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OK guys there are ton of new med schools that have either opened recently or are scheduled/planned to open soon.

I started this thread so we can keep it all in one place, and marvel as med schools become so numerous that we end up just like law schools. I'm going to include branch campus expansions as well as new med schools because a branch campus that expands 100 more slots is the same to me as a new med school.

Here we go:


NEW MEDICAL SCHOOLS/BRANCH CAMPUSES THAT HAVE OFFICIALLY OPENED

MD - University of Hawaii-Kakaako - 2006
DO - Touro/Las Vegas - 2005
DO - PCOM/Atlanta - 2005
MD - University of Miami/FAU joint program - 2004
MD - Cleveland Clinic/Lerner - 2004
DO - LECOM/Bradenton - 2004
MD - Florida State University - 2002
DO - VCOM - 2002
DO - Rocky Vista University COM - 2008 (first class being accepted now)

NEW MEDICAL SCHOOLS THAT WILL OPEN SOON

MD - Florida International Univ - 2008
MD - Univ Central Florida - 2008
MD - Touro/NJ - 2008
DO - Touro (Harlem NY) - 2008
DO - Pacific Northwest (Yakima WA) - 2007
MD - Michigan State University (Grand Rapids MI) - 2008
MD - University of Arizona (Phoenix AZ) - 2007
DO - AT Still University (Mesa AZ) - 2007
DO - Lincoln Memorial/Debusk (Harrogate TN) - 2007
DO - William Carey Univ (Hattiesburg, MS, http://www.wmcarey.edu/asp/viewpr.asp?item=430) - 2009
MD - Commonwealth/Scranton (Scranton, PA, http://physiciansnews.com/spotlight/1006.html)
MD - MCG-UGA/Athens (http://www.uga.edu/news/artman/publi...Building.shtml)


NEW MEDICAL SCHOOLS/BRANCH CAMPUSES THAT ARE IN PLANNING

MD - University of Cal Merced (Merced CA)
MD - University of Cal Riverside (Riverside CA)
MD - Texas Tech - El Paso (El Paso TX)
MD - OHSU (Eugene OR)
DO - MSUCOM (Detroit MI)
DO - Barry University (Miami FL)
MD - CUNY/Hunter College (NY, NY)
MD - Virginia Tech/Carilion (private, Roanoke VA) http://www.carilion.com/ContentStore...%20Release.pdf
MD/DO - Central Michigan University (http://www.mlive.com/news/sanews/ind...660.xml&coll=9)
MD - Oakland University (Michigan) http://www4.oakland.edu/view_news.aspx?sid=34&id=3803
MD/DO - St Thomas (St Paul MN) http://www.stthomas.edu/bulletin/new...ool5_11_07.cfm
MD - Touro New Jersey http://passaicnews.wordpress.com/200...in-2009-touro/
MD - Hofstra Univ (http://www.hofstra.edu/home/News/Pre...medschool.html)
MD - Mercer/Savannah (http://www2.mercer.edu/News/Articles...hMedSchool.htm)
DO - WesternU COM/Lebanon OR (http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles...1_hospital.txt)
MD - Univ Washington/Spokane (http://depts.washington.edu/mediarel/spokane1.html)
DO - LECOM, Greenburg PA, Seton Hill Univ (http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?PageID=acc_predoc)
DO - MSUCOM, Clinton Township MI, Macomb College (http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?PageID=acc_predoc)


