Can it be?: Is there such a thing as a person that is "too stupid"?

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I've been pondering the meaning of "only the brightest of students can do emergency medicine" because that statement can be reworded into "most students are not smart enough to do emergency medicine" or even "most students are too stupid to do emergency medicine". Is it really possible for somebody to put years, and years of intense effort into learning emergency medicine, and it do them no good, because their brains are incapable of the required intelect?

If this is true then it annoys me because I've heard all my life that this is America and we can become whatever we want to be if we try long enough and hard enough. If that's not true, it annoys me greatly because I don't want a belief I've held so dear, for so long, to be false.

Note: I don't want to do emergency medicine (I don't even want to be a vet) and I am not accusing anybody of being stupid.

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There absolutely can be a "too stupid" or perhaps more gently put, "not intelligent enough" (or, perhaps not). No one can be whatever they want to be. There are plenty of people who are not smart enough to be doctors, lawyers, nurses, plumbers, or <insert career here>. Not everyone is capable of getting fit enough to participate in Olympic or professional sports. Everyone has limiting weaknesses that preclude their participation in some aspect of life's many, many offerings. Intelligence is a limiting weakness for many people. Physical fitness or characteristics (height, reach, natural speed or dexterity) is a limiting weakness for many others. For some, it's creativity or artistic talent (the ability to draw, create, paint, build, etc.).

I will never, ever be a fighter pilot. Ever. Besides having vision problems, I also have mild asthma and definite hay fever. No fighter pilot-ness for me. I undergo the same application process to the air force as would a person with perfect vision, no allergies, and no asthma. However, that person would have a chance at piloting a fighter jet. I do not. But I am given the opportunity to apply, even if I know I will be turned down.

In America, the dream is not that we can be whatever we want to be. It is that we are all given the same opportunity.
 
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I've been pondering the meaning of "only the brightest of students can do emergency medicine" because that statement can be reworded into "most students are not smart enough to do emergency medicine" or even "most students are too stupid to do emergency medicine". Is it really possible for somebody to put years, and years of intense effort into learning emergency medicine, and it do them no good, because their brains are incapable of the required intelect?

If this is true then it annoys me because I've heard all my life that this is America and we can become whatever we want to be if we try long enough and hard enough. If that's not true, it annoys me greatly because I don't want a belief I've held so dear, for so long, to be false.

Note: I don't want to do emergency medicine (I don't even want to be a vet) and I am not accusing anybody of being stupid.

While I do think it's possible for someone to put years and years of intense effort into something they still don't excel at, I doubt it's a matter of the lack of intellect. I think this is more a function of someone's personality type, as in whether or not stress exhilarates or exhausts them.

Because you can be the brightest person there with an IQ of 5 thousand (what five thousand?!), and you can explain the pathophys of everything on paper, but if stress makes you forget 20 years of studies you'll still be classified as a dunce.
 
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Because you can be the brightest person there with an IQ of 5 thousand (what five thousand?!)...
I think you meant, over 9000!
 
I think you meant, over 9000!

My bad. I meant, What?! 9000?!?! (quote, Nappa).

Clearly I don't have the intellect to reference DBZ cartoons :(. That's why I chose a career in veterinary medicine :D.
 
I'm a bit confused as to the point of this thread if the OP doesn't even want to be a vet. I guess all I can say is in response to this:

If this is true then it annoys me because I've heard all my life that this is America and we can become whatever we want to be if we try long enough and hard enough. If that's not true, it annoys me greatly because I don't want a belief I've held so dear, for so long, to be false.
There's a lot of stuff you've probably heard all your life, especially in regards to America (or more specifically, the USA), that you might want to re-examine now that you're older.
 
Some people are more suited to certain roles within vet med (some people should not be talking to clients :laugh:). However, I think, as a vet, you can perform any duty associated with being a vet. If you're smart enough to get into vet school and pass your boards, I think the tiny little differences in intelligence matter little.
 
Please, please tell me that typo ('our' for 'are') was an intentional attempt at humor. ;-)

Total typo, that is what you get for trying to type and link on your phone. :laugh:
 
Total typo, that is what you get for trying to type and link on your phone. :laugh:

Dammit. I saw you made the correction, and I tried to figure out how to delete my snarky response, but I failed miserably. I guess your error and my jibe make us unsuitable for emergency medicine. :)
 
Dammit. I saw you made the correction, and I tried to figure out how to delete my snarky response, but I failed miserably. I guess your error and my jibe make us unsuitable for emergency medicine. :)

Or undeniably qualified, with our ultimate use and speed of a keyboard anything is possible.
 
