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HiddenTruth · 10-10-2003, 08:29 AM

Hey guys...I recently heard that some of my classmates take this drug referred to as "adderol"...I guess it it makes you super foccused. I am not so sure abt it. I was wondering if you guys knew much abt the drug (perhaps the pharm ppl...side effects..addiciton).....and if you know medical students that take it frequently. I was shocked to hear that 25-30% of my class was on it. ....and that people sell it to each other. Let me hear some feedback. Thanks.

~~ckent~~ · 10-10-2003, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HiddenTruth
Hey guys...I recently heard that some of my classmates take this drug referred to as "adderol"...I guess it it makes you super foccused. I am not so sure abt it. I was wondering if you guys knew much abt the drug (perhaps the pharm ppl...side effects..addiciton).....and if you know medical students that take it frequently. I was shocked to hear that 25-30% of my class was on it. ....and that people sell it to each other. Let me hear some feedback. Thanks.

25-30% of your class?! And they're selling it to each other?! I hope that you are kidding. Adderall is the trade name for amphetamine (aka speed), used to treat ADHD and narcolepsy. It's DEA schedule II, meaning that your classmates could be facing some serious time if they are indeed abusing/selling the drug. You risk losing your chance to ever get a medical license if you mess with the pharmacy laws (eg selling your old prescriptions for a profit), I don't know why anyone would risk that. I imagine that the drug does make you more focused, but I wouldn't recc for anyone to use it who wasn't prescribed it by an ADHD/narcolepsy specialist or psychiatrist.

Adcadet · 10-10-2003, 08:59 AM

below is from Micromedex:

AMPHETAMINE/DEXTROAMPHETAMINE
Common Tradenames (See Complete Tradename Listing)
ADDERALL
ADDERALL XR
Class
amphetamine
central nervous system
stimulant
Dosage, Adult (usual)
Narcolepsy: 5-60 mg/day ORALLY in divided doses
Dosage, Pediatric, (usual)
not FDA approved in children under 3 years of age
Attention deficit hyperactive disorder (ADHD): (6 yr and older) extended release, initial 10 mg ORALLY every morning; may increase daily dose in 10 mg increments at weekly intervals until optimal response; MAX 30 mg/day
ADHD: (age 3-5 yr) immediate release, initial 2.5 mg ORALLY every morning; may increase daily dose in 2.5 mg increments at weekly intervals until optimal response
ADHD: (age 6 yr and older) initial 5 mg ORALLY once or twice daily; may increase daily dose in 5 mg increments at weekly intervals until optimal response; MAX 40 mg/day
Narcolepsy: (age 6-12 yr) 5 mg ORALLY once daily; may increase daily dose in 5 mg increments at weekly intervals until optimal response
Narcolepsy: (age 12 yr and older) 10 mg ORALLY once daily; may increase daily dose in 10 mg increments at weekly intervals until optimal response
Administration
adjust dose weekly
avoid late evening doses due to resulting insomnia
give first dose on awakening, additional doses at 4-6 hr intervals
take extended release CAP whole, may sprinkle contents on applesauce, do not chew
Monitoring
blood pressure and pulse at regular intervals, especially patients with hypertension
growth of pediatric patients during treatment
How Supplied
10 MG, 20 MG, 30 MG CER
5 MG, 10 MG, 20 MG TAB
Indications
FDA labeled indications
Attention deficit hyperactive disorder (ADHD; extended release formulation, pediatric patients only)
Narcolepsy (immediate release formulation only)
Contraindications
advance arteriosclerosis, symptomatic cardiovascular disease
agitated states
glaucoma
history of drug abuse
hypersensitivity/idiosyncrasy to sympathomimetic amines
hyperthyroidism
MAOI therapy within 14 days
moderate to severe hypertension
Precautions
long-term use may be associated with growth inhibition
pediatric psychosis
avoid abrupt discontinuation in patients with prolonged exposure
may exacerbate motor and phonic tics and Tourette's syndrome
mild hypertension
Adverse Effects
COMMON
abdominal pain, anorexia, dry mouth, weight loss
dysphoria, euphoria, headache, tremor
insomnia, nervousness, restlessness
SERIOUS
allergic reaction (rare)
chest pain (rare)
hyperthermia (rare)
irregular heartbeat, hypertension, palpitation, tachycardia
psychotic episodes (with prolonged use)
severe central nervous system stimulation, Tourette's syndrome
Drug Interactions
acetazolamide
clorgyline
furazolidone
guanethidine
iproniazid
isocarboxazid
moclobemide
nialamide
pargyline
phenelzine
procarbazine
selegiline
sibutramine
sodium bicarbonate
toloxatone
tranylcypromine
Pregnancy Category
C
Breast Feeding
unsafe
Notes
U.S. Schedule II controlled substance
may interfere with urinary steroid determinations