Edit (6/05/06): BarryU in Miami recently announced plans for a new DO school
Edit (9/14/06): AT Still announced plans to join AOA application cycle
Edit (9/14/06): Lincoln/Debusk announced plans to join AOA application cycle
Edit (9/30/06): CUNY/Hunter announces plans for a new med school in next 5 years
Edit (1/07/07): VT/Carilion announce plans for first privately operated MD school, scheduled for 2010
Edit (04/22/07): CMU announces an initial exploration for a new med school
Edit (07/25/07): ST Thomas announces plans for new med school
Edit (07/28/07): Oakland Univ announces plans for new MD program
Edit (11/17/07): Touro announces plans for new DO program in NJ
Edit (11/27/07): William Carey Univ announces new DO program in MS
Edit (11/28/07): Hofstra Univ announces plans for new MD school (2010 projected start date)
Edit (11/29/07): Commonwealth/Scranton program added, accepting applicants in 2009
Edit (02/08/08): Mercer announces plans for new medical school branch in Savannah
Edit (02/09/08): Western COM announces plans for new DO school in Lebanon, Oregon
Edit (02/09/08): Univ Washington announces plans for new branch campus in Spokane
Edit (02/10/08): MCG and Univ of Georgia announces plans for a new MCG branch campus in Athens.
Edit (05/06/08): 2 new DO campus expansions in planning stages (LECOM Greenburg, MSUCOM Clinton)

Total count of new/expanding programs: 39
Estimated increase in number of graduates per year: 5500
% Increase in new grads per year above 2002 levels: 35%

They are putting a med school in Merced?? and Riverside?? Where did you get that info? Weird.

It seems to me that putting a med school at one of the more established UCs would make more sense (eg Berkeley or UCSC). Who wants to live in Merced?

Originally Posted by Flopotomist

They are putting a med school in Merced?? and Riverside?? Where did you get that info? Weird.

It seems to me that putting a med school at one of the more established UCs would make more sense (eg Berkeley or UCSC). Who wants to live in Merced?

The Hmong do...

Originally Posted by MacGyver

OK guys there are ton of new med schools that have either opened recently or are scheduled/planned to open soon.

I started this thread so we can keep it all in one place, and marvel as med schools become so numerous that we end up just like law schools. I'm going to include branch campus expansions as well as new med schools because a branch campus that expands 100 more slots is the same to me as a new med school.

Here we go:


NEW MEDICAL SCHOOLS/BRANCH CAMPUSES THAT HAVE OFFICIALLY OPENED

MD - University of Hawaii-Kakaako - 2006
DO - Touro/Las Vegas - 2005
DO - PCOM/Atlanta - 2005
MD - University of Miami/FAU joint program - 2004
MD - Cleveland Clinic/Lerner - 2004
DO - LECOM/Bradenton - 2004
MD - Florida State University - 2002
DO - VCOM - 2002


NEW MEDICAL SCHOOLS THAT WILL OPEN SOON

MD - Florida International Univ - 2008
MD - Univ Central Florida - 2008
MD - Touro/NJ - 2008
DO - Touro/Harlem - 2008
DO - Pacific Northwest/Yakima - 2007
MD - Michigan State University/Grand Rapids - 2008
MD - University of Arizona/Phoenix - 2007


NEW MEDICAL SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN PLANNING

MD - University of Cal Merced
MD - University of Cal Riverside
MD - University of Texas El Paso

MSU-CHM is just moving from Lansing to Grand Rapids. So, you can't really count that has a brand new school that is opening. MSU already has satellite campuses in GR... they have been talking about completely moving to GR for the last couple years, but I am not sure anything has been set in stone.

Touro NJ is an osteo school not an allo and who knows if it will ever open, the current osteo school in that state is lobbying pretty hard against it. In the allo section at least a few of those are completely new facilities not new schools...like hawaii

Touro NJ is seeking LCME accreditation, so obviously not an osteopathic school.

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey...320.xml&coll=1

OHSU is opening a branch in Eugene, which will ultimately be a stand alone school.

There are plans for DO schools in TN and Pittsburgh.

Originally Posted by snobored18

Touro NJ is an osteo school not an allo and who knows if it will ever open, the current osteo school in that state is lobbying pretty hard against it. In the allo section at least a few of those are completely new facilities not new schools...like hawaii

Originally Posted by Flopotomist

They are putting a med school in Merced?? and Riverside?? Where did you get that info? Weird.

The plans are definitely in place for Riverside (and the 7-year UCR/UCLA Biomed program will just take place at Riverside completely). I've never heard anything about a med school at Merced. That seems kind of weird to me.

Originally Posted by fun8stuff

MSU-CHM is just moving from Lansing to Grand Rapids. So, you can't really count that has a brand new school that is opening. MSU already has satellite campuses in GR... they have been talking about completely moving to GR for the last couple years, but I am not sure anything has been set in stone.

