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I. This first list below applies only to MD schools. Some of the courses that many students are confused about are italicized: Biology (BIOL) - BCPM 1.Anatomy 2.Biology 3.Biophysics 4.Biotechnology 5.Botany 6.Cell Biology 7.Ecology 8.Entomology 9.Genetics 10.Histology 11.Immunology 12.Microbiology 13.Molecular Biology 14.Neuroscience 15.Physiology Chemistry (CHEM) - BCPM 1.Biochemistry 2.Chemistry 3.Physical Chemistry 4.Thermodynamics Math (MATH) - BCPM 1.Applied Mathematics 2.Mathematics 3.Statistics Physics (PHYS) - BCPM 1.Astronomy 2.Physics Everything else below is NON-BCPM. Behavioral & Social Sciences (BESS) 1.Anthropology 2.Economics 3.Family Studies 4.Psychology 5.Sociology Computer Science/Technology (COMP) 1.Computer Science 2.Computer Engineering 3.Information Systems 4.Telecommunications Engineering (ENGI) 1.Aerospace Engineering 2.Biomedical Engineering 3.Chemical Engineering 4.Civil Engineering 5.Electrical Engineering 6.Engineering 7.Environmental Engineering 8.Mechanical Engineering 9.Nuclear Engineering Health Sciences (HEAL) 1.Allied Health 2.Chiropractic 3.Dentistry 4.Hearing & Speech Sciences 5.Hospital Administration 6.Kinesiology 7.Medical Technology 8.Medicine 9.Nursing 10.Nutrition & Food Sciences 11.Occupational Therapy 12.Optometry 13.Osteopathy 14.Physical Therapy 15.Physician Assistant 16.Public Health 17.Pharmacology & Pharmacy 18.Sports Medicine 19.Veterinary Medicine Natural/Physical Sciences (NPSC) 1.Agriculture 2.Animal and Avian Sciences 3.Forestry 4.Geography 5.Geology 6.Horticulture 7.Landscape Architecture 8.Meteorology 9.Natural Resources 10.Oceanography 11.Environmental Science & Policy Business (BUSI) 1.Accounting 2.Business 3.Finance 4.Human Resource Studies 5.Management 6.Organizational Studies 7.Marketing Communications (COMM) 1.Journalism 2.Media Production & Studies 3.TV, Video, & Audio Education (EDUC) 1.Counseling & Personnel Services 2.Curriculum & Instruction 3.Educational Policy 4.Educational Administration 5.Health Education 6.Human Development 7.Physical Education (except for sports courses such as tennis, 8.golf, aerobics, etc. Use Other for these types of courses.) 9.Special Education English Language & Literature (ENGL) 1.English Composition & Rhetoric 2.English Creative Writing 3.English Language & Literature Fine Arts (ARTS) 1.Art 2.Art History 3.Dance 4.Fine Arts 5.Music 6.Photography 7.Theatre History (HIST) 1.History Foreign Languages/Linguistics/Lit. (FLAN) 1.American Sign Language 2.Comparative Literature 3.Linguistics 4.Foreign Language(s) & Literature Government/Political Sci/Law (GOVT) 1.Criminology & Criminal Justice 2.Government 3.International Relations & Studies 4.Law/Legal Studies 5.Political Science 6.Public Affairs & Policy 7.Urban Policy & Planning Philosophy/Religion (PHIL) 1.Ethics 2.Logic 3.Philosophy 4.Religion 5.Theology Special Studies (SSTU) 1.Afro-American Studies 2.American Studies 3.Gender Studies Other (OTHR) All courses which do not fit appropriately into another category, including: 1.Architecture 2.Interdisciplinary courses 3.Library Science 4.Military Science 5.Sports (tennis, golf, aerobics, etc.) __________________________________________________ __________________________________________ II. DO schools have very different "BCPM" requirements from MD schools and the name is simply scienceGPA (sciGPA), rather than BCPM. Refer to this thread for more information. Here is a the complete DO list, with some of the major differences from MD schools italicized: Bio/Zoology - sciGPA
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Aut viam inveniam aut faciam. Hannibal Last edited by Excelsius; 01-02-2009 at 02:21 AM. Reason: Expanded to include DO science GPA requirements. |
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What do you think about a course that was listed as anatomy, but offered through the Anthropology Department?
I am pretty pissed about Pharm./Tox. not "counting". |
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Thanks for the list, I never really understood how they choose the BPCM until now.
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Thanks for posting the list. Pharmacology's not BCPM huh?
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I think that it will not be BCPM. I read somewhere that it is important which department offers the given class. It will probably be considered part of anthropology. If the course title says only "anatomy," then I am not sure. You can call AMCAS to find out.
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It shouldn't matter what department offers the class...it matters what material was actually taught in the class... some people have had psych class count b/c they had a lot of neuroscience in them...it's not a hard and fast rule that only course offered in biology chemistry, physics and math count...you need to look at the description and content. |
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What about Foundations of Public Health Immunology and Survey of Human Diseases? They are both listed as Health Science courses, but Immunology is listed under BCMP, and I'm not sure about Human Diseases. They were extensively science based, involving a high level of detail, but I'm not sure if they will pass as BCMP. Any thoughts are appreciated, thanks!
