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Alright, took the GRE today and the format was completely different than all the practice tests I took (avg'd about 520V, 690-Q). Also, I'm the first to admit I should have put more of an effort on raw definitions. Anyway, (seems to be a theme of alliteration of A's)I felt like I was taken off my element and underperformed.

1070 (440-V, 630-Q)-all unofficial

I was so upset, knowing how competitive PhD clinical programs are.

Currently I at ECU I have:
3.7 GPA(hoping to finish with >3.82)

3.625 psych GPA (A in stats, yet to take research methods and 4 other reaming psych courses)

I have 1 semester in the lab about 9hr/week (presented a poster publication at UNC)

I am waiting to hear back about volunteering at REALcrisis center during my upcoming senior year. I will continue doing research and plan on completing a thesis for graduation (I have rattled my scientific mind and believe I found something a professor would love to support).

Now, what to do what to do....I am retaking the revised GRE on Sept 30 since the old will no longer be available (and students love saving money-50% off Aug/Sept). MY QUESTION-if I don't do significantly better on this GRE WAMC????

I am a 25 year old transfer student who has completed my A.A. so I have only been at ECU for 1 year and I am trying to build stronger relationships with professors; and believe I will have LORs covered.

I'm not your typical student and it is expressed, explained, and then approved (by a good number of eyes) in my SOP. Lost father in 05 to lung cancer, was his executor and friend-took a while to get my academic career on track, but now have caught back up with my potential, etc....

Here are a list of programs I like and feel would be a good fit:

UofA (Tuscaloosa)
USC (South Carolina)
UNC-G
UNC
UT Knoxville
WV
Wake Forest (MA-they train almost exclusively for admission to PhD programs)
Fordam
FSU
UGA
Uof Illinois
UNL (Nebraska-Lincoln)
Syracuse
Kentucky
UVA

Also, any other solid MA programs preparing students for PhD study? Discovered some info on a PhD in clinical counseling, what is this all about (looks like it involves research-usually need MA to apply)?

Any help, advice, etc will be received favorably-I'm sooo distraught by my scores today

Hello Everyone,

I recently graduated with a bachelors in psychology and I am in the process of applying for experimental psychology programs across the country (Not clinical psy which typically has more applicants). I am in a very bad dilemma due to my bombed GRE score. I am horrible at standardized tests and I rushed my study time because of the cutoff date for the revised GRE in August, and I freaked out with time management during the test; I received a 900 (400 verbal/500 quantitative). At this point, I realize my score is not even close to be competitive in these programs, but here's the catch: my academic resume is near flawless. I am literally a contradiction on paper.

For the purpose of understanding my situation, here is my brief CV beyond my GRE score:

I graduated magna cum laude (3.8 gpa) , with honors; I created and defended an individual honors thesis which I published in several journals as an undergraduate. I presented my research at national and regional conferences and symposiums. I also have been working in a research lab at my school for over a year and I've received psychology achievement awards in my school for my research. My 3 letters of recommendation are from, perhaps, the most prestigious professors in their field at my school who I've worked personally with. According to what they wrote, they are literally throwing their life out for me to these graduate schools I am applying to and guaranteeing them my success in their programs. In addition, my life experiences as a Marine combat veteran integrated with my passions from experience to teach and do research as an experimental psychology professor has aided me in writing a wonderful statement of purpose (fingers crossed for this one).

So basically my academic resume is awesome, but my GRE doesn't just suck- it is an abortion.
Since my program of interest is mainly orientated towards molding students for research and academic teaching careers, almost all of the programs I am applying to only offer admittance into PhD programs (no masters programs as a climbing step), which makes competition narrower (anywhere from 40-90 applicants a year), but harder (accepting anywhere between 4-18 students a year).

IN ESSENCE, do you think I have enough here to compensate for this pathetic GRE score to actively compete in this narrow program at very good schools? Or is it just not enough?

I would be pleased to hear your opinions based off of accurate knowledge or first-hand related experiences ...

Originally Posted by BrockB

Hello Everyone,

I recently graduated with a bachelors in psychology and I am in processof applying for experimental, cognitive, and social psychology programs acrossthe country (NOT the more popular clinical psy). I am in a very bad dilemma due to my EXTREMELY LOW GRE score. I rushed my study time due to the cutoff datefor the revised GRE, and I freaked out with time management during the test, so I received a 900. (400 verbal/500 quantitative). At this point, I realize my score is not even close to be competitivein these programs, but here's the catch: my academic resume is near flawless. I am literally a walking contradiction on paper.

For the purpose of understanding my situation, here is my brief CVbeyond my GRE score:

I graduated magna cum laude (3.8 gpa) , with honors; I created and defended an individual honorsthesis which I published in several journals as an undergraduate. I presented my research at several nationaland regional conferences and symposiums. I also have been working in a research lab at my school for over a yearand I've received psychology achievement awards in my school for my research. My 3 letters of recommendation are from, perhaps, the most prestigiousprofessors in their field at my school. I'veworked personally with them who, according to what they wrote, are literally guaranteeingtheir life that I will be a success for the graduate research programs I am applying to. In addition, my life experiences as a Marine combat veteran integrated withmy passions from experience to teach and do research as an experimentalpsychology professor has aided me in writing a wonderful statement of purpose (fingers crossed for this one).

So basically my academic resume is awesome, but my GRE doesn't just suck- it is an abortion.
Since my program of interests are mainly orientated towards moldingstudents for research and academic teaching careers, almost all of the programsI am applying to only offer admittance into PhD programs (no masters programsas a climbing step), which makes competition narrower (anywhere from 40-90 applicants a year), but harder (accepting anywhere between 4-18 students a year).

IN ESSENCE, do you guys think I have enough here to compensate for thispathetic GRE score if I was to apply to really good schools? Could I compete with other applicants who have wayyy better gre scores by surpassing them with my published thesis work and yearly research experience? Or is it just not enough?

I would be pleased to hear your opinions based off of accurate knowledge or first-hand related experiences ...

I am sorry to say that the way GRE scores are weighted in graduate schools is that they look at them as a way to weed students out. Unfortunately your strong CV probably wont matter because they will throw out your application before they even look at your cv because your gre score doesnt meet really any schools cutoff. I would highly recommend taking it again and not rushing this time.