The merced school is very very early in the process. I wouldnt really say it is soon to open. It is more of an uncertainty. I m from Modesto, about 30 mins from Merced. Yea Merced would suck.

Rocky Mountain Vista (or something like that) in Denver, CO. DO school opening 2008.

Originally Posted by prefontaine

Touro NJ is seeking LCME accreditation, so obviously not an osteopathic school.

Definitely saw the article, but its hard to get through LCME accreditation without scheduling a site visit...check the schedules on the LCME's site...I see some other schools with initial accreditation but no touro.

www.lcme.org

I read the NJ article and was comfused because I can't believe that the LCME/AAMC would consider giving accreditation to Touro. I'm still not convinced whomever wrote that article didn't have things mixed up as far as the accreditation body is concerned. If some one has better info that would be cool, becuase I'll be very disapointed to hear Touro will be allowed to grant MDs...it seems like to much of a business.

Originally Posted by ShyRem

Rocky Mountain Vista (or something like that) in Denver, CO. DO school opening 2008.

It has not been decided where the DO school in CO will be. Atleast that was told to us last month when we meet with some of the people who are starting that school. They wanted to get current DO students input, as well as the some of the DO's in town(Pueblo). Yep, they are considering Pueblo as one of the locations.

Originally Posted by fun8stuff

MSU-CHM is just moving from Lansing to Grand Rapids. So, you can't really count that has a brand new school that is opening. MSU already has satellite campuses in GR... they have been talking about completely moving to GR for the last couple years, but I am not sure anything has been set in stone.

MSU-CHM has satellites in many cities (Flint, Lansing, Grand Rapids, Marquette, ???) for its clinical years. There is currently only one campus (also shared by MSU-COM) for the preclinical years. The facilities opening in Grand Rapids will be for the preclinical years; they are still finalizing details, but just got $85 million for the school. Once open, I believe it will function as its own separate school, with its own anatomy lab, professors, etc. Students applying to MSU-CHM will, I believe, be able to choose somewhat whether they want to apply for the GR school or the EL school.

MSU-COM (the DO school) is also working on plans to expand to the Detroit area. Don’t know if this is going to be a separate school or what, though…

Originally Posted by fun8stuff

MSU-CHM is just moving from Lansing to Grand Rapids. So, you can't really count that has a brand new school that is opening. MSU already has satellite campuses in GR... they have been talking about completely moving to GR for the last couple years, but I am not sure anything has been set in stone.

Sorry but thats wrong. the new campus expansion in Grand Rapids is basically a new program. It will effectively double enrollment in the whole MSU med school system.

the original campus in Lansing is staying put.

Here's your proof:

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/a...386/1102/RSS03

Originally Posted by snobored18

Touro NJ is an osteo school not an allo

Wrong, they are going allopathic, not osteo.

and who knows if it will ever open, the current osteo school in that state is lobbying pretty hard against it.

I want a link to your claim that the osteo group is lobbying against it.

At any rate, you would be foolish to discount this school. All it takes is money. The LCME criteria are clear cut. As long as you meet those criteria, then nobody else has a say in whether you open up a new program. The LCME is not a political body. As long as your school meets those criteria they WILL give it accreditation. They dont look at new schools and say "well you meet the criteria, but we wont give you permission anyways." The LCME just follows the regs, thats it.

In the allo section at least a few of those are completely new facilities not new schools...like hawaii

You didnt read my original post. I said this list was going to include branch campus expansions AND new medical schools. A branch campus expansion that increases med student slots by 100 or more is the same thing as a new medical school in terms of impact on the job market.

Branch campus expansions are a more dangerous threat than new medical schools, simply because they dont have to get separate accreditation. That means that money grubbers like Touro can easily open a new medical school "branch campus" in every single state if they wanted to. Be afraid, be very afraid for the future of the medical profession if this rampant med school expansion keeps pace.

