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 08-15-2009, 07:50 PM #301 Senior Member   Status: Dental Student Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 459 SDN Members don't see this ad. (About Ads) are these from achiever or sumthin? these same alot harder than CRACK
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 08-16-2009, 10:03 AM #303 Member   Status: Pre-Dental Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 30 Anybody correct me if i'm wrong on this but here goes: The way you can find the answer is mainly from the top view. For the right side you know it's slanted because the slant forms a rectangle whereas a vertical cut would not lead to a rectangle. I drew a 3D back view to let you see what I mean. Same goes for the top left box. If the answer were D, the top view would look like the picture I put up above D. As for A vs. B, the only difference is squares vs. circles and from what I can tell, the square's length is bigger than the corresponding lengths in the top and end views, so the protrusions must be circular/cylindrical. For this one I've highlighted the lengths of each section that you should be able to see in the end view. You have a piece that is short, followed by a middle sized piece, then a long piece. Choosing between C and D, you can see why C doesn't work because the order goes middle, short, long instead. After eliminating A and C, D vs B you can distinguish based on the dotted lines. Let me know if that doesn't make sense
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Thank You---the second one makes perfect sense to me

The first one I completely understood now that you explained it but I hope I can apply this diagonal line thing on real DAT- DIagonal lines really throw me off---i cant picture them.

But andyways Thank you so much for your help

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 Originally Posted by dynococus Anybody correct me if i'm wrong on this but here goes: The way you can find the answer is mainly from the top view. For the right side you know it's slanted because the slant forms a rectangle whereas a vertical cut would not lead to a rectangle. I drew a 3D back view to let you see what I mean. Same goes for the top left box. If the answer were D, the top view would look like the picture I put up above D. As for A vs. B, the only difference is squares vs. circles and from what I can tell, the square's length is bigger than the corresponding lengths in the top and end views, so the protrusions must be circular/cylindrical. For this one I've highlighted the lengths of each section that you should be able to see in the end view. You have a piece that is short, followed by a middle sized piece, then a long piece. Choosing between C and D, you can see why C doesn't work because the order goes middle, short, long instead. After eliminating A and C, D vs B you can distinguish based on the dotted lines. Let me know if that doesn't make sense

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Hey Justin!

Thank you sooooo much for your detailed reply. This helps a lot! I used to freak out when I see questions dealing with circles!

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 09-07-2009, 12:52 AM #307 Member   Status: Pre-Dental Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 56 All of these have been straight. How about curvy objects keyhole or TFE like some uneven top and bottom shape of spinning flying saucer or some kind of uneven half of hour glass? Or even curvy medallion. I got 2 objects similar to those in the last PAT. I think I got hung up on it and wasted minutes on it trying to logic it out.
 09-08-2009, 05:48 PM #308 Member   Status: Pre-Dental Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: nor/so-CAL Posts: 86 study material first of all, thanks for all of your help. secondly i have about a month till my DAT and i was wondering what else to get from: destroyer, top score, crack dat pat, etc. so far i have only used kaplan books, bio AP cliffs, barrons, and chemistry text book for chem review, i used examkrackers ochem mcat book for ochem, and pat not really much but the kaplan (i know its bad) so preferably what would be my best one or two things to get to get a good review/practice problems and for good price---note that i cant afford everything. thanks. i would like things to focus on pat and have real dat type test questions. thanks.
 09-08-2009, 11:22 PM #309 Junior Member   Status Pre-Dental Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9 I have a question regarding CUBE COUNTING!! Is there any need to determine the sides of every single cube, or it's a better time saver to only find out the ones they ask for. are there more than one question for one set of cubes??? Also, I read that some ppl prefer doing the 1,2,3,4,5 versus Top, middle bottom chart. Does that work well? I feel theres no need to write out what layer the cube is at....?? do you guys bother double checking the number of cubes in total and making sure you accounted for every cube...or too much time.... My problem is counting and keeping track of the cube on the computer...this section was the easiest for me when doing it on paper (the canadian version dat!) now that i need to write and take my eyes off the computer i lose my concentration in where i was counting at (my trick is to leave the mouse at where the cube i'm counting...but kinda slow..) HOW MUCH TIME FOR EACH SECTION OF THE PAT???? THANKS!!
 09-23-2009, 12:11 AM #310 Senior Member     Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UCSD Posts: 594 Help on folding I found this kind of folding question very hard. Can anybody share your tricks? thanks
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 Originally Posted by katiyalooca I have a question regarding CUBE COUNTING!! Is there any need to determine the sides of every single cube, or it's a better time saver to only find out the ones they ask for. are there more than one question for one set of cubes??? ================ 3-5 per picutre Also, I read that some ppl prefer doing the 1,2,3,4,5 versus Top, middle bottom chart. Does that work well? I feel theres no need to write out what layer the cube is at....?? do you guys bother double checking the number of cubes in total and making sure you accounted for every cube...or too much time.... ======= find a method you like best. I usually dont check total cube. My problem is counting and keeping track of the cube on the computer...this section was the easiest for me when doing it on paper (the canadian version dat!) now that i need to write and take my eyes off the computer i lose my concentration in where i was counting at (my trick is to leave the mouse at where the cube i'm counting...but kinda slow..) ======== write without look at your paper. HOW MUCH TIME FOR EACH SECTION OF THE PAT???? THANKS!!
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 Originally Posted by hausee I found this kind of folding question very hard. Can anybody share your tricks? thanks