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
? 1974 - 2003 Thomson MICROMEDEX. All rights reserved. MICROMEDEX(R) Healthcare Series Vol. 117 expires 9/2003
- Content for use only by healthcare professionals in conjunction with clinical data. See complete Warranties and disclaimers.Below is from micromedex

**DrQuinn** · 10-10-2003, 05:49 PM

If an average person did take Adderall, you would focus better. That's just the way the drug works.

You'd be surprised how many of your classmates do drugs, smoke pot, use amphetamines, snort cocaine, and have promiscuous sex. Its more than you think.

Q, DO

klinzou · 10-10-2003, 05:55 PM

And how many USED to do all those things

HiddenTruth · 10-10-2003, 05:56 PM

Q,

Does the drug have a lot of "bad" side effects if an avg person takes it...addiction probs?

**DrQuinn** · 10-10-2003, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HiddenTruth
Q,

Does the drug have a lot of "bad" side effects if an avg person takes it...addiction probs?

It most definately can be addicting. And when does a person stop? When they hit 3rd year rotations? How will they concentrate during a 6 hour surgery on their surgical rotation? Or after Step 2? What about those on call nights as an intern? Your first shift as an attending?

It is contraindicated in people with drug abuse for those reasons, it is definately addicting.

I prefer Diet Mountain Dew myself.

Q, DO

klinzou · 10-10-2003, 07:45 PM

I'm addicted to Diet Mtn Dew. I swear it has to be worse than taking adderall. When you are on 6 bottles of the stuff a day, you know you have a problem...

Oh well. The saccharine probably causes cancer anyway.

Sessamoid · 10-10-2003, 08:40 PM

Indeed, selling your Rx amphetamines or narcotics is IIRC a FELONY. If your classmates are doing this, tell them to stop. Not only will this result in losing all chance of any career in medicine if they get caught during med school, but there is the fairly real possibility of jail time. Thanks to the War On Drugs, there are federally mandated minimal sentences for most drug-dealing offenses, for which probation will not get you out. Selling your controlled Rx for money in medical school is STUPID BEYOND BELIEF. I personally think anybody this stupid and lacking judgment shouldn't be allowed to graduate from medical school anyway.

Quinn's response on the medication's dangers is spot on. Avoid that stuff unless you're truly ADHD, and diagnosed as such by a qualified specialist.

I know it doesn't seem fair in medical school, because let's face it--amphetamines do help you study and retain information. I'm pretty sure more than a few classmates of mine were on the pill-popping train. Maybe they got what they wanted in medical school, but that's a painful and difficult train to get off of later in life.

jennie 21 · 10-11-2003, 04:34 PM

Adderol is addictive. It's an amphetamine. If you use it regularly, you will get hooked. Plus, there's the possibility of cardiac side effects, etc., especially if you take too much. Unless you truly have ADD/ADHD and have been prescribed Adderol by a doctor, stay away.

Skip Intro · 10-12-2003, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuinnNSU
You'd be surprised how many of your classmates do drugs, smoke pot, use amphetamines, snort cocaine, and have promiscuous sex.

Speaking from personal experience, eh?

**DrQuinn** · 10-12-2003, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skip Intro
Speaking from personal experience, eh?

