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Originally Posted by BavarianMWE46

I think pharmacists starting salaries, retail especially, could fall to around $50K - $60K.

I don't think the salary will be lowered that much but it will just remain flat and won't keep up with inflation.
The significant decrease in pay will cause sharp drop in pharmacy enrollment, especially with private schools with tuition >$100,000 and dissatisfaction of currently employed pharmacist. Unless the tuition is lowered to compensate for risk of unemployment and lowered salary, the decreased supply is not profitable for chains. Therefore, they will keep the salary high enough to lure more people in and satisfy current employees. It will be either 2 choices 1)$100,000 or 2)unemployed. I don't think the salary will fall down that much.

Originally Posted by BavarianMWE46

Argumentum ad hominem. I don't have to be a pharmacy student to have valuable experience in the pharmacy field. What school do you go to?

Everything goes in cycles of boom and bust. Humans are too stupid and too greedy to do it any other way. Dot com bubble - bust, real estate bubble - bust, education bubble fueled by easy access to enormous students loans == ??? There are lots of people making big money in this process. Short term gain is better than long term stability, as long as you are the one getting screwed over and not me.

The boom in pharmacy school creation will continue until applicants feel it is not worth their time and debt to attend pharmacy school. Then it will cool down for a while.

A school that's been around for 82 years... with 1200 applicants for 160 seats this past cycle... that serves the entire eastern half of a state... that pushes students to know everything...
Why do you ask? What did you expect... a diploma mill?

Sure. Everything goes in cycles, but to equate what has happened to other professionals to what will happen to pharmacists is fallacious.

Originally Posted by RNtoPharmD

I don't think the salary will be lowered that much but it will just remain flat and won't keep up with inflation.
The significant decrease in pay will cause sharp drop in pharmacy enrollment, especially with private schools with tuition >$100,000 and dissatisfaction of currently employed pharmacist. Unless the tuition is lowered to compensate for risk of unemployment and lowered salary, the decreased supply is not profitable for chains. Therefore, they will keep the salary high enough to lure more people in and satisfy current employees. It will be either 2 choices 1)$100,000 or 2)unemployed. I don't think the salary will fall down that much.

Thank you! Somebody has it right... although it may not fall but stagnate instead.

Originally Posted by bigpharmD

I just dont think everyone should have to do a residency if they dont want to....it should be an option

i am not gonna get in flame war....look at the job post link i put up...the pay there is way more than retail for many of those positions and to me worth the "half pay 2 year scam"...look at the requirements....

I skimmed the first 15 or so jobs and did not see salary information listed. Most say this " Compensation for this salaried, full-time position include a competitive salary, full benefits package, sign-on bonus, and loan repayment options."

For the first job listed here are the requirements "We have an immediate opportunity for a TX-licensed Clinical Pharmacist. A Doctor of Pharmacy degree (PharmD), residency, and/or experience in Oncology/Hematology are preferred. Board Certification in Oncology Pharmacy practice is a plus. We also welcome highly motivated professionals who want to further their specialization or to enter this fascinating and expanding field.

Ruth S. Maxson, RPh
Infusion Pharmacy Manager

Dear god look who is the manager....an Rph?!?!? How can this be?!?!? She doesn't even have a PharmD so she likely does not have a residency. Surely that must be a mistake!!!! A pharmacist without a PharmD and a residency should be staffing the drive through ringing up Dorritios at Walgreens not managing an infusion clinic. How will the wiz bang PharmD with a residency ever be able to work under such a poorly qualified person?

Originally Posted by NormalSaline

Thats definitely a huge consideration, but I think school fatigue is also a big issue.

Many of my classmates are 23-24 and have been in school for as long as they can remember. At what point do you get to start enjoying the benefits of your hard work?

Many of my friends are done with their undergrad degrees and are out of school making 40k/yr. They are living in nice places, driving nice cars, going out and doing a lot of fun things. Its hard to see all that and then come back to school, my 12 year old car and my boring librarycentric lifestyle. It honestly makes retail look pretty appealing right out of school.

