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Originally Posted by Marge

Doctors are held to an unreasonably high standard. We don't ask restaurant managers to be "compassionate" and "altruistic" ... nor do we allow people to use their services without paying, nor do we insist that the population of restaurant managers reflect the composition of the general public.

It's perfectly fine to be in medicine for the pay, prestige, and job security. You'll just have to pretend you like people to get into medical school.

I agree, what matters is competence. If the doctors is kind it's wonderful and most are, but I care far more about technical ability than whether I feel appreciated. I definitely agree about unreimbursed care.

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

rare conditions are more difficult to diagnose because they are rare.... this does not actually reflect the attitudes of your physicians. So in a nutshell you are just venting your frustrations on doctors who tried to help you...... nice

Also, the term "my pain" bugs me.... over utilized in seekers

Lmao not at all, am very grateful for the one who cared so much, but had all of them cared initially I would have saved myself a lot of suffering

Originally Posted by freedomist

Lmao not at all, am very grateful for the one who cared so much, but had all of them cared initially I would have saved myself a lot of suffering

you are still not indicating anything that shows that "care" was the determining factor.

Originally Posted by Marge

Doctors are held to an unreasonably high standard. We don't ask restaurant managers to be "compassionate" and "altruistic" ... nor do we allow people to use their services without paying, nor do we insist that the population of restaurant managers reflect the composition of the general public.

It's perfectly fine to be in medicine for the pay, prestige, and job security. You'll just have to pretend you like people to get into medical school.

I have to disagree because there are rare conditions that require a lot of passion and compassion for the doctor to go the extra mile and help, medicine is not an end in itself, because you can never be done, only the ones who genuinely care are able to provide the best care especially in extreme and difficult cases

Originally Posted by freedomist

I have to disagree because there are rare conditions that require a lot of passion and compassion for the doctor to go the extra mile and help, medicine is not an end in itself, because you can never be done, only the ones who genuinely care are able to provide the best care especially in extreme and difficult cases

No it doesn't require passion and compassion, you need a diagnosis and a treatment.

Originally Posted by freedomist

I have to disagree because there are rare conditions that require a lot of passion and compassion for the doctor to go the extra mile and help, medicine is not an end in itself, because you can never be done, only the ones who genuinely care are able to provide the best care especially in extreme and difficult cases

the "extra mile" is a lot shorter than you may think. It will have much more to do with exposure and experience of the physician than compassion. There is no reason the one who finally helped you wasnt a jaded A-hole who just happened to know what the symptoms meant. Was s/he a specialist of some sort?

Originally Posted by FutureCTDoc

No it doesn't require passion and compassion, you need a diagnosis and a treatment.

depends on the field I'd imagine.

Originally Posted by Holy FranZ

depends on the field I'd imagine.

You could treat empirically I suppose.

You don't have to be compassionate in order to "go the extra mile." Many great discoveries have been made on various factors; such as serendipity, quest for fame, and human curiosity.

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

you are still not indicating anything that shows that "care" was the determining factor.

Alright that doctor was just amazingly competent, compassionate, and caring. After all i had been through, he was like a hero to me. I was already very desperate when I met him. He was so interested in everything I do , and I believe doctors need to care that much to get information that could turn out to be very crucial. He talked to me as a friend, he went the extra mile to get as much information about my interests and was so nice. Before he even went further, just his compassion made me feel better. That compassion added to his competence made my experience so memorable. He got to the roots of my condition with so much sympathy and compassion. I wish all doctors could do the same.

Originally Posted by freedomist

I have to disagree because there are rare conditions that require a lot of passion and compassion for the doctor to go the extra mile and help, medicine is not an end in itself, because you can never be done, only the ones who genuinely care are able to provide the best care especially in extreme and difficult cases

You do realize that rare conditions are...not seen often, right? And it's therefore no surprise that they didn't nail the diagnosis the first time or even the first dozen times?

You do recognize competency is all that matters right?

Ты из Советского Союза?

Originally Posted by TheVillain

Ты из Советского Союза?

I wish I could speak Russian.

Originally Posted by freedomist

Alright that doctor was just amazingly competent, compassionate, and caring. After all i had been through, he was like a hero to me. I was already very desperate when I met him. He was so interested in everything I do , and I believe doctors need to care that much to get information that could turn out to be very crucial. He talked to me as a friend, he went the extra mile to get as much information about my interests and was so nice. Before he even went further, just his compassion made me feel better. That compassion added to his competence made my experience so memorable. He got to the roots of my condition with so much sympathy and compassion. I wish all doctors could do the same.

nobody is knocking you for being thrilled about a cure. I would bet good money that your recollection of that time is colored by the outcome, and the fact that you were younger (assumed because your mom was taking you around) would also factor in to your recollection.