Thanks for the response, and I agree with you as the general guideline for GREscores, but:

1. I technically do not have time to set a realistic 20 hour-a-week study run and take the GRE again. Its one of the reasons I rushed in the first place- because I was too stupid to not take it last summer when I would've had much more time to prepare. I have to start refining my admissions packages and revising my personal statements to submit before appropriate deadlines. Also, the new revised version of the GRE goes in effect in August and thats a whole new ball game for which you have to wait a few months to get your score back, and it currently has no proven prep tools (this goes beyond my deadline times). Hindsight is 20-20!

2. All the schools I'm considering have no GRE cutoff. They mention they observe the entire application package with some stressing more significances on research experience, recommendation letters, and the statement of purpose over the GRE. This is not to say I will get in, of course, but it serves as hope that at least one of these schools may overlook my one extraneous weakness in the GRE with my pertinent research strengths in my honors thesis and my publications as an undergrad which actually prove I am capable of producing in my field- or am I still being too quixotic?

Some of the more competitive schools I want to apply to are:
South florida
Chicago
Indiana
Purdue
Boston
Brown
Vermount
Hawaii
FSU
Alabama
etc, etc...

I would be happy to get into just ONE of these schools, but just in case every single one of these schools laugh at me (and I expect some will, which is fine), I am in process of definitely looking at smaller tier 3&4 schools for backup plans FOR SURE. Its just hard to find these particular schools because of the lack of publicity. So on a side note, does anyone recommend any hidden jewel schools out there which have a good experimental/ social/ or cognitive psychology program(s) that most likely may accept someone like me? I'm applying for fall 2012. There has to be some respected solutions out there!

Again, thank you for your info guys

Originally Posted by BrockB

Hello Everyone,

I recently graduated with a bachelors in psychology and I am in the process of applying for experimental psychology programs across the country (Not clinical psy which typically has more applicants). I am in a very bad dilemma due to my bombed GRE score. I am horrible at standardized tests and I rushed my study time because of the cutoff date for the revised GRE in August, and I freaked out with time management during the test; I received a 900 (400 verbal/500 quantitative). At this point, I realize my score is not even close to be competitive in these programs, but here's the catch: my academic resume is near flawless. I am literally a contradiction on paper.

For the purpose of understanding my situation, here is my brief CV beyond my GRE score:

I graduated magna cum laude (3.8 gpa) , with honors; I created and defended an individual honors thesis which I published in several journals as an undergraduate. I presented my research at national and regional conferences and symposiums. I also have been working in a research lab at my school for over a year and I've received psychology achievement awards in my school for my research. My 3 letters of recommendation are from, perhaps, the most prestigious professors in their field at my school who I've worked personally with. According to what they wrote, they are literally throwing their life out for me to these graduate schools I am applying to and guaranteeing them my success in their programs. In addition, my life experiences as a Marine combat veteran integrated with my passions from experience to teach and do research as an experimental psychology professor has aided me in writing a wonderful statement of purpose (fingers crossed for this one).

So basically my academic resume is awesome, but my GRE doesn't just suck- it is an abortion.
Since my program of interest is mainly orientated towards molding students for research and academic teaching careers, almost all of the programs I am applying to only offer admittance into PhD programs (no masters programs as a climbing step), which makes competition narrower (anywhere from 40-90 applicants a year), but harder (accepting anywhere between 4-18 students a year).

IN ESSENCE, do you think I have enough here to compensate for this pathetic GRE score to actively compete in this narrow program at very good schools? Or is it just not enough?

I would be pleased to hear your opinions based off of accurate knowledge or first-hand related experiences ...

Hi there!

I just went through the experimental phd program app process last year and I'll be heading off to a PhD program in cognitive neuroscience this fall.

I am sorry to say that you almost have to retake the GRE again. Yes, there is a small chance a school might look past it but it is unlikely. You'd be taking a huge risk in applying if you didn't break 1000. Many applicants have scores of 1300+.

More bad news (sorry!) but your CV, though impressive, is not that much different from many competitive experimental psych applicants. In fact, if you've only been working in a lab for a year then many applicants will have more research experience than you.

Your best bet is to try to take the GRE again. Even with minimal studying you might be able to break 1000. The good news is that there are many schools out there and I would recommend looking through the insider's guide to psychology graduate programs. If you find a good fit with a program and bump up that GRE score you have a decent shot.


Good luck!!

In my experience C.V. doesn't matter. The only thing that makes you noticed in the early stages of admission process is the GRE. If you dont have a good score- you get cut and then your accomplishments don't get noticed. Although you aren't going clinical- competitive experimental programs still have high GRE scores.

Take it again is my advice.

You need to retake that GRE. Lots of applicants will be similarly competitive, and your app won't get looked at unless you have some sort of stellar personal connection to a program, given your GRE score. Some schools won't be able to fund you with a GRE below a certain cutoff, and in that case they just don't even offer admission. You need to find a way to study, whether it's now or over the next year.

Do what it takes.

Get it done.

Stop posting and go study.

Moving to WAMC.

Also, no offense, but your post seems a tad... arrogant. I mean, your CV sounds good, but in psychology grad school admissions practically everyone's CV is really good--one of those "excellent is average" situations. I'm curious, as you said your undergrad thesis was published in "several" journals--how many publications do you have? Maybe others can correct me here, but I'm a bit dubious that a thesis, especially an undergrad thesis, could realistically make more than 2-3 articles (which would still be impressive, especially if they were top tier journals). Also, pretty much everyone will have glowing letters of recommendation. That doesn't mean they aren't helpful, but if it's likely to be more notable (in a negative way) if you don't have them than notable (in a positive way) if you do.

Like others have said, your GRE is likely to get you weeded out at some (most?) programs--you're a competitive applicant but that low GRE could cause your application not to get the full measure of attention. Some may indeed overlook it, but it's a pretty big gamble, IMO. Good luck!

Originally Posted by futureapppsy2

Moving to WAMC.

Also, no offense, but your post seems a tad... arrogant. I mean, your CV sounds good, but in psychology grad school admissions practically everyone's CV is really good--one of those "excellent is average" situations.

I'm glad someone finally said this! The OP has a CV like many applicants but presents himself or herself like they are the greatest psychology applicant minus an aberrant GRE score.


Anyway, just echoing other posters. Yes, you most certainly need to retake the GRE. If you have time to come on here and boast, you have time to study.

best of luck to ya

I suggest taking GRE practice tests over and over. I raised my quant from a 300 to a 500 this way (still wasn't high enough, but it was a good start).

