harbor-ucla ty

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so my SO and myself have interviews at harbor- well, information sessions.

What are you supposed to wear (it says bus casual-but to be safe, can someone elaborate on this). Also, what is the day like?

PS; this is for the TY if that makes a difference

Originally Posted by hidoc

so my SO and myself have interviews at harbor- well, information sessions.

What are you supposed to wear (it says bus casual-but to be safe, can someone elaborate on this). Also, what is the day like?

PS; this is for the TY if that makes a difference

Don't go. The interview does not influence how they rank you.

You can dress causally (I wouldn't wear shorts but you don't need a tie or anything). You don't have to go but if you want a tour of the hospital and a feel for the place it could be worthwhile.

can anyone tell me about this place in comparison to other TYs? the average TY places that I have interviewed at has the following 5-6 months of electives, 6am-6pm inpatient (3-4months), no icu (or at least 1month), ER... and great support staff. some prelim-med were the same.

thanks for the help.

Harbor has 6 months of electives, but you are very restricted as to which electives you may choose. See: http://www.harbor-ucla.org/transitio...Curriculum.php

The people at harbor seemed nice but you are working at a county hospital. You have 2 months of gen surg and 2 months of gen med. It sounded like you got maybe 2 or 3 months of easy electives but the other months you worked quite a bit. I thought it seemed busier than most of the TY interviews I went to but I applied to places with a reputation for being cush.

This is the general idea I got

-definitely not cush but not awful either. The hard months are hard (cmon it's a county hospital) but the easy months are cake (a TY mentioned she worked like 10-15 hrs a week on derm)

- more surgery months (1 trauma required, 3 electives) than most TY's but less medicine months and the subspecialty surg months aren't terrible

-residents were happy because of location and half their year is easy.

Not the easiest TY by any stretch but probably one of the best if you need to be in LA (the only TY in LA county and only a few prelim meds in LA can compete with it - Huntington Memorial, Kaiser LA)

Originally Posted by 2012mdc

This is the general idea I got

-definitely not cush but not awful either. The hard months are hard (cmon it's a county hospital) but the easy months are cake (a TY mentioned she worked like 10-15 hrs a week on derm)

- more surgery months (1 trauma required, 3 electives) than most TY's but less medicine months and the subspecialty surg months aren't terrible

-residents were happy because of location and half their year is easy.

Not the easiest TY by any stretch but probably one of the best if you need to be in LA (the only TY in LA county and only a few prelim meds in LA can compete with it - Huntington Memorial, Kaiser LA)

I did my TY there a few years ago and it was surprisingly very cush. It was truly the best year of my life and while I didn't work hard at all, I learned quite a bit. It looks like things may have changed slightly (We did 1 month of IM and 1 month of CCU, and we did trauma + a surgical selective for our surg requirement), but still look very reasonable.

As far as rotations,

Derm, Anesthesia, Radiology=vacation. (I'm serious--you don't even have to show up for anesthesia or rads. Derm is a few 1/2 days a week, and actually the attendings are very nice and let you do biopsies and other cool things).

Psych ER was freaking awesome and was only 40 hours a week M-F. I would highly recomend this rotation to everyone...definitely my favorite block of the year.

ER was shift work (about 40 hours a week) and very fair. And you can do this twice as part of your required ER rotation and your 5 elective rotations.

Outpt medicine clinic (40 hours a week M-F). Outpatient peds clinic is even easier if that's still available.

Peds ER: again shift work, 40 hours a week. Very reasonable.

So that's already 8 40 hour or less a week rotations with no call.

IM sucks. It's horrible at Harbor. I hated every second of it, even 1 month of it. I see that you now have to do 2 month of IM vs what I did (1 month of CCU + 1 month of IM). That ain't necessarily a bad thing, though. CCU hours were better, but you shat your pants on call nights when you were the only one in the CCU and alarms were going off everywhere.

All in all, I think the program is awesome. The program director is one of the coolest guys alive btw, and you can work as little or as much as you want. If you want the easy track, see above. If you want to scrub in on surgeries, do ICU rotations, etc. those options are also available to you.

It is a difficult decision to rank when I have not seen the place first hand, but I am taking all your comments to help me with this. Thank you everyone for helping me with this!

Harbor is a lot harder with the new work hour restrictions.

Originally Posted by Reaganite

Derm, Anesthesia, Radiology=vacation. (I'm serious--you don't even have to show up for anesthesia or rads.

How is this even allowed?

Originally Posted by drizzt3117

Harbor is a lot harder with the new work hour restrictions.

It didn't seem too bad but I didn't interview at any of the super cush TY's. I heard those are getting harder too.

I don't understand how new work hour rules make a program harder. If anything you have to reschedule some things around, but generally the total hours should remain the same. In any case, that's what happened at my program. I don't think it's any harder than it was last year.

Originally Posted by Neuronix

I don't understand how new work hour rules make a program harder. If anything you have to reschedule some things around, but generally the total hours should remain the same. In any case, that's what happened at my program. I don't think it's any harder than it was last year.

Some programs that didn't have night float before have taken away elective time in favor of night float. And some use those on elective months to fill in the gaps on night float since you can only do 6 nights in a row instead of 7. These changes are magnified in the smaller programs

Originally Posted by Neuronix

I don't understand how new work hour rules make a program harder. If anything you have to reschedule some things around, but generally the total hours should remain the same. In any case, that's what happened at my program. I don't think it's any harder than it was last year.

Gsurg residents can't take 30h call anymore, so the tys are helping to pick up the slack. I've been told the gs months have brutal amounts of scut.

So for those who got 'interview invite' for harbor ucla ty, is the information session basically the same as the videos that they posted online?

If going to the thing doesn't influence how they rank you and I can get all the information online, then I don't feel like spending money to go

Did they invite everyone who applied? The whole process, from sharing emails to their interview(or lack thereof) is just so different.

In the past, everyone has gotten an interview and the interview does not influence how they rank you