Here's a link about the new medical school at UC Merced:

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/local/s...12801469c.html

Plans at UC Merced are only part of UC's efforts to address health care shortages locally and throughout the state. UC has increased the number of seats in its five existing medical schools and is also working on plans for a new medical school at UC Riverside.

Increasing enrollments is another tool that many med schools have used, which have flown under the radar becuase the media either isnt aware of it or does not report it. I know for sure that the University of Texas system has increased enrollment at all of its branches recently

Originally Posted by MacGyver

Here's a link about the new medical school at UC Merced:

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/local/s...12801469c.html



Increasing enrollments is another tool that many med schools have used, which have flown under the radar becuase the media either isnt aware of it or does not report it. I know for sure that the University of Texas system has increased enrollment at all of its branches recently

I'll be darned. That is great!

I would put El Paso to opening soon as it is planned to open in 2008 if all goes well. http://www.borderlandnews.com/apps/p...511170325/1001

Robert Morris University, in Pittsburgh, is planning on starting an osteopathic school (sorry if this was already mentioned)

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...6/daily28.html

As I understand it, JABSOM is moving to the new Kaka'ako campus, not opening a new branch... from the school bulletin:

The John A. Burns School of Medicine relocated to a new $150 million facility
in Kaka‘ako, on the water’s edge, between Waikıkı and downtown Honolulu. JABSOM’s previous location, the 33-year-old Biomedical Sciences building on the M¯anoa campus, will continue to be occupied by the Department of Public Health Sciences and Epidemiology, various research units, and JABSOM’s undergraduate programs.

Also, Cleveland Clinic/Lerner has a class size in the 30s, so I think we should count that as half a med school!

Go Eugene!!!

Sigh, now I'm really homesick...

Originally Posted by MacGyver

Sorry but thats wrong. the new campus expansion in Grand Rapids is basically a new program. It will effectively double enrollment in the whole MSU med school system.

the original campus in Lansing is staying put.

Here's your proof:

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/a...386/1102/RSS03

I think the title of the article may be misleading. Any current MSUCHM students know more about this? It says in the article that they will be moving the dean's office and expanding the program, which seems to suggest that they are just moving/expanding the program (which is what they were planning to do last year). Have plans changed?

The article only says that it "may" be feasible by 2008. I still don't think in anything has been set in stone. Although this would eventually increase enrollement, it is not that significant compared to the other schools in the area. Wayne State has increased admissions by 60 people in the last couple years. All schools in the US that can sustain larger class sizes have been encouraged to do so since it was postulated that there would be a huge physician shortage in the next 10 years.

Originally Posted by Brian Griffin

Robert Morris University, in Pittsburgh, is planning on starting an osteopathic school (sorry if this was already mentioned)

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...6/daily28.html

Hey Brian, I didn't know you posted here

Originally Posted by MacGyver

NEW MEDICAL SCHOOLS/BRANCH CAMPUSES THAT ARE IN PLANNING

MD - University of Cal Merced
MD - University of Cal Riverside
MD - University of Texas El Paso
DO - Vista/Colorado
MD - OHSU/Eugene
DO - MSUCOM/Detroit

I may be wrong here, but I believe the new school in El Paso will be part of the Texas Tech system. Current plans are to open it in 2008.

Originally Posted by PeterGriffin

I may be wrong here, but I believe the new school in El Paso will be part of the Texas Tech system. Current plans are to open it in 2008.

Doesnt matter, it still qualifies as a branch campus expansion and will enroll 100+ students that are totally independent of the Texas Tech campus in Lubbock.

The current arrangement is that some texas tech med students can choose to do clinical rotations in El Paso.

This is something new, because it will build a new medical campus in El Paso with its own set of preclinical students that have nothing to do with Lubbock.

So I'm counting it as a new med school

Originally Posted by MacGyver

Doesnt matter, it still qualifies as a branch campus expansion and will enroll 100+ students that are totally independent of the Texas Tech campus in Lubbock.

The current arrangement is that some texas tech med students can choose to do clinical rotations in El Paso.

This is something new, because it will build a new medical campus in El Paso with its own set of preclinical students that have nothing to do with Lubbock.

