Trouble on the EM Horizon - III

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Here’s the latest installment of my series of threads on ill conceived and just downright *****ic policies that EPs will be suffering under in the near future. To recap I’ve addressed deferral of care policies:

Trouble on the EM Horizon-Deferral of Care

(Here’s what ACEP says about these policies BTW)

And CMS’s program to render antibiotics ineffective and over beta block bogus chest pain patients AKA “Core Measures.”

More Trouble on the EM Horizon-"Core Measures"

The latest bolus of abject stupidity is called HCAHPS. This is a program to link reimbursement to patient satisfaction.

CMS's info on HCAHPS

Most of us already labor under some degree of obligation to patient satisfaction surveys via Press-Ganey or Gallup or similar consultants. Many EPs have their contract renewals linked formally or informally to these scores. In other words most of us already have incentives to satisfy patients beyond the desire to practice good medicine and take good care of the legitimately emergent patients. HCAHPS will actually link EP pay to these scores for all CMS patients with private insurers to follow.

“Patient satisfaction” in terms of Emergency Medicine is a very problematic concept. While at face value care that satisfies the patient would seem to be an admirable goal that ideal is fraught with problems. Patients who are denied antibiotics for viral illnesses or denied inappropriate services via the ED such as completion of work comp forms and disability documents will be unsatisfied. Patient held due to lack of capacity such as those who are intoxicated or mentally ill will not be satisfied. The list of patients who will be unhappy with their appropriate care is long.

Another problem with HCAHPS is that it will be hospital wide and will not separate the ED experience from the inpatient experience. There will only be one survey that asks the patient how they felt about various aspects of their experience during the whole hospital stay. This is a crucial concept and fatal flaw of the program in that the only patients who will be evaluating the ED alone are those who were discharged. Thus the acute MI patient who received excellent care and went to the cath lab in 18 minutes will not evaluate the ED. The intubated patient won’t even remember the ED. Rather it will be the patient who stubbed his toe and felt a 30 minute wait to see the doctor was too long and then didn’t get the X-ray he wanted because it wasn’t indicated will be the one rating the ED. The back pain who wanted to be admitted on a Demerol drip and was sent home with Motrin will be the one rating the ED and determining the EP’s pay.

Ultimately my main problem with this program is that its goals are ill conceived. The ED is already the preferred place for patients to go because it is free, fast, has the full array of diagnostics not available in a PMD’s office and, let’s face it, so many people just have no access to primary care at all. We as EPs are given the job of trying to educate these patients about the proper use of the ED and the proper venue for their primary care issues. We all know this to be a difficult task. Now we are given the absolutely contradictory goal of trying to make the ED an even more inviting and satisfying place for patients. It is just not what medicine as a system needs right now.

Beyond the erroneous thinking that has led to this urge to make the ED warm and fuzzy is the fact that it will cause bad medicine. Under the gun of making patients satisfied at all costs or taking a pay cut how many docs will refuse the inappropriate antibiotics or narcotics or diagnostics? Clearly this program will make satisfaction paramount over the goals of education and evidence based medicine.

Since the aim of this program is so far off the mark people who actually work in the system might start to wonder what CMS could possibly be thinking. There is no real mystery. For CMS this is a cost savings program. The deal is that if you do well in this *****ic charade you don’t get a pay cut. If you don’t you get cut. So someone is going to be at the low end of the curve and will get cut which means, presto, savings for CMS.

Like many of the “innovations” we’ve been subjected to in recent years this HCAHPS program is a bad idea at the wrong time. And like the rest of these “innovations” those of us who actually work in the system will be dealing with the fallout and unintended consequences for years to come.

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Yep, refuse to give the irate mother antibiotics for her kid's viral URI or the narc seeker a script for OxyContin and you'll suffer the wrath of the Press-Ganey score, or now your reimbursement.

Crap, while I'm at it, I might as well ask my patients if they would like a free script for Viagra, medical marijuana, and just go ahead and offer a free foot rub for a good patient satisfaction score.
 
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Like many of the “innovations” we’ve been subjected to in recent years this HCAHPS program is a bad idea at the wrong time. And like the rest of these “innovations” those of us who actually work in the system will be dealing with the fallout and unintended consequences for years to come.

Wonder if someone can get the DEA involved in this on our side, because it's not going to take long for the drug seekers to realize that EPs, having their hands tied in this fashion, will be giving out narcs to keep from being fired because of bad customer satisfaction scores by said drug seekers.
 
I'm reading this stuff and trying to see if it's actually April 1 ... Is this for real?

This whole concept of "patient satisfaction" is a load of bull**** to me. DocB already suggested how surverying ED patients is fraught with peril (expeditiously treated MI vs. drug seekiing LBP).

