically taking money from future years served. So if you take such an "advance" you are basically comitting to more years of obligation and towards the end of your career you will not be elgible for the bonus for the years you took it early.

Taking the bonus right after the AEGD is only an option if you have been in 8 years - and then you are correct you elect to take the money up front rather than on the tail end.

Originally Posted by theilleztpaki

Hi,, i dont if this has been asked before.. upon graduating from dental school, how much does the person make a year.?? Is it on salary or something else??/

Look at www.dod.mil/dfas for the 2009 pay scale. This will give you your basic pay. Then you will add the VSP bonus that you also find on that document which is $250/month. You also get the ASP which is $10,000/yr. You also get food (BAS) = $223/month + housing (BAH) which varies by location. Around $70-75k is pretty accurate. Also remember though if you took HPSP ($50k/yr) or loan repayment ($40k/yr) if you add the amount that gave you each year to your salary it is the equivalent of you making around $120-130k/yr for the first 3-4 years in the military.

Originally Posted by Hawk2thDoc

I would like to add that the requirements are going to be very difficult to complete, unless you have a few years to do it. I was trying to fulfill them, and in almost two years didn't have them even half done. If your clinic Officer in Charge allows you to do specialty rotations, then you might have a shot at getting them done. My clinic doesn't allow any specialty rotations, so I am firmly entrenched in the amalgam line and haven't been able to find patients for most of the requirements. Off the top of my head the requirements are something like pulling 100 teeth (I think 20 surgically), 15 molar endo, 15 perio surgeries, 15 pros cases, and a ton of other requirements that are CE, presentations, or other paperwork things. I think that in three years I could have most of the requirements done, except the perio surgeries, which without a periodontist beside me I wouldn't want to even attempt.

I agree that the requirements are not the easiest - the purpose of the program is to reward a dental officer (pretty substantially -$35k/yr) for bringing some significant skills to the table. The Army has to find some way to justify paying someone an extra $35k/yr and this is the method that all the services use. The Air Force has this program in place also.

Originally Posted by krmower

Look at www.dod.mil/dfas for the 2009 pay scale. This will give you your basic pay. Then you will add the VSP bonus that you also find on that document which is $250/month. You also get the ASP which is $10,000/yr. You also get food (BAS) = $223/month + housing (BAH) which varies by location. Around $70-75k is pretty accurate. Also remember though if you took HPSP ($50k/yr) or loan repayment ($40k/yr) if you add the amount that gave you each year to your salary it is the equivalent of you making around $120-130k/yr for the first 3-4 years in the military.

The 70-75k is actually low pay for a dentist but you have to take into consideration the intangibles like commissary, PX, insurance, etc that really add up a lot to a lot more in essence. I like how you pointed out the hpsp tuition payment which if you add to your salary, is really over 130k for private schools. Take into account the stipend and 20k bonsus for signing 4 years. The only draw back to HPSP in my opinion, the possibility of deployment which is still a rather bad situation (for some). What is the possiblity of deployment if there are NO significant wars going on?

I am about to sign with the army (just waiting on the physical) and I am planning on doing a 4 year scholarship. At the moment, I am a D1 and my recruiter says that D2-D4 I will be under scholarship and when I am in active duty I can apply for a loan repayment for my D1 year. Does anyone have any experience in doing this?

Originally Posted by jjash

I am about to sign with the army (just waiting on the physical) and I am planning on doing a 4 year scholarship. At the moment, I am a D1 and my recruiter says that D2-D4 I will be under scholarship and when I am in active duty I can apply for a loan repayment for my D1 year. Does anyone have any experience in doing this?

Did the recruiter say they can get you a 3.5 yr scholarship? have them look into it if they aren't sure.

Originally Posted by xhamburgersamx

The 70-75k is actually low pay for a dentist but you have to take into consideration the intangibles like commissary, PX, insurance, etc that really add up a lot to a lot more in essence. I like how you pointed out the hpsp tuition payment which if you add to your salary, is really over 130k for private schools. Take into account the stipend and 20k bonsus for signing 4 years. The only draw back to HPSP in my opinion, the possibility of deployment which is still a rather bad situation (for some). What is the possiblity of deployment if there are NO significant wars going on?

If you go into post-grad training you will not deploy while in training. If you just come straight out and want to do the 4 yrs and get out I would say 20-35% if things remain the same. Of course I would hope things change in the future. Also the new 6 month deployments (for most Army dentists - there are a few exceptions) have made things not as bad. I have 2 buddies coming back this week that lucked out and were only gone for 3 months although they volunteered for 6 months.

Originally Posted by krmower

Did the recruiter say they can get you a 3.5 yr scholarship? have them look into it if they aren't sure.