Believe it or not, I have never use an amphetamine. I tried Percocet once in college, didn't get much from it, in fact I have an old prescription of Percs (from when i stepped on a sting ray) as well as some Vicodin, but I have no interest in popping them.

I've also never done an illicit drug (THC, Heroin, Cocaine, etc) in my life. Nor have I smoked a cigarette.

But I drink like a fish. (er, once or twice a month now since starting internship. My tolerance is that of a girl scout).

Q, DO

HiddenTruth · 10-13-2003, 11:04 AM

Well I appreicate all the feedback. I really wanted to try this jus' to see what the hype is all abt. But obviously the negative effects outweigh the positive effects. Thanks for the input.

Skip Intro · 10-13-2003, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuinnNSU
My tolerance is that of a girl scout.

AWESOME! Read that: cheap date. Are you available? I'll interview at USF, if so.

-Skippity-do-dah

ERMudPhud · 10-13-2003, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skip Intro
AWESOME! Read that: cheap date. Are you available? I'll interview at USF, if so.

-Skippity-do-dah

Yet another victim of Quinn's crying game. Check the adam's apple before you get your hopes up.

Skip Intro · 10-13-2003, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ERMudPhud
Yet another victim of Quinn's crying game. Check the adam's apple before you get your hopes up.

Hey, if he looks like his avatar...

**DrQuinn** · 10-13-2003, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ERMudPhud
Yet another victim of Quinn's crying game. Check the adam's apple before you get your hopes up.

amazing what an emery board can rub away.

Q, DO

emedCleo · 10-14-2003, 05:03 PM

While Quinn tells us that he is no addict...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by QuinnNSU
[B]Believe it or not, I have never use an amphetamine. I tried Percocet once in college, didn't get much from it, in fact I have an old prescription of Percs (from when i stepped on a sting ray) as well as some Vicodin, but I have no interest in popping them.

He has just admitted to a baffling behavior...hoarding Percs & Vicodin. Why would anybody who has no interest in using such pills to keep them around? Why do so many non-addicts keep their old narcs right in the medicine cabinet, for their addict friends or poor little kiddies to get their hands on them.

Every recovering prescription pill or heroin addict will admit to you that their loved one's medicine cabinet was a treasure trove of free drugs to either use or sell.

Of course we can't blame Quinn for this one b/c why do docs prescribe so many pain pills for dental care, post-op stuff, etc?

So all you non addicted folks, will you flush your freaking narcotics already! That's what I did with the leftover Percs my significant other gotten for his post-op appy. Doc gave him a script for 30, we filled it for 8, & 36 hours later I flushed 8 pills. Whew, what a relief-- him relapsing back into 20 year narcotic addiction would make post-op incision pain seem like a picnic in the park.

I agree with Quinn on another thing though-- once you start using amphetamines, you may find it hard to stop. If you need to get hooked on something illicit & exciting, I'd stick with promiscuous sex.

On a lighter note, I need a fix. I'm going to jump my recovering addict S.O. now.

cleo

hiphopcutie44 · 10-18-2003, 06:20 PM

a lot of my friends were into adderol and riddilin in undergrad, and i can tell you it is definetly addicting especially if you are an over achiever (which i think that most of us are).

Not to say it doesnt work though, if you are to take i would just recomend on "special" occasions , like right before a final or something.

There are negative side effects, but caffenee has neg side effects too.

HiddenTruth · 10-18-2003, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hiphopcutie44

Not to say it doesnt work though,

Define the term "work" please. Thanks.

10-10-2003, 08:29 AM	#1
HiddenTruth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 892	"Adderol" SDN Members don't see this ad. Hey guys...I recently heard that some of my classmates take this drug referred to as "adderol"...I guess it it makes you super foccused. I am not so sure abt it. I was wondering if you guys knew much abt the drug (perhaps the pharm ppl...side effects..addiciton).....and if you know medical students that take it frequently. I was shocked to hear that 25-30% of my class was on it. ....and that people sell it to each other. Let me hear some feedback. Thanks.