At the risk of sounding callous, who really cares if every ED patient (or even a majority) are completely "satisfied" with their care? All of us have worked busy shifts where every patient had to wait a long time. All of us have been in the situation where all non-critical work must be suspended when multiple critically ill people come rolling in.

The larger issue is whether or not patients are sophisticated customers -- they are not. Even among the brightest and most well educated few understand how the entire system works and still fewer understand the intricacies of emergency care. The opinions of unsophisticated customers on the "service" they received are meaningless.
 
Yep, refuse to give the irate mother antibiotics for her kid's viral URI or the narc seeker a script for OxyContin and you'll suffer the wrath of the Press-Ganey score, or now your reimbursement.

Crap, while I'm at it, I might as well ask my patients if they would like a free script for Viagra, medical marijuana, and just go ahead and offer a free foot rub for a good patient satisfaction score.

Airway
Breathing
Circulation
Disability
Exposure
Footrub
 
What's even worse is that the PG surveys are only sent to discharged patients. So all those admitted pts that you spent a lot of time with talking to them and family, and are generally happier won't even get the surveys....
 
What's even worse is that the PG surveys are only sent to discharged patients. So all those admitted pts that you spent a lot of time with talking to them and family, and are generally happier won't even get the surveys....

Did CMS even account for differences among ED-discharged and admitted patients?

Did they do enough research on the appropriateness of the PG survey in the ED setting? The answer seems like NO.

I just did a quick search on pubmed. There were 46 articles with "Press Ganey", but only 3 articles with the criteria "Press Ganey" and "emergency," and one was by the Press Ganey Associates.

Also, is CMS planning to account for the differences in PG ratings among chief complaints or diagnoses? And more importantly, link reimbursement to satisfaction compared to avg ratings in the appropriate subgroups vs. the entire pt population? This would hopefully address the issue raised about average low ratings for the drug seeker vs. the higher average rating for say, the asthma exacerbation pts that can be treated in the ED.

From Gesell and Wolosin, Inpatients' ratings of care in 5 common clinical conditions. Qual Manag Hlth Care, 2004 Oct-Dec;13(4):222-7:

RESULTS: Patients hospitalized for different clinical conditions expressed different levels of satisfaction. There may be different care needs, expectations, and evaluations of care based on these clinical conditions. However, it is probable that an all-encompassing patient-centered focus would improve care for all of these groups.
 
Airway
Breathing
Circulation
Disability
Exposure
Footrub
:laugh:

ABX for all
Budweiser for the EtOh pts
oxyContin? comin' right up...
Dilaudid? you got it!
Emergency care? Eh, you're unresponsive, you're not going to remember how you were treated here...
Footrub (I learn something new everyday...might I add some Eucerin cream?)
 
:laugh:

ABX for all
Budweiser for the EtOh pts
oxyContin? comin' right up...
Dilaudid? you got it!
Emergency care? Eh, you're unresponsive, you're not going to remember how you were treated here...
Footrub (I learn something new everyday...might I add some Eucerin cream?)

I'd also suggest hot lasagna with a side of garlic bread for the hungry malingerer instead of a cold ham and cheese with milk. The satisfaction will be through the roof....
 
On an actual serious note, this might mean you should spend an extra few minutes that you don't have communicating with patients and updating them on their plans.:p communication = customer satisfaction.
 
On an actual serious note, this might mean you should spend an extra few minutes that you don't have communicating with patients and updating them on their plans.:p communication = customer satisfaction.

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On an actual serious note, this might mean you should spend an extra few minutes that you don't have communicating with patients and updating them on their plans.:p communication = customer satisfaction.

Not a bad point in general, but when you update them that the plan is to include no antibiotics for their kid's viral URI, no oxys for their 10/10 knee pain, or no work comp forms filled out then ...

communication =/= customer satisfaction.
 
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They just started this nonsense at my residency, and want to link the press-ganey scores to individual residents, and then counsel "problem residents" how to improve their "customer service".

I have a huge objection to the term "customer". This is not Wal-Mart, and these are not customers, they are patients. I have to decide who gets priority, who gets intubated, who gets the million dollar workup. Healthcare has never been, and should never be "customer-driven".
 
On an actual serious note, this might mean you should spend an extra few minutes that you don't have communicating with patients and updating them on their plans.:p communication = customer satisfaction.

I sure do miss that good old med student optimism....give it a couple years of residency, or less, and let the realism set in. :(
 
I hear what you guys are saying, but if providers in the ED are seeing a similar mix of patients, then wouldn't they have similar scores? Everyone would get bad marks from the drug seekers and the difference in scores would be due to how the patients are treated. That's how I'm understanding it, but feel free to correct this.
 
Not a bad point in general, but when you update them that the plan is to include no antibiotics for their kid's viral URI, no oxys for their 10/10 knee pain, or no work comp forms filled out then ...

communication =/= customer satisfaction.