I'm a bit confused as to the point of this thread if the OP doesn't even want to be a vet. I guess all I can say is in response to this:

There's a lot of stuff you've probably heard all your life, especially in regards to America (or more specifically, the USA), that you might want to re-examine now that you're older.

I am confused as well (by your response) because I don't see why my choice not to pursue the DVM degree would affect my interest in veterinary-related topics. I still like veterinary medicine--it's still my favorite subject to think about, read about, and discuss--but there are many components of actually living my life as a vet that are not for me: a vet's staggering amount of debt being one of those things.
 
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There are many components of actually living my life as a vet that are not for me: a vet's staggering amount of debt being one of those things.


Sorry, this is off topic of your post, but of all aspects of vet med, that was the one thing you picked to cite?
 
Of course it's possible to be "too stupid" to do certain things, though that's a pretty harsh way of saying it. Being in America doesn't give people magical abilities; we all work within the limits that we are born.
 
Lately, I was thinking if it's possible for someone to be "not bright enough" to go to vet school... :rolleyes:
 
I don't think it's that someone may not be 'smart enough', it's that they don't have the tools to do a certain aspect of medicine. There are many MD's who I do not feel could be neurosurgeons, for instance. While most of us will have similar qualities that will allow us to become successful vets, we must also possess certain qualities to be in a particular speciality, or area, of the profession. Different parts of vet med require some qualities more than others, such as the ability for precision, patience, ability to think clearly when all hell is breaking loose, etc. I think it's a combination of personality, intelligence and thought process, as to what your capabilities are in a particular career.
 
I'm also with kaydubs on this one. When I saw the title of this thread, all I could think was...what?

You make who you are. Sure, you're born with certain abilities - some people love math, some people love chemistry, heck some people are even crazy about playing the piano. But, it is your academic self that decides how smart you're going to be. For instance, I fail at chemistry. I just can't grasp the concept of it. But, I never cared in high school and never really studied for it. Biology, on the other hand, I went above and beyond to take those classes including Advanced Placement. And, I make A's in all of those.

A perfect example of this is Biology I. At my university, we call it the weed out course. If you're not willing to dedicate the time to studying and learning the material, you will fail and you will not move on. It's a simple instance of willpower.

If you want to be "smart enough" and truly want to do well, then you can do well.
 
I guess, for the purposes of answering the question, you would have to define exactly what "too stupid" means (which is a pretty broad statement), and who you are referring to in the topic of this post. Yes, some people actually mentally lack the ability to pursue certain areas of intellectual growth. Does this make them "stupid"? Well, it's all in how you define it.
If you are talking about anyone on this thread, however, and the ability of any one of us to pursue any field of veterinary medicine, then I would say no, none of us are incapable of studying and excelling in whatever field we choose. It's just a matter of how much effort we are willing and capable of putting into it.
 
First, it isn't true that you can be anything you want to be just by existing in America. If your folks immigrate 4 hours after your born, you can't be president. I can't be a pro-football player, if you have certain disabilities, you can't be a DVM.

I'm not sure why we insist on deluding kids on this point, but it angers me, because it makes folks think that if John Doe didn't become a fortune 500 business CEO its only because he as a lazy, unambitious slug. Or if someone didn't get the education and training in their strong skill sets and now can't figure out how to hold down employment that brings them out of poverty, the fact that they spent more days working in fields than going to school (and while that may be corrected by going to school when they are older, it's a hard gap to close.) Now, I'm not suggesting anyone shouldn't do their absolute best to get where they want to, and that alot can be overcome with dedication, training, networking, etc. But it isn't as simple as 'work hard and you'll get there.' My parents believed this myth, and now my father, who has worked his way up through the same company since he was 16 years old can't get a decent position because the current owner of the company requires a college degree (dad doesn't even have a GED.) And that doesn't even come down to intelligence; he wins industry awards every year, but the lack of a piece of paper is holding him back...but going to school for 4 years in the field that he WRITES the tecnical manuals for problem solving doens't make a lot of sense either.

