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Unfortunately, i've now been asked to defend the practice and thus far have been unable to produce any significant evidence for an inotropic effect. I know its out there somewhere, even if perhaps it is not strong. Anyone have a decent reference for this? |
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Check out some crit care text books. I think your point is commonly made. I think most think of it as an inotrope in the setting of hypocalcemia, CCB OD, citrate tox associated with mass transfusions, etc. In addition to brief inotropy it is quite effective at increasing PVR and thus is an effective pressor.
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Here is a review article with very brief mention to your point: The Use of Vasopressors
and Inotropes in the Emergency Medical Treatment of Shock. Emerg Med Clin N Am 26 (2008) 759–786 It is a start. Iride |
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Which douche is asking you to "defend" this. It's virtually from basic pharmacotherapy theory. Ever heard of calcium release fromt he sarcomere. I would also reference this article to the douchebag who wants to argue:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14684649 |
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But this isn't one of those cases. If I want to send a resident or medical student on a prove-to-me-it-works expedition, I send them on something meaningful. Like using Flolan for pulmonary hypertension. Or giving bicarb "always" for acidosis. I don't send 'em on a fool's errand. Medical education is #****edupenough already. |
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With all respect it sounds like your fellow is quite junior and/or has skipped out on their reading. Not that these practIces are so well rooted in EBM but more that they are grounded in understanding pathophysiology. Might it be incorrect? Surely. But, is there evidence to support NOT giving calcium to the hypocalcemic patient with LV dysfunction? Definitely not. Same with mag and asthma. Your fellow just sounds simple. Btw, neither of these interventions are particularly "aggressive." Now if you starting ECMO on a big chunk of your asthmatics in the ED, now that would be aggressive.
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The effect is probably transient and I doubt it affects outcomes though. |
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