Did your interests play into the diagnosis?

So... you were healed by placebo?

Aside from the crazy parts, your story is well..... nice? but your own personal elation in the matter does not mean that where you are taking compassion is necessarily true. You can believe it if you want... people also believe that alien dust makes them feel bad (assuming that southpark episode was accurate...) that doesnt make it either true or rational.

Originally Posted by thevillain

Ты из Советского Союза?

не

Originally Posted by freedomist

Hi everyone,

I just feel like telling the truth,

Why do you all care about medicine ( right you care about people and you want to help) but the truth is that these guys only care about themselves, once they get their MD/DOs they totally forget about those they once claimed they would care for and are after more prestige, honors, bonuses, and the like. They become arrogant and neglectful, and I have experienced this as a patient, and I honestly want you all to reconsider your aspiration for medicine and be true to yourself.....
For real why don't you guys become food servants or nannies or farmers? honestly cause once these premeds get in medical school they totally forget about the patients, one of my friends in med school once told me that the best residency is the one involving the least contact with patients,,,, Seriously? so why did you go to medical school?
So please, if you are among those who just want to get in medicine for honors, prestige, please, for the sake of patients, quit, because medicine requires sincere passion and compassion.
And what the heck, save yourself from stress, be a teacher, a nanny, a farmer, a food servant..... and be happy,

Teacher?I don't want to hear whiny annoying parents crying that their kid is stupid
Nanny? I don't want to hear whiny annoying parents crying that their kid is on fire
Farmer? I'd rather play Harvest Moon

Originally Posted by freedomist

Alright that doctor was just amazingly competent, compassionate, and caring. After all i had been through, he was like a hero to me. I was already very desperate when I met him. He was so interested in everything I do , and I believe doctors need to care that much to get information that could turn out to be very crucial. He talked to me as a friend, he went the extra mile to get as much information about my interests and was so nice. Before he even went further, just his compassion made me feel better. That compassion added to his competence made my experience so memorable. He got to the roots of my condition with so much sympathy and compassion. I wish all doctors could do the same.

What on earth does any of this mean? I understand that a compassionate doctor gives the warm and fuzzies, but I mean honestly, did your interests really have anything to do with your condition?

The thing you have to understand is that physicians don't want to rush through and spend 10 mins talking with their patients then the next hour writing notes, dealing with paper work, screaming with insurance companies to cover a patient, and a million other things most people can't imagine. I promise you ever single doctor would love to spend an hour talking with you about your life, dreams, and aspirations opposed to that other crap. They cannot though. The system is set up so they see as many people as they can and help them as quickly and efficiently as possible. If your problems were that dependent on someone listening to you, then you should have gone to a psychiatrist who will give you that dedicated time.

I hope freedomist is a troll if not...

Originally Posted by freedomist

I have to disagree because there are rare conditions that require a lot of passion and compassion for the doctor to go the extra mile and help, medicine is not an end in itself, because you can never be done, only the ones who genuinely care are able to provide the best care especially in extreme and difficult cases

False

Originally Posted by TheVillain

You don't have to be compassionate in order to "go the extra mile." Many great discoveries have been made on various factors; such as serendipity, quest for fame, and human curiosity.

Agreed. It's the same B.S. line as "give 110%" You literally, be definition, cannot have 110% of a maximum amount of anything. If you give 110%, then ... you weren't giving 100% before, and now with that extra effort you're just giving 100%. It reminds of my Halo 3 days ... when we were losing my friend would always say, "Okay, NOW I'll start trying." Compassion won't (well, shouldn't) enhance the performance of a doctor. If a doctor isn't doing her best job, it's not compassion she needs -- it's better focus, more intensity, more sleep, etc. If a doc is "compassionate" and thinks she's doing better work, then she was just being lazy before.

Originally Posted by KnuxNole

Teacher?I don't want to hear whiny annoying parents crying that their kid is stupid
Nanny? I don't want to hear whiny annoying parents crying that their kid is on fire
Farmer? I'd rather play Harvest Moon

The farmers I know make more than most PCPs ... it can be quite lucrative. My old roomie's dad was a rancher and, conveniently, they also had oil on their land ... this kid got a $5K / mo allowance from his trust fund to blow on whatever he wanted. I was so freaking jelly.

Let's give this guy a break, perhaps he needs more in his life.