I would say there are people who don't have the intellectual capacity to do some things, just as I don't have the athletic capacity or body structure to be an olympic gymnast. My younger cousin has severe autism. Adore him, he is amazing at some things, but he could never be a doctor. And it doesn't even have to be intelligence; it can be strengths/weaknesses. I can't do repetitive motion factory line work because my nerve conductions fail the repetitive motion tests.

I'd think emergency work has more to do with temperment than intelligence.
 
Virtually every notable figure in science and math (that I've heard of) excelled at science and math at a very young age.

Personally, the smartest person I've known was some kid that grew up down the street from me. He was offered a job at Google a year before he finished his degree. He competed around the world, in various computer programming competitions. He left Google for greener pastures.

He was also the smartest kid I knew in the 2nd grade, when I met him.

I would venture to guess the same would be true of athletes, although, I suspect puberty might mess that up. I do know the star of my high school football team was also the star of my pee-wee football team at age 6.

Your success in some particular thing is going to be a combination of natural aptitude and practice. I think, depending on the thing, natural aptitude will matter more or less. For the vast majority of people, 'normal' people, without some learning disability, they can make up for a lack of aptitude with hard work and dedication. You don't have to be in the 99.99th percentile to become a doctor or a lawyer. You do have to work hard. But, it's very unlikely you'll ever be the best at something if you don't also have the natural aptitude for it. I mean, we have phrases like 'a swimmer's body' because, if you want to win a Gold Medal in the Olympics, you really *need* to have that body, that natural aptitude, and a great work ethic.

Thankfully, most of our life goals are far more obtainable than winning gold in the Olympics. Still, I wouldn't say 'anyone can do anything with hardwork and dedication'.
 
Your success in some particular thing is going to be a combination of natural aptitude and practice.

I'd add exposure/environment/socioeconomic status. Gates and Jobs both became some of the best in computing partly because they each had access to computing technology as teenagers, something that still isn't true of many in impoverished populations. In my husband's county, sports are all pay to play; if you can't pay, you don't get to play. If you don't get to play sports until you are an adult, the liklihood of athletic scholarships and other oppurtunities go down.

Gladwell's book, Outliers, talks about this alot.

I think this may have been less true in some populations in the US 150 years ago, when an individual could study on their own and become a lawyer or find a mentor to become a doctor. When there were multiple ways to achieve credentials.
 
I'd add exposure/environment/socioeconomic status. Gates and Jobs both became some of the best in computing partly because they each had access to computing technology as teenagers, something that still isn't true of many in impoverished populations. In my husband's county, sports are all pay to play; if you can't pay, you don't get to play. If you don't get to play sports until you are an adult, the liklihood of athletic scholarships and other oppurtunities go down.

Gladwell's book, Outliers, talks about this alot.

I think this may have been less true in some populations in the US 150 years ago, when an individual could study on their own and become a lawyer or find a mentor to become a doctor. When there were multiple ways to achieve credentials.

Oh yeah - big time. I'm sorry, I didn't mean that success would only be aptitude and hardwork (even though that's exactly what I wrote).
 
I think this may have been less true in some populations in the US 150 years ago, when an individual could study on their own and become a lawyer or find a mentor to become a doctor. When there were multiple ways to achieve credentials.
Well the information base from 150 years ago was significantly smaller. I would not want a physician treating me who had just read a 'prepare for the board exam!' book, memorized the hell out of it, and doesn't know what they're actually doing. Them going through med school gives me that piece of mind, at least, that they picked up something somewhere along the way to have survived 4 years.
 
Well the information base from 150 years ago was significantly smaller. I would not want a physician treating me who had just read a 'prepare for the board exam!' book, memorized the hell out of it, and doesn't know what they're actually doing. Them going through med school gives me that piece of mind, at least, that they picked up something somewhere along the way to have survived 4 years.

I wasn't saying the change wasn't necessary (though I do feel there is room for interning into some positions and am sad that some states are no longer allowing vet assistants to sit the tech exam without a specific education) but that I believe this concept originated with westward expansion and pioneering, and has become a myth that we delude children with today in attempts to inspire them to work harder and to justify the concept that we (me, others) are where we are at getting a prestigious (I believe any medical education is prestigious) education based solely on our hard work and merits...when the reality is we've all had some oppurtunities along the way that really aren't extended to everyone.