hmmm... b?

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 Originally Posted by akeurogh hmmm... b?
These cube type folding problems also give me tons of trouble.. How do you guys figure these ones out?
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 Originally Posted by akeurogh hmmm... b?
Sorry, double post.

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b?

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this one looks like its E

am I right about the patter folding btw?

 09-23-2009, 01:31 AM #318 Senior Member     Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UCSD Posts: 594 Both B. But I am not here just for the answers. I need to know how do they work out in your mind. thanks btw. How do you know it is b not e or d for key hole? Last edited by hausee; 09-23-2009 at 01:46 AM.
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 Originally Posted by hausee Both B. But I am not here just for the answers. I need to know how do they work out in your mind. thanks btw. How do you know it is b not e or d for key hole?
Hey, okay for the key hole its not D because its not even at the top. I can see why its not E because the shapes have a side difference.... Do you see what i'm saying?

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 Originally Posted by hausee I found this kind of folding question very hard. Can anybody share your tricks? thanks
hmmm, no tricks. gotta practice this shape until you know it like the back of your hand. this and the dices are a couple of the "easiest" hard paper folding questions

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This one is impossibly hard. The only thing that can even hint you that its B is that D and E are the same, and If D is right, E has to be too and vice versa.

B has that invisible part... wtf.

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 Originally Posted by hausee I found this kind of folding question very hard. Can anybody share your tricks? thanks
Other than elimination,there really are no "tricks". You can throw D out because the shaded regions in the unfolded template NEVER go corner to corner. C looks like it was drawn carelessly (the top square, I can't tell if the shaded region is corner to corner or not), but we'll keep it in the running for now. Next step is to look for a "two block repeat" or two reference squares. The top two squares in the unfolded template correspond to the bottom two squares in cubes B and C.

To eliminate A, look at its bottom two squares. The bottom left square (this is the one that is facing the viewer) in cube A corresponds to the bottom right square in the unfolded template. So the only way to get cube A is to have the top of that same square match up with the square directly above the corresponding one in the template. one quick look will tell you that's not the case.

Moving on to B and C, we have now established two "reference squares." The two reference squares in the folded cubes correspond to the top two square in the unfolded template. Looking at cube B and C, the only difference is the square on the top. Looking now at the unfolded template, one can see that the bottom left square is the one that folds to form that top square in the folded cubes. However, using a little common sense, you can see that the bottom let square in the unfolded template has its shaded portion pointing to the corner; a corner which is not adjacent to any other shaded lines. This is the case in B, and not C. Besides, the top square in C just looks plain silly.