Originally Posted by Marge

False



Agreed. It's the same B.S. line as "give 110%" You literally, be definition, cannot have 110% of a maximum amount of anything. If you give 110%, then ... you weren't giving 100% before, and now with that extra effort you're just giving 100%. It reminds of my Halo 3 days ... when we were losing my friend would always say, "Okay, NOW I'll start trying." Compassion won't (well, shouldn't) enhance the performance of a doctor. If a doctor isn't doing her best job, it's not compassion she needs -- it's better focus, more intensity, more sleep, etc. If a doc is "compassionate" and thinks she's doing better work, then she was just being lazy before.

also compassion is not universal. Nobody cares equally for everybody. so if performance is correlated to compassion per patient.... well that makes for a crappy doctor. A good doctor will give 110% er..... umm.... will give the same level of work and competence regardless of personal feelings for the patient. There is no "extra mile" in medicine.

Originally Posted by Marge

The farmers I know make more than most PCPs ... it can be quite lucrative. My old roomie's dad was a rancher and, conveniently, they also had oil on their land ... this kid got a $5K / mo allowance from his trust fund to blow on whatever he wanted. I was so freaking jelly.

eh.... the LAND OWNERS make plenty of money. but farming is not that lucritive. The ones who farm who make money are the ones who sold the land to retire

Originally Posted by Marge

The farmers I know make more than most PCPs ... it can be quite lucrative. My old roomie's dad was a rancher and, conveniently, they also had oil on their land ... this kid got a $5K / mo allowance from his trust fund to blow on whatever he wanted. I was so freaking jelly.

5K a month! Damn. I am jelly as well

He could get the most decked out horse with that kinda cash

Living on a farm would be pretty cool to experience though.

Quest of Compassionate Doctor

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Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

eh.... the LAND OWNERS make plenty of money. but farming is not that lucritive. The ones who farm who make money are the ones who sold the land to retire

?? They own the land ... they make bank. Farming, ranching, oil/gas ==> big money (not always, but sometimes). At least here in the Midwest. People shopping for new $800,000+ farm equipment every year. It's pretty crazy. My family has ~600 acres but it's not good farming land, just a place to build a little getaway cabin someday.

Originally Posted by Marge

?? They own the land ... they make bank. Farming, ranching, oil/gas ==> big money (not always, but sometimes). At least here in the Midwest. People shopping for new $800,000+ farm equipment every year. It's pretty crazy. My family has ~600 acres but it's not good farming land, just a place to build a little getaway cabin someday.

not all farmers own the land they farm. a good many do, but the business of farming is not what makes the money. There is also a high monetary turnover so margins are usually pretty tight even though they are shelling out for crazy expensive equipment. The oil/gas thing is a little different and not really a midwestern "crop" I'm also from the midwest and basically my entire family was in dairy or crop farming. My parents are the only ones in their generation to not still farm.

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

not all farmers own the land they farm. a good many do, but the business of farming is not what makes the money. There is also a high monetary turnover so margins are usually pretty tight even though they are shelling out for crazy expensive equipment. The oil/gas thing is a little different and not really a midwestern "crop" I'm also from the midwest and basically my entire family was in dairy or crop farming. My parents are the only ones in their generation to not still farm.

Liquid gold brah We just have...pine trees. Lots of pine trees.

OP, I am really curious about your disease... what kind of specialist did you see?

This thread was full of lulz. And specter, fabulous performance as usual

Originally Posted by TheVillain

Ты из Советского Союза?

NO WAY! There are others?!

Originally Posted by FutureCTDoc

не

здарова ребята !!

Originally Posted by Thego2guy

This thread was full of lulz. And specter, fabulous performance as usual



NO WAY! There are others?!




здарова ребята !!

Finals coming up and my brain requires reasons to rebel and procrastinate come summer I may disappear lol

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

Finals coming up and my brain requires reasons to rebel and procrastinate come summer I may disappear lol

Lmao, I am in a similar boat with all of the finals. As you know, I am a big fan of yours

And, at least one of us is going to have a life this summer.

Originally Posted by thego2guy

this thread was full of lulz. And specter, fabulous performance as usual



no way! There are others?!




здарова ребята !!

привет!

Originally Posted by TheVillain

привет!

Aw man! I am super excited now! I think for the sake of rules we shouldn't speak another language, cause you know, Uncle Sam is still paranoid of The Kremlin and whatnot, but its good too see some Russian peeps on here. I always wanted to find a Russian attending on SDN, and ask him what his opinion of Russian medical education is vs. American. My Russian pediatrician managed to persuade me that he doesn't know anything; plus I've had much better experiences with American educated internists. ... sorry for the rant.

Originally Posted by Thego2guy

Lmao, I am in a similar boat with all of the finals. As you know, I am a big fan of yours

And, at least one of us is going to have a life this summer.