You're right! I live in an apartment, drive a car that needs repairs, work for peanuts, and neglect certain health issues that would improve my quality of life if they were resolved. *sigh* *sigh*

I've been in school for 7 years now, too, and it will total 8 years whenever I graduate and can work on my own full-time for the first time!

I'll be 25 on Sunday, and I'm going to a festival to celebrate! I've missed the festival every single year because of end-of-the-semester exams and then subsequent finals...

Originally Posted by prevacid

yea i have a program on my phone that does it, all u do is put the numbers in

however, this dude couldnt even tell me ONE variable

ive talked to preceptors, and they are appaled at the lack of knowledge some of these new school students have

Every damn pt case we have...calculate CrCl. EVERY. CASE.

I guess that's a good thing, not that I'm really complaining...it's just funny. Right before our case is handed out, we all look at each other, smile, and go, "quick...CrCl, go!" and blurt out the equation.

Somehow I always forget the final unit (mL/min) but know whether it's normal or ESRD.

I had a case this morning, this is fresh in my mind, sorry if I'm boring y'all.

Originally Posted by Priapism321

Anyone with 3 years experience can be a lead author in Chest......NOT. Pharmacists and physicians with 20 years experience page this guy on a daily basis on issues pertaining to patients with life threatening conditions.

Okay, what does that have to do with the current discussion? They are not paging him because he is a new graduate who just completed a residency. They are paging him because of his EXPERIENCE.

This is copied from his bio on the University of Arizona College of Pharmacy website. By you posting this you have helped me prove my point. This guy is an expert not because of a residency or even a PharmD. For christ sake he had a BS from South Dakota State and didn't get a PharmD untill 1987. My point is this. An intelligent, motivated pharmacist can achieve the same thing residency or not. Thats how this guy did it.

Education:
BS, South Dakota State University, 1976
PharmD, University of Arizona, 1987

I thought this was interesting. He is the lead author but there are also 5 nurses and 3 doctors listed as well.

Brian L. Erstad, PharmD*, Kathleen Puntillo, RN, CNS, DNSc, Hugh C. Gilbert, MD, Mary Jo Grap, PhD, RN, Denise Li, PhD, RN, CNS, Justine Medina, RN, MS, Richard A. Mularski, MD, MSHS, MCR, FCCP, Chris Pasero, MS, RN-BC, Basil Varkey, MD, FCCP and Curtis N. Sessler, MD, FCCP

Originally Posted by PharmDstudent

You're right! I live in an apartment, drive a car that needs repairs, work for peanuts, and neglect certain health issues that would improve my quality of life if they were resolved. *sigh* *sigh*

You think you got it bad...I ride the bus, it smells like piss. At least I get paid in doughnuts (my preceptor gave me a box at the end of my IPPE) which are worth a little more than peanuts.

Originally Posted by bigpharmD

So im in student presentations today...one student from a Joe schmo school stands up.....he tells us that ceftriaxone is renally adjusted and dose q12 (not for meningitis), augmentin is given IV, 2 other drugs (for BP) are used to kill bacteria...graduation is in may and they will have a doctorate....this is scary my friends....I am good at my job and enjoy it....if it were not for that I would be switching careers because things are not going in the right direction

well...i'd forgive the rocephin dosing thing. Kids that aren't used to seeing IV abx being used probably aren't as privy to how it is usually dosed.

Originally Posted by confettiflyer

You think you got it bad...I ride the bus, it smells like piss. At least I get paid in doughnuts (my preceptor gave me a box at the end of my IPPE) which are worth a little more than peanuts.

Well... ... it smells like sewage (an open sewer) everywhere in this city! I had to stop parking on one side of campus, because it kept interrupting my breakfast.

My landlord is a cheap wad, so I've been paying for this hot water heater drip for 2 years now. There are cracks in my hardwood floors that I can see the ground through. Beat that sucker!!!

Originally Posted by PharmDstudent

Well... ... it smells like sewage (an open sewer) everywhere in this city! I had to stop parking on one side of campus, because it kept interrupting my breakfast.