10-10-2003, 08:59 AM	#3
Adcadet Long way from Gate 27 Status: Resident Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 44 deg 1 min 11 sec N, 92 deg 28 min 55 sec W Posts: 2,163	below is from Micromedex: AMPHETAMINE/DEXTROAMPHETAMINE Common Tradenames (See Complete Tradename Listing) ADDERALL ADDERALL XR Class amphetamine central nervous system stimulant Dosage, Adult (usual) Narcolepsy: 5-60 mg/day ORALLY in divided doses Dosage, Pediatric, (usual) not FDA approved in children under 3 years of age Attention deficit hyperactive disorder (ADHD): (6 yr and older) extended release, initial 10 mg ORALLY every morning; may increase daily dose in 10 mg increments at weekly intervals until optimal response; MAX 30 mg/day ADHD: (age 3-5 yr) immediate release, initial 2.5 mg ORALLY every morning; may increase daily dose in 2.5 mg increments at weekly intervals until optimal response ADHD: (age 6 yr and older) initial 5 mg ORALLY once or twice daily; may increase daily dose in 5 mg increments at weekly intervals until optimal response; MAX 40 mg/day Narcolepsy: (age 6-12 yr) 5 mg ORALLY once daily; may increase daily dose in 5 mg increments at weekly intervals until optimal response Narcolepsy: (age 12 yr and older) 10 mg ORALLY once daily; may increase daily dose in 10 mg increments at weekly intervals until optimal response Administration adjust dose weekly avoid late evening doses due to resulting insomnia give first dose on awakening, additional doses at 4-6 hr intervals take extended release CAP whole, may sprinkle contents on applesauce, do not chew Monitoring blood pressure and pulse at regular intervals, especially patients with hypertension growth of pediatric patients during treatment How Supplied 10 MG, 20 MG, 30 MG CER 5 MG, 10 MG, 20 MG TAB Indications FDA labeled indications Attention deficit hyperactive disorder (ADHD; extended release formulation, pediatric patients only) Narcolepsy (immediate release formulation only) Contraindications advance arteriosclerosis, symptomatic cardiovascular disease agitated states glaucoma history of drug abuse hypersensitivity/idiosyncrasy to sympathomimetic amines hyperthyroidism MAOI therapy within 14 days moderate to severe hypertension Precautions long-term use may be associated with growth inhibition pediatric psychosis avoid abrupt discontinuation in patients with prolonged exposure may exacerbate motor and phonic tics and Tourette's syndrome mild hypertension Adverse Effects COMMON abdominal pain, anorexia, dry mouth, weight loss dysphoria, euphoria, headache, tremor insomnia, nervousness, restlessness SERIOUS allergic reaction (rare) chest pain (rare) hyperthermia (rare) irregular heartbeat, hypertension, palpitation, tachycardia psychotic episodes (with prolonged use) severe central nervous system stimulation, Tourette's syndrome Drug Interactions acetazolamide clorgyline furazolidone guanethidine iproniazid isocarboxazid moclobemide nialamide pargyline phenelzine procarbazine selegiline sibutramine sodium bicarbonate toloxatone tranylcypromine Pregnancy Category C Breast Feeding unsafe Notes U.S. Schedule II controlled substance may interfere with urinary steroid determinations -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ? 1974 - 2003 Thomson MICROMEDEX. All rights reserved. MICROMEDEX(R) Healthcare Series Vol. 117 expires 9/2003 - Content for use only by healthcare professionals in conjunction with clinical data. See complete Warranties and disclaimers.Below is from micromedex __________________ iatrogenica imperfecta fulminans vs. normal variant "If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly" -- Ashley Brilliant.