I doubt this applies to everyone, but the one thing that worked for me is to study the explanations of practice problems (many GRE help books provide these, while the ETS tests do not). I found that I was learning bad strategies and making the same types of mistakes before I just focused on studying the explanations without trying to first answer the questions.

Best of luck!

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Just looking to get some weigh in....or should I post as it's own thread and have it moved to get it looked at?

Originally Posted by walt55054life

Alright, took the GRE today and the format was completely different than all the practice tests I took (avg'd about 520V, 690-Q). Also, I'm the first to admit I should have put more of an effort on raw definitions. Anyway, (seems to be a theme of alliteration of A's)I felt like I was taken off my element and underperformed.

1070 (440-V, 630-Q)-all unofficial

I was so upset, knowing how competitive PhD clinical programs are.

Currently I at ECU I have:
3.7 GPA(hoping to finish with >3.82)

3.625 psych GPA (A in stats, yet to take research methods and 4 other reaming psych courses)

I have 1 semester in the lab about 9hr/week (presented a poster publication at UNC)

I am waiting to hear back about volunteering at REALcrisis center during my upcoming senior year. I will continue doing research and plan on completing a thesis for graduation (I have rattled my scientific mind and believe I found something a professor would love to support).

Now, what to do what to do....I am retaking the revised GRE on Sept 30 since the old will no longer be available (and students love saving money-50% off Aug/Sept). MY QUESTION-if I don't do significantly better on this GRE WAMC????

I am a 25 year old transfer student who has completed my A.A. so I have only been at ECU for 1 year and I am trying to build stronger relationships with professors; and believe I will have LORs covered.

I'm not your typical student and it is expressed, explained, and then approved (by a good number of eyes) in my SOP. Lost father in 05 to lung cancer, was his executor and friend-took a while to get my academic career on track, but now have caught back up with my potential, etc....

Here are a list of programs I like and feel would be a good fit:

UofA (Tuscaloosa)
USC (South Carolina)
UNC-G
UNC
UT Knoxville
WV
Wake Forest (MA-they train almost exclusively for admission to PhD programs)
Fordam
FSU
UGA
Uof Illinois
UNL (Nebraska-Lincoln)
Syracuse
Kentucky
UVA

Also, any other solid MA programs preparing students for PhD study? Discovered some info on a PhD in clinical counseling, what is this all about (looks like it involves research-usually need MA to apply)?

Any help, advice, etc will be received favorably-I'm sooo distraught by my scores today

Originally Posted by walt55054life

Alright, took the GRE today and the format was completely different than all the practice tests I took (avg'd about 520V, 690-Q). Also, I'm the first to admit I should have put more of an effort on raw definitions. Anyway, (seems to be a theme of alliteration of A's)I felt like I was taken off my element and underperformed.

1070 (440-V, 630-Q)-all unofficial

I was so upset, knowing how competitive PhD clinical programs are.

Currently I at ECU I have:
3.7 GPA(hoping to finish with >3.82)

3.625 psych GPA (A in stats, yet to take research methods and 4 other reaming psych courses)

I have 1 semester in the lab about 9hr/week (presented a poster publication at UNC)

I am waiting to hear back about volunteering at REALcrisis center during my upcoming senior year. I will continue doing research and plan on completing a thesis for graduation (I have rattled my scientific mind and believe I found something a professor would love to support).

Now, what to do what to do....I am retaking the revised GRE on Sept 30 since the old will no longer be available (and students love saving money-50% off Aug/Sept). MY QUESTION-if I don't do significantly better on this GRE WAMC????

I am a 25 year old transfer student who has completed my A.A. so I have only been at ECU for 1 year and I am trying to build stronger relationships with professors; and believe I will have LORs covered.

I'm not your typical student and it is expressed, explained, and then approved (by a good number of eyes) in my SOP. Lost father in 05 to lung cancer, was his executor and friend-took a while to get my academic career on track, but now have caught back up with my potential, etc....

Here are a list of programs I like and feel would be a good fit:

UofA (Tuscaloosa)
USC (South Carolina)
UNC-G
UNC
UT Knoxville
WV
Wake Forest (MA-they train almost exclusively for admission to PhD programs)
Fordam
FSU
UGA
Uof Illinois
UNL (Nebraska-Lincoln)
Syracuse
Kentucky
UVA

Also, any other solid MA programs preparing students for PhD study? Discovered some info on a PhD in clinical counseling, what is this all about (looks like it involves research-usually need MA to apply)?

Any help, advice, etc will be received favorably-I'm sooo distraught by my scores today

Honestly, your low GRE score plus your fairly minimal research experience will really hurt you at a lot of programs. Of course, you still have an additional semester to pump up your CV before submitting apps, but it may be a struggle, as most applicants will have more than two semesters of research experience. JMO. If you can get your GRE up to 1250-ish+, it might be worth a shot, but I think your relatively minimal research experience will still make things difficult. Wake Forest MA is generally considered really good for preparing students indeed. In general, any MA program that's funded would be your best bet. Is there a reason you're considering that versus working for two years as an RA?

Originally Posted by futureapppsy2

Honestly, your low GRE score plus your fairly minimal research experience will really hurt you at a lot of programs. Of course, you still have an additional semester to pump up your CV before submitting apps, but it may be a struggle, as most applicants will have more than two semesters of research experience. JMO. If you can get your GRE up to 1250-ish+, it might be worth a shot, but I think your relatively minimal research experience will still make things difficult. Wake Forest MA is generally considered really good for preparing students indeed. In general, any MA program that's funded would be your best bet. Is there a reason you're considering that versus working for two years as an RA?

I just don't particularly want to spend sometime away from studying-I'm already 25, recently engaged, and getting married in 3-4 years (yet to set a date). I really want to be finished with coursework before truly attempting to have our first child. Mostly it is personal desires, which never happen the way I want them to anyway.
With that said, I have considered the RA 2 yr deal thing and have discussed it with my fiance--those are usually paid right? In the end want to be able to be a state/federal correctional psychologist, but want to be trained to do adequate research, train, and teach as well. Hence, the PhD in clinical psych.
It's long winded, but I feel that working towards my MA/MS would be more beneficial than being a RA for 2-3 years--or is this the wrong assumption?

And, thanks for your response

Originally Posted by wigflip

Hey folks,

My apologies if this has been addressed elsewhere on this site and I missed it, but does anyone know how competitive Pepperdine's PsyD program is? Any stats on ratio of applicants to admits?