So I'm counting it as a new med school

Yeah, I know that. I wasn't saying that you shouldn't count it as a new med school. I was simply saying that Texas Tech has nothing to do with the University of Texas System, so it should say Texas Tech Health Science Center - El Paso, not University of Texas El Paso.

bumpo

I'm a recent graduate of MSU CHM...
The way our school currently opperates is that students remain in East Lansing during 1st and 2nd years for preclinical studies. 1st year is general lecture format, anatomy lab, etc - typical stuff. 2nd year is PBL. Then for 3rd and 4th year you get to choose which community campus you will attend for your clinical years. These include Lansing, Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, Flint, Saginaw, and Marquette in the upper penninsula(when applying for medical school you must specially apply for the rural physicians program to go here).

My understanding is that this expansion is to include 1st and 2nd year med students in the Grand Rapids campus and will accomodate for increased admission numbers. I believe that Grand Rapids will still be associated with MSU CHM and from my understanding have the same curriculum, etc.

As someone posted before:
The facilities opening in Grand Rapids will be for the preclinical years; they are still finalizing details, but just got $85 million for the school... Students applying to MSU-CHM will, I believe, be able to choose somewhat whether they want to apply for the GR school or the EL school.

I think this is accurate. With emphasis on the "still finalizing details part!"

Although, I have my personal doubts that the program will be entirely up and running by 2008. They may start with adding just 2nd years to the GR campus, and then move to include all years. This is my opinion.

Hope this info helps! And by the way, I had a great experience at MSU CHM and am partial to the Kalamazoo campus!!

Originally Posted by Flopotomist

They are putting a med school in Merced?? and Riverside?? Where did you get that info? Weird.

It seems to me that putting a med school at one of the more established UCs would make more sense (eg Berkeley or UCSC). Who wants to live in Merced?

Some of the new schools worry me a little, but I actually think UC-Riverside is a great idea. They've already been doing bioscience education for the UCR/UCLA joint program for years so they're not starting from scratch at all. The Inland Empire is the fastest growing area of California and they already have a severe physician shortage which is not improving. The theory is that some students who train in the Inland Empire will chose to stay. Apparently it's extremely difficult to recruit graduates to come to Riverside/San Bernardino/Coachella Valley who are used to life in Westwood, Irvine, or La Jolla.

Non-The Inland Empire is the fastest growing area of California and they already have a severe physician shortage which is not improving. The theory is that some students who train in the Inland Empire will chose to stay. Apparently it's extremely difficult to recruit graduates to come to Riverside/San Bernardino/Coachella Valley who are used to life in Westwood, Irvine, or La Jolla.

Sorry but the model of "build it and they will come" is a load of BS floated by school administrators who want access to state funds or to increase the "prestige" of their campus by adding a med school.

Putting a med school in an underserved area will do absolutely NOTHING to improve the number of doctors who practice in that area. Mark my words, all of the graduates of these campuses will flock to the big cities just like the other schools.

If you want more docs in an area, then you've got 2 possibilities which work FAR BETTER THAN BUILDING NEW MED SCHOOLS:

1) Recruit more FMGs
2) Offer loan payback programs to recruit docs to the area

Originally Posted by MacGyver

NEW MEDICAL SCHOOLS THAT WILL OPEN SOON

MD - Florida International Univ - 2008
MD - Univ Central Florida - 2008
MD - Touro/NJ - 2008
DO - Touro/Harlem - 2008
DO - Pacific Northwest/Yakima - 2007
MD - Michigan State University/Grand Rapids - 2008
MD - University of Arizona/Phoenix - 2007

Where did you find the dates when the following schools will open?

hey does anybody know what the typical admissions policies are like for new medical schools? Do they only take first years or do they accept transfer admissions for 3rd years? Thanks, I am really interested in relocating to the Orlando area.

Originally Posted by prefontaine

OHSU is opening a branch in Eugene, which will ultimately be a stand alone school.

Pretty sure that the new OSHU brach will opperate under the current OHSU. Not sure how "stand alone school" is defined but I don't think it is in the plan.

There are also plans for a med school to open in Scranton, PA. I think they are aiming for the first class in 2009.