Let me know if that helped.

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 Originally Posted by AF11 Other than elimination,there really are no "tricks". You can throw D out because the shaded regions in the unfolded template NEVER go corner to corner. C looks like it was drawn carelessly (the top square, I can't tell if the shaded region is corner to corner or not), but we'll keep it in the running for now. Next step is to look for a "two block repeat" or two reference squares. The top two squares in the unfolded template correspond to the bottom two squares in cubes B and C. To eliminate A, look at its bottom two squares. The bottom left square (this is the one that is facing the viewer) in cube A corresponds to the bottom right square in the unfolded template. So the only way to get cube A is to have the top of that same square match up with the square directly above the corresponding one in the template. one quick look will tell you that's not the case. Moving on to B and C, we have now established two "reference squares." The two reference squares in the folded cubes correspond to the top two square in the unfolded template. Looking at cube B and C, the only difference is the square on the top. Looking now at the unfolded template, one can see that the bottom left square is the one that folds to form that top square in the folded cubes. However, using a little common sense, you can see that the bottom let square in the unfolded template has its shaded portion pointing to the corner; a corner which is not adjacent to any other shaded lines. This is the case in B, and not C. Besides, the top square in C just looks plain silly. Let me know if that helped.

You should get accustomed to it to the point that you know that the bottom left corner will touch the middle corner of the top two piece.

 09-30-2009, 01:55 AM #324 Senior Member     Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UCSD Posts: 594 two more key hole. Please tell me how you figure it out, not just answer. thanks
 09-30-2009, 08:05 AM #325 New Member   Status Pre-Dental Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2 I recently took the DAT a month ago and after practicing using CRACK DAT and Kaplan my score really really sucked! I'm trying to score at least a 20 next time around and this thread has been very helpful. However T/F/E remains to be the worst section for me. I'm averaging b/w 6-9 questions. Could anyone please help me translate these dashed and solid lines? Maybe there is a simple explanation, but I just can't see it. I greatly appreciate any assistance! I chose B, but the correct answer is A I was between C or D..leaning more towards D. However, both were wrong. The answer is A. I chose D, yet the answer is A. I chose C, but the answer is D.
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Hi it is very sad to say you might got the worst PAT material I every saw. For example. The end view suppose to look from right to left, however, your Qs is from left to right. See pic below. Also there are many wrong lines in your qs.

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 Originally Posted by starsnstripes I recently took the DAT a month ago and after practicing using CRACK DAT and Kaplan my score really really sucked! I'm trying to score at least a 20 next time around and this thread has been very helpful. However T/F/E remains to be the worst section for me. I'm averaging b/w 6-9 questions. Could anyone please help me translate these dashed and solid lines? Maybe there is a simple explanation, but I just can't see it. I greatly appreciate any assistance! I chose B, but the correct answer is A I was between C or D..leaning more towards D. However, both were wrong. The answer is A. I chose D, yet the answer is A. I chose C, but the answer is D.

 09-30-2009, 11:13 AM #328 Senior Member     Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UCSD Posts: 594 But to answer your QS. 1. C (dash line should be in the middle) 2. A 3. dont know what to say 4. same to 3, wrong 2nd line from right(front view), should be dash line. Last edited by hausee; 09-30-2009 at 11:34 AM.
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Anybody?

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 Originally Posted by hausee two more key hole. Please tell me how you figure it out, not just answer. thanks

 10-01-2009, 11:30 PM #330 New Member   Status Pre-Dental Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4 hausee, This seems very helpful, but what are your thoughts on line/events counting. ive been practicing with this, and it works most of the time, at least in eliminating half of the answer choices immediately which makes it easier to just compare whatever is different between the 2 answer choices. the only concern is that I have never done the real DAT, but on Kaplan and CDP this seems to work like a charm. Do you think i can rely on counting line, at least for eliminating some answer choices on the real DAT? Last edited by bdman; 10-01-2009 at 11:48 PM.
 10-02-2009, 12:04 AM #331 Senior Member     Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UCSD Posts: 594 I never use line counting so I have no comments about it. But I heard people saying it is not safe that rely on it for real DAT. Imaging 3D object is the key for this section. And becareful not fall into traps.
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 Originally Posted by hausee But to answer your QS. 1. C (dash line should be in the middle) 2. A 3. dont know what to say 4. same to 3, wrong 2nd line from right(front view), should be dash line.