Thanks in advance...

I didn't see exact stats, but from their site:

"The average undergraduate grade point average for students in the 2002-2008 entering classes was 3.29 (Range: 2.3 – 4.0); average GRE Verbal Test Score was 528 (Range: 310 - 800); average GRE Quantitative Test score was 574 (Range: 270 – 800) and average Psychology Subject Test Score was 614 (Range: 280 – 820)."

The program also requires a master's degree in psych or closely related field. I don't recall whether or not you're one of those folks who has a master's already, as I'm only around sporadically.

From their admissions/outcome data, it seems that they have ~26-31 students per year applying for internship and/or graduating, so I would presume that this is their average class size. I didn't see anything regarding how many applicants they received each year, however (which one would think would be on their "admissions data" page ).

Originally Posted by walt55054life

Just looking to get some weigh in....or should I post as it's own thread and have it moved to get it looked at?

I'm going to be brutally honest with you, I'm also interested in correctional psych and applied to many of the programs you mentioned. With your GRE scores you won't make it past the cutoff. Also, your lack of research won't get you interviews at those schools. I'm not trying to be mean, but I don't want you to spend money and energy applying to get disappointed. I had a similar GPA, higher GREs and two years of research experience working with one of the top correctional researchers and I got flat out rejections from some of them.

Hi... I need your help in letting me know what you think about my chances of getting into a PsyD/PhD program.. Here are my stats....

Bacchelor:
Major: Biology Education (Not Psychology)
GPA: 3.24
Florida International University

Master:
Mental Health Counseling & School Counseling (NON thesis; but over 1000 of practicum/internship hours)
GPA: 3.9
GRE: 1100

Research Experience/ Further experience:

- Co-author in two papers with a faculty staff. Topic: Parent attachment and gay individuals

- Volunteer for two week on a camp for authistic children

- Assisted a faculty on a qualitative research. Topic: Hispanics and Sexual disclosure boundaries between parents and children/teenagers.

Schools I am want to attend, in order of preference.
UM (preference)
NOVA (preference)
FIU
FAU
USF
UCF

What are my chances.. can anyone advise? Thanks

Originally Posted by rabre001

Hi... I need your help in letting me know what you think about my chances of getting into a PsyD/PhD program.. Here are my stats....

Bacchelor:
Major: Biology Education (Not Psychology)
GPA: 3.24
Florida International University

Master:
Mental Health Counseling & School Counseling (NON thesis; but over 1000 of practicum/internship hours)
GPA: 3.9
GRE: 1100

Research Experience/ Further experience:

- Co-author in two papers with a faculty staff. Topic: Parent attachment and gay individuals

- Volunteer for two week on a camp for authistic children

- Assisted a faculty on a qualitative research. Topic: Hispanics and Sexual disclosure boundaries between parents and children/teenagers.

Schools I am want to attend, in order of preference.
UM (preference)
NOVA (preference)
FIU
FAU
USF
UCF

What are my chances.. can anyone advise? Thanks

I stopped reading at your grammatical error in your post title

Originally Posted by PerhapsMaybeOk

I stopped reading at your grammatical error in your post title

Sorry for the grammatical errors.... But I would greatly appreciate it if you can help me.. Thanks...

You need to post this in the WAMC thread.

Originally Posted by PrisonPsych

You need to post this in the WAMC thread.

Thank you! Will do...

Originally Posted by rabre001

Hi... I need your help in letting me know what you think about my chances of getting into a PsyD/PhD program.. Here are my stats....

Bacchelor:
Major: Biology Education (Not Psychology)
GPA: 3.24
Florida International University

Master:
Mental Health Counseling & School Counseling (NON thesis; but over 1000 of practicum/internship hours)
GPA: 3.9
GRE: 1100

Research Experience/ Further experience:

- Co-author in two papers with a faculty staff. Topic: Parent attachment and gay individuals

- Volunteer for two week on a camp for authistic children

- Assisted a faculty on a qualitative research. Topic: Hispanics and Sexual disclosure boundaries between parents and children/teenagers.

Schools I am want to attend, in order of preference.
UM (preference)
NOVA (preference)
FIU
FAU
USF
UCF

What are my chances.. can anyone advise? Thanks

Did you have a specific research area you're interested in? It seems from your schools that you may be focusing more on location (staying in FL) rather than on a good research fit with a program/POI. Having made that mistake myself last year, you might want to avoid feeling overly tied to a specific state/area unless you have a very good reason for not being open to relocation. Just my 0.02... Also, your GRE scores are going to be a bit low for places like USF and UM... You should do some digging on their acceptance data and rethink any schools that aren't within about 50 points either way of your verbal and quantitative scores.

Other than that it seems that you have some decent research experience (but the more, the merrier) and clinical experience. I'm sure you'll be a good candidate for several programs as long as you demonstrate fit with the program and POIs!

Originally Posted by busybusybusy

I'm going to be brutally honest with you, I'm also interested in correctional psych and applied to many of the programs you mentioned. With your GRE scores you won't make it past the cutoff. Also, your lack of research won't get you interviews at those schools. I'm not trying to be mean, but I don't want you to spend money and energy applying to get disappointed. I had a similar GPA, higher GREs and two years of research experience working with one of the top correctional researchers and I got flat out rejections from some of them.

Hence my concern and disappointment. Did you get accepted anywhere? I feel if I received an interview I would be okay-and am retaking the GRE Sept 30th. Thank you for not sugar coating it, but do you feel if I do better on the GRE I could be okay? If not, what do you recommend? Master's clinical/general, MSW, RA for a few years until GRE is top notch??

Originally Posted by walt55054life

Hence my concern and disappointment. Did you get accepted anywhere? I feel if I received an interview I would be okay-and am retaking the GRE Sept 30th. Thank you for not sugar coating it, but do you feel if I do better on the GRE I could be okay? If not, what do you recommend? Master's clinical/general, MSW, RA for a few years until GRE is top notch??

How my program did it: a secretary would take first crack at the files and separate out all the ones that didn't meet whatever cut-offs the faculty set before the files even went to the faculty. Honestly, even if other schools do it differently, your other stats really aren't strong enough to outweigh your GRE. You will only have had a little over a year of research experience when you apply, when most people apply with at least 2.