Originally Posted by RAD11

Where did you find the dates when the following schools will open?

for AZ atleast

http://www.phoenix.medicine.arizona....t/News/Campus/

Downtown Phoenix Campus Update
Background Facilities Funding Faculty Economic Impact Arizona Biomedical Collaborative (ABC)

Background
In August 2004, the Arizona University System signed a historic memorandum of understanding that led to the expansion of The University of Arizona College of Medicine - Phoenix to a four-year program. In collaboration with Arizona State University and the Translational Genomics Research Institute (TGen), the new program will be located on the Phoenix Biomedical Campus at Seventh Street and Van Buren. This campus is also home to TGen and the ASU Biomedical Informatics Department.

The new campus is the result of groundbreaking collaborations between Arizona's universities, private businesses, state and local governments, local hospitals and non-profit organizations. It will open in July 2006 and the first class of 24 medical students will start in July 2007. Plans call for the program to grow to 150 students per year by 2015 - more than doubling the number of MDs graduating in Arizona each year. Because the UA College of Medicine only accepts Arizona residents (with few exceptions), the opportunity for Arizona students to attend medical school will dramatically increase.

Since 1992, third- and fourth-year UA medical students have been able to complete coursework at the Phoenix campus located at Third Street and Indian School Road. Each year nearly 90 UA students participate in clinical rotations at several Phoenix-area hospitals. This expansion will allow students to attend all four years of medical school at the new Phoenix location.

The campus will be located on a 15.7 acre parcel provided by the City of Phoenix for the establishment of the Phoenix Biomedical Campus. The medical school will be a key element of the biomedical campus which will include TGen, the ASU Biomedical Informatics Department, the Arizona Biomedical Collaborative (ABC) and possibly future space for the UA College of Pharmacy.
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Facilities
The College of Medicine will be housed in the historic Phoenix Union High School buildings. Renovation of the buildings is well underway. The exterior of building three is complete and interior work is in its final stages. Restoration of the historic ceiling in the auditorium is in progress and construction of the addition to this building has begun. Exterior renovation of building one is taking place as illustrated by the scaffolding surrounding the building. Construction of the core addition which will contain an elevator, restrooms and plasma screens also is in progress.

An RFQ has been issued by the City of Phoenix for the parking structure for the campus.

To view a virtual tour of the new campus under construction, follow this link: Virtual Tour

In addition to the medical school buildings, the Arizona Biomedical Collaborative (ABC) building has broken ground on the Phoenix Biomedical Campus. The project will be the first building shared by the UA and ASU and is also the first public building dedicated to research in Phoenix. Funding for the project was provided by HB2529 (the Legislative Appropriation for Research Infrastructure) which fast forwarded research finding for the UA, ASU and NAU. The facility will house the ASU Department of Biomedical Informatics and wet lab space for the UA College of Medicine for diabetes, neurological and cancer research.
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Funding
The Arizona Legislature has allocated $7 million ($1 million to Arizona State University and $6 million to The University of Arizona) to bring a full four-year program of the College of Medicine to Phoenix. As part of the legislation approving the allocation, the Arizona Board of Regents was required to submit a detailed plan to the Joint Legislative Budget Committee (JLBC) by September 1, 2005. The plan was presented at an ABOR meeting on August 16. It was unanimously approved and sent to the JLBC who also provided a favorable review at their Sept. 28, 2005 meeting. The plan details the facilities, budget, communications strategy, enrollment, programming and staffing for the new campus. To view a copy of the plan, follow this link: COM Expansion Plan