Eh, perhaps i should say increasing communication = increasing customer satisfaction. Doesn't make it automatic, but I've seen studies that do show a correlation. Let me know if you want me to look them up. They're referenced on my flash drive. Example: I d/c'd a FM+sciatica patient without giving opiates or valium. She wasn't happy with the service at all, but she was still happy with me and her negative overall scores would certainly be worse if she hadn't felt listened to.

Of course, I said time you don't have. I'm an MS4, so I had time to really talk to her. There is no way in hell I'm gonna be able to do what I did as a resident or attending on a normal day :laugh: So what to do? Pay med students to sit around and chat with patients:D

And to whoever remarked on med student optimism: it's still not nearly as bad as pre-med optimism, you've gotta admit.;)
 
Of course, I said time you don't have. I'm an MS4, so I had time to really talk to her. There is no way in hell I'm gonna be able to do what I did as a resident or attending on a normal day :laugh: So what to do? Pay med students to sit around and chat with patients:D

Our current healthcare system seems to require 2 minutes of documentation time for every 1 minute of patient care time.

Patient care would be so much better without the need to practice defensive medicine, the need to document so much, and less hassle in reimbursement requirements where the formula for payment seems to be 5 history components + 8 physical exam components divided by pie multiplied by the square root of your hourly salary.

Seriously, imagine what kind of care we could provide if we had more time with patients? Where documentation focused on letting other providers know what we did instead of documenting so a jury wouldn't find us liable? Where reimbursements do not require a complicated documentation system?
 
They just started this nonsense at my residency, and want to link the press-ganey scores to individual residents, and then counsel "problem residents" how to improve their "customer service".

I have a huge objection to the term "customer". This is not Wal-Mart, and these are not customers, they are patients. I have to decide who gets priority, who gets intubated, who gets the million dollar workup. Healthcare has never been, and should never be "customer-driven".

It's all part of the larger (and growing, and idiotic) culture of 360 degree evaluation. Everyone gets a chance to tell you anonymously what they think of you. Most people put almost no thought into their evaluations.

Just think of all the "professionalism" BS we have to deal with. Does anyone really think that unprofessional medical students and physicians are identified and dealt with because the secretary was only able to check off 3/5 of their competancies?

It's just all so silly. Most of us are reasonable, appropriately compassionate people and should be given the benefit of the doubt. The onus should not be on us prove ourselves over and over again but on our superiors to identify those of us that are out of line.

This idea of "customer satisfaction" in emergency care is particularly pernicious and stupid because as other have already pointed out a patient's characterization as a customer is inversely proportional to the severity of their complaint. The customer with the knee pain x 3 years is going to be watching everythng like a very critical hawk. The customer who is having a massive intracranial hemmorage doesn't even know they're there.
 
I sure do miss that good old med student optimism....give it a couple years of residency, or less, and let the realism set in. :(

Every day I am glad to have entered med school with a more cynical outlook than many of my peers. My idealism (what there may be of it) doesn't have as far to fall.

Maybe it's because I'm older and had the optimism knocked out of me by the reality of real-life. :hardy:
 
I can't figure out why the hospital managment buys into the flawed concept of Press-Ganey surveys. Maybe it would apply to an outpatient elective surgery unit where patients demand flat screen TVs and massage, but it certainly should not be used in the acute care setting.
 
I can't figure out why the hospital managment buys into the flawed concept of Press-Ganey surveys. Maybe it would apply to an outpatient elective surgery unit where patients demand flat screen TVs and massage, but it certainly should not be used in the acute care setting.
Hospital admin wants to make the insured patients satisfied with the idea that then they'll come back again and again. They oddly overlook the fact that we apply whatever we're doing across the board and that we'll be making the uninsureds just as "satisfied."
 
Hospital admin wants to make the insured patients satisfied with the idea that then they'll come back again and again. They oddly overlook the fact that we apply whatever we're doing across the board and that we'll be making the uninsureds just as "satisfied."

Why don't they include the survey then with the receipt patients get once their account has been paid in full? At discharge, if a patient pays in full, they get a survey. That way administration is able to see what the paying patients actually want.
 
Why don't they include the survey then with the receipt patients get once their account has been paid in full? At discharge, if a patient pays in full, they get a survey. That way administration is able to see what the paying patients actually want.

The way Press-Ganey conducts the surveys is done so that they are self-supporting. Of course they send surveys to drug seekers, un-insured, and generally the disgruntled people. Press-Ganey WANTS hospitals to receive bad scores, so that it justifies what they do.

Our hospital had 80% Good-Very good ratings, yet we are in the bottom 15% of hospitals. Grade inflation?
 