I do understand why there are education requirements, I'm just not as convinced as some people that everyone becomes the best person by following the standard route. That's kind of like residency. Do you have to do a traditional internship/residency to become a vet specialist? Is it possible to take an alternative path? Some specialities have said it is, though those who take advantage of that are few and far between. I honestly don't believe attendance at med school guarantees quality in medicine; just too much individual impact. Do I, off the top of my head, know an absolutly better system? no. Am I a proponent of eliminating vet school? no. Just pointing out that the last president that we had who was truely impoverished as a child pulled himself out of poverty because he could self-educate and credential based on that self education and i think that contributes the the myth.
 
Of course it's possible to be "too stupid" to do certain things, though that's a pretty harsh way of saying it. Being in America doesn't give people magical abilities; we all work within the limits that we are born.

:thumbup: and of course as others said it depends in part on the opportunities that become available to us when we're younger. Who knows how many smarties are out there who could cure a disease or do something great but never had the exposure and are now doing some mundane job.

First, it isn't true that you can be anything you want to be just by existing in America. If your folks immigrate 4 hours after your born, you can't be president. I can't be a pro-football player, if you have certain disabilities, you can't be a DVM.

I'm not sure why we insist on deluding kids on this point, but it angers me.

it reminds me of the 'everyone's a winner'! attitude parents teach their kids too. "Ohhh you lost but you get a trophy anyways! "...no, you don't. People win and people lose and it's important to realize that sometimes things don't go your way. Sometimes people ARE better than you at something. And if you want it you better work hard for it. Maybe it won't be enough, well hey, that's life too.

Sorry OP, but your outlook on life in America just isn't true. The USA is a great country, but living here doesn't give you a free pass to become anything you want. It just means that you won't be forced to be a mechanic because your dad's a mechanic etc. There are opportunities to succeed and opportunities to fail. The American Dream is that hope that you will be one of the ones who succeeds, but a quick look around can show you, not everyone does.
 
I think the poster was looking for moral support, maybe not "yeah! Be an astronaut! " but "yes you have a chance." I dont know whats wrong with everyone lately but apparently some have forgotten at one point they were a struggling high school or undergrad. Im not saying fill people with false hopes but, be supportive. It's not going to hurt you. The end.
 
I'm still trying to wrap my head around what this thread is even about. Does that make me stupid?:uhno: Just saying...
 
I think the poster was looking for moral support, maybe not "yeah! Be an astronaut! " but "yes you have a chance." I dont know whats wrong with everyone lately but apparently some have forgotten at one point they were a struggling high school or undergrad. Im not saying fill people with false hopes but, be supportive. It's not going to hurt you. The end.

Moral support? But spicykimchi even said s/he didn't want to be a vet, so I'm not sure where the moral support is coming from. S/he asked if someone can be "too stupid" to do something, and while I wouldn't put it in those words, it's not unreasonable to say "No, you can't do anything you want". I will never be a chemist. My brain just doesn't work in a way that lets me "get" chemistry. A friend of mine is a fantastic writer by she doesn't "get" foreign languages, so she'll never be a polyglot. I don't think people are too stupid to do certain things, we just all have different aptitudes, and I don't think it's unrealistic or even bad to acknowledge that.
 
Yes, there are some that are "too stupid" to do certain things, but what do I know?
 
I think the poster was looking for moral support, maybe not "yeah! Be an astronaut! " but "yes you have a chance." I dont know whats wrong with everyone lately but apparently some have forgotten at one point they were a struggling high school or undergrad. Im not saying fill people with false hopes but, be supportive. It's not going to hurt you. The end.

I think being realistic is better than being 100% supportive all the time. sorry.
 
I think the poster was looking for moral support, maybe not "yeah! Be an astronaut! " but "yes you have a chance." I dont know whats wrong with everyone lately but apparently some have forgotten at one point they were a struggling high school or undergrad. Im not saying fill people with false hopes but, be supportive. It's not going to hurt you. The end.


No, I am not looking for moral support. I like trying to figure things out and believed this would be an interesting discussion to involve others in. I had been thinking about how the phrase "I'm too stupid" is thrown around so casually (usually by people who are frustrated with something) and wondered what "too stupid" really even means--and if it's ever true. I acknowledged that if I do indeed determine that someone can be "too stupid" (whatever that means) I would accept it, eventhough I do not want to. I would not like the idea of knowing I and everyone else around me all have the potential to never amount to anything. Such a thought makes me sad and angry.