My landlord is a cheap wad, so I've been paying for this hot water heater drip for 2 years now. There are cracks in my hardwood floors that I can see the ground through. Beat that sucker!!!

I live in Philadelphia. Done.

Originally Posted by bigpharmD

p...the pay there is way more than retail for many of those positions and to me worth the "half pay 2 year scam"...

It is a scam. And I'll tell you why. Of ALL of the varied paths you can choose, clinical specialist is the only one that forces a person to work one to two years as an apprentice for **** pay. Want to be a nuclear pharmacist...you get paid full wage to train...pharmacy director...you can work for Cardinal in their director training program for a year and get full pay as you train.

It's a scam because those that hire clinical specialists are trading a facade of prestige for having to pay their collective trainees less money. Residencies should pay full salary...and everyone that is doing them is getting played by the collection of academics that run them. I'm not saying that people should or sholdn't do them...if you want to be a clinical specialist...if that's what really, really interests you...you pretty much have to...I'm just saying it must be complete balls that the one thing in the entire realm of pharmacy you are the most interested in treats you like an apprentice for a year or two. It's bull****.

Thankfully, I have zero interest in being a clinical specialist, so I'm not subject to this ridiculous system. I'm gonna get an MBA and work for Zpak...

I'll elaborate. I'm accosted by homeless people that smell like piss that's been in an oven all day. This city has the most pissed off "minimum wage" workers I have ever encountered, they're like effing zombies that love to be miserable. I get funny looks when I'm in the subway dressed up for IPPE because I'm not black, sorry folks.

People from Jersey don't know how to drive while they're in this city. It's got the most useless/dirty public transportation system on earth. When you bring a car, it'll have its airbag jacked and/or keyed....twice in 3 months.

The smoking rate here is sky high, can't wait til these people get cancer and die.

Half the city looks like eastern europe during the cold war. I think this city has a record # of abandoned buildings 2nd only to Detroit.

My girlfriend pays DOUBLE the income tax as she did in California. I did the math, it's retarded. This city charges a "wage tax" and I don't see a dime of it at work. Funny thing is...a pharmacist living in the city here would pay roughly the same in income tax as California. Funny how that works.

So, in short...I'm taxed double, paid less, AND I get to deal with the most ghetto/stupid public population ON EARTH.

I want to get my degree and get the eff out of here, this place will eat you alive and make you grumpy/bitter. I'm staying in my bubble and only associating with people that have to do with the success of my future degree and that's it. Patient population? Fine, that's actually fun.

Oh, and the Japanese food here is non-existent. The Japanese exchange student I was talking to the other day told me the closest good food was in "Noo York." At least it's cheap to go there.

Beat that

Originally Posted by confettiflyer

I'll elaborate. I'm accosted by homeless people that smell like piss that's been in an oven all day. This city has the most pissed off "minimum wage" workers I have ever encountered, they're like effing zombies that love to be miserable. I get funny looks when I'm in the subway dressed up for IPPE because I'm not black, sorry folks.

People from Jersey don't know how to drive while they're in this city. It's got the most useless/dirty public transportation system on earth. When you bring a car, it'll have its airbag jacked and/or keyed....twice in 3 months.

The smoking rate here is sky high, can't wait til these people get cancer and die.

Half the city looks like eastern europe during the cold war. I think this city has a record # of abandoned buildings 2nd only to Detroit.

My girlfriend pays DOUBLE the income tax as she did in California. I did the math, it's retarded. This city charges a "wage tax" and I don't see a dime of it at work. Funny thing is...a pharmacist living in the city here would pay roughly the same in income tax as California. Funny how that works.

So, in short...I'm taxed double, paid less, AND I get to deal with the most ghetto/stupid public population ON EARTH.

I want to get my degree and get the eff out of here, this place will eat you alive and make you grumpy/bitter. I'm staying in my bubble and only associating with people that have to do with the success of my future degree and that's it. Patient population? Fine, that's actually fun.

Oh, and the Japanese food here is non-existent. The Japanese exchange student I was talking to the other day told me the closest good food was in "Noo York." At least it's cheap to go there.