I'm too brain fried with physio to keep everyone straight on the boards, but I am pretty sure this is sarcasm

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

I'm too brain fried with physio to keep everyone straight on the boards, but I am pretty sure this is sarcasm

Lmao, clearly your brain is not THAT fried, after all ,you are hustling another compliment out of me. Lol, no, that is certainly not sarcasm. You along a few others here (stumpyman, lizzy, catalystic, mmmcdowe, law2doc etc...) are awesome contributors with fantastic advice. A reservoir of wisdom, so to speak.

I felt like this was an appropriate moment to express some of the love, since lately there have been a bunch of a**holes () trolling around starting ridiculous threads and stating ridiculous assumptions.

Originally Posted by Thego2guy

Aw man! I am super excited now! I think for the sake of rules we shouldn't speak another language, cause you know, Uncle Sam is still paranoid of The Kremlin and whatnot, but its good too see some Russian peeps on here. I always wanted to find a Russian attending on SDN, and ask him what his opinion of Russian medical education is vs. American. My Russian pediatrician managed to persuade me that he doesn't know anything; plus I've had much better experiences with American educated internists. ... sorry for the rant.

Lol, We are the minority. [lower Iron Curtain]

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3p3ky3/

its late and it is hard to keep track of who I scuffle with around here but I do appreciate it when people see that (under the sarcasm) my aim is to help out.

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3p3ky3/

its late and it is hard to keep track of who I scuffle with around here but I do appreciate it when people see that (under the sarcasm) my aim is to help out.

Lol at the meme. I assure you, I am on the lower end of the troll spectrum, so I don't think we would have that problem.

that (under the sarcasm) my aim is to help out.

Haha, I totally understand. To keep things in context with the post though, I suspect that the OP won't be particularly fond of you once you become a physician if you have such a 'heartless' attitude when it comes to helping people. womp womp.

I think the OP is unable to distinguish compassion from competence so there is a solid chance I could cure him and amputate his leg for fun (competently....) and still have him singing my praises lol

Originally Posted by freedomist

I just named a few professions that do not involve crucial responsibilities like medicine. It is LIVES that we will have in our hands. yes granted, am sure there are great doctors out there who do their very best to provide the best possible help, but you cannot ignore the fact that there are also many crappy doctors, whose negligence and arrogance have aggravated my pain. My appeal was to those who are not passionate and compassionate, and who only care about themselves and nothing more. I must apologize if I offended you, it was not my intention, but am sure that many docs and aspiring docs can identify and judge for themselves whether or not they are in for patients or prestige. As a patient, I have been very disappointed with a lot of doctors and that is actually what motivated me to become a physician.

I do not accept your apology becuase it was done with post-tense. Meaning that you are apologize only if you offended me. You should apologize because your generalizations are inaccurate and out of line and out of control.

There's nothing wrong with a doctor who's in it for the money (after all, it's a business, not a probono office), as long he treats well. And he doesn't need to be nice. There is too much political correctness. He can be mean and still treat well.

http://www.mizozo.com/weird/11/2009/...tient-fat.html

I expect a retraction of your original half apology and provide me with a new honest full apology. Thank you.

Originally Posted by tenndoc

Cute thread

You think this is cute?? I guess you really dont care about engineers.

Originally Posted by SunsFun

Preach on, brother. All SDN people talking about dermatology and wanting good lifestyles disgust me. You all need to quit immediately and become pig farmers, or American History teachers, or do both part-time. We are talking about LIVES and is clear that a life of a filthy animal such as pig can never be as important as a life of a human being. Pig farming also involves good amount of manual labor and outdoor activities.

I know many people missed this, but your post is not real. It is full of sarcasm. I am quite sharp at picking up your attempted wit.

Originally Posted by MDschoolorbust

Is there a specific example you'd like to cite here? You just keep saying how a lot of premeds and docs are arrogant, self-centered, and only in it for the "fame".

I'm pretty sure most of us realize that being a doctor isn't sunshines, rainbows, and having three-ways with starlets in Vegas on Saturday nights.

Most of us are genuinely interested in the pursuit of medicine. Where are you getting your information from?

It's not? But I thought all doctors drive porsches and bang supermodels.

I've been duped! If that's the case then why am I toiling long hours? To help people? OH THE HUMANITY. I could have just opened up a used car sales dealership or something.

Originally Posted by VisionaryTics

LIVES, people.

LIVES.

(As you can tell, OP, I'm one of the passionate ones. Nothing like the rest of the scum here.)

According to the OP, since you care, you must be a good doctor.