They said it's already passed the deadline for the 3.5.

whats the loan repayment program all about? If i started a 3 year hpsp and had to loan out my 1st year, does the army pay for it if i stay 1 year longer than my 3 year requirement?

Do you have to stay on base at fort Sam during OBC when we're not doing field training?
Has anyone heard about the new 11 week program?
I'm in my 3rd year of dental school now- if I wont be able to complete OBC till after I graduate will I find out what base I'm assigned to before or after OBC? Thanks!

Originally Posted by xhamburgersamx

whats the loan repayment program all about? If i started a 3 year hpsp and had to loan out my 1st year, does the army pay for it if i stay 1 year longer than my 3 year requirement?

After you graduated and were in the Army you could apply for the loan repayment. I would ask the recruiter what the payback is - I'm not sure.

Originally Posted by Sting111

Do you have to stay on base at fort Sam during OBC when we're not doing field training?
Has anyone heard about the new 11 week program?
I'm in my 3rd year of dental school now- if I wont be able to complete OBC till after I graduate will I find out what base I'm assigned to before or after OBC? Thanks!

It depends. Some years all the rooms on base are full and they put you up in a Holiday Inn, other years not and you stay at the on base hotel/quarters. I would plan on being on base though.

I have a new dentist where I work, and he ended up going to OBC for about 9 weeks. He just got done last month. I don't know about the 11 week program if it is happening or not.

Originally Posted by krmower

It depends. Some years all the rooms on base are full and they put you up in a Holiday Inn, other years not and you stay at the on base hotel/quarters. I would plan on being on base though.

I have a new dentist where I work, and he ended up going to OBC for about 9 weeks. He just got done last month. I don't know about the 11 week program if it is happening or not.

Have you ever heard of anyone's family (wives and kids) staying in the area? Would I be able to see them if they were living close by? I've heard we have Sat & Sun off when we're not doing field training. Is that true?
Thanks.

Originally Posted by Sting111

Have you ever heard of anyone's family (wives and kids) staying in the area? Would I be able to see them if they were living close by? I've heard we have Sat & Sun off when we're not doing field training. Is that true?
Thanks.

You are in a class room setting most of the time. You are not restricted to base like a private since they know you are an officer. Your family can be anywhere you want them - you just have to pay for them, the Army is only paying for your room. Weekends you have off unless you have some kind of field training (usually only 1 or 2 weeks). If you are going to go beyond a certain radius from San Antonio - you just need to get it ok'd by your commander first.

Originally Posted by eric275

For fiscal year 2009 there has been some changes the level classification and pay rates for MRB (Multi-Year Retention Bonus). All specialties are now level 1 and qualify for $50k/year for a 4 year contract. Below are two charts directly from BUMED.

FY-09 Dental Officer DOMRB Rates

FY-09 DOMRB Pay Rates
Length of Agreement Level 1 Level 2 Level 3 Level 4
4-year agreement $50,000 $40,000 $35,000 $25,000
3-year agreement $38,000 $30,000 $27,000 $19,000
2-year agreement $25,000 $20,000 $18,000 $13,000


Table 5.
FY-09 Dental Officer DOMRB Levels

FY-09 DOMRB Pay Levels

Oral-Maxillofacial Surgeons 1
Comprehensive/Operative Dentistry 1
Endodontics 1
Prosthodontics 1
Orthodontics 1
Oral Pathology/Oral Diagnosis/Oral Medicine 1
Pediatric Dentistry 1
Periodontics 1
Public Health Dentistry 1
Temporomandibular Dysfunction (TMD) 1
Dental Research 1
Exodontia (Advanced Clinical Practice - ACP) 3
Endodontics (ACP) 3
General Dentistry [Comprehensive Dentistry] (ACP) 3
Periodontics (ACP) 3
Prosthodontics (ACP) 3

Eric,

Where on BUMED are you pulling this from, my OIC tried to find it as well but no luck. Any help would be great.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Kabek

Eric,

Where on BUMED are you pulling this from, my OIC tried to find it as well but no luck. Any help would be great.

Thanks

The DoD Financial Management Regulation (DoDFMR), Vol 7A "Military pay policy and procedures-active duty pay and reserve pay", Chapter 06 "Special pays for dental officers". Link http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroll...07a/07a_06.pdf.

Originally Posted by kalvydas

The DoD Financial Management Regulation (DoDFMR), Vol 7A "Military pay policy and procedures-active duty pay and reserve pay", Chapter 06 "Special pays for dental officers". Link http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroll...07a/07a_06.pdf.

Kalvydas,

Thanks for trying but this is still the 2008 numbers which are different from Eric posted. In the info Eric posted everyone is either in a tier 1 or 3, this is what I am wanting to have a link to.