Beat that

Psssh, Philly is an awesome town. You just live near Broad Street. That's your first problem.

Originally Posted by confettiflyer

I'll elaborate. I'm accosted by homeless people that smell like piss that's been in an oven all day. This city has the most pissed off "minimum wage" workers I have ever encountered, they're like effing zombies that love to be miserable. I get funny looks when I'm in the subway dressed up for IPPE because I'm not black, sorry folks.

People from Jersey don't know how to drive while they're in this city. It's got the most useless/dirty public transportation system on earth. When you bring a car, it'll have its airbag jacked and/or keyed....twice in 3 months.

The smoking rate here is sky high, can't wait til these people get cancer and die.

Half the city looks like eastern europe during the cold war. I think this city has a record # of abandoned buildings 2nd only to Detroit.

My girlfriend pays DOUBLE the income tax as she did in California. I did the math, it's retarded. This city charges a "wage tax" and I don't see a dime of it at work. Funny thing is...a pharmacist living in the city here would pay roughly the same in income tax as California. Funny how that works.

So, in short...I'm taxed double, paid less, AND I get to deal with the most ghetto/stupid public population ON EARTH.

I want to get my degree and get the eff out of here, this place will eat you alive and make you grumpy/bitter. I'm staying in my bubble and only associating with people that have to do with the success of my future degree and that's it. Patient population? Fine, that's actually fun.

Oh, and the Japanese food here is non-existent. The Japanese exchange student I was talking to the other day told me the closest good food was in "Noo York." At least it's cheap to go there.

Beat that

How about gun shots?

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

Psssh, Philly is an awesome town. You just live near Broad Street. That's your first problem.

Ok ok south philly is a pretty cool place, at least I can hop on the subway and scoot down there for some grub.

But seriously, half this city needs to be leveled by a 9+ earthquake. No wonder other countries are so much nicer....we bombed the hell out of them and they rebuilt with better technology.

I was just thinking what I'd do if I got matched to a residency here (if I go that route). I think I'd be glad AND pissed at the same time. I should just move to the 'burbs...ghetto people can't really afford the train fare

Originally Posted by PharmDstudent

How about gun shots?

we have those too...granted i don't go to Temple, so I'm not that close.

I did walk by a pool of dried blood on the way to class today.

Originally Posted by confettiflyer

Ok ok south philly is a pretty cool place, at least I can hop on the subway and scoot down there for some grub.

But seriously, half this city needs to be leveled by a 9+ earthquake. No wonder other countries are so much nicer....we bombed the hell out of them and they rebuilt with better technology.

I was just thinking what I'd do if I got matched to a residency here (if I go that route). I think I'd be glad AND pissed at the same time. I should just move to the 'burbs...ghetto people can't really afford the train fare

Lansdale...Bensalem...North and East, young man...

Originally Posted by confettiflyer

...granted i don't go to Temple, so I'm not that close.

You ain't never been to Baltimore, have you? North Philly ain't got **** on Western Central Balmer. Hell, back in the 90s it didn't just look like a warzone...it WAS a warzone.

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

It is a scam. And I'll tell you why. Of ALL of the varied paths you can choose, clinical specialist is the only one that forces a person to work one to two years as an apprentice for **** pay. Want to be a nuclear pharmacist...you get paid full wage to train...pharmacy director...you can work for Cardinal in their director training program for a year and get full pay as you train.

It's a scam because those that hire clinical specialists are trading a facade of prestige for having to pay their collective trainees less money. Residencies should pay full salary...and everyone that is doing them is getting played by the collection of academics that run them. I'm not saying that people should or sholdn't do them...if you want to be a clinical specialist...if that's what really, really interests you...you pretty much have to...I'm just saying it must be complete balls that the one thing in the entire realm of pharmacy you are the most interested in treats you like an apprentice for a year or two. It's bull****.

I think that's the problem. There's this notation that residencies are mandatory and that your only other option, if you don't do a residency, is to slave it out in retail... which is not true!