10-10-2003, 05:49 PM	#4
DrQuinn My name is Neo Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 4,161 Blog Entries: 1	If an average person did take Adderall, you would focus better. That's just the way the drug works. You'd be surprised how many of your classmates do drugs, smoke pot, use amphetamines, snort cocaine, and have promiscuous sex. Its more than you think. Q, DO __________________ Author of the PIMP Protector Alumnus: Nova Southeastern University College of Osteopathic Medicine 1999-2003 USF EM Residency Program 2003-2006

10-14-2003, 05:03 PM	#18
emedCleo Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: philly Posts: 56	Peeps, dump the drugs...PLEASE! While Quinn tells us that he is no addict... [QUOTE]Originally posted by QuinnNSU [B]Believe it or not, I have never use an amphetamine. I tried Percocet once in college, didn't get much from it, in fact I have an old prescription of Percs (from when i stepped on a sting ray) as well as some Vicodin, but I have no interest in popping them. He has just admitted to a baffling behavior...hoarding Percs & Vicodin. Why would anybody who has no interest in using such pills to keep them around? Why do so many non-addicts keep their old narcs right in the medicine cabinet, for their addict friends or poor little kiddies to get their hands on them. Every recovering prescription pill or heroin addict will admit to you that their loved one's medicine cabinet was a treasure trove of free drugs to either use or sell. Of course we can't blame Quinn for this one b/c why do docs prescribe so many pain pills for dental care, post-op stuff, etc? So all you non addicted folks, will you flush your freaking narcotics already! That's what I did with the leftover Percs my significant other gotten for his post-op appy. Doc gave him a script for 30, we filled it for 8, & 36 hours later I flushed 8 pills. Whew, what a relief-- him relapsing back into 20 year narcotic addiction would make post-op incision pain seem like a picnic in the park. I agree with Quinn on another thing though-- once you start using amphetamines, you may find it hard to stop. If you need to get hooked on something illicit & exciting, I'd stick with promiscuous sex. On a lighter note, I need a fix. I'm going to jump my recovering addict S.O. now. cleo

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10-10-2003, 05:55 PM	#5
klinzou Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 300	And how many USED to do all those things

10-10-2003, 05:56 PM	#6
HiddenTruth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 892	Q, Does the drug have a lot of "bad" side effects if an avg person takes it...addiction probs?

10-10-2003, 07:45 PM	#8
klinzou Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 300	I'm addicted to Diet Mtn Dew. I swear it has to be worse than taking adderall. When you are on 6 bottles of the stuff a day, you know you have a problem... Oh well. The saccharine probably causes cancer anyway.

10-10-2003, 08:40 PM	#9
Sessamoid 1K Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,654	Indeed, selling your Rx amphetamines or narcotics is IIRC a FELONY. If your classmates are doing this, tell them to stop. Not only will this result in losing all chance of any career in medicine if they get caught during med school, but there is the fairly real possibility of jail time. Thanks to the War On Drugs, there are federally mandated minimal sentences for most drug-dealing offenses, for which probation will not get you out. Selling your controlled Rx for money in medical school is STUPID BEYOND BELIEF. I personally think anybody this stupid and lacking judgment shouldn't be allowed to graduate from medical school anyway. Quinn's response on the medication's dangers is spot on. Avoid that stuff unless you're truly ADHD, and diagnosed as such by a qualified specialist. I know it doesn't seem fair in medical school, because let's face it--amphetamines do help you study and retain information. I'm pretty sure more than a few classmates of mine were on the pill-popping train. Maybe they got what they wanted in medical school, but that's a painful and difficult train to get off of later in life.

10-11-2003, 04:34 PM	#10
jennie 21 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Princeton Posts: 434	Adderol is addictive. It's an amphetamine. If you use it regularly, you will get hooked. Plus, there's the possibility of cardiac side effects, etc., especially if you take too much. Unless you truly have ADD/ADHD and have been prescribed Adderol by a doctor, stay away.

10-13-2003, 11:04 AM	#13
HiddenTruth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 892	Well I appreicate all the feedback. I really wanted to try this jus' to see what the hype is all abt. But obviously the negative effects outweigh the positive effects. Thanks for the input.

10-18-2003, 06:20 PM	#19
hiphopcutie44 Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 35	a lot of my friends were into adderol and riddilin in undergrad, and i can tell you it is definetly addicting especially if you are an over achiever (which i think that most of us are). Not to say it doesnt work though, if you are to take i would just recomend on "special" occasions , like right before a final or something. There are negative side effects, but caffenee has neg side effects too.