Why don't they include the survey then with the receipt patients get once their account has been paid in full? At discharge, if a patient pays in full, they get a survey. That way administration is able to see what the paying patients actually want.
Administration is motivated by money or cost reduction. You'd have to link non-paying customers with costly changes that were made to in order to improve survey scores. So unless payment status is listed along with the surveys, you'd have to add it in (may be difficult) or link it to billing/collections (not possible with anonymous surveys). You'd also have to figure out a cost associated with these changes (TVs in waiting rooms, more staff, etc.)

This assumes that nobody comes down on you for discriminating against freeloaders and favoring the rich. :rolleyes:
 
On an actual serious note, this might mean you should spend an extra few minutes that you don't have communicating with patients and updating them on their plans.:p communication = customer satisfaction.

And then you get sucked into a vortex of doom once you tell them what they don't want to hear (e.g. "No narcotics for you!")

Communication is important but it does not always equal customer satifaction. Sometimes it equals a stat call for security.
 
And then you get sucked into a vortex of doom once you tell them what they don't want to hear (e.g. "No narcotics for you!")

Communication is important but it does not always equal customer satifaction. Sometimes it equals a stat call for security.

Exactly correct. ED "customers" can be divided into four groups:

1. Emergent (like MVA, cardiac arrest, chest pain, lacerations"
2. Uninsured seeking primary care
3. Insured who want to be treated at their convenience
4. Malingerers who want drugs and/or attention.

If they sent surveys to only groups 1 and 2 I would have no objection. It's groups 3 and 4 that are the problem.
 
The way Press-Ganey conducts the surveys is done so that they are self-supporting. Of course they send surveys to drug seekers, un-insured, and generally the disgruntled people. Press-Ganey WANTS hospitals to receive bad scores, so that it justifies what they do.

Our hospital had 80% Good-Very good ratings, yet we are in the bottom 15% of hospitals. Grade inflation?
Remember that the Gallup and Press-Ganey stuff can be done how ever you like because you or your hospital are doing it. One of the really insidious things about this HCAHPS mess is that it's CMS that's doing it. So to recap a single entity will be rating you and then determining how much to reimburse you based on their internal ratings. Yet another reason why getting reimbursed for work you already did is a bad business model.
 
Ok, dont' worry, this med student is now one step closer to being a cynic. Almost yelled at two patients who wouldn't stop complaining, moving, whatnot while i'm trying to stitch them up. I felt bad for them, but still:mad: No the cop said he wasn't going to move your handcuff so you could stretch out, so stop asking and stop getting up with the needle in your scalp. Glad the rest of my patients were nice.
 
Ok, dont' worry, this med student is now one step closer to being a cynic. Almost yelled at two patients who wouldn't stop complaining, moving, whatnot while i'm trying to stitch them up. I felt bad for them, but still:mad: No the cop said he wasn't going to move your handcuff so you could stretch out, so stop asking and stop getting up with the needle in your scalp. Glad the rest of my patients were nice.

I bet those patients will get surveys....
 
Ok, dont' worry, this med student is now one step closer to being a cynic. Almost yelled at two patients who wouldn't stop complaining, moving, whatnot while i'm trying to stitch them up. I felt bad for them, but still:mad: No the cop said he wasn't going to move your handcuff so you could stretch out, so stop asking and stop getting up with the needle in your scalp. Glad the rest of my patients were nice.

Haha sucker med student! Ever hear of staples?
 
Haha sucker med student! Ever hear of staples?

Hey, I needed the practice, and they were in the upper forehead =p Still, he wasn't very appreciative of my efforts to reduce his future scarring.
 
Hey, I needed the practice, and they were in the upper forehead =p Still, he wasn't very appreciative of my efforts to reduce his future scarring.

People who are not appreciative of the person sewing them up tend to be people for whom scarring is not a huge worry.

I love it when someone comes in drunk or stoned with a nice lac and then proceeds to pass out. When I was working in an ED where M3s rotated and I'd usually go grab one and say, "have you suture before? No? Well here's your guy."
 
People who are not appreciative of the person sewing them up tend to be people for whom scarring is not a huge worry.

I love it when someone comes in drunk or stoned with a nice lac and then proceeds to pass out. When I was working in an ED where M3s rotated and I'd usually go grab one and say, "have you suture before? No? Well here's your guy."

I always send the med students to do lac repairs on the faces of drunk people. They have to get practice somehow. I'd rather they learn on them, than on the 16 year old with a sports injury.
 
One of the findings of the article below was that admitted patients are generally less satisfied. Just thought it was interesting.

Patient Satisfaction as a Function of ED Pre-visit Expectations Triner et al, ACAD EMERG MED 2007


What's even worse is that the PG surveys are only sent to discharged patients. So all those admitted pts that you spent a lot of time with talking to them and family, and are generally happier won't even get the surveys....
 
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