I thought this subject was appropriate for a vet forum because hearing how emergency medicine requires the "brightest" minds is what stimulated all this in my mind in the first place.
 
Okay I was just making sure :) you never know what someones intentions are.
 
I'm also wondering how to distinguish between somebody who does not use their academic ability (could do awesome but they're lazy, don't try, discouraged, whatever) and someone who couldn't succeed no matter how hard they tried because the academic ability is not there. This determination is NOT easy to make.

Also you hear sometimes about games and whatnot that will "make you smarter". A person can become smarter? What does this say about academic ability? Is it not static? Is it something that will grow with use and with the accusition of study skill knowledge?

I am struggling with wanting to know the answers to these questions: can someone, assuming they don't have a mental dissability, really be "stupid" or is it a myth perpetuated by people who get frustrated easily? (Note: No offence intended toward people who have true mental dissabilities.)

Most people I know who say they are are dumb and say they can't succeed: they don't even try!!! Example: A friend in Biology that didn't even study for the test, and bombed it, said "I failed it because I am stupid." She failed because she didn't even try to learn the material!
 
I'm also wondering how to distinguish between somebody who does not use their academic ability (could do awesome but they're lazy, don't try, discouraged, whatever) and someone who couldn't succeed no matter how hard they tried because the academic ability is not there. This determination is NOT easy to make.

Also you hear sometimes about games and whatnot that will "make you smarter". A person can become smarter? What does this say about academic ability? Is it not static? Is it something that will grow with use and with the accusition of study skill knowledge?

I am struggling with wanting to know the answers to these questions: can someone, assuming they don't have a mental dissability, really be "stupid" or is it a myth perpetuated by people who get frustrated easily? (Note: No offence intended toward people who have true mental dissabilities.)

Most people I know who say they are are dumb and say they can't succeed: they don't even try!!! Example: A friend in Biology that didn't even study for the test, and bombed it, said "I failed it because I am stupid." She failed because she didn't even try to learn the material!

*Grabs some popcorn*

I think people can (and do) argue this topic at great length. But, generally speaking, I think the word you are looking for is intelligence. At least in theory, that's supposed to be someone's aptitude for learning and understanding.

There isn't really a good way to measure intelligence (arguably), and people will argue over what exactly it means, but it's entirely different from being knowledgeable or educated.

Truthfully, I don't know if there is any real cut-off. You don't think you could say, 'Well, you need an IQ of 50 to understand fractions and an IQ of 85 if you want to pass calculus.

Mental abilities/aptitude is so much harder to measure than physical traits. And people love stories of the underdog succeeding (OMG! I heard Einstein couldn't pass high school math! And look how smart he turned out to be. (Good story, but not true, lol)).

There are a ton of studies and conflicting information; but I think this chart is interesting.

http://www.woosk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/iq.jpg
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It would suggest that having a low IQ makes it very difficult to succeed in certain professions (IE - Doctor/Vet). But it also shows that having a high IQ doesn't mean you are destined to be a College Professor either. And, for any given profession, there is a pretty significantly wide range.
 
Kinda off topic, but spicykimchi reminded me of this.

I was in the cafeteria one day when I "overheard" a girl (she was practically yelling) telling her friend that she bombed the bio 104 midterm (EASY COURSE!). "Well what did you get?" "A 16!" "Percent???" "Yup, but I don't care. I'm going to flight school in Washington next year to be a flight attendent."

Being "stupid" and "lazy" (for lack of better words) seems to be trendy. Before and after class, people practically scream across the room "Yeah, I did horrible on that test, but I didn't study." or "I've only been to like one class so far. I'm not ready for this midterm."

I think that with a little hard work, people can overcome their weaknesses and do quite well. In some cases though... is it even worth it? Like drwildlife, I am good at biology, horrible at chemistry. I put a lot of hard work into organic I when I retook it, and came out with an average mark. I bet if I take it a third time, I'll get a good mark... but eh... I'll leave it at that.