EVERYONE: that's all that matters, Just care. Dont' worry about diagnosing or treating. JUST CARE.

I CARE!

Originally Posted by mmmmd

Save yourself from stress and be a teacher? good one

Being a teacher is superduper awesome. Parents blame you if their kids are slow. Kid lie about you to their parents and say you're a bad teacher. Parents blame you if they fail an exam cause you aren't teaching well enough. All kids are smart and all kids deserve to be doctors. Everyone's offspring is god's gift to earth and all should get into ivy league schools.

Yea, teaching sounds like a wonderful job.

Originally Posted by TheVillain

Why don't you be "true" to yourself and make me double cheeseburger, hold the pickles though.

But there's no prestige in that. S/he wants the prestige of the MD and the MPH so s/he can spit on us from a "holier than you" pedestal.

Originally Posted by freedomist

hahaha no time to sue anyone they can take everything but they cannot take my passion for medicine and my dedication to patients at least there am superior

I can't see you, you're too high on that pedestal. Where did you go?

Originally Posted by freedomist

I would actually argue that many nurses do a better job at their level than physicians. But thank you for the recommendation am already on my way to becoming a passionate, compassionate and dedicated physician.

Many? So why dont we just get rid of physicians, they're obviously not necessary. Just have nurses around.

Sounds like a grand idea.

Originally Posted by freedomist

Compassion has never excluded talent are you confused? you can be both competent and compassionate. And just like the crappy doctors u already think u know what i need you actually prove my point

That pedestal is growing taller everyday.

Originally Posted by pfaction

Absolutely not. What the OP said is almost 100% true. Pharmacy is the same thing: we spout wanting more patient care, and yet staff hospital pharmacists NEVER see patients, and community pharmacists rarely care about patients. You're in it for the money, don't deny it, just say the golden spiel and move on with your life once you're accepted. I want to laugh when people are so immersed in supposed patient care. You ****ing pre-meds are orgasming and jacking off for patient interaction when I doubt you've had meaningful interactions at all besides wheeling them around and bull**** that's considered "clinical", and when it comes time as med students to go on rounds, you look at their charts, you make the notes, make some pleasantries, and move on.

Because I'm next to you for 8 hours a day.

Engineers don't have to put on their personal statement regurgitations and ejaculations over why they want to be an engineer because of the societal interactions.

Look, I've been in the business for years. I'm old enough to be your daddy. When you're in 2ndary school you think medicine is great!

When you're in uni you think medicine is hard but still great!!

When you're in medical uni you think medicine is reall hard but still okay and you're doing it for the right reasons (help others)!!!

When you're in residency and training you think when the F am I getting that porsche?

When you're in practice you think god i hate people, when can i pay off my loans and retire?

Originally Posted by freedomist

Thank God your opinion is just yours and that everyone is entitled to one . I have already discussed that in all my essays and they have gotten me very far so far. adcoms like to see people that are driven to make the society a better place, people who have the inner drive to stand up and fight for the neglected. Guess what? I am one of them

It's gotten you far in MPH school.

Originally Posted by TheVillain

So you're not a doctor, but yet you spew your opinions and ideas as an subjective experience. After/If you become a Doc and work in that field for five years than you can tell us about compassion, motivation, and all the other heart-warming qualities a good doctor should posses. As an analogy, many brave, heroic, naive, gullible, and brainwashed men enter war fighting for abstract ideas such as freedom, democracy, security, and other vague expressions. After a few years of unconventional combat, dead friends, and perhaps personal scars, those soldiers understand that war was not what they thought it would be. It's all about experience.

Basically, still a cuddly premed...

Originally Posted by pfaction

How many of those men have experienced war before, and claim to want that experience in even more ways and more depth than previously experienced before? How many of those men willingly take steps to go to war, mortgaging their future on war, and then move away from it? Sure, they understand how war isn't the same post-entrance, but that's what they wanted, isn't it? They got a taste of what war was like, saw the responsibilities soldiers face, and craved it, telling their recruiting interviewer they were hungry for blood. So when the interviewer throws them in the cold ground, are they allowed to have cold feet?

Non-relevant post.

Originally Posted by freedomist

I haven't applied to medical school yet because I am also very interested and passionate about public health. I am getting a master in public health this year before applying to medical school. I ve been able to get in the best schools of public health naming a few Havard, JHU, UNC and I articulated all i ve been saying in my essays.

Did you just name drop?

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

getting in to an MPH program is not at all prognostic for success in medical school. nor are the programs looking for the same things in essays. I have a suspicion that you are telling some fisherman's tales here

I wonder if the OP is george costanza or captain ahab.

Originally Posted by Holy FranZ

lol what a let down.