If it's possible to get a "clinical" job without a residency, then I don't understand why people would do a residency. There are still opportunities out there, but people are getting scared of their own shadows and running to residencies without even considering a "clinical" job + training.

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

Thankfully, I have zero interest in being a clinical specialist, so I'm not subject to this ridiculous system. I'm gonna get an MBA and work for Zpak...

...as long as you don't become a hypocrite... I mean a residency cheerleader... too.

Originally Posted by NormalSaline

Wow as a future 2011 grad, I dont know how to react to all this worry about oversupply. Part of me wants to jump right into work and pay down my debts as fast as possible. Another part of me wants to do 2 years of residency so that I can be distinguished from all of the new grads.

i would HIGHLY recommend you switch careers. i really dont see pharmacy progressing much and instead being screwed over in the future. the big issue is, in pharmacy there is no "procedure" to provide when compared to other professions. this is where you get money and can justify salaries.

Originally Posted by PharmaTope

i would HIGHLY recommend you switch careers. i really dont see pharmacy progressing much and instead being screwed over in the future. the big issue is, in pharmacy there is no "procedure" to provide when compared to other professions. this is where you get money and can justify salaries.

Are you serious? What is up with everyone recommending to switch out of pharmacy?

Originally Posted by PharmaTope

i would HIGHLY recommend you switch careers. i really dont see pharmacy progressing much and instead being screwed over in the future. the big issue is, in pharmacy there is no "procedure" to provide when compared to other professions. this is where you get money and can justify salaries.

Yeah, I'm only 75k in debt right now. I guess I will jump ship before it gets crazy!

How do you feel about the future of door to door meat salesmen?

Originally Posted by NormalSaline

How do you feel about the future of door to door meat salesmen?

Gigolos will always have a future...

Originally Posted by janeno

Are you serious? What is up with everyone recommending to switch out of pharmacy?

if you cannot see the issues that plague this profession there is something wrong.


look at your average pharmacist. there is no team effort. as a whole, pharmacists are very critical of each other and other healthcare providers. instead of pushing for change and advancement people just say "eh whatever" bc they are too comfortable doing a job of counting pills. what happens is you are seeing every other profession advance but pharmacy is not.

now with the economic downturn, a growing and soon to be very real surplus of pharmacists, how do you expect to justify 100,000 dollar salaries?

when hospitals implement physician order entry, the number of pharmacists needed decline since pharmacist are not doing the entry.

there is no organization that works for the real advancement of the profession. Who is gonna help? APhA? lol. come on, they are just happy to be hanging around and rubbing elbows with your membership money but not doing anything for the profession.

Pharmacy seems to be a very ME first profession. Unless the people within the profession change (which i dont see happening), you will not see the profession going anywhere.

look at some of the other threads. capital hill is now discussing this whole MTM idea and saying that pharmacists are not needed bc nurses can do the same job. the number of physicians and nurses far outnumber pharmacists which is also why you do not see a great push for advancement. there is no real lobbying power.

Originally Posted by NormalSaline

Yeah, I'm only 75k in debt right now. I guess I will jump ship before it gets crazy!

How do you feel about the future of door to door meat salesmen?

depends where you are selling. I hear San Francisco is really big on meat packing. you might be able to sell door to door there, but you have to have the big sausage.

Originally Posted by PharmaTope

if you cannot see the issues that plague this profession there is something wrong.


look at your average pharmacist. there is no team effort. as a whole, pharmacists are very critical of each other and other healthcare providers. instead of pushing for change and advancement people just say "eh whatever" bc they are too comfortable doing a job of counting pills. what happens is you are seeing every other profession advance but pharmacy is not.

now with the economic downturn, a growing and soon to be very real surplus of pharmacists, how do you expect to justify 100,000 dollar salaries?

when hospitals implement physician order entry, the number of pharmacists needed decline since pharmacist are not doing the entry.

there is no organization that works for the real advancement of the profession. Who is gonna help? APhA? lol. come on, they are just happy to be hanging around and rubbing elbows with your membership money but not doing anything for the profession.