In vet med though... you can be better at different jobs than others... if you're struggling in one type of job, you could put the effort in to overcome it and make yourself better. But is it really worth it? If you don't excel in one area, one of two things usually happens: you realize that it's not for you and are stressed and unhappy, or other people tell you that you aren't cut out for this job and it leaves you on edge or disappointed. Given the opportunity, I'm thinking most people would leave and try to find what they're good at. I don't know.
 
I'm also wondering how to distinguish between somebody who does not use their academic ability (could do awesome but they're lazy, don't try, discouraged, whatever) and someone who couldn't succeed no matter how hard they tried because the academic ability is not there. This determination is NOT easy to make.

I don't know that anyone can really distinguish between someone not using their academic ability and someone who couldn't in the typical normally functioning person, except perhaps the individual themselves; they are the only one that knows if they are giving something their all. Even then, there are things that might be impacting that person that even the individual isn't aware of (like dyslexia.)

Also you hear sometimes about games and whatnot that will "make you smarter". A person can become smarter? What does this say about academic ability? Is it not static? Is it something that will grow with use and with the accusition of study skill knowledge?

the more connections you make in your mind, the easier it is to pick up new information and integrate it into the information you have. IE if you understand the physiology of the kidney, it's easier to understand pharmacological impacts, pathology, etc. If you understand arithmatic, algebra and geometry are easier, and if you understand those, calculus is easier. Now, there are still some folks that are going to be better or worse at those. IE - my autistic cousin can ID every song he ever hears by name and artist after hearing it only once. I can't ID any artisits by songs, and can't remember any lyrics. I can do calculus, he can't get past division. Now, could we both make progress if we worked really hard on our weak areas? probably, but is it the best use of our time and how would it make us feel?

I am struggling with wanting to know the answers to these questions: can someone, assuming they don't have a mental dissability, really be "stupid" or is it a myth perpetuated by people who get frustrated easily? (Note: No offence intended toward people who have true mental dissabilities.)

Hmmm...I don't tend to use that word, so that's hard to answer. I had a friend in high school that a lot of folks would have called stupid. He studied intensely (far more than I did), worked really hard, was a very nice, kind guy. I feel confident he gave his all, all of the time. No matter what, he was always a C/D student. I have so much respect for him, because I think it was far harder on him than it was for me. I imagine he felt, in high school, like I do in vet school (where some courses, no matter how much I study, can I get above a C in.)

I do feel stupid when I make foolish mistakes. When I panic during an exam, or look back on an exam and wonder 'why on earth did I mark THAT answer?' I also always wonder 'would it have been better if I studied more? and sometimes the answer is yes, but sometimes the answer is no (I;m really terrible at memorizing random details.)
 
It would suggest that having a low IQ makes it very difficult to succeed in certain professions (IE - Doctor/Vet). But it also shows that having a high IQ doesn't mean you are destined to be a College Professor either. And, for any given profession, there is a pretty significantly wide range.

Don't forget that IQ is also impacted heavily by socioeconomic constraints and cultural artifact, and that EQ also impacts success. You can be brilliant but if you can't relay that to other people in some fashion, you may never succeed.
 
This is a guess, but after sitting here and thinking, I suppose I've been using the word "stupid" because it is a word that has surrounded me, for better or for worse, my whole life: a word that I've never come to terms with what it really means and thus don't know its power to influence my life or the lives of people whom I care about. What is stupid? Am I stupid in some way? Is anyone I know stupid? Are there degrees of stupid or is stupid merely a state of unable to achieve, despite reasonable hard effort?

When I was younger (high school and below) I didn't really get any A's. I forgot to do a lot of homework, and did so-so on tests. I believed it was because I was stupid. I called myself that a lot: stupid. I was convinced I was stupid and lacked any intelligence. Later on I realized that it is ludacris to expect to be an A student when I wasn't putting in any effort! I worked harder, and started getting a lot of A's. I started thinking "Maybe there is no such thing as a stupid person. Maybe people who think that about themselves aren't trying very hard." but once I heard the comment about emergency medicine requiring the "brightest" students I realized that for a student to be "brightest" there have to be many other students whom are not so bright. I realized those students could fall under my old definition of "stupid": those who are mentally incapable of achieving what they are trying to achieve. (I know it sounds so horrible for me to be using the word "stupid" instead of some other word but bare with me.)