Thank you for letting me know about the errors. I know I need plenty of help with TFE. Do you (or anyone else) have any recommendations? I have CRACK DAT, yet I'm still averaging around 9/15 though.

 10-18-2009, 04:31 PM #333 Junior Member   Status: Pharmacy Student Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 22 THANK YOU sama!!!! i was averaging 18s on CDP until i read your tips last night and just finished my last CDP with a 21!!! thank you thank you!!
 10-28-2009, 08:32 PM #334 Junior Member   Status Pre-Dental Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 7 Nice Post . Hi! Thanks for the post! its was bit confusing but nice technique.. my dat is on nov 7th! Goddddd this section really sucks....... but ll practice with your technique.. Thanks again..
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 Originally Posted by hausee two more key hole. Please tell me how you figure it out, not just answer. thanks
I'm between D and E on the first one. I think it could be D because if you look at the shape from the top, you would see a square, with a square hole in the middle of it (the "shelf" in the middle does not extend all the way into the walls, creating a continuous square if looked directly from above). Although E also makes sense..

For the second one, I think the answer is C, because if you look at the structure directly from the front, the front and the back shapes seem to line up, leaving us with the outline of C. A and B show these two not lining up, but it appears that they do. E is incorrect because an end view of the structure should show the middle rectangle as higher than the other two sandwiching it.

Hope this helps.. let me know if you see flaw in my logic

 11-01-2009, 12:36 PM #336 Junior Member   Status Pre-Dental Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 7 Hi Sama! Hi sama ! I am from canada too and i have my Dat on Nov 7th. I just have a question... Do we need to take carving knife and scale or will they give us all the things needed for carving. what about blank papers for calculations? do they give us them or not?
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 Originally Posted by deadlyteeth Hi sama ! I am from canada too and i have my Dat on Nov 7th. I just have a question... Do we need to take carving knife and scale or will they give us all the things needed for carving. what about blank papers for calculations? do they give us them or not?
I'm writing mine too! AH! I believe (don't quote me on this) that they give us everything... I would bring back ups just incase (ie pencils, erasers, paper, carving gear etc.) and worst case scenario you leave it with your bag.

GOOD LUCK!

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 Originally Posted by Mtd0588 I'm between D and E on the first one. I think it could be D because if you look at the shape from the top, you would see a square, with a square hole in the middle of it (the "shelf" in the middle does not extend all the way into the walls, creating a continuous square if looked directly from above). Although E also makes sense.. For the second one, I think the answer is C, because if you look at the structure directly from the front, the front and the back shapes seem to line up, leaving us with the outline of C. A and B show these two not lining up, but it appears that they do. E is incorrect because an end view of the structure should show the middle rectangle as higher than the other two sandwiching it. Hope this helps.. let me know if you see flaw in my logic
I think the first one is E. In order for it to be D it would probably have to be more rectangular shaped.

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 Originally Posted by 113zami http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...13zami/tfe.jpg I have a question, the answer in this image is C but can you tell me how can you tell that its not D, ie how can you tell that that line should be solid and not dotted?? thanks
It cannot be C. It's D, because the second dashed line from the top down on D is the far left edge where the 2 top and bottom slopes meet in the FRONT view. In order for it to be solid in C in END view, it implies there is some width changes where the solid would be which is not the case. Anyone agree?

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I printed and cut this shape out but cannot get it to fold into D. I think there's some mistake in the drawing somewhere. Anyone else tried it?

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