Originally Posted by GreenAcademe

Did you have a specific research area you're interested in? It seems from your schools that you may be focusing more on location (staying in FL) rather than on a good research fit with a program/POI. Having made that mistake myself last year, you might want to avoid feeling overly tied to a specific state/area unless you have a very good reason for not being open to relocation. Just my 0.02... Also, your GRE scores are going to be a bit low for places like USF and UM... You should do some digging on their acceptance data and rethink any schools that aren't within about 50 points either way of your verbal and quantitative scores.

Other than that it seems that you have some decent research experience (but the more, the merrier) and clinical experience. I'm sure you'll be a good candidate for several programs as long as you demonstrate fit with the program and POIs!

Hi,

Thanks for your feedback. I will definitely look at other schools out of state. Do you think the fact that my UNDERGRAD GPA is not that high and my major is not in Psych. that it will hurt me? Or by having a Master in counseling and some research experience, plus the hands-on hours, will give me a chance at some programs?
Also, I might consider retaking the GRE, although it will have to be the new GRE....

Thanks again... any further advice will help!

Originally Posted by walt55054life

Hence my concern and disappointment. Did you get accepted anywhere? I feel if I received an interview I would be okay-and am retaking the GRE Sept 30th. Thank you for not sugar coating it, but do you feel if I do better on the GRE I could be okay? If not, what do you recommend? Master's clinical/general, MSW, RA for a few years until GRE is top notch??

You've yet to take a research methods course, right? You'll need to do well in that and beef up research experience. I'd suggest a Masters in experimental psych or working 2 years doing research full time. I'm not sure your GRE would be good enough to get your into a Masters program but both options would buy you time to study for the GRE again before it's time to apply for doctoral programs. You'll want more research experience anyway.

Originally Posted by rabre001

Hi,

Thanks for your feedback. I will definitely look at other schools out of state. Do you think the fact that my UNDERGRAD GPA is not that high and my major is not in Psych. that it will hurt me? Or by having a Master in counseling and some research experience, plus the hands-on hours, will give me a chance at some programs?
Also, I might consider retaking the GRE, although it will have to be the new GRE....

Thanks again... any further advice will help!

I would assume that your Master's GPA would be the focus and I doubt that your undergrad major will make much of a difference. I would also guess that your research and clinical experience will be fine... but since you haven't seemed to single out a more specific research focus you may have trouble convincing some programs/POIs of fit. I'd work on that sooner rather than later. Also, are you more interested in research or practice? If you aren't as interested in research I'd try to stick to the Psy.D programs since they'll likely be a better fit and maybe not have as many (in theory) research-strong applicants to compete with.

To start, I plan on applying to Clinical Psych PhD programs. At this point, for financial reasons, a Masters is not an option, at all.

GRE is a 1260 (620 V, 640 Q)
Again, for financial reasons, cannot retake this or afford a prep course. I have taken it three times already, to be honest.

Undergrad GPA is a 3.1 (started premed, did quite bad in all hard science classes besides neuro)
Senior year GPA is a 3.7, but junior year isn't great due to an F in organic chemistry
Psych GPA is 3.5

Based on my performance in my psych classes, I thought the Psych GPA was higher, and now that I have my transcripts in hand, I'm concerned.

I have three years of relevant research experience, a number of first author posters and second/third author pubs, and glowing letters of recommendation. I'm not geographically limited, am applying to a range of schools and am focused on fit with the PI.

Do I stand a chance with these numbers? I know they will make it past some 3.0/1200 cutoffs, but I'm certainly worried they're going to drag down all my other work.

Originally Posted by PsychPhDStudent

You've yet to take a research methods course, right? You'll need to do well in that and beef up research experience. I'd suggest a Masters in experimental psych or working 2 years doing research full time. I'm not sure your GRE would be good enough to get your into a Masters program but both options would buy you time to study for the GRE again before it's time to apply for doctoral programs. You'll want more research experience anyway.

Correct on research methods, but I am confident I will land an A+, especially since I'm done with my Spanish. I'm taking the revised GRE on sept 30; and I really thin I just wasn't focused the first time and caught of guard when I saw the writing portion first.....I guess I'll know on the 30th what to do what to do

Originally Posted by wellwellwell

To start, I plan on applying to Clinical Psych PhD programs. At this point, for financial reasons, a Masters is not an option, at all.

GRE is a 1260 (620 V, 640 Q)
Again, for financial reasons, cannot retake this or afford a prep course. I have taken it three times already, to be honest.

Undergrad GPA is a 3.1 (started premed, did quite bad in all hard science classes besides neuro)
Senior year GPA is a 3.7, but junior year isn't great due to an F in organic chemistry
Psych GPA is 3.5

Based on my performance in my psych classes, I thought the Psych GPA was higher, and now that I have my transcripts in hand, I'm concerned.

I have three years of relevant research experience, a number of first author posters and second/third author pubs, and glowing letters of recommendation. I'm not geographically limited, am applying to a range of schools and am focused on fit with the PI.

Do I stand a chance with these numbers? I know they will make it past some 3.0/1200 cutoffs, but I'm certainly worried they're going to drag down all my other work.

Being honest, your GPA is going to eliminate you from making it past the initial consideration at most (though not all) schools. Many doc program's require you to maintain at least a 3.5 GPA while in the doc program, and they're going to see the ability to maintain even close to that while an undergrad to be a risky gamble for letting you in. Your GRE is fine, and the rest of your info looks good, but getting a foot in the door at most schools will be difficult.

Originally Posted by GreenAcademe

I would assume that your Master's GPA would be the focus and I doubt that your undergrad major will make much of a difference. I would also guess that your research and clinical experience will be fine... but since you haven't seemed to single out a more specific research focus you may have trouble convincing some programs/POIs of fit. I'd work on that sooner rather than later. Also, are you more interested in research or practice? If you aren't as interested in research I'd try to stick to the Psy.D programs since they'll likely be a better fit and maybe not have as many (in theory) research-strong applicants to compete with.

Thanks for your feedback... Yes... I would be more interested in a PsyD program. Unfortunately, there is more funding for PhD programs.
Also, when you mention narrowing down my research do you mean making some kind of connection between the two research papers I did? Or you mean keep on doing research and concentrate on one thing?
What both my papers have in common is that they both involved/worked with/studied Hispanics. Do I will be able to "pull that" as a common link for my research experience?

Thanks... Sorry for all the questions but I really like the feedback, helps me be a better candidate.. Thanks...

wellwellwell: You'd be best off going to a Masters program and getting a stellar GPA so you can demonstrate to programs that you can handle graduate coursework.