Pharmacy seems to be a very ME first profession. Unless the people within the profession change (which i dont see happening), you will not see the profession going anywhere.

look at some of the other threads. capital hill is now discussing this whole MTM idea and saying that pharmacists are not needed bc nurses can do the same job. the number of physicians and nurses far outnumber pharmacists which is also why you do not see a great push for advancement. there is no real lobbying power.

I have worked at several hospitals with CPOE and they all have the same number of pharmacists if not more now....it has a whole other set of problems

Originally Posted by janeno

Are you serious? What is up with everyone recommending to switch out of pharmacy?

i dont recommed switching if your knee deep in it...but i do recommend those who have not yet taken the plundge to re-consider...

Originally Posted by MountainPharmD

I skimmed the first 15 or so jobs and did not see salary information listed. Most say this " Compensation for this salaried, full-time position include a competitive salary, full benefits package, sign-on bonus, and loan repayment options."

For the first job listed here are the requirements "We have an immediate opportunity for a TX-licensed Clinical Pharmacist. A Doctor of Pharmacy degree (PharmD), residency, and/or experience in Oncology/Hematology are preferred. Board Certification in Oncology Pharmacy practice is a plus. We also welcome highly motivated professionals who want to further their specialization or to enter this fascinating and expanding field.



Dear god look who is the manager....an Rph?!?!? How can this be?!?!? She doesn't even have a PharmD so she likely does not have a residency. Surely that must be a mistake!!!! A pharmacist without a PharmD and a residency should be staffing the drive through ringing up Dorritios at Walgreens not managing an infusion clinic. How will the wiz bang PharmD with a residency ever be able to work under such a poorly qualified person?

I know the salaries because i have been payed to fly all over the country to inteview for them....u?.....i am not even an employee of the pharmacy department...i am payed by the "program" i work with...if it is such a scam and worthless then why do they hire me??.......what experience in hospital pharmacy do you have?...as a tech? I was a tech for 4 years in the hospital...a staff pharmacist for 1 year...and now a resident for 2 ...i could argue with you for months/years on this topic...the fact that you bring up an Rph as manager means nothing...She is a bpharm...nothing wrong with that, but the degree is not offered anymore ...the past means nothing...it is time to think of the future.......you bring up one job...and we can pick and choose words of requirements but the theme of all of them remains the same...further training...PharmDstudent and WVU might not like residencies but he/she has a clue in the fact that a PharmD means d&*k if you dont market/improve yourself...we have chosen different paths but all 3 of us have the same idea

Originally Posted by confettiflyer

I live in Philadelphia. Done.

Filthadelphia

Originally Posted by jachen84

Filthadelphia

Killadelphia, Pistolvania


And CPOE hasn't affected hiring at Jeff. hospital, and the other hospital I know of in CA switching over to CPOE (finally) is looking to hire as well.

where in CA are u from again?

Originally Posted by jachen84

where in CA are u from again?

Time split between the bay area and Orange County. yeah yeah yeah, The OC, har har har.

Originally Posted by Old Timer

How would this work? It wouldn't. Who in their right mind would spend the money to go to school an extra year? The glut in retail would be greater. We still live in a capitalist society.

People that wanted to make a higher salary and/or wanted greater flexibility in where they can work. What if BS pharmacists made less than PharmDs because it required less school? What would that do to the market is my question?

Originally Posted by PharmaTope

if you cannot see the issues that plague this profession there is something wrong.


look at your average pharmacist. there is no team effort. as a whole, pharmacists are very critical of each other and other healthcare providers. instead of pushing for change and advancement people just say "eh whatever" bc they are too comfortable doing a job of counting pills. what happens is you are seeing every other profession advance but pharmacy is not.

now with the economic downturn, a growing and soon to be very real surplus of pharmacists, how do you expect to justify 100,000 dollar salaries?

when hospitals implement physician order entry, the number of pharmacists needed decline since pharmacist are not doing the entry.

there is no organization that works for the real advancement of the profession. Who is gonna help? APhA? lol. come on, they are just happy to be hanging around and rubbing elbows with your membership money but not doing anything for the profession.

