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Lisa_OSU · 08-17-2002, 07:33 AM

Does anyone have any idea what the Wash U in St. Louis program is like? Good, bad. or ugly? There were no reviews on Scutwork. Also, if anyone has thoughts on any of the other programs in St. Louis, I would appreciate hearing. Thanks.

Rigomortis · 08-26-2002, 11:34 PM

I've heard that it's a great program. Apparently there is a significant investment in teaching time, interns take on a lot of responsibility, and it's fairly benign in comparison to most of the other high-powered IM residencies. But this is just hearsay

~~ckent~~ · 08-27-2002, 11:50 AM

I too heard good things about Wash U's internal medicine program from a peds resident. She told me that I should apply because they are very nice to the residents there and they have a relatively benign call schedule.

shindog · 08-29-2002, 04:37 PM

Lisa_OSU,

I am a MS1 at OSU-COM. I am from St. Louis and hope to get a residency at WashU. I did research there for two years before going to med school. WashU in general is pretty apathetic towards DOs, but I don't think they have ever admitted one to their IM residency. Let me know if you decide to put them on your match list. It would be great for a DO (especially one form OSU) to get in and do a good job. That could pave the way for DOs in that program (myself included).

Stormreaver · 08-29-2002, 07:10 PM

I interviewed at Wash U and thought the program was great. However, like with DOs it is extremely difficult for IMGs to get in.

sarah-in-stl · 09-03-2002, 04:00 PM

I am an MS4 at Wash U and I am applying for residency in IM.
I have just finished my sub-I at Barnes Hospital (Wash U main teaching hospital) & I've also rotated through the VA medicine service here. I have heard & observed uniformly good things about the Wash U. IM program. The residents (including interns) seem very happy and they get a lot of autonomy especially on the ward & VA services. The call schedule is q4 (except q3 in the ICUs) and there is a 10pm or 10-patient per team admission cap (and I have never seen those rules broken) Night float takes cross cover and admissions after 10 pm. The residents are definitely treated well compared to other programs of this caliber. Barnes is a tertiary care center and the typical ward patient has multiple problems. For me and most of my classmates seeking IM residencies the last few years, staying here is at/near the top of the list which is a great recommendation. Lots of people shy away from St Louis especially coming from the coasts. It is however, an easy place to live and very affordable- you could buy a house here versus not being able to pay rent in some cities.

shindog · 09-19-2002, 10:01 PM

bump

katz5001 · 09-27-2002, 09:32 PM

any interviews from wash u?

Dr.MISHKA,D.O. · 06-29-2006, 04:13 PM

I can't speak for IM, but I am starting at Wash in EM in 24 hours

. And I just realized this post is from 4 years ago.

Best Wishes

The Mish

Mumpu · 07-06-2006, 07:32 PM

Interviewed there, didn't like it, didn't rank. Search the forums for the interview feedback thread, I'm not reposting my rants again.

gutonc · 07-07-2006, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumpu

Interviewed there, didn't like it, didn't rank. Search the forums for the interview feedback thread, I'm not reposting my rants again.

I too interviewed there and was duly unimpressed by the Merck Dept. of Medicine. It's not really called that but it sure felt like I was at a pharm co.

BE (now PE)

APACHE3 · 07-07-2006, 08:46 PM

..let me see, Washington Manual, hmmm =IM bible, hmmm..maybe a decent program..maybe a stretch here...just guessing!

Mumpu · 07-08-2006, 09:42 AM

In the eye of the beholder...

I don't consider Wash Manual to be the bible. I though St. Louis was a hideous place to live, after hearing about all the great cases the morning report was (wait for it... wait for it... an obvious tylenol overdose), the noon conference wasn't particularly good, the chiefs do not teach, the program is out of touch with the realities of hospitalist training, the program director wasn't there at all during the interview day, and I thought the schedule was excessively cush.

APACHE3 · 07-08-2006, 12:29 PM

I admit I have Wash manual on my PDA, but I use pocket medicine and 5MCC 90% of the time. I was just giving her a hard time. It was kind of a silly question...but I've asked my share of those too!

And PS AFter doing audition rotations at 2 top 15 med schools, I think that US news and W ranking is a bunch of Sh%$! 80% of the research at both those schools were being done by chinese post-docs, with 0% clinical exposure..how that translates into a top tier school is baffling to me, but it seems thats how people love to rank schools!! Just interview at 10-15 places and do your best to find where you think you will fit in best. most of the US hospitals are identical in how they operate, even the so called top tier schools...My program is considered community, but I have a world reknowned GI doc and the nations busiest Interv. cardiologist. Gee, you think I might learn some IM here???? GL

Adcadet · 07-11-2006, 07:05 AM

This is second hand, so take it with a giant bag of 3% saline:
A friend of a friend went down there, and he/she was scheduled to work every major holidy during his/her internship year. Nobody in the administration nor the Chiefs picked up on this horrible schedule, and when asked about it their response was that he/she could trade with fellow residents to try to get important days off...which would be incredibly hard since he/she's working every major holiday already. He/she also pointed out that the nursing staff at the VA in St. Louis is scarry, even for a VA. He/she noted one experience in particular where the nursing staff basically ignored the "call house officer if..." orders on a patient who was crashing. Again, this is all second hand info.

08-17-2002, 07:33 AM	#1
Lisa_OSU Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 19	Wash U program? SDN Members don't see this ad. Does anyone have any idea what the Wash U in St. Louis program is like? Good, bad. or ugly? There were no reviews on Scutwork. Also, if anyone has thoughts on any of the other programs in St. Louis, I would appreciate hearing. Thanks.