The City of Phoenix has allocated $25 million in New Markets Tax Credits to be used for the renovation of the historic buildings. Mayor Phil Gordon has also included an additional $90 million credits in the City of Phoenix 2006 New Markets Tax Credits application. These additional tax credits would be used for the development of a new academic building that would allow the campus to expand from the initial 24 students to 150 students per year. (New Markets Tax Credits are not a dollar for dollar credit; they do, however, reduce the overall cost of the project.)
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Faculty
Committees have been actively recruiting key faculty for the Phoenix campus. This process is very important as these faculty members will be responsible for the ultimate development of the curriculum for the Phoenix program. More than 400 applications have been received and have been reviewed by a committee representative of the key collaborators (UA, ASU, TGen, among others). Interviews began in Jan. 2006 with the first 32 candidates being interviewed. Groups of eight potential faculty members participated in a three-day process that included a reception at City of Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon's office, a research symposium at TGen, personal interviews and a group discussion related to curriculum and the medical education process. Selection of the first eight faculty members is in progress.
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Economic Impact
In Nov. 2005, Tripp Umbach completed an economic impact study of the Phoenix Biomedical Campus. The study analyzed three possible scenarios for the evolution of the campus over the next 20 years. The study found that the new campus is projected to create between 14,000 and 24,000 new jobs by 2025; generate between $45 million and $85 million in indirect government revenue; and result in an overall economic impact of between $1.1 billion and $2.1 billion each year by 2025. For more information: Tripp Umbach Study or view the COM press release at: Economic Impact Release.

As someone who grew up in Phoenix I have to say that the Phoenix med school is long overdue. How did it take this long for the 6th largest city in America to get a med school? That's not even counting the metro area which has about the same population as the SF-Oakland area.

If they play their cards right they could really turn that place into a top-notch research institution as well. I've done some work for TGen and they've got a lot of good stuff coming out and have a lot of open positions for interested students.

It will be interesting to see how it evolves in comparison to the U of A med school which is much more focused on rural medicine and primary care.

And at least they didn't call it ASU med school Go Wildcats!

Two more DO schools that have received Pre-Accreditation

-A.T. Still University of Health Sciences College of Osteopathic Medicine-Mesa (Ariz.)

-Lincoln Memorial University College of Osteopathic Medicine in Harrogate, Tenn.

Originally Posted by MacGyver

Sorry but the model of "build it and they will come" is a load of BS floated by school administrators who want access to state funds or to increase the "prestige" of their campus by adding a med school.

Putting a med school in an underserved area will do absolutely NOTHING to improve the number of doctors who practice in that area. Mark my words, all of the graduates of these campuses will flock to the big cities just like the other schools.

If you want more docs in an area, then you've got 2 possibilities which work FAR BETTER THAN BUILDING NEW MED SCHOOLS:

1) Recruit more FMGs
2) Offer loan payback programs to recruit docs to the area

I disagree. For one, there has been a lot of chatter about not graduating enough physicians to support the populace, so maybe opening up new medical schools is more of a necessity than just a ploy to make money.

If new medical schools are to be set up then underserved areas are the best place to do so. If hospitals are converted into teaching facilities two things happen.
1. There is a higher possibility of attracting better trained physicians who will stick around for a longer period of time

2. The facility generates more revenue through students who rotate there.

As far as your idea of recruiting more FMGs and loan payback schemes, they are good ideas, unfortunately there is a high turnover rate. Once people have their loans paid off, there really isn't any other incentive to stick around and IMGs are more likely to settle down in urban areas where the likelihood of interaction with people of their own community is higher.

bump: 2 new DO schools added to list

gotta love it, these DO schools are popping up faster than off shore carribean schools. What's worse is those student will not have accrediation issue like carib grads. What a sad state we live in. Non-profit my ass.

Right now, MD schools are graduating something like 17k students every year, DO schools are graduating ~2000 students. Doesn't that number still fill only 75% of residencies in this country? If all these new schools are opening (and I'm not sure if they all are), and if that does add 3600 new people, that's still plenty of residencies that remains unfilled. I guess to me, this situation where there's so many qualified people that don't get into med school yet we keep importing doctors to fill up residency spots seems kind of a weird perversion of good ol' capitalist supply and demand.

Originally Posted by MacGyver

Wrong, they are going allopathic, not osteo.



I want a link to your claim that the osteo group is lobbying against it.

At any rate, you would be foolish to discount this school. All it takes is money. The LCME criteria are clear cut. As long as you meet those criteria, then nobody else has a say in whether you open up a new program. The LCME is not a political body. As long as your school meets those criteria they WILL give it accreditation. They dont look at new schools and say "well you meet the criteria, but we wont give you permission anyways." The LCME just follows the regs, thats it.