Tell me about it...

Originally Posted by circulus vitios

The longer you work with people, the more you hate them. Don't believe me? Get a summer job as a cashier or a waitress or a customer service rep.

Bingo.

Originally Posted by Holy FranZ

I agree.

but people treat physicians differently than their waitresses. Things are often quite a bit different when someones health is on the line.

Nowadays, even physicians are deteriorated down to regular people's levels because patients know more than you do, cause they have webmd special powers and the power of google search and google reviews to decimate you.

Originally Posted by TheVillain

http://www.auschwitz.dk/doctors.htm

So much for compassion, and you really think that you are not capable of such acts?

Godwin's law reached

Originally Posted by TheVillain

Now it all makes sense. So I assume as soon as you become a doctor you will join Doctors Without Borders and become the martyr for humanity.

All pre-meds want to do that.

Originally Posted by freedomist

Lmao not at all, am very grateful for the one who cared so much, but had all of them cared initially I would have saved myself a lot of suffering

Caring doesnt cure cancer. If you had a psychiatric problem then I'd say placebo effect would be good but other things, you still need drugs and a diagnosis.

Originally Posted by freedomist

Alright that doctor was just amazingly competent, compassionate, and caring. After all i had been through, he was like a hero to me. I was already very desperate when I met him. He was so interested in everything I do , and I believe doctors need to care that much to get information that could turn out to be very crucial. He talked to me as a friend, he went the extra mile to get as much information about my interests and was so nice. Before he even went further, just his compassion made me feel better. That compassion added to his competence made my experience so memorable. He got to the roots of my condition with so much sympathy and compassion. I wish all doctors could do the same.

Did you end up sleeping with your doctor? I'm not trying to be disrespectful or funny, it' s a serious question.

Originally Posted by SDN9876

I do not accept your apology becuase it was done with post-tense. Meaning that you are apologize only if you offended me. You should apologize because your generalizations are inaccurate and out of line and out of control.

There's nothing wrong with a doctor who's in it for the money (after all, it's a business, not a probono office), as long he treats well. And he doesn't need to be nice. There is too much political correctness. He can be mean and still treat well.

http://www.mizozo.com/weird/11/2009/...tient-fat.html

I expect a retraction of your original half apology and provide me with a new honest full apology. Thank you.

You think this is cute?? I guess you really dont care about engineers.

I know many people missed this, but your post is not real. It is full of sarcasm. I am quite sharp at picking up your attempted wit.

It's not? But I thought all doctors drive porsches and bang supermodels.

I've been duped! If that's the case then why am I toiling long hours? To help people? OH THE HUMANITY. I could have just opened up a used car sales dealership or something.

According to the OP, since you care, you must be a good doctor.

EVERYONE: that's all that matters, Just care. Dont' worry about diagnosing or treating. JUST CARE.

I CARE!

Being a teacher is superduper awesome. Parents blame you if their kids are slow. Kid lie about you to their parents and say you're a bad teacher. Parents blame you if they fail an exam cause you aren't teaching well enough. All kids are smart and all kids deserve to be doctors. Everyone's offspring is god's gift to earth and all should get into ivy league schools.

Yea, teaching sounds like a wonderful job.

But there's no prestige in that. S/he wants the prestige of the MD and the MPH so s/he can spit on us from a "holier than you" pedestal.




I can't see you, you're too high on that pedestal. Where did you go?

Many? So why dont we just get rid of physicians, they're obviously not necessary. Just have nurses around.

Sounds like a grand idea.

That pedestal is growing taller everyday.

Look, I've been in the business for years. I'm old enough to be your daddy. When you're in 2ndary school you think medicine is great!

When you're in uni you think medicine is hard but still great!!

When you're in medical uni you think medicine is reall hard but still okay and you're doing it for the right reasons (help others)!!!

When you're in residency and training you think when the F am I getting that porsche?

When you're in practice you think god i hate people, when can i pay off my loans and retire?

It's gotten you far in MPH school.

Basically, still a cuddly premed...

Non-relevant post.

Did you just name drop?

I wonder if the OP is george costanza or captain ahab.

Tell me about it...

Bingo.

Nowadays, even physicians are deteriorated down to regular people's levels because patients know more than you do, cause they have webmd special powers and the power of google search and google reviews to decimate you.

Godwin's law reached


All pre-meds want to do that.
Caring doesnt cure cancer. If you had a psychiatric problem then I'd say placebo effect would be good but other things, you still need drugs and a diagnosis.


Did you end up sleeping with your doctor? I'm not trying to be disrespectful or funny, it' s a serious question.

You just effectively analyzed the whole thread.