So, about me, I'll just be starting my senior year and looking to go straight into a clinical psych PhD program.the numbers...
I have a 3.9 overall GPA, probably similar psych GPA. And GRE I got a 710 V and 760 Q.

Clinical experience- I was a peer health intern for a year, doing presentations, tablings, events on alcohol and drug safety on campus. I also am in a school psych internship for over a year in which we supervise their recess and help with conflict resolution as well as help with referals to the school psychologist. I also worked at an autism center, helping track the progress of a child before and after the use of interventions.

Research experience- I go to a large research university so I got a lot of experience but not really ANY in what I want to research because it just wasn't available. 6 months in a cognitive psych lab taking pictures used in an experiment on perception. 6 months in a social psych lab measuring, weighing, debriefing, running experiments with participants. a year in a social/ health psych lab on relationships in which I helped run experiments, hooked up participants to pulse, blood flow, breathing rate monitors. Just starting a senior project with another professor in fall...

From these I should be able to get good LoR, I was very dedicated, reliable.

I guess my biggest problem has been deciding where to apply... and I could really use some advise. Though I would love to apply to UCLA, Boulder, Columbia, and similar schools for the funding, locations, interesting research etc the programs seem very minded in producing people who want to research for their career whereas I really see myself working in a rehab facility or hospital setting. I am really interested in substance abuse disorders. Are there people who have a career like this but also research in some way? Should I be looking at schools that don't focus on research so much? Such as...?

Also, my background has been pretty diverse because I didn't really know what I wanted to do in psychology... I just really liked everything but have finally made up my mind. will this hurt my app?

'm a Malaysian still pursuing Pre-U course. I really wish to be a SLP one day. Unfortunately, there isn't much universities/colleges offering Bachelors in Speech Pathology in my country here. I've been wondering whether is it actually possible for me to pursue my Masters in Speech Pathology in overseas countries after completing my degree course in Psychology here. Please guide me.

I'm so glad to have found this site!
I'm applying to Ph.D. programs in clinical psychology for Fall 2012.
I'm concerned that my research experiences are (1) not exclusively clinical in nature, and (2) some are simple data entry.
Okay, so here goes...

General Undergraduate Statistics:
Bachelor of Arts in Psychology, with High Honors (2008)
Overall GPA: 3.59, graduated cum laude
Provost List: Spring 2007
Dean’s List: Fall 2004, Fall 2005, Fall 2007
Phi Eta Sigma (National Honor Society)
Presidential Scholarship
Golden Key National Honor Society

GRE Scores:
Psychology GRE: 690 (76th percentile)
Verbal GRE: 640 (92nd percentile)
Quantitative GRE: 630 (54th percentile)
Analytical Writing GRE: 6.0 (99th percentile)

Research:

Honors Thesis (cognitive developmental) - 1/07-8/08
Lit. review, design experiment, conduct interviews, statistical analyses, APA-format manuscript, defend in front of a panel (awarded high honors for this work)

Research Assistant (clinical) - 8/10 - Present
"Symptom Predictors of Verbal Aggression in Acute Psychiatric Inpatients"(Fifth author)
Submitted for March 2011 publication in The Behavior Therapist
Interview inpatients with battery of tests, data entry, etc.

Research Assistant (clinical) - 6/10 - Present
Basic data entry for Rorshach Inkblot Test study (transcribing data from written reports to Excel spreadsheet)

Research Assistant (cognitive developmental) - 5/07-10/07
Preparing study materials, interviewing participants, data entry, database maintenance, etc.

Clinical Experience:

Crisis Hotline Counselor - 6/10-5/11
Residential counselor for the severely and persistently mentally ill/chemically addicted - 1/09-Present

What do you guys think my chances are at getting into (1) funded PhD programs, (2) partially funded PhD programs, (3) PsyD programs?

I'm interested in Duquesne, Long Island University, maybe NYU, Fairleigh Dickinson, university at Albany, and others...

I'm considering trying to get a paid research job in the interim.

THANKS!!!!

Hey psych peeps !

I am now in my senior year and I require some advice badly.
I have a GRE of 1140 ( I know this is rather low) and a GPA of 3.5 now (hoping to end it off with a 3.6)

Now... I wish to continue my education in graduate school immediately after I graduate next year spring. PhD application is due this december for me and Masters in March next year. I know that I can get more research experience and higher GPA after my fall semester but that will not be reflected in my application for PhD this december.

Is it advisable for me to pursue a Masters first and not wait for PhD? or should I just apply both and give it a shot?

Originally Posted by Psychcs

Hey psych peeps !

I am now in my senior year and I require some advice badly.
I have a GRE of 1140 ( I know this is rather low) and a GPA of 3.5 now (hoping to end it off with a 3.6)

Now... I wish to continue my education in graduate school immediately after I graduate next year spring. PhD application is due this december for me and Masters in March next year. I know that I can get more research experience and higher GPA after my fall semester but that will not be reflected in my application for PhD this december.

Is it advisable for me to pursue a Masters first and not wait for PhD? or should I just apply both and give it a shot?

I think giving the PhD application process a shot is a good experience because it will help prepare you for what to expect. It is very competitive and excellent student = mediocre student in clinical psych. My GRE score was not too different from yours and I got rejected automatically becuase if you don't meet the GRE cutoff/average (which is ususally not published at most programs) the admissions committe will not look at the rest of your application no matter how good it is. PsyD programs housed in universities are less strict about GRE scores but not by much. The PsyD cutoff is usually 1000, while PhD is 1200. I suggest thinking about your career goals and searching this forum on different paths to take (e.g. MSW, PhD/PsyDpsych, PhD/PSyD school psych, PhD social work, PhD marriage and familt therapy, PhD. counselor education, MA counseling. MA marriage and family therapy, etc). The simple way to think about it is, masters= practicing therapy, Phd/PsyD psych and school psych= therapy, testing, research and teaching, PhD non psych (e.g. social work, counselor ed, MFT) = therapy, teaching and research. Hope this helps.

Now this is the issue I am facing, I understand that I am at a borderline kinda position for application to a PhD program but I suppose I am in a great shape for a Masters with Clinical concentration.

My goal is simple, to be a psychologist that can practice and perhaps do research in future.
Your summarizing of the various program is definitely helpful!

It leads back to my question. Should I apply for both masters and phd or just for my masters with my current stats?