Originally Posted by Kabek

Kalvydas,

Thanks for trying but this is still the 2008 numbers which are different from Eric posted. In the info Eric posted everyone is either in a tier 1 or 3, this is what I am wanting to have a link to.

Bumed is Navy - which is funny since this is an Army thread.

Each service can offer different amounts and implement the policy independant from each other - so a bonus in one service could be different than in another. DOD will issue a policy, and then it is up to each service to come up with how it will be implemented. Although in this case they are all the same. The current Army policy is issued in a MILPER message. For the Dental Corp our human resources command or HRC is the one in charge of distributing the message. Although it has been issue, they have not posted the latest version on line. Even if they had you would need an AKO login/password to get access to it.

Originally Posted by umkcdds

start looking into this early. i don't know who you would have to contact now, but i would contact your "case maganger" listed in MODS. (do HPSP students still use MODS?)

my clinic was closed for a couple months, between my third and fourth year, for renovations, so i spent 45 days at schofield barracks, Hawaii. got paid to work, had the trip paid for by the Army, as my ADT that year, and had a nice vacation.

to do something like that, you have to start asking about a year early, and have to get the time away from school. i was given clinical credit at school for the time working in the clinic.

Sorry to bring this up again. Would I be allowed to do a 2 week externship if I haven't completed OBC? I've heard they wont actually let me do work but would I be able to go assist and check out a base?

Originally Posted by Sting111

Sorry to bring this up again. Would I be allowed to do a 2 week externship if I haven't completed OBC? I've heard they wont actually let me do work but would I be able to go assist and check out a base?

You would have to call and see. My understanding from when I was in the program is that 3 weeks was the least amount of time you could go for. Yes you can go if you haven't done OBC - but you would need to talk to your recruiter or another HPSP student that has gone so you can get your uniforms and ID cards that you will need.

As far as procedures allowed - that will vary by location - so the headquarters may not be able to give you an answer as far as what location A will let you do. You may want to try to coordinate and see ahead of time what you will be allowed to do (this may vary by location so you will need to find out from the clinic you will be at). I was able to coordinate with my school ahead of time and fulfilled many clinic requirements. We had to watch Grad Perio do surgeries, as well as do a rotation with OS at the hospital - I knocked both of those out with the military.

If you coordinate with both sides early enough it allows you to reap maximum benefit or at least cause the least amount of stress.

Originally Posted by krmower

Bumed is Navy - which is funny since this is an Army thread.

Each service can offer different amounts and implement the policy independant from each other - so a bonus in one service could be different than in another. DOD will issue a policy, and then it is up to each service to come up with how it will be implemented. Although in this case they are all the same. The current Army policy is issued in a MILPER message. For the Dental Corp our human resources command or HRC is the one in charge of distributing the message. Although it has been issue, they have not posted the latest version on line. Even if they had you would need an AKO login/password to get access to it.

KR,

Yes, I know BUMED is Navy but the original poster of the information posted it here in the Army thread which is why I commented on it here.

For at least the last decade there is a tri-service consensus on the dental pays so each service is exactly the same except for possibly initial sign on bonus but all ASP,VSP, board certification, and MRB pay have been the same to my knowledge.

No longer have AKO access but the wife still does and the information presented above I have been searching for an official publication.

So if you see it somewhere please send the link and hopefully the original poster of the information eric275 can give us the actual link on BUMED because I know alot of people who would interested in seeing it in writing.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Kabek

KR,

Yes, I know BUMED is Navy but the original poster of the information posted it here in the Army thread which is why I commented on it here.

For at least the last decade there is a tri-service consensus on the dental pays so each service is exactly the same except for possibly initial sign on bonus but all ASP,VSP, board certification, and MRB pay have been the same to my knowledge.

No longer have AKO access but the wife still does and the information presented above I have been searching for an official publication.

So if you see it somewhere please send the link and hopefully the original poster of the information eric275 can give us the actual link on BUMED because I know alot of people who would interested in seeing it in writing.

Thanks.

https://dencom.army.mil

Lower right habd corner log into dental HRC link.

On the HRC page right hand side has
Links to the milpr message. Again it is the previous 08 message - not the updated 09.

This has nothing to do with anything that has been mentioned earlier, but I am very curious to hear about.

What advice would you (active duty Army Dentist) give about making statements about our current Commander in Chief? There is some discussion on this board about pay cuts, reversing dont ask dont tell, etc. I was wondering how much are you restrained by your status as a commissioned officer vs. a freethinking individual in regards to expressing your views.

Knowing that ethics is the right thing to do and the law is the point at which you will be punished, do you feel it is un-ethical or not, and is it something you can get busted for? Does anyone else worry about this or do they just feel free to fire away?