Originally Posted by freedomist

... if you screw up in medicine, you can't get these lives back...

The point is that, they dont care, freedomist. It was striking to me too. Some want to be MDs, yes, with sencere devotion and love of the living. But American culture is so much encouraging "to win", and this "winning" is so much based on money+sex+prestige that, as long as the job is cool, gets them a lot of money and provides sex (because women want the same things: a cool guy with a cool job and earning cool money), the system gets completed!

The education system in US is doing everything it can do, they demand a longer education, majoring in another field, try to make you see what exactly you want to be, extracurriculars, everything, but those kids make a slalom through all those prerequisites and get in a med school still without an MD heart.

I need to see good examples a lot.

Cool story, OP.

Originally Posted by bidiboom

The point is that, they dont care, freedomist. It was striking to me too. Some want to be MDs, yes, with sencere devotion and love of the living. But American culture is so much encouraging "to win", and this "winning" is so much based on money+sex+prestige that, as long as the job is cool, gets them a lot of money and provides sex (because women want the same things: a cool guy with a cool job and earning cool money), the system gets completed!

The education system in US is doing everything it can do, they demand a longer education, majoring in another field, try to make you see what exactly you want to be, extracurriculars, everything, but those kids make a slalom through all those prerequisites and get in a med school still without an MD heart.

I need to see good examples a lot.

If I'm lucky enough to get into medical school and become a doctor, I'll give it everything I've got while I'm "on the clock." When I'm off the clock I'll stop caring. You only live once. Life is too short to spend it worrying about everyone else all the time, so I'm living my life for me. We live in a society that favors individualism. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by circulus vitios

If I'm lucky enough to get into medical school and become a doctor, I'll give it everything I've got while I'm "on the clock." When I'm off the clock I'll stop caring. You only live once. Life is too short to spend it worrying about everyone else all the time, so I'm living my life for me. We live in a society that favors individualism. Deal with it.

My approach is similar too.. to have a heart for your patients doesnt mean to be engaged to them all the time and not to have a life.

But I say something else: I see too many guys that actually dont care humans in general. As long as something wrong doesnt touch them, they just dont care what happens to others. Thats a serious conflict.

Originally Posted by TheVillain

You just effectively analyzed the whole thread.

I think you did even a better job with your smileys

Originally Posted by bidiboom

The point is that, they dont care, freedomist. It was striking to me too. Some want to be MDs, yes, with sencere devotion and love of the living. But American culture is so much encouraging "to win", and this "winning" is so much based on money+sex+prestige that, as long as the job is cool, gets them a lot of money and provides sex (because women want the same things: a cool guy with a cool job and earning cool money), the system gets completed!

The education system in US is doing everything it can do, they demand a longer education, majoring in another field, try to make you see what exactly you want to be, extracurriculars, everything, but those kids make a slalom through all those prerequisites and get in a med school still without an MD heart.

I need to see good examples a lot.

Wait a minute, not a sec or hour, but just a dang god dang minute there s0n.

Bidi, can i call you bidi? After all, we know each other for a while now and I've stood up for you my cute lil bidi. So anyway before i digress you think only american culture is about money and sex? You're kidding me right bidi? Do you know how russian culture is? Do you know how indian culture is? Do you know how culture is in shanghai? Do you know culture in Seoul? Do you know culture in Montreal? do you know culture in London? Or rich arabic countries? Or brazil? Basically every culture is greedy, materialistic, and prestige is important, so let me help you off that pedestal (holds out hand) so you can step down and realize that the rest of the world is the same way. In fact, if anything, americans donate and give back more to the rest of the world (which i'm sure they pillaged from originally) than any other country. So dont tell me americans dont care. Americans care just as much as anyone else.

Actually if any culture is naive to give time and money away it's sometimes americans, not immigrants. Immigrants will nickel dime patients (i've seen it, i've had to deal with immigrants) for even $100 while they are dying of an illness. I can't blame them, that's the brutality of life back home. This is why immigrants are such good business men, they can turn a dunkin donuts around and make huge profits while an american cant.

Immigrants have great work ethic, but dont tell me they are more giving than americans. It's just not the reality of it.

It just happens that when you have mass wealth, you get even more greedy. This is happening in developing cities in the southeast asia region as well, you see the american type of no regard for environment or meaningful things as they amass wealth. So it happens everywhere, not just here or there.

I think Bidi, you should donate 25% of your income after you make money as a doctor. Do you think that is a good idea? I mean you can help a lot of people. Dont buy the porsche, buy a Toyota yaris and donate the rest.

I look forward to your donation because i have asked obama for help.