08-29-2002, 04:37 PM	#4
shindog Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 213	WashU program Lisa_OSU, I am a MS1 at OSU-COM. I am from St. Louis and hope to get a residency at WashU. I did research there for two years before going to med school. WashU in general is pretty apathetic towards DOs, but I don't think they have ever admitted one to their IM residency. Let me know if you decide to put them on your match list. It would be great for a DO (especially one form OSU) to get in and do a good job. That could pave the way for DOs in that program (myself included).

08-29-2002, 07:10 PM	#5
Stormreaver The Blade of Tyshalle Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 418	I interviewed at Wash U and thought the program was great. However, like with DOs it is extremely difficult for IMGs to get in. __________________ "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I- I took the one less travelled by, And that has made all the difference." --Robert Frost "The person who takes the banal and ordinary and illuminates it in a new way can terrify. We do not want our ideas changed. We feel threatened by such demands. 'I already know the important things!' we say. Then Changer comes and throws our old ideas away." --Frank Herbert; Chapterhouse: Dune

09-27-2002, 09:32 PM	#8
katz5001 Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 42	interviews any interviews from wash u? __________________ kevin katz

07-06-2006, 07:32 PM	#10
Mumpu Burninator, MD Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,199	Interviewed there, didn't like it, didn't rank. Search the forums for the interview feedback thread, I'm not reposting my rants again. __________________ "The art of medicine consists of amusing the patient while nature cures the disease." -- Voltaire

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08-26-2002, 11:34 PM	#2
Rigomortis Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 102	I've heard that it's a great program. Apparently there is a significant investment in teaching time, interns take on a lot of responsibility, and it's fairly benign in comparison to most of the other high-powered IM residencies. But this is just hearsay

08-27-2002, 11:50 AM	#3
~~ckent~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Smallville/Metropolis Posts: 2,140	I too heard good things about Wash U's internal medicine program from a peds resident. She told me that I should apply because they are very nice to the residents there and they have a relatively benign call schedule.

09-03-2002, 04:00 PM	#6
sarah-in-stl New Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1	I am an MS4 at Wash U and I am applying for residency in IM. I have just finished my sub-I at Barnes Hospital (Wash U main teaching hospital) & I've also rotated through the VA medicine service here. I have heard & observed uniformly good things about the Wash U. IM program. The residents (including interns) seem very happy and they get a lot of autonomy especially on the ward & VA services. The call schedule is q4 (except q3 in the ICUs) and there is a 10pm or 10-patient per team admission cap (and I have never seen those rules broken) Night float takes cross cover and admissions after 10 pm. The residents are definitely treated well compared to other programs of this caliber. Barnes is a tertiary care center and the typical ward patient has multiple problems. For me and most of my classmates seeking IM residencies the last few years, staying here is at/near the top of the list which is a great recommendation. Lots of people shy away from St Louis especially coming from the coasts. It is however, an easy place to live and very affordable- you could buy a house here versus not being able to pay rent in some cities.

09-19-2002, 10:01 PM	#7
shindog Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 213	bump

06-29-2006, 04:13 PM	#9
Dr.MISHKA,D.O. Senior Member Status: Resident Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Standing in the midst of a year long Code....... Posts: 133	I can't speak for IM, but I am starting at Wash in EM in 24 hours . And I just realized this post is from 4 years ago. Best Wishes The Mish

07-07-2006, 08:46 PM	#12
APACHE3 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 566	hmmm.... ..let me see, Washington Manual, hmmm =IM bible, hmmm..maybe a decent program..maybe a stretch here...just guessing!

07-08-2006, 09:42 AM	#13
Mumpu Burninator, MD Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,199	In the eye of the beholder... I don't consider Wash Manual to be the bible. I though St. Louis was a hideous place to live, after hearing about all the great cases the morning report was (wait for it... wait for it... an obvious tylenol overdose), the noon conference wasn't particularly good, the chiefs do not teach, the program is out of touch with the realities of hospitalist training, the program director wasn't there at all during the interview day, and I thought the schedule was excessively cush.

07-08-2006, 12:29 PM	#14
APACHE3 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 566	ok,ok I admit I have Wash manual on my PDA, but I use pocket medicine and 5MCC 90% of the time. I was just giving her a hard time. It was kind of a silly question...but I've asked my share of those too! And PS AFter doing audition rotations at 2 top 15 med schools, I think that US news and W ranking is a bunch of Sh%$! 80% of the research at both those schools were being done by chinese post-docs, with 0% clinical exposure..how that translates into a top tier school is baffling to me, but it seems thats how people love to rank schools!! Just interview at 10-15 places and do your best to find where you think you will fit in best. most of the US hospitals are identical in how they operate, even the so called top tier schools...My program is considered community, but I have a world reknowned GI doc and the nations busiest Interv. cardiologist. Gee, you think I might learn some IM here???? GL

07-11-2006, 07:05 AM	#15
Adcadet Long way from Gate 27 Status: Resident Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 44 deg 1 min 11 sec N, 92 deg 28 min 55 sec W Posts: 2,163	This is second hand, so take it with a giant bag of 3% saline: A friend of a friend went down there, and he/she was scheduled to work every major holidy during his/her internship year. Nobody in the administration nor the Chiefs picked up on this horrible schedule, and when asked about it their response was that he/she could trade with fellow residents to try to get important days off...which would be incredibly hard since he/she's working every major holiday already. He/she also pointed out that the nursing staff at the VA in St. Louis is scarry, even for a VA. He/she noted one experience in particular where the nursing staff basically ignored the "call house officer if..." orders on a patient who was crashing. Again, this is all second hand info. __________________ iatrogenica imperfecta fulminans vs. normal variant "If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly" -- Ashley Brilliant.

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