You didnt read my original post. I said this list was going to include branch campus expansions AND new medical schools. A branch campus expansion that increases med student slots by 100 or more is the same thing as a new medical school in terms of impact on the job market.

Branch campus expansions are a more dangerous threat than new medical schools, simply because they dont have to get separate accreditation. That means that money grubbers like Touro can easily open a new medical school "branch campus" in every single state if they wanted to. Be afraid, be very afraid for the future of the medical profession if this rampant med school expansion keeps pace.

even if the first few yrs it becomes slightly easier to enter these new schools, the boards are still the boards. competitive residencies will remain competitive.

Originally Posted by NonTradMed

Right now, MD schools are graduating something like 17k students every year, DO schools are graduating ~2000 students. Doesn't that number still fill only 75% of residencies in this country?

We have so many programs in family medicine because hospitals want the prestige of being a teaching hospital and the free money from Medicare. The non-primary care fields usually fill up.

Originally Posted by jmk

Pretty sure that the new OSHU brach will opperate under the current OHSU. Not sure how "stand alone school" is defined but I don't think it is in the plan.

Also, I think for now, it's only for clinical years. OHSU is already probably too small (it's around 120 students, while most other state schools are closer to 150), so I don't think we should worry about a doctor glut from them increasing their class size.

Originally Posted by deuist

We have so many programs in family medicine because hospitals want the prestige of being a teaching hospital and the free money from Medicare. The non-primary care fields usually fill up.

I guess my point is that we go into med school to become doctors and no med student who passes his courses and boards will have issues with getting a residency program. I'm not sure why having a lot of family practice residencies necessitates artifically keeping the number of med students low....so med students can all avoid family practice if they so choose? If students want to avoid FM, they should aim for higher board scores, not by keeping competition out.

Originally Posted by NonTradMed

I guess my point is that we go into med school to become doctors and no med student who passes his courses and boards will have issues with getting a residency program. I'm not sure why having a lot of family practice residencies necessitates artifically keeping the number of med students low....so med students can all avoid family practice if they so choose? If students want to avoid FM, they should aim for higher board scores, not by keeping competition out.

Again, you make the same mistake of assuming that the number of residency slots is matched to population demand for doctors. I assure you there is absolutely zero connection between the two.

The number of residency slots has EVERYTHING to do with free federal money and politics and has NOTHING to do with population demand.

bump

Yet another med school in the New YOrk area, as if NYC really needed any new med schools, what a total joke.

NYC has the highest number of docs per capita of anywhere in the world, yet somehow they need another med school.

Yeah, I'm not so sure we need any more doctors:

http://dartmed.dartmouth.edu/spring0...sc_doctors.php

Originally Posted by MacGyver

Sorry but the model of "build it and they will come" is a load of BS floated by school administrators who want access to state funds or to increase the "prestige" of their campus by adding a med school.

Putting a med school in an underserved area will do absolutely NOTHING to improve the number of doctors who practice in that area. Mark my words, all of the graduates of these campuses will flock to the big cities just like the other schools.

If you want more docs in an area, then you've got 2 possibilities which work FAR BETTER THAN BUILDING NEW MED SCHOOLS:

1) Recruit more FMGs
2) Offer loan payback programs to recruit docs to the area

Actually studies show neither of those work well. the only thing that does is letting in more med students from underserved areas/populations.

The University of Hawaii just has a new med school campus - not a brand new school.

Originally Posted by MacGyver

Again, you make the same mistake of assuming that the number of residency slots is matched to population demand for doctors. I assure you there is absolutely zero connection between the two.

The number of residency slots has EVERYTHING to do with free federal money and politics and has NOTHING to do with population demand.

Yeah, plus the spots that tend to go unfilled by US grads are not going to be filled by creating more US grads. Urology, derm, plastics, ortho, radiology, anesthesia, EM, gen surg - these fields tend to fill up each year with US grads.

You don't just make more FPs, internists, and psychs by letting more kids into med school, b/c all those kids are still going to want to practice emergency medicine, ortho, or interventional cardiology...