I am poor and I need help. I am grateful for people so caring like you bidi to help me. Please let me know and you can donate into my paypal account.

Originally Posted by zherussianbear

Cool story, OP.

Should have used a picture

Originally Posted by bidiboom

My approach is similar too.. to have a heart for your patients doesnt mean to be engaged to them all the time and not to have a life.

But I say something else: I see too many guys that actually dont care humans in general. As long as something wrong doesnt touch them, they just dont care what happens to others. Thats a serious conflict.

I know you say something else. But now hear me out Bidi friend, colleague.

All humans are created equal. Are your parents always giving too bidi? or your uncle? or your auntie? Think about what I asked.

Please report back to me immediately with agreement and understanding of human nature. Thank you for your cooperation.

Originally Posted by SDN9876

I do not accept your apology becuase it was done with post-tense. Meaning that you are apologize only if you offended me. You should apologize because your generalizations are inaccurate and out of line and out of control.

There's nothing wrong with a doctor who's in it for the money (after all, it's a business, not a probono office), as long he treats well. And he doesn't need to be nice. There is too much political correctness. He can be mean and still treat well.

http://www.mizozo.com/weird/11/2009/...tient-fat.html

I expect a retraction of your original half apology and provide me with a new honest full apology. Thank you.

You think this is cute?? I guess you really dont care about engineers.

I know many people missed this, but your post is not real. It is full of sarcasm. I am quite sharp at picking up your attempted wit.

It's not? But I thought all doctors drive porsches and bang supermodels.

I've been duped! If that's the case then why am I toiling long hours? To help people? OH THE HUMANITY. I could have just opened up a used car sales dealership or something.

According to the OP, since you care, you must be a good doctor.

EVERYONE: that's all that matters, Just care. Dont' worry about diagnosing or treating. JUST CARE.

I CARE!

Being a teacher is superduper awesome. Parents blame you if their kids are slow. Kid lie about you to their parents and say you're a bad teacher. Parents blame you if they fail an exam cause you aren't teaching well enough. All kids are smart and all kids deserve to be doctors. Everyone's offspring is god's gift to earth and all should get into ivy league schools.

Yea, teaching sounds like a wonderful job.

But there's no prestige in that. S/he wants the prestige of the MD and the MPH so s/he can spit on us from a "holier than you" pedestal.




I can't see you, you're too high on that pedestal. Where did you go?

Many? So why dont we just get rid of physicians, they're obviously not necessary. Just have nurses around.

Sounds like a grand idea.

That pedestal is growing taller everyday.

Look, I've been in the business for years. I'm old enough to be your daddy. When you're in 2ndary school you think medicine is great!

When you're in uni you think medicine is hard but still great!!

When you're in medical uni you think medicine is reall hard but still okay and you're doing it for the right reasons (help others)!!!

When you're in residency and training you think when the F am I getting that porsche?

When you're in practice you think god i hate people, when can i pay off my loans and retire?

It's gotten you far in MPH school.

Basically, still a cuddly premed...

Non-relevant post.

Did you just name drop?

I wonder if the OP is george costanza or captain ahab.

Tell me about it...

Bingo.

Nowadays, even physicians are deteriorated down to regular people's levels because patients know more than you do, cause they have webmd special powers and the power of google search and google reviews to decimate you.

Godwin's law reached


All pre-meds want to do that.
Caring doesnt cure cancer. If you had a psychiatric problem then I'd say placebo effect would be good but other things, you still need drugs and a diagnosis.


Did you end up sleeping with your doctor? I'm not trying to be disrespectful or funny, it' s a serious question.

Im really not sure why you are so bent out of shape over engineers (unless it is sarcasm... but if you stick to it long enough it is harder to tell.....) there are countless other jobs that were also not mentioned. Engineering is great and useful. So are a few dozen dozen other things not included in the OP's OP. Seems like an odd thing to focus on in light of the overall lunacy of the post(s). Its kinda like someone borrowing your car and totaling it and you getting really pissed off that they didnt return it with a full tank. While technically true, it somewhat misses the point

Originally Posted by SDN9876

Being a teacher is superduper awesome. Parents blame you if their kids are slow. Kid lie about you to their parents and say you're a bad teacher. Parents blame you if they fail an exam cause you aren't teaching well enough. All kids are smart and all kids deserve to be doctors. Everyone's offspring is god's gift to earth and all should get into ivy league schools.

Parent accountability is an annoying relevance to the teacher career, yeah. But it's the planning and grading that scares me.

Nowadays, even physicians are deteriorated down to regular people's levels because patients know more than you do, cause they have webmd special powers and the power of google search and google reviews to decimate you.

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