So I wonder? Am I "stupid" in any areas? Should I feel bad when I discover this? What about my friends? Was I wrong about them? Do they do bad in school for reasons other than their lack of motivation? Would it not make a difference if they worked harder? It's scary.

This all said, I have something new and interesting to ponder: Is there a correlation between subjects people like and subjects they are good at? Using myself as an example, could the fact I like Chemistry and anatomy be related to the fact I am good at it? Does one fact cause the other?

Why do people tend to be good at the subjects they like? Do they like the subject beause they are good at it, or are they not naturally good at it, but their intense love inspires them to put in immense effort, which makes them achieve?
 
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This all said, I have something new and interesting to ponder: Is there a correlation between subjects people like and subjects they are good at? Using myself as an example, could the fact I like Chemistry and anatomy be related to the fact I am good at it? Does one fact cause the other?

I don't think you can draw a conclusion as to why any one person is good or bad at any one subject. I actually liked physics. I had to put a ton of time into it, because it didn't come naturally to me, but I did think it was neat. I had A+'s in Gen Chem I and II, but I hated the class. It wasn't relevant to me, it wasn't interesting, and I was lucky to find it easy. Orgo I was the double edged sword of being impossible for me to understand AND boring as all hell to me. I definitely know people who claim they're stupid at certain subjects when they just aren't putting in the time, but I also know people (like me and Orgo, friend and French) who put in the time, work our asses off and Just Don't Get It. Lots of people hate Stats with a passion. It clicked for me, I barely put any time at all into it and came out with A+ both semesters. Everyone is different and you can't draw conclusions at large.
 
I was in the cafeteria one day when I "overheard" a girl (she was practically yelling) telling her friend that she bombed the bio 104 midterm (EASY COURSE!). "Well what did you get?" "A 16!" "Percent???" "Yup, but I don't care. I'm going to flight school in Washington next year to be a flight attendent."

Being "stupid" and "lazy" (for lack of better words) seems to be trendy. Before and after class, people practically scream across the room "Yeah, I did horrible on that test, but I didn't study." or "I've only been to like one class so far. I'm not ready for this midterm."


Yeah, I've noticed that at school too. Had a math course recently where about a third of the class never showed up except for tests (guess someone was telling them when to show up). Have had chemistry lab partners fail the course for missing three labs, don't seem to realize that rule was in the syllabus (too bad we don't get to pick who we get stuck with in labs).

For all our sakes, I sure hope there are a lot of people like this thinking they're going to go to vet school. :D
 
this is turning into a freak show :corny:

i just checked....yes, there is spell check on here.
 
We rollin on twenties with the top back
So much money - you can't stop that
Twin glock .40's cocked back
Me and my homies, so drop that


If you haven't seen this yet, you've got to...UC-Davis Wet Lab "Vet Dreamz" rap song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpacA-yMCLs

Want more?

UC-Davis Wet Lab Bone Box feat. Flapp Dogg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm4VMBExw-E&feature=watch_response

UC-Davis Phantom of P-Chemistry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtsnnJEex0g&NR=1

UGA - Necrosis (Taylor Swift/Tim McGraw Parody)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i6Xw2gbIIM&feature=related

Auburn Young Money Vets - Colic Stop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQVt99YfccE&feature=related

MSU Hyperthyroidism (to Ice, Ice Baby)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-onkcGdgoE&feature=related

Hill's Vet Students of Genius - Mr. Everyday Cowboy Hat Wearer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6RrEoM4HaQ&feature=related

DKA (to Black-Eyed Peas Boom, Boom, Pow)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDMaolXm_yI&NR=1

WSU - Green Glove Dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v9ATis8U6w&feature=related

MSU Feline Acromegaly (to Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRGQiTbWMxk&feature=fvw

Auburn HYPP music video (to YMCA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF5xs0pllPk&feature=related

WSU - Napoleon Dynamite Goes to Vet School
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngLlAsTJ6ho&feature=related

WSU - Surgeons vs. Internists (to Michael Jackson's Beat It)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pY0RI8J7R4&feature=related

Indiana Jones - Cecum of Doom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fREF5Z0nPA&feature=related

Auburn - Freecolicreport dot com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmMo95iVVTA&NR=1

MSU - Canine Hyperadrenocorticism (to Baby's Got Back)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0TfD6t4QM0&feature=related
 
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