Originally Posted by Psychcs

Hey psych peeps !

I am now in my senior year and I require some advice badly.
I have a GRE of 1140 ( I know this is rather low) and a GPA of 3.5 now (hoping to end it off with a 3.6)

Now... I wish to continue my education in graduate school immediately after I graduate next year spring. PhD application is due this december for me and Masters in March next year. I know that I can get more research experience and higher GPA after my fall semester but that will not be reflected in my application for PhD this december.

Is it advisable for me to pursue a Masters first and not wait for PhD? or should I just apply both and give it a shot?

Depends on your prior research experience (any publications? posters?) and LORs. If you are without solid research experience it may be more beneficial to take a (hopefully paid!) RA position after you graduate than to go the MA route. Your GPA will most likely be competitive at a 3.6, so I don't really see a the benefit of going for your masters. Honestly, I think you'll have the most luck w/ PhD programs if you focus on obtaining solid research experience and work on raising your GRE score.

Originally Posted by manzel1

I'm so glad to have found this site!
I'm applying to Ph.D. programs in clinical psychology for Fall 2012.
I'm concerned that my research experiences are (1) not exclusively clinical in nature, and (2) some are simple data entry.
Okay, so here goes...

General Undergraduate Statistics:
Bachelor of Arts in Psychology, with High Honors (2008)
Overall GPA: 3.59, graduated cum laude
Provost List: Spring 2007
Dean’s List: Fall 2004, Fall 2005, Fall 2007
Phi Eta Sigma (National Honor Society)
Presidential Scholarship
Golden Key National Honor Society

GRE Scores:
Psychology GRE: 690 (76th percentile)
Verbal GRE: 640 (92nd percentile)
Quantitative GRE: 630 (54th percentile)
Analytical Writing GRE: 6.0 (99th percentile)

Research:

Honors Thesis (cognitive developmental) - 1/07-8/08
Lit. review, design experiment, conduct interviews, statistical analyses, APA-format manuscript, defend in front of a panel (awarded high honors for this work)

Research Assistant (clinical) - 8/10 - Present
"Symptom Predictors of Verbal Aggression in Acute Psychiatric Inpatients"(Fifth author)
Submitted for March 2011 publication in The Behavior Therapist
Interview inpatients with battery of tests, data entry, etc.

Research Assistant (clinical) - 6/10 - Present
Basic data entry for Rorshach Inkblot Test study (transcribing data from written reports to Excel spreadsheet)

Research Assistant (cognitive developmental) - 5/07-10/07
Preparing study materials, interviewing participants, data entry, database maintenance, etc.

Clinical Experience:

Crisis Hotline Counselor - 6/10-5/11
Residential counselor for the severely and persistently mentally ill/chemically addicted - 1/09-Present

What do you guys think my chances are at getting into (1) funded PhD programs, (2) partially funded PhD programs, (3) PsyD programs?

I'm interested in Duquesne, Long Island University, maybe NYU, Fairleigh Dickinson, university at Albany, and others...

I'm considering trying to get a paid research job in the interim.

THANKS!!!!

I think you're competitive for funded/partially funded PhD programs (depending, of course, on how well your interests/experiences match with the faculty). Submitting/publishing your honors thesis for publication would make you even more competitive. It's great that you were recognized for your thesis (and definitely a point in your favor) but I guess if I were to review the application I'd wonder about the follow through re: publication. Still, I think your stats will get you looked at...

I am currently an undergraduate student going into my 4th year and about to receive my BS in Secondary Education with an Emphasis in Mathematics. The school that I am at does not have a strong psychology program so my plan was to get my first BS here (I decided to stay at the university because I am on scholarship for athletics) and then transfer to another university to get a BS in psychology; however, I am now considering getting a MS in Psychology (since my ultimate goal is to get a PhD in Psy). My psychology background (prior to transferring to either program) includes...

Courses taken - Intro to Psy, Social Psy, Health Psy and Psy Stats (GPA- 4.0)
Future courses I will take - Research Methods and Edu Psy
Research - Semester long internship at a pain clinic under a psychologist, currently doing research under a professor at the school I am transferring to.
I have not taken my GRE's yet.

What are my chances in getting into a Master's Program with my background?
Thank you!

Hi all!

I’ve been lurking for the past couple of weeks after I finally finished my GRE- Hooray! I’m going to be a senior this fall at a top 5 public school, and am interested in Clinical Psych (like eeeeveryone else) My stats are:

Overall GPA: 3.77 (hopefully can raise that to 3.84 and graduate summa cum laude)
Psych GPA: 3.96
GRE: 670 V, 740 Q; 5.5 AWA; Total: 1410
Dean’s List: Spring 2010
Psi Chi member

Research Experience:
-3 semesters (5 by the time I graduate) as a research assistant in a clinical/ cultural lab, conducting psychological interviews using tests like Woodcock Johnson with children and doing data entry
-1 semester (3 by the time I graduate) as a research assistant in an infant/ emotion development lab, in charge of running several tasks on social and emotional development in infants.
-2 summers as a paid research assistant at a children’s hospital.
-First summer: worked on a literature review on anxiety, parent training and ran a couple of participants for a biofeedback project. Also created a poster and presented to a group of peers at the Child and Research Family Institute. I also got to participate in some psychiatry resident training, observed clinical interviews and attended weekly clinical meetings discussing referrals and all that.
-During the second summer, worked on a literature review on cost effectiveness, and updated literature on anxiety/OCD disorders/ treatment. Also worked on writing a part of a computer-gaming study and doing various data interpretation tasks (hopefully I will be an author on this paper)

Other Psych-related things:
-will be writing a literature review honor’s thesis on cost effectiveness of CBT
-associate editor for an undergraduate psychology journal on campus
-will (if I have time) work more closely with a graduate student in the first lab on another project

Others:
-am the student liaison to the Vice Chancellor of Student Affairs for 2011-2012
-English minor
-play club lacrosse and play/perform traditional drumming

I’m mainly interested in Canadian schools (I’m originally from Canada) like U of T, UBC, York, etc but also want to apply to Columbia and Northwestern.. What do you guys think my chances are? Does anyone have any experience with Canadian schools?

I’m also thinking about taking a year off to strengthen my application and do more research, or volunteer/ work (abroad) with clinic populations. Thanks!!

Hello Everyone,

I am planning on applying to Clinical PhD programs this fall. I have a unique background and would love to hear others' thoughts about my qualifications thus far. I know how competitive these programs are, and I wonder if I need to spend another year taking undergrad/graduate course work, and/or obtaining more research experience.