Pharmacy seems to be a very ME first profession. Unless the people within the profession change (which i dont see happening), you will not see the profession going anywhere.

look at some of the other threads. capital hill is now discussing this whole MTM idea and saying that pharmacists are not needed bc nurses can do the same job. the number of physicians and nurses far outnumber pharmacists which is also why you do not see a great push for advancement. there is no real lobbying power.

I agree with all of this except the CPOE part. Pharmacists SUCK at forming any sort of alliance. As long as each person gets their paycheck, they don't give a crap about the bigger picture. I saw this in school and see it now in the workforce. Look at the AMA compared to any pharmacy association. Laughable. I don't think it's about numbers as much as our fragmentation into different organizations.

CPOE - frees us up to do the stuff we should have been doing before but didn't have time. We have more staff and are just as busy with CPOE than before it. Besides, there are lots of order entry errors to fix anyway.

Originally Posted by spacecowgirl

People that wanted to make a higher salary and/or wanted greater flexibility in where they can work. What if BS pharmacists made less than PharmDs because it required less school? What would that do to the market is my question?

That's not going to happen. The state sets the terms by requiring a license. Also, what school is going to offer a BS. They would loose accreditation....

Nice thought, no sense of reality, but nice thought.

Originally Posted by WVUPharm2007

Thankfully, I have zero interest in being a clinical specialist, so I'm not subject to this ridiculous system. I'm gonna get an MBA and work for Zpak...

Market is getting tight homeboy.. And the last few DOPs we hired are PharmD/MBA yet the people in the leadership position are mostly RPh and PharmD.. I guess most of us got lucky with the ground floor opportunity.

But you let me know when you're ready.

Originally Posted by StaviZFingerZ

Market is getting tight homeboy.. And the last few DOPs we hired are PharmD/MBA yet the people in the leadership position are mostly RPh and PharmD.. I guess most of us got lucky with the ground floor opportunity.

But you let me know when you're ready.

Like my granddaddy once said...there is always room for a flimflamming hilljack in any business.

and my pappy always said the pharmacist shortage is over when the pigs fly..

Well gosh darn it.. "swine flu"

New pharmacy times issue has an editorial about the over-supply problem.....has anyone read it? It is spot on!...The time is now to put an end to all the BS....i think an article in AJHP or ACCP is needed....PM me if you are interested in getting this together to write an article....i will not have much time until the end of this residency but students and pharmacists on SDN are needed...

According to ASHP, Uncle Sam *cough* the government *cough* *cough* knows it all!

http://www.ashp.org/import/news/Heal...e.aspx?id=3052

yeah right they do ...... but it is time to start publishing the problem

Originally Posted by bigpharmD

yeah right they do ...... but it is time to start publishing the problem

Ok. Now would be a good time; finals are almost over for a lot of pharmacy students.

What would you want to publish? You could probably do some market analysis and show how jobs are becoming more scarce, but you would need a previous point in time to have as a reference.

If you talk about hiring freezes, market saturation (e.g. California, New York, Chicago, and portions of Florida), and stagnating salaries, then it might make for a good article.

I said PM me...there will be plenty to talk about including the pharm school boom, no jobs for new grads, residency requirements..etc....if you are interested we can all work together to get something published.

finals for you guys...end of residnecy for me...does not have to be next week

Ok. Whatever...

I'm afraid of PMing "you people", because of all of the crap that people get around here...


later

thats fine...but i am serious about getting somthing together...

If you need a clever quote or two, PM me...lol.

All I know is that my wife can't find a job anywhere in Southwestern PA as a new grad trying to get on as a staff pharmacist. Right now we are planning on maybe heading up to Pittsburgh where there are more published job openings...and even then, I'm not so sure we'll have much luck.

I think she could get a retail gig, though...but she vehemently refuses to work in retail ever again. God, I love her...

i wrote to the acpe some while ago

i got nothing in return, they prolly never even got it

Here's the aforementioned article, btw. Heh.

Originally Posted by prevacid

i wrote to the acpe some while ago

i got nothing in return, they prolly never even got it

just writing means nothing...we need to publish