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I'd be curious as well to know how they determine what the "content" is? The title isn't that descriptive, and I doubt they take the time to call schools and see what's up.
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if you think your class was a science class then classify it as BCPM... they'll either leave it like that or change it...but if you want to know how they make that decision you should probably call.. |
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organic chemistry is not counted ?!
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under BCPM*
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anyone think my Geography: Weather and Climate class will count? If not, sweet!
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Doubtful. For DO schools it might tho.
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I am so confused about the biomedical engineering thing. I realize that it is in italics, so that they strictly forbid it as counting for BCPM. But what about a year long "systems physiology" class that, in reality, had no engineering component whatsoever and was just a very in depth physiology course (and in fact used many of the same texts employed by physiology classes in the bio department)? Given I got an A in these classes, so I am biased and would like to include it in the sGPA, but it really is not all that clear.
Or what about a class in the EECS department called "mathematical foundations of computer science"; it is listed as an engineering class, but involved pure mathematical rigor that was actually more intense than any classes I have taken in the math department. Again this class did not involve anything characteristic of engineering. The line between engi/non-engi is so unclear sometimes. |
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Other Science Agricultural Science Astronomy Chiropractic Electronics Engineering Epidemiology Geology Kinesiology Medical Technology Meteorology Nutrition Pharmacy Physical Anthropology Physical Geography Physical Science Physician Assistant Radiology EDIT: Another difference between DO and MD science GPAs is that DOs don't count math towards the science GPA. The MD schools do. Last edited by RySerr21; 12-31-2008 at 07:46 PM. |
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Look at the last section, entitled "GPA and Credit Hour Computations." It gives a nice summary of what's included in which GPAs.
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My school offers a wide variety of courses under the 'Genetics' department. Safe to assume all of these can be counted towards BCPM?
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So for DO application science GPA, Introduction to Engineering, is included? Even though the class did nothing engineering or science related. We drew block letters and discussed what engineers do/classes to take ect.
Thanks CB I saw your post after I asked this! |
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![]() They don't look at the course description--just the title. It's kinda like how a Bio Seminar class might just mean you talked about professional stuff, like future jobs, etc., but would be included in your AMCAS BCPM or AACOMAS sciGPA, anyway. There are lots of classes that aren't really technical and probably shouldn't count as "science" or BCPM, but it would take far more time for the application services to hash out these details during verification. |
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Quick question, can anyone help me?
I’m a transfer student and I took some elementary science classes (such as trig, pre-calc, basic physics and basic gen chem.) which were non-transferable to the University but they do appear on my CC transcript. Should I still include them on my BCPM and overall GPA? Thanks! |
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Ok, so what about research in pharmacology? My school bases the efforts on the A/B/C etc. grading system. Does this really mean that four quarters of As are just subjected to only my overall GPA? ugh..
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thanks Excelsius, for posting the list, by the way. it's a huge help! |
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I wish there was a way to make two columns of data so that it wasn't necessary to scroll down so much to see the entire list. I tried using html code, but it seems that the interface doesn't support it. I hope in the future we have a feature like that available. Right now the only workaround is posting the data in picture format (from another website), but that won't allow the list to be copied as text. |
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You're right. I was just stuck with BCPM and completely forgot that the "M" actually stands for math, which is not science under AACOMAS! The list is changed now.
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Thanks for the BCPM listing, it's great!!!
However, I'm confused, isn't Calculus 1,2,3 and Differential Equations categorized as Math? Also is Physics 1&2 (with Calculus) and Statics and dynamics included under Physics, if not I regrettably I to recalculate my gpa downwards ![]() ![]()
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The list is only a general guideline. You will have classes that fall in certain categories that aren't explicitly listed. For example, I had a bunch of forensic science courses (microscopy, serology, scientific crime scene investigation) that I listed as Biology, and I didn't have a problem with any of them. Just list the courses where you think they fit best and AMCAS will adjust if needed.
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Thanks chad5871 for the information. I am quite relieved..
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I took a course called BIOL 402 - Human Pathology. Is that a science? I notice its not a subject on the list.
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Since this has come up a few times, I thought I'd address this. When you look at the list, you'll notice that the titles are pretty generic. For example, for biology it specifically says BIOLOGY on top. That means that it is safe to assume that any course being taught under BIO is going to be BCPM. I doubt that they will even check the description of the course if it says BIO right in the title – this is why a course like History of Biology will likely count as BCPM if you list it as such. There are a lot of different types of biology classes and it would be impossible for AMCAS to list every single possible permutation. This also applies to all the other BCPM categories. Finally, there are some borderline courses that really do not fit into any of these categories. Your only answer then will lie with AMCAS – you either have to call them or wait until your application is verified. If everyone reports the AMCAS classification of borderline courses here, then we’ll soon have a comprehensive list of that as well. Meanwhile, if you have a course where you got an A and are not sure if that’s BCPM, just list it under BCPM. You have nothing to lose and a lot to gain if it works out. I have seen an example of a course where someone reported it as BCPM and it was accepted and another person reported almost the same course as non-BCPM and it was accepted too. So your BCPM is partly based on your judgment as well. |
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Put "borderline" courses where you think they fit the best. I listed courses like "Scientific Crime Scene Investigation," "Forensic Microscopy," and "Introduction to the Life Sciences" as Biology, and they didn't change any of them.
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...........oppps
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