Schools:

Fordham: Clinical Psych PhD
Columbia TC: Clinical Psych PhD
LIU Brooklyn Campus: Clinical Psych PhD
St Johns: Clinical Psych PhD
Adelphi: Clinical Psych PhD
Yeshiva: PsyD.

GREs:
V: 640
Q: 690
AW: 4.5 (I panicked)
Psych: Taking in Nov.

Clinical Internships:
Psych Dept at a major Hospital
In-patient Children's Psych at a prestigious research hospital

Volunteer Rape Crisis Counselor at NYC Hospital: 2 years
Volunteer Movement Specialist with pediatric oncology patients: 2 years

Research Experience:
1 year with Social Work Professor doing clinical/pedagogical research
Conference Paper Presentation
Publication (Co-Author: published in an international social work journal)

Undergraduate Major: Theater (GPA 3.62)
Graduate Degree: MSW in May 2012 (GPA 4.0)

I have an undergraduate major in theater and worked in television for several years. I now work as a health and fitness counselor privately. I am currently getting my MSW from a top program in NYC. I do not have undergraduate psych classes, but my program is very clinical and all of the required material has been covered in my MSW program, though under different names.
I took a Masters Statistics course in the graduate psych dept at my university to fulfill that requirement and I got an A ( I have a 4.0 graduate GPA; 3.62 undergrad GPA, but most of those classes were in the arts). In addition, the head of that program (and the statistics prof) has agreed to write me a letter of recommendation. I will also have a letter of recc. form the prof I have done research with and from someone at one of my clinical internships. Is this enough?

Thank you for your time!

Hello. I am planning on applying to graduate school this fall. I was hoping I could get an idea on where I stand in gaining admittance into a graduate program. Here are my admission criteria...

GPA:
Undergraduate GPA: 3.91
Psychology GPA: 4.00
Last 60 hours: 3.91

GRE:
I am scheduled to take the GRE next month. The preliminary data from my practice exams show scores around V-550 and Q-700; however, I'm not sure how reliable these are.

Experience:
I started a job at a mental health center as a psychological group leader for children with mental illnesses. I lack ample research experience. I was the author at a local poster presentation, I had a literature review for an academic honors research project on the development and treatment of generalized anxiety disorder, and I plan to present another presentation this fall at a regional conference.

Schools:
These are a few programs I plan on applying to:
University of Kansas-Ph.D.
University of Arkansas-Ph.D.
University of Wichita-Ph.D.
University of North Texas-Ph.D.
Denver University-Psy.D.
Roosevelt University-Psy.D.

And a couple of counseling psychology programs:
Iowa State University
University of Northern Colorado

I do have professors who will write letters of recommendation. So, do I have any chance of gaining admission? I believe my lack of research experience will cause a few problems to the Ph.D. programs. Thank you for anyone who chooses to comment!!!

KU may be a reach if you don't have solid research experience. I know a number of people who went there, and they all said great things. If you go for an interview, say hi to Dr. Ilardi for me.

Hello Everyone,

I am planning on applying to Clinical PhD programs this fall. I have a unique background and would love to hear others' thoughts about my qualifications thus far. I know how competitive these programs are, and I wonder if I need to spend another year taking undergrad/graduate course work, and/or obtaining more research experience.

Schools:

Fordham: Clinical Psych PhD
Columbia TC: Clinical Psych PhD
LIU Brooklyn Campus: Clinical Psych PhD
St Johns: Clinical Psych PhD
Adelphi: Clinical Psych PhD
Yeshiva: PsyD.

GREs:
V: 640
Q: 690
AW: 4.5 (I panicked)
Psych: Taking in Nov.

Clinical Internships:
Psych Dept at a major Hospital
In-patient Children's Psych at a prestigious research hospital

Volunteer Rape Crisis Counselor at NYC Hospital: 2 years
Volunteer Movement Specialist with pediatric oncology patients: 2 years

Research Experience:
1 year with Social Work Professor doing clinical/pedagogical research
Conference Paper Presentation
Publication (Co-Author: published in an international social work journal)

Undergraduate Major: Theater (GPA 3.62)
Graduate Degree: MSW in May 2012 (GPA 4.0)

I have an undergraduate major in theater and worked in television for several years. I now work as a health and fitness counselor privately. I am currently getting my MSW from a top program in NYC. I do not have undergraduate psych classes, but my program is very clinical and all of the required material has been covered in my MSW program, though under different names.
I took a Masters Statistics course in the graduate psych dept at my university to fulfill that requirement and I got an A ( I have a 4.0 graduate GPA; 3.62 undergrad GPA, but most of those classes were in the arts). In addition, the head of that program (and the statistics prof) has agreed to write me a letter of recommendation. I will also have a letter of recc. form the prof I have done research with and from someone at one of my clinical internships. Is this enough?

Thank you for your time!

I am going to be applying to I/O PhD and Masters programs for Fall 2012. I am a bit of a special case here. I am 30 years old and absolutely destroyed my GPA my first 2 years out of high school. Started going back to school when I was 27 and have a 3.95 GPA since coming back. I have had to work fulltime while taking fulltime classes. I have also been involved with 2 professors research teams for the last year and a half. That is the extent of my research experience though. I have worked in an office setting for the last 4 years in a postition that involves some improving of processes.
GPA overall: 3.65
GPA Junior/Senior: 3.97
GPA Psych 3.95
GRE: 1250(620V/630Q)
Research: 1.5 years as RA on 2 professors research teams
LOR's: 2 from the research professors should be really solid, the 3rd is probably going to have to be from this professor I have had for 2 classes(which I got A's in) who I have met with and talked psych stuff with during his office hours a few times.

Schools/Programs applying to

PhD
NYU(Social/Organizational)
Teachers College, Columbia(Social/Organizational)
Baruch College, CUNY(I/O)
Saint Louis University(I/O)
Colorado State University(I/O)
Florida International University(I/O)
Texas A&M University(I/O)
University of Oklahoma(I/O)
Washington State University(Social/Organizational)

Masters
Cal State Long Beach(I/O)
San Diego Sate University(I/O)
San Francisco State(I/O)
Baruch College, CUNY(I/O)
NYU(I/O)
Teachers College,Columbia University(Social/Organizational)
East Carolina University(I/O)



What do you guys think..?